The Science of Setting & Achieving Goals

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- Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast,

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where we discuss science

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and science-based tools for everyday life.

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[upbeat music]

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I'm Andrew Huberman,

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and I'm a Professor of Neurobiology and Ophthalmology

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at Stanford School of Medicine.

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Today, we're talking all about goals

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and the science of goal setting and achieving your goals.

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There's a tremendous amount of information

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on the internet and in books and so forth,

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about how to set goals

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and assess your progress towards goals

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and update your goals and so forth.

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In fact, there are so many programs out there,

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that includes so many different acronyms

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that it can be a little bit overwhelming.

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Today's conversation about goals,

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is going to be quite a bit different.

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Indeed, we are going to talk about setting goals.

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We are also going to talk about how to assess progress

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towards goals.

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And we are going to talk about goal execution.

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However, we're going to do all of this

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in the context of neuroscience,

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because it turns out that there are not hundreds or dozens

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or even several neural circuits in your brain,

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that control goal setting and movement toward your goals.

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There is one

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and while it includes many different brain areas,

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that one circuit is the same circuit,

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that's responsible for pursuing all goals.

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And it relates to some very basic neurochemical mechanisms

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that are understood.

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So while there's a wealth of information out there

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about goals and goal setting

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and goal achievement and so forth,

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there's comparatively little information

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that's been available to the public

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about the neuroscience of goal setting and goal achievement.

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So that's what we're going to focus on today.

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I promise that we're going to get into the neuroscience,

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we're going to touch on a little bit of the psychology

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and how the neuroscience relates to what's known

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in the psychology literature.

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And we are going to establish several, in fact,

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four specific protocols that you can use for goal setting,

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goal assessment and goal execution in an ongoing basis,

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regardless of what your personal goals happen to be.

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Before we dive into our conversation about goals

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and goal setting and goal achievement,

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I'd like to highlight some recent scientific findings,

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that I think are going to be interesting

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and actionable for many of you out there.

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In earlier podcasts, we talked about neuro-plasticity,

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which is the brain's ability to change

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in response to experience.

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In fact, neuroplasticity underlies all forms of learning,

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whether or not it's language learning or learning music

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or math or a physical skill,

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all forms of learning involve the reorganization

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of connections in the nervous system,

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the brain and spinal cord and body.

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One of the key principles of neuroplasticity,

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is this notion of making errors as a good thing

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toward neuroplasticity.

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It is a little bit counterintuitive,

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but what the scientific literature tells us,

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is that whenever we're trying to learn something new,

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if we make an error, we know it feels frustrating,

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but that state of frustration,

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actually queues up particular brain areas to be more alert,

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so that on subsequent attempts to learn that thing,

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we have a heightened level of focus

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and a higher probability of learning the new skill,

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regardless of what that skill is.

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And I've talked about this before in various episodes,

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as encouraging people to embrace errors or pursue errors,

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not as their own end goal,

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but errors as an entry point

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for making the brain more plastic.

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And if you think about it really makes sense,

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why would the brain change at all,

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if it's performing everything perfectly?

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When you make errors, well in the immediate seconds

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and minutes after those errors,

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you are in a better position to learn.

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A common question I get, however, is what should be the rate

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of errors?

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Which is really just a way of saying,

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how hard should the given task be

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that you're trying to learn or perform?

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And it turns out there's an answer.

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There's a recent paper that was published

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in a great journal, "Nature Communications".

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This is a paper, our last author, Jonathan Cohen,

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and the paper is entitled,

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"The Eighty Five Percent Rule for optimal learning".

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This paper, we will make available by a link

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in the show note captions,

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but basically what this paper shows,

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is that when trying to learn something new,

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you want to make the difficulty

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of what you're trying to learn, such that,

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you are getting things right about 85% of the time.

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That you're making errors about 15% of the time.

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And the reason I like this paper,

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is it really points specifically to some protocols

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that we can implement

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because people always say, okay, you want to set a high goal.

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You want to try and achieve something that's really lofty,

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but you don't want to make the goal so lofty

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that you don't make any progress at all.

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Other people say, you really want to start

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with really small goals

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and make things very, very incremental.

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Only set out to do things that you know you can accomplish

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and that will feed back on your self-esteem and all these

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positive feedback loops.

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And then, you know, layer by layer, layer by layer,

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you'll eventually get where you want to go.

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Well, it turns out that neither is true

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you need to set the level of difficulty,

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such that you're making errors about 15% of the time.

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And I want to emphasize about 15% of the time,

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because there's no way to figure protocols for sport

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or language or math or anything else,

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where you're going to have exactly 15% errors.

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So, anyway, this paper, the 85% rule for optimal learning,

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again, we will supply the link,

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but it really points to the idea

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of making things pretty hard,

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but not so hard that you're failing every attempt

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or even half of the attempts.

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Failing about 15% of the time seems optimal for learning.

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Hopefully that information will be useful to any of you

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that are trying to learn something.

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Hopefully it will also be useful to those of you

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that are teaching kids or other adults.

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If you're teaching,

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keep in mind that you want to keep the students reaching

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for higher and higher levels of proficiency

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in whatever that is that you're teaching.

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And that 15% of the time they should be failing,

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if it gets to 20%, that's probably okay.

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If they start failing about half the time,

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then probably what they're trying to learn is too difficult

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for them at that point.

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Now, of course, this is going to be controlled by all sorts

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of external factors,

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like whether or not they slept well the night before,

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whether or not you slept well the night before

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and you're being clear in your instructions

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to them, et cetera.

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But I think the 15% rule as we may call it,

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is a good metric to aim for

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and it can serve both students and teachers.

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In other words, it can serve both those teaching

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and those that are learning.

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Before we begin, I'd like to emphasize that this podcast,

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Let's talk about the science and in particular,

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the biology and neuroscience of setting and achieving goals.

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Setting and achieving goals,

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is not a uniquely human endeavor.

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Other animals set and attempt to achieve goals,

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a honeybee attempts to collect honey

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and bring it back to the hive.

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A herbivore will go out and forage for plants

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and will also have a need to reproduce

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at some point in its life.

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So, will need to find a mate and maybe even raise the young,

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depending on what species that is.

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Predators will have to hunt and kill and eat their food

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and they have to avoid getting injured in that process.

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They also have to raise young, et cetera.

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So humans are among the other animals,

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or we could say the animals are among us

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in the need to set goals

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and to make efforts to achieve those goals.

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Now, why do I emphasize this commonality of process?

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The reason I emphasize this commonality of process,

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is that it turns out that there is one basic system

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by which all animals, including humans,

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set and attempt to achieve goals.

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Now humans are unique in our ability to orient our mind

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toward immediate goals, moderately termed goals,

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meaning things that might exist on the scale of a week

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or a month or even a year

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and very long-term goals, like a lifetime goal

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or a goal that lasts a decade,

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or it takes a decade to achieve.

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That's what makes us unique.

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And of course we don't have access to the mindset

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or the thinking or the emotions of other animals,

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but what we do know is that, common neural circuits,

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meaning brain areas,

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that are present in animal species and in humans,

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are responsible for orienting our thinking and our action

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toward particular goals.

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Another thing that's really unique about the human brain,

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is that we are able to have multiple goals interacting

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at once.

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So, for instance, we probably all have fitness goals,

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goals in relationships of different kinds, friendships,

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and romantic partnerships

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as well as maybe scholastic goals.

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Maybe you're in school

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or you're pursuing some kind of learning outside

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of the school environment

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or indoor, you have business goals or financial goals,

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we are able to have multiple goals at once.

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And other animals do this,

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but humans are unique in the ability

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to juggle a lot of goals.

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And actually one of the major challenges in pursuing goals,

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is that goal pursuit often interacts,

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meaning if you can spend 100%

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of your time chasing one particular goal,

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that might be very effective for that goal,

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but then we tend to fall back on some of our other goals.

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You can imagine how this plays out.

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If you're working very, very hard,

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you're solely focused on business often,

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your health will suffer.

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If you're solely focused on your health often,

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other things will suffer.

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And so we have to juggle both our goal setting

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and our goal pursuits.

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And so today, we're going to talk about a number

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of different ways,

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to work with what could very well be called,

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these interleaving goals,

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by focusing on a common practice or common set of mechanisms

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that are present in all aspects of goal seeking.

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What is that process?

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Well, it turns out, it's a neural circuit.

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A neural circuit, is simply a collection of brain areas,

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that when active in a particular sequence give rise

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to a particular behavior or perception.

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So for instance, when you feel happy,

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it's not because you have a brain area,

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that's the happy brain area, that is electrically active.

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Rather, it's going to involve numerous brain areas,

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being active in concert and to different degrees.

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In the same way, that the keys on a piano, together,

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played in the appropriate sequence,

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represent a particular song.

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You would never say that one key

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on the piano represents that song,

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but that key is necessary.

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Similarly, in the brain,

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we can say that a brain area might be necessary,

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but not sufficient to give us a particular experience

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or generate a particular behavior.

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So when we think about goal seeking and the pursuit of goals

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of any kind in the brain,

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it doesn't matter what the goal is.

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It involves a common set of neural circuits

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and the neural circuit that I'd like to orient us

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toward today.

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And we will return to it a few times,

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involves learning a couple of names,

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but you don't have to worry so much about memorizing these.

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Just more important is to understand the logic

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of how it's put together

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and I will explain that and make it very clear.

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If you want to learn the names, that's great.

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One of the brain areas is the so-called, amygdala.

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The amygdala is most often associated with fear,

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so you might say, wow,

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how is that involved in goal directed behavior?

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Well, a lot of our goal directed behavior,

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is to avoid punishments,

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including things like embarrassment or financial ruin

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or things of that sort.

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And so the amygdala and some sense of anxiety or fear,

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is actually built in to the circuits

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that generate goal seeking

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and our motivation to pursuit goals.

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The other areas are the so-called, ventral striatum.

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The striatum is part of what's called, the basal ganglia.

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The basal ganglia, is a neural circuit,

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that can very simply be described as a neural circuit

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that helps us generate go, meaning the initiation of action

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and no-go, the prevention of action type scenarios.

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Let me make that even simpler.

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The ventral striatum is part of this thing called,

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the basal ganglia.

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The basal ganglia has sort of two circuits within it.

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One circuit is involved in getting us to do things,

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like I'm going to get up tomorrow

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and I'm going to run five miles first thing in the morning.

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I don't know if I'm actually going to do that,

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but I'm just using that as an example.

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Another circuit within the basal ganglia,

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is a no-go circuit, it's the one that says, no,

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I'm not going to go for the second cookie

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or the third cookie.

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I'm not going to eat that.

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And then the go circuit would be the one that's responsible

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for instead eating something else.

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Okay, so we have go and no-go circuits

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within the basal ganglia.

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So we've got amygdala,

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so what you think of as kind of fear and anxiety

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and avoidance.

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We've got, the basal ganglia,

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which are for initiating action and preventing action.

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And then there is the so-called, cortex.

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The cortex is the outer shell of the brain,

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and there are two sub regions of the cortex,

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that are involved in goal-directed behavior.

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One is the lateral prefrontal cortex,

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prefrontal cortex is involved in,

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so-called, executive function, things like planning.

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Thinking about things under different timescales,

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so not just what we want in the immediate term,

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but what we might want tomorrow or the next day

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and how our actions currently are going to relate,

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to the future.

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And the so-called, orbitofrontal cortex,

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orbitofrontal cortex has a large number of functions,

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but one of the key functions of the orbitofrontal cortex,

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it's involved in meshing some emotionality

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with our current state of progress

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and comparing that emotionality to where it might be,

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when we are closer to a goal.

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So, there are basically four areas,

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one involved in anxiety, one involved in emotion,

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one involved in planning

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and another involved in this go, no-go action.

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So that's a bunch of detail,

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but if I wanted to make it really simple for everyone,

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I would say there are four areas.

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One is an area associated with anxiety and fear,

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it's the amygdala.

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The second is involved in action and inaction,

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remember go, and no-go, so that's the basal ganglia.

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The other one is involved in planning and thinking

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across different timescales,

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so that's lateral prefrontal cortex.

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And then the fourth one, is involved in emotionality,

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where we sit emotionally present,

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compared to where we think we will be emotionally,

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when we reach some particular goal

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and that's the orbitofrontal cortex.

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Again, you don't need to know all those names.

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You don't need to know all the details,

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just understand that those different elements are involved

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in the decision-making processes that lead us

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toward particular goals

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and have us update our goal seeking, et cetera.

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One key thing is it doesn't matter what the goal is,

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the same circuits are involved.

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So whether or not you're trying to build a company,

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that's a billion dollar company

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that's going to go public,

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or you're thinking about planning a craft day at home

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with the kids or for yourself,

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or you're thinking about what movie to go see.

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Goals, goal seeking and assessing progress towards goals,

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all involve the exact same neural circuits.

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It's really remarkable.

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It's also very convenient for our discussion today.

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What's going on in these circuits,

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can basically be boiled down to two particular things.

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The first is, value information,

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trying to understand whether or not,

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something is really worth pursuing or not.

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So, placing a value on a particular goal.

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The other component of this neural circuit,

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is associated with action,

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which actions to take and which actions not to take,

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given the value of a particular goal

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in a given moments time.

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I want to say that again.

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The other component of the circuit is involved in action,

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whether or not you should act or should not act,

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based on your assessment of the value of a goal

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at a particular moment in time.

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And you're going to hear me say over and over again,

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in this episode,

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the value information about a goal is so key.

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Here's why, there is basically one neuro-transmitter

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or rather neuromodulator system,

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that governs our goal setting, goal assessment

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and goal pursuit.

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And that is the neuromodulator dopamine.

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Dopamine is the common currency

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by which we assess our progress

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toward particular things of particular value.

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In fact, dopamine, is the way that we assess value

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of our pursuits.

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And so, as we take a moment and we shift our attention,

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to the psychology of goal setting.

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The things that you've probably heard a bit more about,

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about what sorts of goals are good and how to set goals

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and how to categorize goals.

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I want you to think about how dopamine,

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could possibly be involved in these different processes.

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And the reason I want you to do this,

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is that all of the psychology of goal setting

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and goal pursuit, is wonderful

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because it places things into different categories.

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It allows us to parse our thinking

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and organize our thinking.

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But what's not often seen,

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in fact, I'm not aware of any literature out there,

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scientific or literature in the popular press

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or in popular books,

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is an understanding of how the underlying neurobiology,

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can be layered on top of the psychology of goal setting,

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to allow us to set and pursue our goals more effectively.

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And that's what we're going to do today.

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We are eventually going to arrive

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at a set of four practices,

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that when performed on a regular basis,

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will allow you to assess,

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what is the value of this next particular action step?

