Jordan B. Peterson Explains How to Conquer Fear | The Wim Hof Podcast

Really what you’re doing when you’re training someone to not be afraid,

is that you’re having them practise mastery in the face of threat.

And what they learn is the mastery and then they become more globally confident.

It doesn’t just cure their elevator phobia.

It makes them more courageous.

Ok, so you’re doing this with intent.

And you used a metaphor.

You said “You’re the captain of your ship."

So your advice is that I should focus on the cold.

But also focus on my ability to withstand it.

To practise the mastery.

[Wim Hof] Yes.

Our will is neurology,

And it is connected with the neurology of our body.

And also the rest of our brain.

[Jordan B. Peterson] Well there is a large literature showing that,

If you measure brain activity when someone is accidentally exposed to a stressor,

compared to when they expose themselves voluntarily,

The pattern of neurological activation is profoundly different.

Even though the stressor, you know, hypothetically the objective stressor is the same.