An Honest Talk With Seaspiracy's Ali Tabrizi | The Wim Hof Podcast

There's a concept that I learned while making this film

from some marine biologists and scientists and conservationist.

It's this concept of 'generational amnesia'.

So for you, growing up in

wherever you are in the world, you look around and the amount of trees

and the amount of wildlife and the amount of how clear the ocean is,

is what you base for your for the rest of your life.

As you get older, as you see the diminishment,

you say, "Hey, there used to be all this wildlife."

"And look how much is being destroyed in my lifetime."

But when you look at your grandparents generation, they had a different benchmark.

And so it goes on and we forget what used to be here.

And... When I made this film before this,

I'd never seen pods of dolphins swimming in the ocean. Being free.

I'd only seen dolphins in a tank in a swimming pool in SeaWorld.

And, when I saw them for the first time, you can't help but feel extremely happy.

All your worries are gone.

You're looking at some of the most incredible species leaping out of the ocean.

And I think when you have a diminished environment, a diminished landscape,

a diminished ocean,

It feeds back into something very primordial

within us that is used to that interaction with the natural world.

And all we're left with is these these concrete block towers

and oceans that are now turning brown and green,

and forests that don't have any sound anymore.

You can't hear the songbirds.

I think it's all feeding back into the same concept of a sickness and disease.

And we're like a plant that's been put into really bad soil.

It's just not possible.

So we need to we need to approach

this from from both the inner and the outer dimensions as well.

Exactly.

They saw that if you go into cold water,

which nobody likes because everybody likes comfort zone behavior.

And with depression...

There is a deficit of noradrenaline, and dopamine.

If you go into cold water, that means sort of a sacrifice from yourself.

You got to go out of your normal way of paradigm of thinking and all.

"Ooh, it's cold." Hey, you know what happens?

If you go into cold water, 530 percent of

and noradrenaline spikes, 250 percent of dopamine spikes.

Nobody is talking about that.

And there is a spiritual pandemic of depression going on all over the world.

If everybody just takes a cold shower, I always say it funny...

"Cold shower a day keeps the doctor away."

But there is so much more behind it.

Only I give it by little baby steps until I'm fed up

and I say "Get the fuck out into the cold, man." If you want to feel good,

if you want to feel the way nature meant you to be,

then get into the cold water, because then you're going to be humble

and you're going to feeeeel so good.

And this is what you say about

looking at dolphins out there instead of a tank. Man...

That tank is killing me...

When I see the animal being free and I'm so.

"Wow. Wow."

That that is anti depressive guys.

That's the way nature should be.

So we need to get back into harmony with nature.

But we've got some hurdles to conquer.

In two years billions of people. I'm going to....

That's my goal, because I want to leave the bullshit.

I want to leave the rhetorics and do it.

People are searching for some connection again.

I remember when we were little, you loved to go to the animal zoos

and they're encaged also...

But the feeling you got with seeing these animals

and feeling like a little bit of touch with nature within this whole western...

society where we're stuck away in our houses and outside of nature.

It's a great way... - Exactly!

But there is a middle way somewhere.

Well, they always say, "Hey look at how cruel is to have that orca

or that dolphin in the tank." "Hey they're meant to be swimming

100 miles a day." Look at human beings, right?

We are in our bedrooms or in our offices or in our houses.

We are like the dolphin in the tank for most of our lives.

We're desensitized.

We're constantly stimulated from this blue light, from our laptops and our screens.

We've always got noise going on.

Our phones are going off. We're not going out in nature anymore.

We're not walking, we're not running. We're not in the ocean.

So we should feel just as sorry for ourselves in some ways as the dolphins

and the killer whales, the orcas, except that we do it to ourselves.

The dolphins and the orcas don't put themselves there. We've done that to them.

And I think it's an extension

of wanting to put things in boxes, which humans are really good at doing.