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How worthwhile is it, to do behavior A versus behavior B

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in order to achieve a particular goal?

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If any of this is vague now,

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I'm going to make it all very clear for you.

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You're going to come away with some very specific lists

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of takeaways that you can put down on paper, if you like.

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And that you can use to set goals, assess goals,

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and execute goals more effectively,

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using the neuroscience of the circuits I just described

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and an understanding of the neuromodulator dopamine.

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Let's take a look at the psychology of goal setting

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and goal pursuit.

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This is an enormous literature,

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meaning there are tens of thousands,

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if not hundreds of thousands of scientific papers

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about the topic of goal setting and goal pursuit.

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There's also a lot of information on the internet

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about goal pursuit.

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And in looking over this information,

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one comes to appreciate pretty quickly,

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that acronyms are a big thing.

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Acronyms, seem to dominate the area of goal setting,

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especially as it relates to things in the business sector,

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but also in the relationship sector.

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Now, acronyms are wonderful,

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they allow us to organize our thinking into less

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and conceptually they can be very useful.

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But as I moved through this literature,

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I started to see some redundant themes.

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And so what I've attempted to do,

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is distill out the redundant themes,

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that regardless of the person teaching

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or the scientific laboratory that happened to come up

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with these acronyms,

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that they boil down to some common features.

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So let's talk about that literature

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and I think we'll come away with an understanding

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of some basic elements that are common to all goals.

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Now, the modern science or the modern psychological science

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of trying to understand goal setting and pursuit,

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actually dates back to the 1930s.

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And we have to be sure that members of our species,

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were focused on goal setting and goal pursuit,

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long before the scientific literature emerged.

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It just stands to reason that,

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since the human brain hasn't evolved that much,

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we don't think, in the last 10,000 years,

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that people would be thinking about these things.

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They just didn't get them down into papers,

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that we could evaluate on PubMed and so forth,

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but now we can,

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so we can look at those papers.

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And what you find is that acronyms are abound

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in the psychology literature

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about goal setting and goal pursuit.

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So for instance, you'll hear about the work

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of Larkin Small, for instance,

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these are the last names of various researchers.

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The so-called, ABC method, that a goal should be achievable,

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it should be believable,

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and that the person be committed.

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It's sort of obvious once you hear about the ABC method.

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Then people came along and expanded on that,

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they talked about the so-called, SMART method.

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SMART being another acronym, that it be specific,

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that the goal be measurable,

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that the goal be attainable,

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that the goal be realistic and that it be time-bound,

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meaning that you set up certain period of time

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in which a given goal should be performed.

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And then people come along and modify these,

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this is the way that psychology research is done.

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I'm not laughing at it.

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I'm just chuckling because,

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it seems like the acronyms get longer and longer and longer.

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They developed the, SMARTER approach,

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adding an ER to the acronym, SMART, S-M-A-R-T-E-R.

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They added ethical and rewarding, which fortunately,

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are good things I believe, ethical and rewarding.

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What does all this mean?

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Well, what it means is that any kind of goal pursuit,

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any kind of goal setting,

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really has to involve a number of different states

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and neural circuits in the brain and body,

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at least that's how I view this literature.

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Why would I do that?

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Well, let's think about the very modern version

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of the kind of acronyms that I talked about a moment ago,

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dating back to the 1930s and extending into the 1990s.

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You can find beautiful talks online

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from people who have worked

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with some of the biggest companies

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and greatest high performers out there,

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to achieve incredible things.

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And they will talk about generating a sort

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of objective mindset for goal setting.

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They'll talk about goals needing to be significant.

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That it has to be a big goal. That it has to be concrete,

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so you have to be able to describe what the goal is.

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It has to be action-oriented,

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has to be inspirational,

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has to be time-bound.

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You have to have reasonable, realistic, verifiable measures.

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You have to constantly up the ante.

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If it's starting to sound repetitive,

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it's because it is repetitive.

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There are basically only three or four elements,

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to goal setting and goal pursuit.

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Basically, an individual or set of individuals,

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has to identify a specific thing

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that they're going to attain.

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In some communities, they talk about,

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knowing what right looks like,

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meaning being able to define a very specific goal.

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You can't just say, I want to be a champion athlete.

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You have to say what sport,

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and you have to understand what the path to that is.

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So any big goal of course,

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is broken up into a series of smaller goals,

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but the whole thing starts with thinking

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about the end in mind.

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And in a few minutes, we will talk about,

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whether or not visualization of the end in mind,

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is actually beneficial or detrimental to achieving goals.

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There's actually great neuroscience and psychology data

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on that now.

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So, I mentioned all these acronyms,

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not as an attempt to disparage them.

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I think they're wonderful.

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And I mentioned all that psychology literature,

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not in an attempt to disparage it,

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but rather just say that, goal setting is the first step,

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assessment of whether or not one is making progress

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towards those goals is the second but necessary step.

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And then there's the business of goal execution.

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And that brings us back to the neural circuit components,

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remember, this neural circuit,

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involving those four things earlier,

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the amygdala, striatum, orbitofrontal cortex

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and the prefrontal cortex.

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They work together,

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to divide the whole process as I mentioned before,

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into two general categories.

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The first is, assessing value,

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knowing whether or not where one is at one given moment,

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relates to some external thing.

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Are things going well or things going poorly?

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And knowing how to gauge that accurately.

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And then, action steps, goes and no goes,

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do more of this, do less of that,

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do this, don't do that, et cetera.

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So, now we are going to shift back to the neuroscience

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and we're going to talk about the practical applications

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of the information I just described.

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Because I've given you a lot

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of kind of academic information.

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And as we do this, I'd like you to keep in mind,

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what are some things that you've either accomplished

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or that you'd like to accomplish going forward?

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Because as we do this,

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we can build toward a set of protocols,

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that at the end, you'll be able to very quickly plug in,

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your particular goals and a route to those particular goals,

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that's grounded in the science.

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That I think are going to be very effective

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in allowing you to reach those goals, more quickly

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and with indeed less effort.

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In fact, let's start with a tool now

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because as we move through all this information,

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I want to make sure that people are coming away

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with some practical things that they can implement.

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And indeed, some things that you can even do

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during the course of listening to or watching this podcast.

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The first thing to do, is to understand the difference

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between peripersonal space and extra personal space.

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Peripersonal space, is all the space, literally,

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that's within inside your body,

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the surface of your skin and in your immediate environment.

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Peripersonal space, is a key concept in neuroscience

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because you have particular neural circuits

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and particular chemicals,

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that are geared toward,

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what are called consummatory behaviors, meaning,

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using things and consuming things and enjoying things,

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that are in your immediate peripersonal space.

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Let me give you an example of this for myself,

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just to make it concrete.

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You can imagine similar examples for yourself right now.

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Within my current peripersonal space, is my interoception,

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my understanding or perception of my internal body.

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So, how quickly I'm breathing, my heart rate,

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the feelings on the surface of my skin, et cetera.

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But also, within the confines of my peripersonal space,

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is this coffee mug,

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that if you're listening to this, you can't see this,

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but I'm lifting up a coffee mug,

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I'm going to take a sip of coffee.

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That's a consummatory behavior, I have the coffee,

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I don't have to do much or motivate much to get it.

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I have other things here, pens and computer, et cetera.

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So things in your peripersonal space

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and consuming those things,

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is generally governed by a set of neurochemicals,

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that center around the neuromodulator serotonin.

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And there are a few others as well,

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things like oxytocin, but mainly serotonin.

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Contrast that, with the so-called, extra personal space.

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Extrapersonal space is everything

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beyond the confines of my reach.

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It would be something in the next room.

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It will be something down the street.

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It will be something at some other location,

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in space and time.

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And the neuromodulators and neurochemicals,

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that are associated with any kind of thinking about,

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anything in the extra personal space,

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are distinct from the neurochemicals and neuromodulators,

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that are involved in thinking about or making actions

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towards the peripersonal space.

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And the molecule that's most associated with thinking about

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or orienting toward the extra personal space,

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again, things beyond the confines of my skin

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or your skin, is dopamine.

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And this is a vitally important concept to understand,

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when you're setting goals and seeking goals.

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If we are to be good at goal seeking,

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if we are to be good at setting goals and assessing goals,

Time: 1987.62

if we are to achieve our goals,

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we have to be able to toggle back and forth

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between a clear understanding of our peripersonal space,

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what we have and how we feel in the immediate present.

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And our ability to understand what's out there

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in the extra personal space

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and our ability to move into that extra personal space.

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And a simple way to conceive of all this,

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is that we evaluate our progress in the peripersonal space.

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We evaluate how we feel, about some pursuit,

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even if we haven't initiated that pursuit yet.

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How we feel about a particular goal,

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is truly a feeling that we experience in the here and now,

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even though the goal is in the future.

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If we are going to evaluate whether or not,

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we made progress today or yesterday or not,

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that's an evaluation of how we feel

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in the immediate peripersonal space.

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However, moving toward any goal,

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involves orienting our thinking

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towards the extra personal space.

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And as we go through today's episode,

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I'm going to teach you a technique

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or rather a neuroscience-based tool,

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that will allow you to continually transition back and forth

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between the peripersonal space and the extra personal space

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in a way that will allow you to update and evaluate

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and better execute your goal seeking.

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The whole principle behind this, is that human beings,

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like other animals, have to make evaluations

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about whether or not they are on the right track.

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However, the important thing to understand,

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is that humans in particular can do this

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over different timescales.

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We don't just pursue food 'cause we are hungry,

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we pursue food, excuse me, for a particular meal,

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that we might be having with people tomorrow.

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We can modulate the timescale

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in a way that other animals don't.

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That's how we adjust our goal seeking,

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to different timescales.

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And in addition to that,

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humans are exquisitely good at biasing our behavior

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toward particular goals over very long periods of time.

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But there are a lot of mistakes out there,

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in fact, things that are outright wrong in the literature

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and in particular, in the internet,

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and then the kind of wellness and fitness

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and cognitive fitness space,

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that send people down the wrong path

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and those things we will talk about in a few minutes.

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But things like visualization, that visualization

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and visualization of this big goal,

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is the best way to achieve your goals.

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In fact, that's not the case,

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there's a much approach to doing all this.

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So now I'd like to shift gears

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towards talking about a few of the things,

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that most people get badly wrong

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in setting and assessing and executing goals.

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This is based on peer reviewed research,

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so I think it's very solid.

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I know it is very solid.

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And it runs counter to what many of us have been taught.

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Let's start with a simple one.

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We've all heard that multitasking is bad.

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We've heard multitasking is bad, it doesn't allow for focus.

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If you want to achieve anything,

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if you want to accomplish anything, you should not multitask.

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Well, it turns out, that's wrong.

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It turns out that there is a role for multitasking,

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but the multitasking has to be placed at a particular time

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within your goal seeking behavior

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in order to be effective.

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Really nice studies done at Carnegie Mellon University,

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and the Davis Lab,

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evaluated how long people are able to focus

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in different environments.

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How long they were able to stay concentrated on their work.

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And it turns out that number is exceedingly low.

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It turns out that most people,

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whether or not they're doing computer work

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or whether or not they're doing writing

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or accounting work or anything of that sort,

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can hold their attention for about three minutes at a time

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before they shift their attention off.

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And that's ridiculously low when you first hear it,

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but, that probably reflects a basic state of brain function.

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That hearkens back to a time when we were hunter gatherers,

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I doubt that we were maintaining focus solidly for hours

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and hours and hours,

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unless we were under some particular threat

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or in some particular crisis.

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Rather, you could imagine that people collected seeds

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and nuts and berries for about three minutes

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and then probably stood up, looked around

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and then kept going.

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Or that they were hunting animals

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or in some sort of pursuit, fishing, et cetera,

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and focused, focused, focused

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and every three minutes or so, they might've looked up

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and, you know, take a look at the sky

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or looked around to make sure that other people were there

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or not there, et cetera.

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It all stands to reason that that will be the case.

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Again, the neural circuits haven't evolved much.

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Now, multitasking, has been shown

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to have a very interesting physiological signature,

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when we multitask,

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when we jump back and forth between things,

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there is an increase in the level of the neurotransmitter,

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also sometimes called a neuromodulator,

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but basically same thing for sake of this discussion.

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There's an increase in the neurotransmitter epinephrine,

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which is adrenaline.

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And so, there are really nice studies now,

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pointing the fact that doing a bit of multitasking prior,

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to jumping into some focused, goal directed behavior,

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whether or not it's mental behavior or physical behavior,

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can actually be useful

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because it gets us into action.

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So we've all been told that multitasking is terrible,

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but if you, for instance,

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find yourself cleaning up your house

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and also checking your phone and doing a number of things,

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right at the point where you should be sitting down to write

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or do some focused work.

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It probably reflects some adaptive mechanism,

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where you use action and somewhat varied multitasking action

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in order to generate adrenaline in your system,

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because adrenaline just gets you in the action.

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Now, that's great,

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but, you don't want to multitask

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throughout any kind of goal seeking

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or goal pursuit behavior.

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Because, what's also very clear

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and we're going to talk about this in exquisite depth today,

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is that visual focus

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and in particular contracting your visual window,

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bringing the aperture of what you see, to a very fine point,

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can absolutely increase your clarity of goal seeking

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and the likelihood that you will pursue your goals.

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I've talked about this a little bit before on the podcast

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as a way of increasing focus for any kind of pursuit.

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I've talked about a practice,

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whereby you can literally look at a dot or a line,

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placed on a wall or on your computer in front of you

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for 30 to 60 seconds,

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and then moving into some dedicated work,

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where you need to focus.

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And indeed, just looking at a narrow piece

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of the visual world, a small piece of the visual world

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for some period of time

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and forcing yourself to hold that gaze on that location

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as best you can,

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can increase your level of cognitive attention

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and your ability to focus and stay focused.

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And this is not magic.

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It is the consequence of the fact,

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that most of your cognition follows your visual perception.

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For those of you that are low vision or no vision,

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meaning you're blind, or you have trouble seeing,

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my lab does a lot of work with people,

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who are low vision, no vision.

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They tend to use their auditory system, their hearing,

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as a way to anchor their attention to particular things.

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But most people out there can see and see pretty well

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and visual focus is the way to do that.

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Now, earlier, we were talking about this notion

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of peripersonal space versus extra personal space.

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And I'm just going to seed a little bit

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of the later conversation by saying,

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that when we focus on an external point.

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We are in a process of exteroception,

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is the focus on the extra personal space,

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not the peripersonal space.

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So when we focus on something, say a line on the wall

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for 30 to 60 seconds or at our computer

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for 30 to 60 seconds and just look at it

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and then move into any kind of action,

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whether or not it's work action or physical action.

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We are at its very core.

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We are engaging in this pursuit of extra personal space.

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We are placing our focus outside our body

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and therefore we are placing the brain

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into goal pursuit mode.

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Work at NYU, in particular, in the laboratory

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of a phenomenal researcher in their Psychology Department,

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by the name of Emily Balcetis, B-A-L-C-E-T-I-S.

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Emily Balcetis, has done really nice work on this.

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They've done is, they've had,

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people focus their visual attention

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on a goal line of some sort

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and then to engage in some sort of behavior,

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that requires a lot of effort.

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And they've done a lot of different experiments like this,

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but I'll just explain one.

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They always include a control group,

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where people have to go through the same physical effort

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or mental effort,

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but they don't focus their attention just on one location.

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The long and short of these studies is that,

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when people have to focus their attention on one location,

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like a goal line,

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they are much more effective in reaching those goals

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and they achieve them with the perception,

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that they expended less effort.

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I'll give you an example of one particularly nice study

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from the Balcetis Lab.

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So this particular study involves, physical exercise.

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Although, as I mentioned before,

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they've done similar studies looking at cognitive type work.

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And what they did is they had a group of people,

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exercise, wearing 15 pound ankle weights,

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and they had to basically move a certain distance

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or run a certain distance to reach a goal line.

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One group was focused on the goal line,

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visually focused, on the goal line.

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The other group was not told to visually focus

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on the goal line.

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And what they found, was that the group that focused

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on the goal line, was able to achieve reaching that goal

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with 17% less effort.

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They measured effort and they got there 23% quicker.

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That's a remarkable difference.

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So same distance traveled, with same workload

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because everyone's wearing the same 15 pound weights

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on their ankles.

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One group is simply looking at the goal line,

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the other group is not told to look at the goal line,

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simply by looking at the goal line,

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does something to the psychology

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and end physiology of these people,

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that allows them to move forward

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with less perceived effort and to do it more quickly.

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That's remarkable.

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And in this case, they're focused on the goal line,

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but in a few moments,

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we'll talk about how one can use updating of goal line,

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so incremental goal line.

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Starting with an intermediate goal,

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and then extending the goal line further and further.

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But just sit back for a second and think about that,

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just by changing where a person looks,

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they changed their perceived effort

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and their ability to do something, more effectively,

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more quickly, than a group that is not deliberately focusing

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their visual attention on one location.

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That's incredible.

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And it's so incredible, in fact, you might say,

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well, how could that possibly be?

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Well, it turns out, it has a very specific,

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underlying physiological reason

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and that has to do with changes

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in our so-called, autonomic nervous system.

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The aspects of our nervous system,

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that prepare us for readiness and action,

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or that prepare us for resting and relaxing.

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So what is special about focusing one's visual attention

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at a given location?

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Well, it turns out that we have two branches

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of our visual system.

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So visual information all comes in through our eyes,

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but then it can head down two different pathways.

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One pathway is engaged when our vision is brought

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to a common point,

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what we call, a vergence eye movement.

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So if we're focusing very intensely on a given point,

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regardless of how far away from us that point is,

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our visual system engages a certain set of neurons,

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neural circuits that are involved in resolving fine detail

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and that can evaluate small changes

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over small periods of time.

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Just think of it as a very detailed camera

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of the visual world.

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It tends to be very restricted.

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The other pathway through the visual system,

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is the so-called, magnocellular pathway.

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And this is a pathway that's involved

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in taking in global information about lots of things,

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that are happening around us.

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Movement of things to our right,

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movement of things to our left,

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things are happening down on the ground and all around us.

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And that pathway involves a sort of relaxation, if you will,

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of the neural circuits that are associated

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with alertness and attention.

Time: 2692.95

When you walk down the street

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and you're not thinking about much,

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provided you're not looking at your phone,

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you're not focusing on one location,

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you're more or less in a relaxed state,

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compared to when you're looking for a particular sign,

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you're looking for a bus or a train that's coming,

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or a particular person.

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And that should inherently make sense,

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when your level of attention and alertness goes up,

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there's sort of a small,

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but perceptible increase in your level of arousal.

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It's not really stress necessarily,

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but arousal of alertness.

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And it turns out that the visual system,

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accomplishes this increase in alertness by communicating

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with your circulatory system

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and the system that delivers blood and nutrients

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and oxygen to the rest of the tissues in your body.

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So let's talk for a second about what focusing our vision

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on a particular location does

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because in this study from the Balcetis Lab,

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what they found was, focusing on a goal line allows people,

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to move more effectively toward that goal.

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This is something you can leverage in all aspects

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of all goal pursuits.

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What happens when we focus on a particular location?

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Believe it or not,

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there's an increase in a particular feature

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of our blood pressure.

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Now your body has, of course, arteries,

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veins and capillaries,

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and your heart pumps blood, first to the arteries,

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and then to the other components of your vascular system.

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And we have so-called, blood pressure.

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Blood pressure is just how much,

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the fluid volume is pressing on those arteries,

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veins and capillaries.

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So you can imagine a pipe with very little fluid moving

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through it, that's low pressure.

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You have a pipe with a lot of fluid moving through it,

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that's even more pressure.

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You have a pipe with a lot of very viscous, meaning,

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very kind of sticky, thick stuff, moving forward,

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that's even more pressure.

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We have blood pressure

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and you've probably had your blood pressure measured.

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There's always two numbers.

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You have a top number, which is the systolic blood pressure.

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And then there's the bottom number, below the line,

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which is the diastolic pressure.

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So the important thing to understand,

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is that your blood pressure will rise when your heart beats,

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because there's more fluid moving through those pipes

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that are your arteries or veins and your capillaries.

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And that top number is called the systole

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or the systolic blood pressure,

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because that's the pressure at the time,

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when your heart contracts.

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So the top number, which normally,

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if you have a healthy blood pressure,

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is somewhere in the range of 90 to 120 millimeters

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of mercury. Millimeters of mercury is just the way,

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that pressure is measured.

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That top number, your systole,

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or your systolic blood pressure,

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is what's measured when the heart contracts.

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So, that's the amount of pressure when there's a heartbeat

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and it's moving through your vasculature.

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Now, between beats, the heartbeats, but then it relaxes,

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your blood pressure is going to drop to a lower value

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because fluid isn't being pumped through the system

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at those moments.

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And that's the bottom, the diastolic pressure.

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And typically for healthy people,

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that's going to be 60 to 80 millimeters of mercury.

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So you might hear about a normal blood pressure being about,

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again, this is an approximate, 120 over 80.

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What that means is,

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at the point where blood was being pumped through there,

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your arteries and veins, boom,

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that it's 120 millimeters of mercury,

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but then, when the heart relaxes for a second

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before the next beat, then it drops to 80.

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So there's high pressure, low pressure,

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high pressure, low pressure.

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The fluid is being pumped through the system.

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Now, why am I telling you all this?

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Well, it turns out, that there are neural circuits

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that link your visual system

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and focusing on a particular point with that top number,

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the systolic blood pressure.

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And when you focus your eyes on a particular location,

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that systolic blood pressure goes up,

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and there are some other systems

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that are coordinated with it in your brain and body,

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that start releasing adrenaline,

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low amounts of adrenaline in most cases.

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And that adrenaline, further readies your body for action.

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So, bringing our visual focus to a particular location,

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does a number of things to the brain

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and the whole system of the body, to prepare it,

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to place it into a state of readiness

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that makes us more likely to lean into our goals

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into action. And if we step back and think about this,

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this makes perfect sense.

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The brain and body need to be coordinated.

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We can't just think about a goal.

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In fact, a deer or a lion, can't just think about a goal.

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It has to think about a goal and then has to feel some sort

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of activation energy,

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some willingness or desire to move forward

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in pursuit of that goal.

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So imagining a goal, has to be coupled

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to the physical pursuit of the goal.

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So our visual system in a beautiful way,

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brings together a focus, literally,

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a visual focus on a particular point outside us.

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Then it recruits an increase in systolic blood pressure,

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which creates a systemic, a body-wide

Time: 2968.13

and brain-wide increase in fuel utilization,

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in oxygen availability,

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in our willingness to move forward as a body,

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as a whole coherent system.

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And then there are also neurotransmitter systems,

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like epinephrine, as we will soon see dopamine,

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that get recruited as well

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to place us into a continual mode of action.

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This to me is a remarkable feature of our physiology

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and it gets right to the point

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of some of the psychological phenomenon

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that we were talking about earlier.

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Let's just recall what some of those are.

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I won't list them all,

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but, a goal has to be significant, they say.

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All the psychologists, all the popular stuff online says,

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it has to be significant,

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has to be inspirational

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and has to be action oriented.

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So let's say you look out into the landscape

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of what's available to you,

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whether or not it's just in your mind,

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or you look at a specific point, you say,

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I want to go to that particular restaurant,

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to eat that particular food.

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And you orient towards it and you move towards it.

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This is the way that your brain and body,

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are coordinating their actions together.

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Conversely, when our visual system,

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is in a mode of looking at everything.

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When the aperture of our visual system is very broad,

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we know that there's also a reduction

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in our goal directed behavior

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and a reduction in the systolic blood pressure.

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It's as if our peripersonal space is sufficient,

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we don't need to get beyond our current state.

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We're not oriented toward any one thing in particular.

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So I've now described some of the psychology

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and some of the underlying physiology.

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Now, I'd like to mesh this within the context

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of actual specific goal setting and goal pursuit.

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Because what many of you are probably thinking is,

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well, that's some physiology, there's some psychology,

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but how do you actually apply this

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towards setting and achieving goals?

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Well, you do that, by understanding that your mental frame

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and your attention are always either positioned,

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to your peripersonal space,

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focused on your immediate possessions and state,

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or towards things outside you.

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But then you also have the ability,

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to dynamically travel back and forth between those.

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And so next, we're going to talk about,

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what the literature says about things like visualization,

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immediate and intermediate goals,

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long-term goals and how to best achieve those.

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And then we're going to move specifically

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into the protocols that you can use.

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It's a protocol that I've specifically developed

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for you, the listeners,

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in order to incorporate all the signs into a best practice,

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that you can do any time, any place,

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to really identify what it is specifically,

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that you want to pursue

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and the best route to pursue and achieve that goal.

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Focusing our visual attention on one particular point,

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is incredibly effective for all types of goal pursuit.

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And if you'd like to read some of the scientific studies

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or read a review of the scientific studies,

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that have looked at how, narrowing one's visual attention,

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can really enhance the effectiveness of pursuing goals,

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I'll put a link to this study.

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The title of the study is, keeping the goal in sight,

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testing the influence of narrowed visual attention

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on physical activity.

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And this is a paper from Emily Balcetis's Lab,

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focuses mainly on physical activities,

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but it mentioned some other things as well.

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This is an article published in

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Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin in 2020,

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so it's recent.

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It's an exceptional paper in my opinion,

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really gets to the heart of how all this works

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and some of the examples of where it's been implemented.

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So let's apply this visual tool, in a very simple way,

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to any type of goal that you want to pursue.

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If you already know what goal you want to pursue,

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maybe it's a workout,

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maybe it's a cognitive work of some particular sort.

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Again, the process is very simple.

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You're going to focus your visual attention on one point

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beyond your peripersonal space,

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so it could be on your computer. It could be on the wall,

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it could be a horizon.

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It could be at a distance

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and you're going to focus your visual attention there.

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And with some effort you're going to hold your visual attention

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for 30 to 60 seconds, you might blink, that's okay,

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but you're going to try

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and hold your visual attention there.

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So no moving your head around.

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No diverting your attention to other locations.

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Some people will find it very easy to do.

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Other people will find it quite hard.

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Your mind may drift cognitively, that's okay,

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but try and bring your visual attention

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to that common point.

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Several episodes ago, I talked about how,

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there are actually studies looking at developing this kind

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of training in students, for ADHD

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and the data on that are actually quite encouraging.

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So for people who have ADHD

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and focus issues and attentional issues,

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this can be effective.

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For people who don't, this can also be effective.

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Again, it places your brain and body

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into a state of readiness

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and then the idea is to move into the particular actions,

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that bring you closer to your goal.

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We haven't yet talked about how to set goals

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and how to assess progress.

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This is simply how to pursue goals.

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But the visual component is important,

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in fact, I would argue that the visual system

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and harnessing your visual attention to a narrow point,

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is going to be the most effective way,

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to get your brain and body into a mode of action,

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to pursue whatever goal it is you're trying to pursue.

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That practice is in stark contrast to multitasking,

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where by definition your attention is moving

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from place to place to place.

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I mentioned that multitasking can be effective

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in getting your system into somewhat

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of an increased level of activation,

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so that you can pursue a more focused goal.

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But the visual attention to a particular point,

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is going to be the most effective way to bring your system

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into a state of readiness and action for goal pursuit.

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There's another really interesting way,

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that you can leverage your visual system

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toward long-term goals.

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The Balcetis Lab has also done,

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some really interesting experiments,

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looking at people's ability to set

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and stick to long-term goals.

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And the long-term goal that they looked at,

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was one related to saving money for later in life.

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This is something that a lot of people struggle with,

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a lot of people have a hard time investing money

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or saving money for later in life.

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Simply because as human beings,

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we vary in the extent to which we worry

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about what's going to happen later.

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There's also a phenomenon of so-called, delay discounting.

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Delay discounting, is the fact that goals,

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become less rewarding when they exist further out

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in the future.

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You may have experienced this walking past a donut shop.

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I love donuts

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I'm just going to admit it, over and over again on the spot.

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I love the smell of them. I love the taste of them.

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I try to eat them

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'cause I'm told they're not that good for me

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and indeed, I don't think they are.

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I occasionally cave and I'll eat one or many.

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But in general,

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I try not to cave to the immediately rewarding properties

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of the smell and the taste of the donut.

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But, what we know is that if you smell a donut

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or you smell a wonderful piece of food,

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in the immediate term, it brings your level of focus,

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your mental focus to the immediate phase.

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And it feels very rewarding,

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like if you had it now, it would just be so good.

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But if you actually extend that reward out to tomorrow

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or the next thing you think,

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today happens to be a Saturday, that we're recording,

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but, on Tuesday morning, I'm going to get a donut.

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It doesn't have the same value because the reward system,

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doesn't work as well for long-term goals.

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It's not as salient.

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It's not as tangible, a goal,

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especially for something like a donut.

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Whereas the kinds of goals that work,

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when you place them out to the longer term

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and can create a heightened sense of motivation,

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tend to be things that are much more rewarding to us.

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So delay discounting simply says that,

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the further out in time that a given goal is,

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the less effective that reward will be

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in motivating one's behavior.

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And indeed you see this with saving money for retirement,

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you see this with all sorts of long-term investment,

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The Balcetis Lab, therefore did an experiment,

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where they looked at people's tendency

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to save money for later in life.

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But the groups that they created in this study,

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were really interesting.

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They had one group,

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imagine, what it would be like to be 30 or 40 years older.

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And then to invest a certain amount of money,

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according to whatever it is they thought

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that they would need.

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And they measured the amount

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that they had set aside and saved

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for later in life.

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The other group, actually viewed photos of themselves,

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so picture, images of themselves

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that were artificially, digitally aged,

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so that they could see themselves 30 or 40 years

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into the future.

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And it turns out

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that people in that second group,

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simply by perceiving their own image, in the future,

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invested far more money into later life.

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They set aside more money.

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Somehow it bridged the gap

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between their immediate experience of life

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and the longer arc

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toward what it was going to be like in 30 or 40 years.

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So very powerful result in my opinion,

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because what it says again,

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is that our visual perception of the future

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or our visual perception of the present,

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is what allows us to anchor our goal directed systems

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and our motivation to take on things

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that in the immediate term might not seem that useful.

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So, you can imagine all sorts of variations on this.

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You can imagine that every time I want a donut,

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I'd see a vision of myself

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or an actual physical picture of myself

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as a consequence of having eaten many donuts every day

Time: 3497.07

for the next 10 years.

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I don't know what that image would look like

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'cause I've never seen it.

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That's not an experiment

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that I necessarily need to do

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because I'm not that motivated to eat donuts,

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but I have to confess, I am somebody

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who I think I'm pretty good at managing resources.

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But I think if I were to see an image of myself at 70 or 75,

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there's so many things

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that are associated with visual images.

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Like what our body must feel like,

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what our needs are probably going to be like

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in that state or in that age.

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What sorts of things we may

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or may not still be able to do at that age.

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And that anchors back

Time: 3529.12

to immediate goal-directed behaviors,

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such as setting aside money for retirement.

Time: 3532.86

Such as investing in one's health practices.

Time: 3536.419

And indeed there's a study

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that has looked at how people will invest

Time: 3539.16

in exercise and healthy eating.

Time: 3542.04

If they just think about the future

Time: 3544.27

and what they might be like in the future

Time: 3546.74

versus seeing images of themselves in the future,

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if they were to go down a healthy or unhealthy route.

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So again, the point is

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that the visual system, what we see,

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is principally important

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in defining what we do in the immediate term.

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Even if what we see relates to something

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in the far off distance.

Time: 3564.61

I think these are phenomenal studies

Time: 3566.12

and they get right down to an important issue

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that's been kicked around

Time: 3569.27

over and over in the literature

Time: 3571.38

and in the discussion about goal seeking,

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which is visualization.

Time: 3574.47

We here keep the big goal in mind,

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focus on the big goal.

Time: 3578.43

So now we're going to address,

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what does the science say

Time: 3580.8

about visualizing big goals?

Time: 3583.53

If you're somebody who's interested in business,

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or let's say you're focused on relationship,

Time: 3587.55

is thinking about the perfect relationship

Time: 3589.9

and what that would look like

Time: 3590.99

and the family that you would have

Time: 3592.73

and where you would live.

Time: 3593.64

Is that effective in generating the kinds

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of behaviors that will lead you to that?

Time: 3597.51

Is it effective to think

Time: 3598.67

about the big win at the end?

Time: 3600.77

Well, it turns out it is,

Time: 3602.65

but you have to be very, very careful

Time: 3604.29

with when and how you implement that visualization.

Time: 3607.06

'Cause if you do it correctly,

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it can really serve your goal seeking well.

Time: 3610.71

And if you do it incorrectly,

Time: 3612.18

it can undermine the entire process.

Time: 3614.57

So, does visualization work?

Time: 3617.09

Well, turns out,

Time: 3618.53

that visualization of the big win, the end goal.

Time: 3622.01

So the Superbowl win

Time: 3623.523

or eight gold medals in the Olympics

Time: 3626.52

or graduation from the university of your choice

Time: 3630.06

or making a certain amount of money

Time: 3631.44

or finding the partner of your choice, et cetera.

Time: 3634.75

That visualization is effective

Time: 3637.12

in getting the goal pursuit process started,

Time: 3640.4

but it actually is a pretty lousy

Time: 3642.72

and maybe even counterproductive way

Time: 3644.81

of maintaining pursuit of that goal.

Time: 3648.08

Meaning continuing to engage the sort of actions

Time: 3651.33

that are going to get you to eventually achieve that goal.

Time: 3654.22

I think this is going to be surprising to people, at first,

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but if we think back to our discussion

Time: 3660.17

about the physiology of the blood pressure system,

Time: 3663.18

it'll make sense.

Time: 3667.04

Good scientific studies have been done

Time: 3668.727

where people are told to imagine,

Time: 3671.84

or even script out

Time: 3673.2

their long-term vision and goal for themselves.

Time: 3675.48

What is the big goal?

Time: 3676.857

And they're talked to,

Time: 3678.28

or told to imagine it with a rich amount of detail.

Time: 3681.3

To think about how it's going to feel

Time: 3682.53

in their body and the big win.

Time: 3684.2

And basically what happens is,

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if you measure people's blood pressure

Time: 3687.27

or other metrics of physiology,

Time: 3689.02

you see an increase in that systolic blood pressure.

Time: 3691.39

There's an kind of a ramping up of the readiness

Time: 3694.235

and excitement for that goal,

Time: 3696.94

but that increase in blood pressure quickly wanes.

Time: 3700.14

And over time,

Time: 3701.58

that visual of the long-term goal,

Time: 3703.82

becomes a poor thing

Time: 3705.73

to rely on in order to generate the actions

Time: 3709.369

that are required to reach that goal.

Time: 3712.12

In fact, there's a much better way

Time: 3714.28

to maintain ongoing action toward a goal

Time: 3717.73

that also involves visualization,

Time: 3720.15

but it turns out it's not about visualizing success.

Time: 3723.56

It's about visualizing failure.

Time: 3725.7

The Balcetis Lab and other labs

Time: 3728.05

have looked at whether or not people make progress

Time: 3730.85

toward goals of different types.

Time: 3733.27

Whether or not they're thinking about the goal.

Time: 3736.06

They're thinking about that goal line

Time: 3737.38

and what they want to achieve,

Time: 3738.77

that long-term goal

Time: 3739.78

and all the wonderful things associated with it,

Time: 3741.96

or whether or not they're thinking

Time: 3743.27

about all the ways in which they could fail,

Time: 3745.113

en route to that goal.

Time: 3747.302

This is not typically what we are encouraged to do.

Time: 3750.63

Typically, we are told don't imagine failure,

Time: 3752.9

push failure out of your mind,

Time: 3754.32

only focus on success.

Time: 3756.23

Fake it till you make it,

Time: 3757.34

or is a phrase that I absolutely hate, frankly,

Time: 3759.65

because it's not even clear what that means.

Time: 3761.46

And it's not even clear

Time: 3762.49

what the ethical form of that is.

Time: 3764.17

I think it means continue despite any anxiety

Time: 3766.99

or fear that things won't work out.

Time: 3768.72

But if you look at the literature,

Time: 3770.59

the scientific literature,

Time: 3772.26

what the Balcetis Lab and other labs have shown,

Time: 3774.21

is that there's a near doubling, near doubling

Time: 3777.76

in the probability of reaching one's goal,

Time: 3780.83

if you focus routinely on foreshadowing failure.

Time: 3786.35

You think about the ways in which things could fail,

Time: 3789.25

if you take action A or you take action B

Time: 3792.31

and instead, therefore, you take action C.

Time: 3794.5

You're supposed to think

Time: 3795.333

about how things could fail,

Time: 3796.81

if you don't get up and run each morning,

Time: 3799.04

if your goal is, say a fitness goal.

Time: 3800.74

So let's use that as an example,

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because even though I realized,

Time: 3804.03

people are in pursuit of many things, not just fitness.

Time: 3805.869

Fitness goals and physical goals are a very concrete thing

Time: 3809.43

that we can all get on the same page about

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'cause they're related to actions.

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Let's say, somebody sets a goal

Time: 3816.61

of running five miles, four times a week, minimum,

Time: 3820.32

and as many as seven, four times a week, minimum

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before 8:00 AM.

Time: 3823.66

In a previous podcast on habits,

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I talked about the benefits

Time: 3826.41

of not necessarily setting specific times

Time: 3828.282

that one will do things,

Time: 3829.39

but setting time blocks

Time: 3830.69

that one we'll do things.

Time: 3831.523

So you say before 8:00 AM,

Time: 3832.51

you're going to run five miles

Time: 3834.33

and that's going to happen up to seven days a week.

Time: 3838.46

One version of this would be,

Time: 3839.71

okay, sit back in a chair

Time: 3840.95

and think about how great you're going to feel and look,

Time: 3843.77

if you're doing this every day.

Time: 3844.83

How your health is going to improve.

Time: 3846.33

How everything's going to be,

Time: 3847.163

your blood markers, of lipids, et cetera,

Time: 3848.83

are going to improve, okay, fine.

Time: 3850.46

That's the visualization goal

Time: 3852.359

of visualizing the end point.

Time: 3854.87

It turns out that is far less effective

Time: 3856.79

and maybe even counterproductive,

Time: 3858.49

compared to thinking about what's going to happen,

Time: 3860.99

if you don't do this.

Time: 3862.76

The negative health outcomes that are going to occur,

Time: 3865.06

the disappointment you're going to have in yourself.

Time: 3867.01

The fact that you're going to wait until 7.30,

Time: 3869.41

that's not long enough

Time: 3870.33

for many people to run five miles.

Time: 3872.17

You got to put on your shoes as there could be pouring rain

Time: 3874.965

or even hailing or snowing, outside.

Time: 3875.798

And now you're not going outside unless you're somebody

Time: 3877.56

who's particularly motivated to do that.

Time: 3880.3

So, foreshadowing failure turns out

Time: 3882.87

to be the best way to motivate toward goal pursuit.

Time: 3885.47

In fact, as I mentioned before,

Time: 3886.92

there's a near doubling in the likelihood

Time: 3888.67

that people will reach goals of any kind.

Time: 3890.72

When they're constantly thinking

Time: 3891.89

about how bad it's going to be, if they fail.

Time: 3894.5

If we think back to the neural circuit associated

Time: 3897.72

with assessing value in our goal pursuits,

Time: 3901.09

this makes perfect sense.

Time: 3902.1

The amygdala, that center of the brain

Time: 3903.83

that's involved in anxiety and fear and worry.

Time: 3906.33

Well, the amygdala, is one of the four core components

Time: 3909.4

of our goal setting and goal pursuit circuitry.

Time: 3912.58

And there's no bypassing that.

Time: 3914.13

there is no one listening to this

Time: 3915.75

or watching this who's amygdala is not involved

Time: 3918.5

in their goal setting and goal pursuit behavior.

Time: 3921.24

And so, while I'd love to be able to tell you

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that all you should think about is rainbows and puppies

Time: 3925.88

and all the wonderful, rewarding things

Time: 3927.343

that are going to happen when you achieve your goals.

Time: 3930.43

The truth is, you should be thinking mainly

Time: 3932.76

about how bad it's really going to get,

Time: 3935.2

if you don't do it.

Time: 3936.033

How disappointed in yourself, you're going to feel.

Time: 3937.87

How it will negatively impact you,

Time: 3940.45

if not in the immediate term, in the long-term,

Time: 3942.56

if indeed your goal is to reach your goal.

Time: 3945.03

So, I want to emphasize

Time: 3947.21

that I'm not interested in encouraging people

Time: 3949.41

to flagellate themselves.

Time: 3950.58

I'm encouraging people to achieve their goals.

Time: 3954.31

And it turns out the best way to do that,

Time: 3955.81

is by foreshadowing failure.

Time: 3957.56

And the more specific you can get

Time: 3960.01

by writing down or thinking about

Time: 3961.47

or talking about,

Time: 3962.53

how bad it will be if you don't achieve your goals,

Time: 3964.81

the more likely you are to achieve those goals.

Time: 3967.77

Part of the reason for that

Time: 3969.432

almost certainly has to do with increases

Time: 3971.82

in systolic blood pressure

Time: 3973.13

and increases in readiness in your system,

Time: 3975.73

when you imagine failure.

Time: 3976.95

The brain and body are much better

Time: 3979.94

at moving away from fearful things

Time: 3982.09

than towards things we want.

Time: 3983.4

I wish I could tell you that wasn't the case,

Time: 3984.94

but there is a true asymmetry

Time: 3986.71

in the way we are built.

Time: 3987.96

In fact, the brain and body can engage

Time: 3990.3

in what's called, one trial learning.

Time: 3991.68

When something bad happens,

Time: 3992.96

we eat a food that makes us sick.

Time: 3994.27

We have an interaction with a person or place

Time: 3996.06

that we really don't like.

Time: 3997.46

It only takes one trial to really...

Time: 3999.38

One event, one time to reorient

Time: 4002.47

or rewire our neural circuitry,

Time: 4003.84

so that we have a bias toward moving away

Time: 4005.41

from that thing in the future.

Time: 4006.81

When things go well, unfortunately,

Time: 4009.3

that doesn't often occur.

Time: 4010.34

If things go really, really well,

Time: 4011.85

it might orient our brain and body

Time: 4013.26

toward wanting more of that thing.

Time: 4014.54

And we'll have neural circuitry changes

Time: 4016.21

that will lead us to engage

Time: 4017.52

in that particular behavior or interaction again,

Time: 4020.15

but it is never as effective

Time: 4021.575

as these avoidance circuits.

Time: 4024.33

So again, foreshadow failure,

Time: 4026.01

if you're going to visualize in a positive way,

Time: 4028.47

do that at the very beginning of some goal pursuit.

Time: 4030.64

Maybe intermittently every once in a while,

Time: 4032.44

you imagine the big win

Time: 4033.99

of scoring perfect on exam

Time: 4035.96

or winning the championship or the great relationship.

Time: 4038.12

But most of the time,

Time: 4039.37

if you want to be effective,

Time: 4040.44

you should be focusing on avoiding failure

Time: 4042.53

and you should be really clear

Time: 4043.51

about what those failures would look like

Time: 4045.05

and feel like.

Time: 4045.91

Now, let's talk about goal setting.

Time: 4048.21

Going back to that prominent literature,

Time: 4050.12

the psychology and popular literature,

Time: 4051.75

again, we can hear some of these themes start to emerge.

Time: 4055.319

The goal should be significant, we are told.

Time: 4058.67

It should be inspirational.

Time: 4060.55

It should be aggressive, yet realistic.

Time: 4063.28

Well, okay, that's all fine and good,

Time: 4065.63

but let's get semi quantitative about this.

Time: 4067.96

Let's at least get biological about this.

Time: 4070.28

How inspirational does it need to be?

Time: 4071.833

Does it need to be the kind of thing

Time: 4073.13

that is so inspiring to me

Time: 4074.84

that I can't sleep at all?

Time: 4075.85

Well, that wouldn't be good

Time: 4076.683

because as I believe and I know,

Time: 4079.16

many of you have heard me say many, many times before,

Time: 4081.51

regular deep sleep, 80% or more of the nights

Time: 4084.61

that you go to sleep,

Time: 4085.443

is going to be crucial to your cognitive

Time: 4086.67

and mental functioning and your ability

Time: 4088.01

to achieve your goals in the long-term.

Time: 4089.77

That's absolutely clear.

Time: 4091.15

So, it's got to be, inspirational and exciting,

Time: 4093.69

but what does that really look like

Time: 4095.24

and what does that correspond to

Time: 4096.69

and how do we actually make that happen?

Time: 4098.82

Well, once again, there is a mismatch

Time: 4101.65

between what the real data show

Time: 4103.28

and what we're most often told.

Time: 4105.94

Turns out, that again, work in Balcetis Lab,

Time: 4109.66

but also other laboratories,

Time: 4110.96

has addressed whether or not the probability

Time: 4114.298

of achieving a goal, goes up or down,

Time: 4118.78

depending on whether or not one visualizes

Time: 4121.61

or sets a goal that is easy, moderate or impossible.

Time: 4127.62

An impossible goal would be, for instance, if I say,

Time: 4130.41

I'm going to jump from my front driveway,

Time: 4133.202

all the way up to the road,

Time: 4135.21

the road's, quite a distance away,

Time: 4136.6

it's more than 20 meters away.

Time: 4137.66

It's just not going to happen.

Time: 4138.6

It's not going to happen in this lifetime,

Time: 4139.68

it's not going to happen in any other lifetime.

Time: 4141.67

Not unless it involves some elaborate technology

Time: 4144.24

that I'm not aware of,

Time: 4145.27

a jet pack or something like that.

Time: 4146.4

It's just not going to happen.

Time: 4147.857

An easy goal would be something like, can you jump?

Time: 4151.16

Or could I jump, two feet in front of me, obviously, yes.

Time: 4153.89

Now I'm using a trivial example here,

Time: 4155.5

but this could be translated to any kind of goal,

Time: 4157.54

school goal, physical goal, et cetera.

Time: 4161.15

It turns out that,

Time: 4162.24

when people set goals,

Time: 4163.84

whether or not they are nutritional goals,

Time: 4165.965

eat more of this or eat less of that.

Time: 4168.16

Whether or not they're fitness goals,

Time: 4169.81

run more, lift more.

Time: 4171.032

Some other goals, swim less, swim more,

Time: 4173.062

whatever it is their goal happens to be.

Time: 4175.48

Some learning goal,

Time: 4176.59

some relationship goal,

Time: 4178.5

some attempt to modify their behavior.

Time: 4181.01

It turns out that if the goal is too easy,

Time: 4183.61

it's too within reach,

Time: 4185.34

it doesn't recruit enough

Time: 4187.6

of the autonomic nervous system

Time: 4189.3

to make pursuit of that goal, likely.

Time: 4192.96

Now that might be surprising,

Time: 4194.21

at least it was surprising to me, you think,

Time: 4195.76

well, something is really, really easy.

Time: 4197.243

there's a very low bar to achieve it.

Time: 4199.94

People are probably more likely to do it.

Time: 4201.69

But turns out that's not the case,

Time: 4202.97

when we hear that a goal needs to be inspirational,

Time: 4205.03

what do we mean?

Time: 4205.95

When we hear that something's too easy,

Time: 4207.3

to recruit our action, what do we mean?

Time: 4208.93

Well, Balcetis Lab measured, systolic blood pressure,

Time: 4212.31

and found that,

Time: 4213.143

when goals were too easy for people to attain,

Time: 4216

they didn't get that increase in systolic blood pressure

Time: 4218.24

and recruitment of the other neural and vascular systems,

Time: 4220.71

meaning the blood systems and the nervous system

Time: 4222.74

that would place them into ongoing effort.

Time: 4224.62

And so they quickly gave up.

Time: 4227.19

Also, if a goal was too lofty,

Time: 4229.91

if it was too far from their current abilities,

Time: 4232.409

it didn't recruit enough systolic blood pressure.

Time: 4236.26

Even if people could get very excited

Time: 4238.41

about something mentally,

Time: 4239.82

it simply didn't place their body into a state of readiness

Time: 4242.89

because it wasn't tangible

Time: 4244.44

that they could actually perhaps really achieve it.

Time: 4247.58

So it turns out that when goals were moderate,

Time: 4251.1

when they were just outside of one's immediate abilities

Time: 4254.24

or that one felt that yeah,

Time: 4255.48

that would take a lot of effort.

Time: 4257.13

But it's within range or maybe in range,

Time: 4260.129

like maybe I can do it, maybe I can't.

Time: 4263.02

Then there was a near doubling

Time: 4265.97

of the systolic blood pressure in the good sense.

Time: 4268.27

It didn't go into the unhealthy range

Time: 4270.28

and a doubling or more of the likelihood

Time: 4273.69

that they would engage in the ongoing pursuit

Time: 4277.04

of that particular goal.

Time: 4278.44

So here we're talking about goal setting.,

Time: 4279.8

what we're saying is, set goals that are realistic,

Time: 4283.03

but that aren't so realistic, that they're easy.

Time: 4286.51

The goals need to be realistic and truly challenging.

Time: 4289.93

Don't set goals that are so challenging and so lofty

Time: 4293.14

that they crash that blood pressure system

Time: 4296.52

in the other direction and make you

Time: 4298.5

or anyone feel unmotivated.

Time: 4300.29

In hearing this, it makes sense,

Time: 4301.64

but I don't think I would have predicted it,

Time: 4303.17

had they not done this very controlled study.

Time: 4305.76

I would have thought,

Time: 4306.69

the loftier the goal, the bigger the goal,

Time: 4308.87

the more that it recruits the autonomic system

Time: 4311.33

and the more that people are likely,

Time: 4312.68

to lean into the energy

Time: 4314.23

and effort to pursue and attain that goal.

Time: 4317.06

I also would have thought

Time: 4318.1

that if a goal is really easy to achieve,

Time: 4320.78

that it would engage the systems

Time: 4322.531

of action in the brain and body enough

Time: 4325.18

that people would sort of get into motion

Time: 4326.8

and pursue that goal.

Time: 4327.633

But neither is the case.

Time: 4328.57

Again, set goals that are difficult to achieve,

Time: 4332.394

but that are not so lofty,

Time: 4334.476

that they collapse your system

Time: 4337.22

and that you feel overwhelmed.

Time: 4338.5

And the important thing here,

Time: 4339.83

is that how we perceive a goal,

Time: 4342.25

whether or not we think it's within reach or not,

Time: 4344.36

of course will vary,

Time: 4345.41

depending on whether or not we are rested.

Time: 4347.3

Depending on whether or not other aspects

Time: 4348.92

of our life are going well.

Time: 4350.34

I mean, we can think that we are hot on the heels

Time: 4353.04

of a lifetime goal and everything's going well,

Time: 4356.527

and then there'll be some crisis interpersonal crisis,

Time: 4359.34

or there'll be a health crisis and you'll be shut down.

Time: 4361.59

And then that goal seems very, very hard to attain.

Time: 4364.17

So we will talk about how to update goals

Time: 4366.6

under different context in a few minutes.

Time: 4368.54

But, of course this is going to be an averaging,

Time: 4370.79

this isn't something that you do just once.

Time: 4372.7

But the takeaway again is very simple,

Time: 4374.33

set goals that are moderately hard to hard,

Time: 4377.03

but not so hard nor so easy

Time: 4379.49

that they don't engage your brain and body properly.

Time: 4382.41

Moderate goals are best,

Time: 4384.25

if you want to achieve your goals.

Time: 4386.25

Now I'd like to talk about three particular areas

Time: 4388.44

of scientific study,

Time: 4389.99

that point to goal pursuit,

Time: 4392.24

goal assessment and goal achievement.

Time: 4396.09

Previously I told you,

Time: 4397.67

that it's great to foreshadow failure.

Time: 4400.57

That that's a great way to get your system

Time: 4402.15

into a state of activation.

Time: 4403.47

I also told you

Time: 4404.71

that you want to set goals,

Time: 4406.09

that are challenging but possible.

Time: 4407.57

And again, here, I'm paraphrasing

Time: 4409.21

from the work of Emily Balcetis.

Time: 4410.71

I want to be very clear.

Time: 4412.798

There are a few other things that one can do

Time: 4415.66

in order to bias the likelihood,

Time: 4418.09

that you will succeed in trying to achieve your goals.

Time: 4421.15

First of all, limit your options,

Time: 4424.55

trying to pursue too many goals at once,

Time: 4426.82

can definitely be counter productive.

Time: 4428.42

Now I realized that life is complicated.

Time: 4430.82

We all have multiple goals that we're trying to pursue,

Time: 4433.27

but if we have particular goals that are important to us,

Time: 4436.23

we have to be careful to not get distracted by other goals.

Time: 4439.34

And many people run into this problem.

Time: 4441.1

So setting one or two

Time: 4443.3

or maybe three major goals for a given year,

Time: 4446.45

is going to be more than enough for most people

Time: 4448.73

and is actually going to be challenging for most people.

Time: 4451.11

Now, of course we have daily goals and monthly goals

Time: 4453.01

and yearly goals, but if we have big lofty goals,

Time: 4455.87

we need to be careful not to contaminate our mental space

Time: 4458.7

and our visual space with too many goals.

Time: 4460.59

And why do I say visual goals? Well,

Time: 4463.234

what various department stores

Time: 4465.67

and supermarkets have discovered is that,

Time: 4468.51

the greater, the number of things in our visual attention,

Time: 4472.75

the more that we can draw our attention

Time: 4475.54

and our goals off a line of pursuit.

Time: 4477.69

What does that mean?

Time: 4478.79

Well, let's think about it in the practical context.

Time: 4480.66

This has actually been done.

Time: 4482.23

Big department stores have figured out

Time: 4484.03

that if they stock their shelves, chock-a-block

Time: 4486.5

with many, many options of food

Time: 4489.06

or clothing items or objects or anything like that,

Time: 4491.99

people simply buy more stuff.

Time: 4494.92

People are very prone to orienting their attention

Time: 4498.71

to whatever's in front of them.

Time: 4499.82

You put a lot of stuff in front of them,

Time: 4501.02

their attention drifts,

Time: 4501.86

you put fewer things in front of them,

Time: 4504.603

their attention is more narrow.

Time: 4505.96

In a later episode, we'll talk about designing a workspace,

Time: 4509.04

that's optimized on the basis of this.

Time: 4511.06

It doesn't mean being in a room

Time: 4512.31

with nothing except just your desk and a computer.

Time: 4514.8

Doesn't have to be that sparse,

Time: 4516.97

but visual sparseness,

Time: 4518.99

actually can help us orient our focus and our behavior.

Time: 4523.13

When we have a lot of things in our visual environment,

Time: 4525.13

or a lot of things in our cognitive environment.

Time: 4527.15

It's the same thing.

Time: 4528.36

And so if you're going to try and pursue a fitness goal,

Time: 4530.96

a relationship goal, an academic goal,

Time: 4532.95

and a longterm life financial goal all at once,

Time: 4535.33

that's four things.

Time: 4536.49

And you're going to have to come up with systems

Time: 4538.18

that allow you to isolate those goals in a very rigid way.

Time: 4542.56

And if you do have multiple interleaving goals

Time: 4545.07

and overlapping goals and simultaneous goals,

Time: 4547.85

in a few minutes, we're going to talk

Time: 4548.97

about a process that will allow you

Time: 4550.43

to use your visual system,

Time: 4552.12

to align towards each of those goals, sequentially,

Time: 4555.04

in a way that makes it much more likely

Time: 4556.86

that you'll achieve them.

Time: 4557.99

So now let's talk about specificity of goals.

Time: 4561.2

We've all heard that the more specific a goal is,

Time: 4563.73

and the more specific we are

Time: 4565.08

about when and how we are going to execute that goal,

Time: 4568.243

the higher probability

Time: 4569.62

that we will actually achieve that goal.

Time: 4572.36

And indeed that's the case,

Time: 4573.46

but there's an additional feature,

Time: 4575.01

that's not often discussed.

Time: 4576.77

That is vitally important.

Time: 4578.27

And in fact, maybe more important

Time: 4580.43

than having a specific time of day

Time: 4583.25

or a specific end point in mind.

Time: 4586.04

There's a really nice study,

Time: 4586.873

that was done looking at recycling.

Time: 4589.46

This is something that a number of groups,

Time: 4591.56

businesses, households,

Time: 4592.66

and individuals are trying to do more of.

Time: 4594.73

They're trying to lower carbon footprint

Time: 4596.24

or contribute to the world in some general way

Time: 4599.46

by throwing away fewer things

Time: 4601.81

that could potentially be recycled.

Time: 4604.87

So this has been studied

Time: 4605.9

in the context of the work environment,

Time: 4608.14

where a business decides and lets everybody know,

Time: 4612.035

that there's going to be a greater effort

Time: 4614.65

toward recycling cans or bottles

Time: 4617.03

or bottles and cans, et cetera.

Time: 4618.74

And then, the way these studies were done,

Time: 4621.758

is that the janitorial staff was swapped out temporarily

Time: 4624.98

for researchers that actually measured

Time: 4626.78

the number of recyclable items

Time: 4629.19

that showed up in the trash

Time: 4631.142

and not in the recycle,

Time: 4633.31

as a function of the total amount of trash.

Time: 4634.82

Why'd I say, as a function of the total amount of trash?

Time: 4636.38

What's a way of controlling

Time: 4637.35

for differences in beverage consumption

Time: 4639.57

from one week to the next?

Time: 4640.49

Anyway, the point is they were able

Time: 4642.64

to very carefully measure,

Time: 4644.311

how much people are recycling

Time: 4646.507

before and after this call to action to recycle more.

Time: 4651.017

And what they found was,

Time: 4652.99

if they said, we are going to try and recycle more,

Time: 4655.5

try not to put cans and bottles in the trash.

Time: 4658.22

There of course was an improvement in recycling,

Time: 4661.41

but it was pretty modest.

Time: 4663.29

Whereas when there was a very concrete plan

Time: 4666.62

and everyone knew what that concrete plan was,

Time: 4668.77

for instance, to place all bottles

Time: 4670.88

and cans into the recycle, not the trash

Time: 4673.37

or to limit the amount of trash by 50%,

Time: 4677.85

or to eliminate all recyclable items from the trash.

Time: 4681.21

So when they made it very concrete,

Time: 4682.95

exactly what the action steps were,

Time: 4685.9

there was a remarkable,

Time: 4687.49

I mean, close to a hundred fold

Time: 4688.97

or more improvement in recycling behavior

Time: 4692.69

that lasted many months

Time: 4694.87

after this call to action was made.

Time: 4697.66

The takeaway from this is quite straightforward.

Time: 4699.5

It means that having a concrete plan is essential.

Time: 4702.77

You can't just say,

Time: 4703.8

I'm going to become a better recycler

Time: 4705.23

or I'm going to do things

Time: 4706.17

that are better for the environment

Time: 4707.31

or I'm going to become more physically fit.

Time: 4709.67

It has to be a specific set of action steps

Time: 4712.99

that get right down to details

Time: 4715.15

about what success would look like.

Time: 4717.81

I've heard this before described

Time: 4719.09

as what does right look like?

Time: 4720.88

What is the actual outcome

Time: 4722.51

that one would like to achieve

Time: 4724.07

in terms of action steps?

Time: 4725.76

So not necessarily feeling states,

Time: 4727.52

it wasn't that they all sat around and said,

Time: 4728.89

how great we're all going to feel

Time: 4729.82

about ourselves in the world

Time: 4731.33

when we accomplish this goal?

Time: 4732.52

It was very concrete statements, very concrete plans

Time: 4736.36

about action steps that would deliver one to one's goal.

Time: 4739.57

Somewhat straightforward and intuitive,

Time: 4741.57

but nonetheless worthwhile.

Time: 4743.33

What it suggests is that for all of us,

Time: 4745.85

if we have certain goals that we want to achieve,

Time: 4748.06

we need to be exquisitely detailed

Time: 4750.87

about what the action steps are,

Time: 4752.69

that we are going to take

Time: 4753.6

and to constantly update those action steps,

Time: 4755.93

so that we have a higher probability

Time: 4757.45

of meeting those action steps.

Time: 4759.23

Some of you may be asking,

Time: 4760.5

how often should one assess progress?

Time: 4763.715

Well, that of course will depend on the given goal

Time: 4766.36

that you're trying to pursue.

Time: 4767.69

But in the studies

Time: 4768.84

that I've been referring to here,

Time: 4770.379

the assessment of progress

Time: 4772.52

and the updating of concrete plans was done weekly.

Time: 4775.92

So it seems like weekly is a good starting place,

Time: 4778.81

to address how well one performed

Time: 4781.15

in the previous week.

Time: 4782.12

And then based on that performance

Time: 4784

to update the action plan for the upcoming week.

Time: 4786.73

So weekly seems like a good solid rule of thumb

Time: 4789.94

for setting particular action goals

Time: 4791.935

and assessing one's progress

Time: 4794.75

towards the immediate and longer term goals.

Time: 4797.42

Any discussion about goals and goal pursuit,

Time: 4800.4

would be incomplete without a discussion

Time: 4802.37

about the molecule, dopamine.

Time: 4805.2

Dopamine is often thought of

Time: 4806.69

as the molecule of pleasure and reward,

Time: 4809.04

but actually it is the molecule of motivation.

Time: 4812.6

This is best illustrated

Time: 4813.799

by a classic set of studies,

Time: 4815.61

that have been carried out in both animals and in humans.

Time: 4818.68

The animal study can be described the following way,

Time: 4822.11

two rats, each in a separate cage.

Time: 4824.6

You can provide those rats

Time: 4825.76

with the opportunity to indulge

Time: 4827.79

in something that they like,

Time: 4829.27

like food or mating.

Time: 4830.992

Or heat, if it's cold in the environment,

Time: 4834.3

or a cool spot in the cage,

Time: 4836.332

if it's warm in the environment and so forth.

Time: 4839.03

And what you find is that,

Time: 4840.674

rats will very readily approach the rewarding thing.

Time: 4846.2

They will, mate.

Time: 4847.15

They will eat.

Time: 4847.983

They will pursue something that is of pleasure.

Time: 4851.93

Now, if you are to take one of those rats

Time: 4854.32

and deplete its dopamine neurons,

Time: 4856.24

you can eliminate it's dopamine neurons

Time: 4857.83

or block dopamine in the brain.

Time: 4860

What you find,

Time: 4860.833

is that those animals will still enjoy pleasure.

Time: 4865.75

They will consume the food, they will mate, et cetera.

Time: 4868.61

However, their motivation,

Time: 4870.8

to achieve pleasure is vastly reduced.

Time: 4874.75

In fact, if you place the item of pleasure,

Time: 4877.28

the mate, the food, et cetera,

Time: 4879.37

even just one rat's length away from that rat,

Time: 4882.64

the rat without dopamine will not even move one length

Time: 4885.75

of its own body in order to achieve that pleasure.

Time: 4889.07

And there are naturally occurring experiments

Time: 4890.75

in humans that mimic that result, very accurately.

Time: 4894.97

There are certain conditions in humans

Time: 4896.25

where there's a depletion of dopamine.

Time: 4897.85

And what you find is that,

Time: 4899.56

the depletion of dopamine does not inhibit an ability

Time: 4902.77

to experience pleasure, necessarily.

Time: 4905.15

It inhibits an ability to pursue

Time: 4907.49

or go through the series of action steps

Time: 4909.93

in order to achieve pleasure.

Time: 4912.11

So dopamine, really sits

Time: 4913.51

at the heart of our motivational state,

Time: 4916.44

to seek out goals and to seek pleasure.

Time: 4919.13

And this is true for immediate goals

Time: 4921.28

that take place within a timeframe of minutes

Time: 4923.936

or a timeframe of a day,

Time: 4925.7

or the timeframe of a week or the timeframe of a lifetime.

Time: 4929.05

Dopamine, is the common currency by which we pursue goals.

Time: 4933.01

Now, dopamine does a number of things

Time: 4935.14

that are very interesting.

Time: 4936.65

I'm going to describe a few of them

Time: 4937.97

as they relate to goal seeking behavior.

Time: 4940.78

First of all, there's a fundamental feature

Time: 4943.6

of how our brain releases and uses dopamine,

Time: 4947.72

that's called, reward prediction error.

Time: 4949.67

And the simplest way to think

Time: 4950.87

about dopamine reward prediction error,

Time: 4953.21

is that dopamine is released in the greatest amount

Time: 4956.8

and places us into a greater state of motivation,

Time: 4960.47

when something happens that's positive and novel.

Time: 4964.67

Now, an important thing to understand about dopamine,

Time: 4966.88

is that it's not always released

Time: 4969.35

on the same schedule.

Time: 4971.56

There are a couple of different ways

Time: 4972.5

that dopamine is released.

Time: 4973.62

And when it is released relative to your anticipation

Time: 4977.68

of a reward, is key.

Time: 4980.37

If you don't expect something positive to happen,

Time: 4983.04

you're just going about your day

Time: 4984.26

and something positive happens,

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dopamine and a lot of dopamine is released.

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I had this happen recently.

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I had no idea

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that I was going to be receiving something in the mail,

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but I went to the mail.

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I looked in the mail and I got something very positive.

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And I was really, really excited about this.

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This is a real event that happened, just today.

Time: 5003.12

However, if we anticipate something positive

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is going to happen

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and then that thing happens,

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we experience dopamine as part of the anticipation.

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So even before we get the reward,

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there's an increase in dopamine.

Time: 5018.33

It's not as high as it would be,

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if something really novel and unexpected

Time: 5022.84

and positive happened,

Time: 5023.82

but we do get an increase in dopamine.

Time: 5025.48

And then, when we actually experience the reward,

Time: 5029.38

we experience the positive thing,

Time: 5031.14

there's a smaller increase in dopamine.

Time: 5033.4

So again, the biggest increases in dopamine are response

Time: 5036.01

to things that are positive and unexpected.

Time: 5040.52

Lesser dopamine is released

Time: 5041.93

when we anticipate something good will happen

Time: 5044.88

and when that happens, yes, we get some dopamine.

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And we also get some dopamine

Time: 5048.59

when the positive thing happens,

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think about anticipating a great meal with friends.

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We have some dopamine churning, our friends come over,

Time: 5054.41

then we have the meal

Time: 5055.45

and we also get some dopamine from that,

Time: 5056.96

but not nearly as much as we would,

Time: 5059.22

if it had all happened as a part of a big surprise.

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Then, there's also the case in which we predict

Time: 5064.95

that something good will happen,

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when that happens, there's an increase in dopamine just

Time: 5069.25

as it was before,

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but then if that thing doesn't happen,

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for instance, our friends don't show up for dinner,

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then there's a drop in dopamine below our initial baseline.

Time: 5078.43

That drop in dopamine,

Time: 5079.48

is the chemical essence of what we call, disappointment.

Time: 5083.65

Now, this dopamine reward prediction error, as it's called,

Time: 5087.7

can be leveraged toward trying to reach our goals

Time: 5090.96

because it tells us

Time: 5092.61

where we should set our milestones.

Time: 5095.145

We can't be in a mode of simply being focused

Time: 5098.71

on the finish line.

Time: 5100.28

Very few people can do that

Time: 5103.08

over long periods of time

Time: 5104.37

in a way that's effective.

Time: 5105.203

Now, earlier I talked about a study

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where people were focused on a finish line visually,

Time: 5109.14

and they were moving through space

Time: 5110.43

with these ankle weights on,

Time: 5111.58

but that was a very short-term goal.

Time: 5113.81

So, if a goal is within minutes,

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or maybe even within an hour

Time: 5117.53

or as in with our immediate visuals environment,

Time: 5120.41

maybe we can do that.

Time: 5121.65

But most goals of the sort

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that most people are pursuing, fitness goals,

Time: 5125.1

academic goals, business goals,

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relationship goals, et cetera, involve some milestones.

Time: 5129.98

So, understanding what we know

Time: 5132.01

about reward prediction error, we can make better choices

Time: 5135.87

about where to place the milestones,

Time: 5137.97

how far out in the future to place milestones.

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So then the question becomes,

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how often or at what intervals should one assess progress?

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And it turns out this is very subjective,

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but that there's a way to make it objective.

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Now, in a previous episode of the "Huberman Lab Podcast",

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I had a discussion with the great Robert Sapolsky

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and we were talking about,

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how the brain can subjectively change

Time: 5163.13

whether or not a given behavior or experience,

Time: 5165.35

is positive or negative.

Time: 5166.55

And the example that Robert gave,

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is a really phenomenal one.

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It's a study that's been done in rats

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and also in humans

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where they took a rat

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and they had a rat run on a running wheel.

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Rats turns out like to run them running wheels

Time: 5178.76

and the blood pressure of that animal,

Time: 5180.89

the health metrics for that animal,

Time: 5182.51

the lipid profiles, many, many things improved.

Time: 5185.48

The rat was exercising and it got healthier

Time: 5187.54

and presumably happier,

Time: 5188.61

we don't know, we could've asked it,

Time: 5190.13

but we wouldn't know. It doesn't know how to tell us,

Time: 5192.263

but we can measure blood lipids.

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We can measure blood pressure and all sorts of things.

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And indeed, when that rat exercised or when people exercise,

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they generally get healthier.

Time: 5202.13

Except, in that particular experiment,

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they had another animal

Time: 5206.85

where every time rat number one, ran,

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rat number two was forced to run.

Time: 5213.52

It was on a running wheel

Time: 5214.43

and it was forced to run, not because it wanted to,

Time: 5216.82

but because it was forced to.

Time: 5218.69

And what was remarkable,

Time: 5220.02

is that the physiological effects

Time: 5221.77

of being forced to do something,

Time: 5223.74

were in the complete opposite direction as they were

Time: 5226.6

when those same behaviors were undertaken voluntarily.

Time: 5229.62

In other words, the rat that was choosing to run,

Time: 5232.22

got healthier

Time: 5233.1

and the rat that was forced to run became unhealthy,

Time: 5236.52

blood pressure went up in a direction

Time: 5238.14

that wasn't effective and useful.

Time: 5239.75

Blood lipids got worse.

Time: 5240.89

Stress hormones went up, et cetera, et cetera.

Time: 5242.92

And you see the same thing in humans.

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Now, what this says,

Time: 5246.11

is that our subjective understanding

Time: 5249.95

of why we are doing something,

Time: 5251.87

is fundamentally important for the effects

Time: 5254.68

that we will get from that behavior.

Time: 5256.4

And indeed the effects of that behavior will have on us.

Time: 5259.6

So this has two major implications.

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First of all, in terms of reward schedules,

Time: 5264.07

we can decide to use any reward schedule that we want

Time: 5267.271

for a given behavior.

Time: 5268.47

We can decide that the milestones for a...

Time: 5270.858

Let's say a plan of getting

Time: 5273.17

in really terrific cardiovascular shape over the next year.

Time: 5276.13

We can decide to assess every day

Time: 5279.66

and ask ourselves how good was our progress.

Time: 5281.59

And if we made progress, then we're going to reward ourselves.

Time: 5283.79

We could do that every third day.

Time: 5285.45

We could do it every week.

Time: 5286.79

We could do it every five minutes,

Time: 5288.18

if we actually had the time to do that.

Time: 5290.24

The reward schedule, the dopamine system,

Time: 5292.8

is highly susceptible to the subjective effects.

Time: 5296

These so-called, top-down effects

Time: 5297.41

of when we decide that something is going to be good for us,

Time: 5300.69

if we analyze it on a given timeframe,

Time: 5303.21

well, then it's going to be good for us.

Time: 5305.37

So, what I suggest people do

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is pick a particular interval

Time: 5309.06

at which they are going to assess progress.

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And if you've been making regular progress towards a goal

Time: 5314.36

that you reward yourself

Time: 5315.217

and the reward indeed is all cognitive.

Time: 5318.51

It's all mental.

Time: 5319.37

It's telling yourself, yes, I'm on the right track.

Time: 5322.14

Now, some people will say, wait,

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but I want to know exactly how often I should do that.

Time: 5326.81

You need to do that at an interval

Time: 5329.1

that you can maintain consistently.

Time: 5331.73

So you're not going to reward yourself every minute

Time: 5334.58

or every step of every jog that you take,

Time: 5336.9

unless you can do it, every minute of every step

Time: 5338.82

of every jog that you take.

Time: 5340.07

For that reason, I think that daily

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or ideally, weekly assessments are going to be best.

Time: 5345.83

I think that checking in at the end of a week,

Time: 5347.41

looking back on the previous week

Time: 5348.87

and assessing how well you performed

Time: 5351.18

in pursuit of a given goal.

Time: 5352.78

How many times a week you ran,

Time: 5354.54

or how many times you studied,

Time: 5355.81

or how many times you did something that you wanted to do

Time: 5357.79

or avoided something that you didn't want to do.

Time: 5359.8

I think that's a reasonable and tractable schedule

Time: 5364.38

to assess once a week.

Time: 5366.67

So that's one point,

Time: 5367.69

that pick a milestone that you can maintain consistently

Time: 5371.67

throughout the pursuit of a goal.

Time: 5373.91

The second thing, is that the subjective effects

Time: 5377.61

that were described by that Sapolsky study

Time: 5380.12

or that Sapolsky described rather, are absolutely essential

Time: 5384.9

for all aspects of goal seeking behavior.

Time: 5387.41

We cannot underestimate the extent

Time: 5389.48

to which the dopamine system and our sense

Time: 5391.62

of whether or not we are on the right track,

Time: 5393.56

is under our cognitive control.

Time: 5396.06

If we constantly place ourselves

Time: 5398.49

into a mode of thinking that we are failing, well,

Time: 5401.89

then indeed, we are not going to churn out much dopamine.

Time: 5405.03

Now, earlier, I said, we need to predict

Time: 5407.2

and visualize failure,

Time: 5408.9

but that is not the same thing

Time: 5410.72

as thinking about ourselves as failing.

Time: 5413.33

We need to predict what the outcome would be if we failed,

Time: 5417

but then encountering that

Time: 5418.93

and in behaving in a certain way,

Time: 5420.367

and thinking in a certain way,

Time: 5421.58

in pursuing our goals in an effective way.

Time: 5424.73

Maybe checking in on that each week,

Time: 5426.52

we definitely need to reward ourselves cognitively

Time: 5429.67

for the correct and successful pursuit.

Time: 5432.73

What this means is that anticipate and think about failure

Time: 5435.7

as a mechanism of generating motivation

Time: 5438.1

and indeed fear and anxiety,

Time: 5439.67

so that you lean into the correct behaviors

Time: 5441.62

and you lean away from the incorrect behaviors

Time: 5443.68

to reach your goal.

Time: 5444.84

But then weekly or so,

Time: 5446.15

whatever you can maintain consistently,

Time: 5448.364

you absolutely want to reward yourself cognitively

Time: 5451.53

by telling yourself, I'm on the right track.

Time: 5453.53

I got another week where I accomplish,

Time: 5455.66

whatever it is that I'm trying to accomplish.

Time: 5457.84

A concrete example that I'm following now,

Time: 5459.58

is this 150 to 200 minutes of zone two cardio per week,

Time: 5462.54

because that's shown to be very effective

Time: 5465.352

in improving mental and physical health metrics.

Time: 5467.121

So once a week, I'll check in with myself.

Time: 5469.24

If I reach that 150 to 200 minutes threshold,

Time: 5473.28

then I'll reward myself simply

Time: 5474.6

by checking off a box and saying, okay, I'm on track.

Time: 5477.26

I'm on track.

Time: 5478.093

I'm on track.

Time: 5479.07

This dopamine system is critical to re-up,

Time: 5482.2

to remind ourselves that we are on track,

Time: 5484.05

if indeed we are on track

Time: 5485.71

because dopamine itself provides a state of motivation

Time: 5489.917

and readiness to continue

Time: 5491.68

in the regular pursuit of our goals.

Time: 5494.4

Dopamine, the molecule, is actually used

Time: 5498.31

to manufacture epinephrine and norepinephrine.

Time: 5500.84

Which are other molecules in our brain and body,

Time: 5503.04

which put us into that readiness and action state.

Time: 5505.47

There are actually the molecules

Time: 5506.57

that help generate that increase

Time: 5508.02

in systolic blood pressure,

Time: 5509.33

that puts us into a state of readiness.

Time: 5511.9

So you can think about dopamine

Time: 5513.63

as a self amplifying system,

Time: 5515.78

provided that you are leveraging the dopamine system

Time: 5519.68

on a consistent schedule.

Time: 5521.469

Now, by also following a consistent schedule of self reward,

Time: 5525.23

you set yourself up for any positive unanticipated rewards,

Time: 5529.64

that may happen.

Time: 5530.59

So for instance, if you're checking in with yourself weekly,

Time: 5533.44

telling yourself that you're doing well,

Time: 5534.71

if indeed you are.

Time: 5535.81

And then out of nowhere,

Time: 5537.6

for instance, you're out on a run

Time: 5539.18

or you're doing something,

Time: 5540.06

I'm using fitness as an example.

Time: 5541.32

But you're doing something,

Time: 5542.153

you find yourself performing particularly well,

Time: 5544.23

that's a unexpected dopamine reward

Time: 5547

that will further amplify the system.

Time: 5549.42

Now I know many people out there,

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having heard me talk about dopamine before, worry,

Time: 5553.35

well, can I release too much dopamine

Time: 5555.38

and then the whole system will crash

Time: 5556.8

and then I'll run out of motivation?

Time: 5558.56

In general, that doesn't happen

Time: 5560.36

unless people are using pharmacology,

Time: 5562.9

supplements or prescription drugs or illicit drugs

Time: 5565.16

to increase dopamine.

Time: 5566.68

This is why I'm a big fan of things like, cold showers

Time: 5570.03

and cold water exposure,

Time: 5571.77

which has been shown to lead

Time: 5572.9

to long-lasting 2.5 X increases in dopamine,

Time: 5577.52

or in some cases,

Time: 5578.5

supplementation with things like L-Tyrosine,

Time: 5580.4

which are precursors to dopamine.

Time: 5582.01

Or in some cases, caffeine,

Time: 5583.12

which can increase the number

Time: 5584.22

of dopamine receptors that we have,

Time: 5585.98

so that whatever dopamine we have floating around

Time: 5588.1

can be more effective

Time: 5589.28

in activating these motivational states.

Time: 5591.96

But things that really increase dopamine

Time: 5594.95

and then cause it to crash, can be problematic.

Time: 5597.51

One way to conceive of dopamine,

Time: 5599.16

is as a sort of dopamine wave pool.

Time: 5601.42

You've probably seen these wave pools,

Time: 5602.68

where some pressure is pushed into the pool

Time: 5604.98

and then you get these waves going.

Time: 5606.42

If those waves are consistent enough,

Time: 5608.52

and they're are of high enough amplitude,

Time: 5611.07

the waves can continue to go up and down and up and down.

Time: 5615.14

But if it's a giant wave,

Time: 5616.6

if you get a huge blast of dopamine,

Time: 5619.04

well then a bunch of the water sloshes out of the wave pool

Time: 5621.85

and then you basically have to take some time off,

Time: 5624.44

reset that dopamine level.

Time: 5625.82

That's what happens in addiction

Time: 5627.03

and when people start pushing in a lot of drugs

Time: 5630.83

or other things into the system

Time: 5631.94

that increase dopamine too much.

Time: 5633.87

So today we've almost exclusively been talking

Time: 5635.86

about behavioral tools.

Time: 5637.298

It is possible to incorporate supplements

Time: 5639.77

and things of that sort, that can increase dopamine as a way

Time: 5642.594

to getting into ongoing motivational states.

Time: 5646.14

But I caution people about relying on those too much.

Time: 5649.85

Really what you want,

Time: 5651.41

is you want a situation where your own positive feedback,

Time: 5654.54

your own understanding,

Time: 5655.5

that you are reaching the milestones

Time: 5657.11

that you've set out for yourself.

Time: 5659.21

That you're achieving those,

Time: 5660.67

and that is what's causing these waves

Time: 5662.54

or these increases in dopamine

Time: 5663.89

that will further amplify your motivational states.

Time: 5666.93

Another very interesting aspect of dopamine

Time: 5669.3

that I've not talked about at all

Time: 5670.85

on this podcast before,

Time: 5672.41

is actually how the dopamine system interacts

Time: 5675.26

with the visual system.

Time: 5676.73

We've talked a lot about

Time: 5678.592

how harnessing your visual attention,

Time: 5679.425

to a particular point is great

Time: 5681.46

and can help serve your ability to both set

Time: 5685.79

and achieve goals.

Time: 5688.39

Really wonderful work that was done by Wolfram Schultz,

Time: 5690.86

who's one of the great pioneers

Time: 5692.5

in this area of dopamine

Time: 5693.73

and dopamine reward prediction error,

Time: 5695.74

showed that for people that have normal levels of dopamine,

Time: 5698.92

their visual search,

Time: 5700.01

meaning how they scanned visual environments,

Time: 5701.75

tends to be pretty constrained.

Time: 5703.05

They might move their eyes

Time: 5704.07

around a particular visual environment, searching somewhat.

Time: 5708.52

For people that lack dopamine,

Time: 5710.8

they actually have very little movement of their eyes.

Time: 5713.35

They don't actually tend to look very far into the horizon.

Time: 5716.34

They're don't have that very focused vergence point

Time: 5718.69

that we're talking about that kind of a...

Time: 5719.97

I guess for lack of a better phrase,

Time: 5721.24

that kind of eye of the tiger, focus on a goal.

Time: 5723.5

Rather, their eye movements are depleted

Time: 5726.77

and they're not actually evaluating horizons

Time: 5729.21

off in their future,

Time: 5730.13

they're not focused so much on the extrapersonal space.

Time: 5734.25

And this actually can be restored

Time: 5735.8

and some of these took place in Parkinson's patients

Time: 5738.41

and other people who have dopamine depleted,

Time: 5740.4

that when dopamine is restored pharmacologically,

Time: 5743.52

their visual focus is re-enhanced again.

Time: 5746.93

Now, there are a lot of details to this study

Time: 5748.74

that don't map perfectly onto everything

Time: 5750.33

that I've talked about.

Time: 5751.25

But the point is this, when we are focused

Time: 5754.21

on a particular point in visual space

Time: 5755.95

or a particular goal or horizon.

Time: 5758.578

All those systems, our blood pressure, epinephrine

Time: 5761.26

and indeed dopamine, get recruited

Time: 5763.89

to put us into a state of readiness

Time: 5765.97

and willingness to go pursue things

Time: 5767.72

in that extrapersonal space.

Time: 5770.04

When our visual attention is very diffuse,

Time: 5773.23

all of that relaxes,

Time: 5774.44

and we tend to be more comfortable staying

Time: 5776.38

in the place that we are, in our peripersonal space

Time: 5779.95

and the effect works in the other direction too.

Time: 5782.602

When dopamine is increased,

Time: 5784.82

our visual attention for particular things out in space,

Time: 5787.66

increase.

Time: 5788.493

So the way it works is reciprocal.

Time: 5790.97

When we use our visual system and in a particular way,

Time: 5794.08

bring it to a point of focus,

Time: 5795.25

it recruits chemical and neural systems

Time: 5797.29

in our brain and body

Time: 5798.123

that put us into a state of readiness and pursuit.

Time: 5800.88

And, when we increase certain chemicals

Time: 5804.64

in our brain and body, like epinephrine, like dopamine,

Time: 5807.34

then we also allow our visual system

Time: 5810.48

to be in a state of looking out at particular locations

Time: 5814.15

in our visual world.

Time: 5815.32

So the system works in both directions

Time: 5817.44

and some people leverage this by using things like caffeine

Time: 5820.35

or taking things like L-Tyrosine to increase dopamine.

Time: 5823.06

And again, it works both ways,

Time: 5824.55

there's no right or wrong way to do it.

Time: 5826.42

I'm a particular fan of using behavioral tools,

Time: 5829.63

always prior to using supplementation

Time: 5832.97

or any kinds of other tools

Time: 5834.41

because behavioral tools have a very unique feature

Time: 5836.94

that supplementation and other chemical tools don't.

Time: 5840.3

Which is that behavioral tools used over time,

Time: 5842.929

engage neuroplasticity.

Time: 5844.63

As we start to practice,

Time: 5846.59

using our visual system to harness our attention

Time: 5848.58

to particular locations

Time: 5849.72

and in that way, move to our particular goals,

Time: 5851.97

we get better and better at using those systems.

Time: 5854.17

In fact, the systems for focus and motivation,

Time: 5856.88

themselves have plasticity,

Time: 5858.18

so we get better at being motivated and focused

Time: 5860.98

when we place our visual attention at a given location.

Time: 5864.42

Using chemical assistance of a safe kind,

Time: 5867.13

of course, check with your doctor.

Time: 5868.26

But things like L-Tyrosine or caffeine or those combined,

Time: 5870.84

yes, it will increase dopamine

Time: 5872.067

and will increase our ability,

Time: 5873.88

to engage in visual focus somewhat.

Time: 5875.713

But those compounds alone,

Time: 5877.81

don't modify the circuitry in the way that we want.

Time: 5880.53

So I always say, behavioral tools first,

Time: 5882.87

then nutritional tools, then supplementation tools

Time: 5884.967

and then if it's right for you and safe,

Time: 5886.97

maybe you advance into some

Time: 5888.05

of the other more sophisticated tools.

Time: 5889.96

I'd like to just briefly recap

Time: 5891.41

what I've covered up until now.

Time: 5893.05

And again, emphasize that much

Time: 5894.3

of what I've covered has been based

Time: 5895.66

on the beautiful work of Emily Balcetis and colleagues.

Time: 5898.26

I do hope to get her as a guest on the podcast, by the way.

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First of all, set goals that are challenging, but possible,

Time: 5904.53

those moderate goals, not super easy, not super difficult.

Time: 5907.81

But moderately challenging goals,

Time: 5909.77

seem to be the most effective

Time: 5911.23

in moving people towards their goals

Time: 5913.21

over the short and longterm.

Time: 5914.74

Second, plan concretely,

Time: 5916.546

you need a concrete set of actions

Time: 5918.3

that you're going to follow in order to reach your goals.

Time: 5921.296

Third, foreshadow failure.

Time: 5924.22

This is a somewhat surprising one to me.

Time: 5926.61

I would have anticipated,

Time: 5927.92

that imagining success is the way to go.

Time: 5930.83

It turns out that imagining success and visualizing success,

Time: 5934.01

can be useful at the outset of a goal

Time: 5936.4

and maybe every once in a while

Time: 5938

in pursuit of that goal.

Time: 5939.62

But that it's not terrific for putting you

Time: 5942.17

in constant pursuit of that goal,

Time: 5944.15

rather, foreshadowing failure, visualizing failure

Time: 5946.87

and all the terrible things

Time: 5947.78

that it's going to bring,

Time: 5949.15

seems to be more effective.

Time: 5949.983

And that maps very well to what's known

Time: 5951.7

about the neural circuitry

Time: 5952.533

and the involvement of the amygdala.

Time: 5955.21

Focus on particular visual points

Time: 5958.32

as a way to harness your attention

Time: 5960.07

and to remove distractors.

Time: 5963.22

Removing distractors and getting your body and brain

Time: 5965.81

into a mode of activation.

Time: 5967.24

Getting that healthy increase in systolic blood pressure,

Time: 5969.76

that puts you into forward motion

Time: 5971.92

towards your goals, is absolutely key.

Time: 5973.95

So that's a brief summary

Time: 5975.41

of what I've covered up until now.

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There were other things too, of course, the dopamine system

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and the power of subjective top-down control

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in regulating that dopamine system.

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But I want to be sure to include a tool,

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that's been especially powerful for me,

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that's grounded in the neuroscience research

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and in the psychology research.

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And as I describe this tool next,

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I think you'll see the ways

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in which it measures nicely

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with the work that Emily Balcetis and colleagues have done.

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This is something that,

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I've personally been doing for many years,

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based on my understanding of the visual system

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and the understanding that

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indeed we can move our cognition

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and our perception from a place of interoception

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and focusing on our peripersonal space.

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That space within us and immediately around us

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and on the things that are immediately accessible to us.

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That we can shift from that mode

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to this mode of exteroception

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of focusing on things outside the confines of our skin

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and that are beyond our reach,

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that are literally goal directed behaviors

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and goal directed thoughts.

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And this is something that in the past,

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I have talked about a little bit

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and I've talked about something called, space-time bridging.

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And we haven't talked too much

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about the time domain of the visual system today.

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But space-time bridging, is simply a way

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of using one's visual system

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to focus on the peripersonal space and interoception.

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And then gradually in a deliberate way,

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stepping one's focus into the extra personal space

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and then back to the peripersonal space

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in a way that gives you a lot of flexibility and control

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over that ability in your daily life.

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So, I'm going to first describe the tool,

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and then I will explain more about the underlying science

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and the underlying mechanism.

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Here's how you would do this.

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You could do this indoors or outdoors,

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although, ideally, you would do it in a location

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where you could view a horizon.

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It could be through a window

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or ideally outdoors, without a window.

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It could be done anytime of day.

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At night, it might be a little more challenging,

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but it goes the following way.

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What you first do, is you would close your eyes,

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this could be done sitting or standing.

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But you would close your eyes

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and you would focus as much of your attention,

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including your visual attention

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on your inner landscape, on your interoception.

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So that would be your breathing, your heart rate,

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maybe even the surface of your skin,

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but really focusing internally.

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Now, how can you focus your visual attention internally,

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if your eyes are closed?

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Well, you do that by imagining your inner landscape.

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So you don't have to imagine your heart beating

Time: 6126.48

and so forth.

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But what you're trying to do is eliminate perception

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of the outside world.

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You're eliminating exteroception

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and you're focusing all of your cognitive attention

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and your perceptual attention

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on what you're experiencing

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within the confines of your skin

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or at the level of the surface of your skin

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and inside your body.

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And you would do that for a duration

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of approximately three slow breaths.

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So close your eyes.

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You do breath one, breath two and breath three,

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concentrating all your attention

Time: 6155.72

on your internal landscape.

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Then you would open your eyes

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and you would focus your visual attention

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on some area on the surface of your body.

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So for me, the way that I typically do this,

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will be to focus on, say the palm of my hand.

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So I'll focus my visual attention on the palm of my hand.

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And I then do three breaths again,

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focusing on my internal state,

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but now I'm splitting out a little bit

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of my attention from interoception to exteroception.

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I'm focusing on something outside me,

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the ratio or the split of attention is about 90, 10,

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about 90% of my attention is focused internally,

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but I'm also focusing some of my attention externally.

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Most people can do this pretty easily.

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Then, there's a third, what I call, station.

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I now move my visual attention to outside my body,

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to some location in the room,

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or if I'm outside in the external environment,

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something in the range of five to 15 feet away.

Time: 6206.83

And I'm trying to move 90% of my attention

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to that external object.

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So now I'm really biasing my perception and my attention

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towards exteroception.

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As I breathe, I'm paying attention to those three breaths,

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so that's why there's still 10%,

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that's focused on my internal landscape

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because I want to pay attention to those three breasts.

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But I'm focusing as much of my attention,

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outside of myself, maintaining just a little bit

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on my internal state,

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so I can measure the cadence of those three breaths.

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Then I move my visual attention to yet another station,

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which is further away, typically, a horizon

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or something as far off in the distance,

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as I can possibly see.

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Again for the duration of three breaths.

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And at that point, I'm trying my very best to move 99,

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if not 100% of my attention to that external location.

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And then, what I typically will do,

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is I will try and expand both my vision

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and my cognition to a much broader sphere.

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This is that, magnocellular vision

Time: 6266.62

that we talked about before,

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where I'm not focusing

Time: 6269.23

on a particular location on the horizon.

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I'm trying to dilate the aperture of my field of view,

Time: 6273.03

so I can see as much of the visual landscape

Time: 6275.42

as I'm in as possible.

Time: 6276.8

If you're in an internal, excuse me,

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if you're in indoors,

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then that might be the ceiling, the walls

Time: 6283.45

and the floor of the environment you're in.

Time: 6285.08

If you're outdoors, it would be to expand your visual focus

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as broadly as you possibly can.

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Again, for the duration of three breaths,

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then I would return immediately to my internal landscape.

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I would close my eyes

Time: 6297.95

and I would do three more breasts focusing entirely

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on my interoception, on my internal landscape

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or what we called before, my peripersonal space.

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And I would then repeat that,

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peripersonal space, 100%,

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focus on my hand, 90%,

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10% on my peripersonal space or my internal landscape.

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Stepping out to another location

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where it's mostly exteroception,

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maybe a little bit of recognition of my internal state,

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then to the horizon,

Time: 6326.81

then to this broader visual sphere, then back into my body.

Time: 6329.67

And I would work through each of those stations,

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maybe two or three times.

Time: 6333.2

The entire thing takes about 90 seconds to three minutes,

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depending on how many breaths you do.

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I said three,

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but you could do one or 10.

Time: 6341.04

It doesn't really matter.

Time: 6342.5

Or, it's also going to depend on,

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for instance, how slowly your breathing.

Time: 6347.46

'Cause your breathing might be faster

Time: 6348.73

than mine or vice versa.

Time: 6351.14

What is all of this doing?

Time: 6352.17

Why do I call this space-time bridging?

Time: 6354.2

And why is this useful for goal setting?

Time: 6356.6

The reason I call it space-time bridging,

Time: 6358.72

is that the visual system,

Time: 6360.41

is not just about analyzing space.

Time: 6363.12

It's actually how we batch time.

Time: 6365.33

It's how we carve up time.

Time: 6366.87

And the simple way to state this is that,

Time: 6368.9

when we focus our visual attention

Time: 6370.51

on a very narrow point,

Time: 6372.78

that's close to our body

Time: 6374.71

and our immediate experience.

Time: 6376.44

We tend to slice up time, very finely.

Time: 6379.25

We're focused on our breathing.

Time: 6380.87

We're focused on our heartbeats.

Time: 6382.84

In fact, our breathing and our internal landscape

Time: 6385.07

and our heartbeats

Time: 6385.903

become the sort of seconds hand, if you will

Time: 6388.53

on our experience.

Time: 6389.51

We are carving up time,

Time: 6390.82

according to our immediate physiological experience.

Time: 6394.32

Whereas when we focus our visual attention outside our body,

Time: 6398

not only do we engage that exteroceptive,

Time: 6400.69

extra personal space system,

Time: 6402.15

and we start to engage the dopamine system,

Time: 6403.93

the goal-directed system,

Time: 6405.82

but we also start batching time differently.

Time: 6409.31

When we focus our visual system

Time: 6410.93

into a broader sphere of space or into a space

Time: 6413.71

beyond the confines of our skin,

Time: 6415.52

we start carving up time, our frame rate changes.

Time: 6418.879

Now this is useful in the context of goal setting,

Time: 6422.52

goal assessment and goal pursuit.

Time: 6424.24

Because with the exception of a very few isolated examples,

Time: 6429.367

almost all goals, involve setting some goal,

Time: 6433.293

that's off in the future,

Time: 6435.62

and then carving up the time between now

Time: 6437.98

and the achievement of that goal into milestones,

Time: 6440.71

that range in duration.

Time: 6443.19

And the rewards, even if we try

Time: 6445.36

and just make them every week,

Time: 6446.68

are going to come at some unexpected intervals

Time: 6449.76

and that's actually can be helpful

Time: 6450.95

for reinforcing behavior, intermittent reward.

Time: 6453.48

That's intermittent

Time: 6454.74

and random is the most effective reward schedule we know,

Time: 6459.45

but the problem is always,

Time: 6460.66

how do we keep our cognition

Time: 6462.38

in line with the long-term goal

Time: 6463.94

while also being focused

Time: 6465.18

on these more immediate goals?

Time: 6466.43

And so this particular practice,

Time: 6467.88

that I call space-time bridging,

Time: 6469.17

but we could give it a different name.

Time: 6470.56

I'm sure there are better names.

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Maybe you can suggest some

Time: 6472.43

in the comment section on YouTube,

Time: 6474.57

that are more accurate or map to it better.

Time: 6477.35

But this behavior or this practice rather,

Time: 6480.31

is teaching us to use our visual system

Time: 6482.75

and thereby our cognitive system

Time: 6484.68

and thereby our reward systems,

Time: 6487.23

to orient to different locations in space

Time: 6489.84

and therefore different locations in time.

Time: 6492.88

And that is the essence of goal directed behavior.

Time: 6496.3

That is the essence of setting a goal.

Time: 6498.55

It's about thinking about what you want.

Time: 6500.52

Then it's about setting milestones

Time: 6503.41

that are intermediate to that goal.

Time: 6505.73

Then it's about assessing whether

Time: 6507.21

or not you're reaching those milestones.

Time: 6508.86

And then, it's of course about updating your goals,

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if you need to update your goals.

Time: 6513.03

All of that is an enormously confusing batch of challenges,

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if you think about it all at once,

Time: 6518.69

but if you break it down into these elements,

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that the visual system can help you find

Time: 6523.13

and move towards those milestones.

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I think there's ample evidence to support that

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and that your control over your visual system,

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is indeed yours,

Time: 6530.14

that you can deliberately set it to different locations.

Time: 6532.4

And then you make a practice

Time: 6534.54

of stepping through these different stations

Time: 6537.41

on a regular basis.

Time: 6538.38

Again, I do this each morning.

Time: 6539.75

I do this once a day.

Time: 6541.784

Rarely have I done it twice a day.

Time: 6543.57

Rarely have I missed a day.

Time: 6544.97

But by doing that, you can be very effective

Time: 6547.52

in teaching the systems of your brain

Time: 6549.93

that are related to goal setting and reward,

Time: 6551.88

to map to different timeframes.

Time: 6553.89

So, I found this to be a very effective protocol,

Time: 6556.93

the Balcetis work has mainly focused

Time: 6559.281

on visual tools that are of a single horizon.

Time: 6563.56

Here I'm talking about multiple

Time: 6564.96

what I called stations or horizons.

Time: 6567.19

But what's very clear, is that an ability to move

Time: 6570.37

from different visual stations

Time: 6572.33

and to do that in a deliberate way

Time: 6574.41

in a focused and conscious way.

Time: 6576.389

Clearly maps to an ability,

Time: 6578.66

to conceive of different goals

Time: 6580.29

over different periods of time.

Time: 6581.85

And I do believe can be greatly beneficial

Time: 6584.31

in allowing one to set particular goals

Time: 6587.13

and then move through the milestones to those goals

Time: 6589.4

and to constantly update one's pursuit

Time: 6591.7

and reward in reaching those milestones

Time: 6593.7

and eventually, the overall goal.

Time: 6595.93

Per usual, I covered a lot of material today.

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We talked about some of the neuroscience

Time: 6600.15

and psychology and popular understanding

Time: 6602.9

of goal seeking behavior.

Time: 6605.43

How to assess goals, et cetera.

Time: 6607.4

Talked about the beautiful work of Emily Balcetis

Time: 6609.35

at New York University

Time: 6611.33

and her work on the use of the visual system,

Time: 6614.66

to better achieve goals.

Time: 6616.65

And indeed things like visualization

Time: 6619.39

and why forecasting failure can be more effective

Time: 6621.57

than forecasting success

Time: 6623.13

as counter intuitive as that might seem.

Time: 6625.36

That's what the data point to.

Time: 6626.95

And we talked about the importance of setting concrete plans

Time: 6629.8

and really what that means.

Time: 6631.43

And what intervals at which to assess progress.

Time: 6634.89

And what intervals at which to assess reward

Time: 6637.56

and how the dopamine system is involved.

Time: 6639.6

And in addition, I described this practice

Time: 6641.69

that one can incorporate as a daily

Time: 6644.08

or semi-daily practice of so-called, space-time bridging

Time: 6646.96

of using the visual system

Time: 6648.54

and your ability to deliberately step your visual system

Time: 6651.83

from stations that are within your body.

Time: 6654.33

So-called peripersonal or interoceptive space out

Time: 6657.43

into the world further and further.

Time: 6658.67

And then back again in sequence

Time: 6660.45

as a way to harness and cultivate

Time: 6662.96

and build up these systems that link vision,

Time: 6665.757

space, time, reward systems and so forth.

Time: 6669.228

Ultimately, as you set out to accomplish your goals,

Time: 6673.45

there are going to be a number of basic steps

Time: 6675.68

that everyone will have to follow.

Time: 6676.94

You have to clearly identify,

Time: 6678.35

what the long arching ultimate goal is.

Time: 6680.69

You have to identify what the milestones will be.

Time: 6683.91

You might not know all of them at the outset,

Time: 6685.52

but you ought to have some idea

Time: 6686.88

about the intervals at which you are going

Time: 6688.7

to set those milestones

Time: 6691.02

and set your reward schedule for assessing progress

Time: 6695.16

in route to those milestones in your ultimate goal.

Time: 6698.01

My hope is that you'll be able to incorporate these tools,

Time: 6700.57

if not all of them,

Time: 6702.24

perhaps just one of them or two of them

Time: 6704.15

in pursuit of whatever particular goals,

Time: 6706.24

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Time: 6708.42

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