The Science of Making & Breaking Habits

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- Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast,

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where we discuss science and science based tools

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for everyday life.

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[mellow music]

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I'm Andrew Huberman and I'm a Professor of Neurobiology

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and Ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine.

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Today we're talking all about habits.

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In particular,

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we're going to discuss the biology of habit formation

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and the biology of how we break habits.

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I think we can all appreciate the value of having habits.

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Habits organize our behavior

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into more or less reflexive actions

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so we don't have to think too much

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about performing the various behaviors that, for instance,

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allow us to brush our teeth

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or which side of bed we roll out of in the morning.

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And then of course, habits can be more elaborate too.

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We can be in the habit of exercising

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at a particular time of day.

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We can be in the habit of eating certain foods.

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We can be in the habit of saying or saying certain things.

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But of course,

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there are many habits that don't serve us well,

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or that perhaps even undermine our immediate

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and long term health goals and psychological goals.

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And even some habits

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that can really undermine our overall life goals.

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So today we're going to talk about making, meaning forming,

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and breaking, meaning stopping, various habits.

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There's a lot of information out there about habits.

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You'll find this in the popular sphere.

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There are books, there are articles, there are workshops,

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and so forth.

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However, lesser known is that there's a whole neuroscience

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of habit formation and habit breaking.

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And there's a whole field of psychology devoted

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to understanding habit formation and habit breaking.

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And within those scientific literatures,

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I think there are some real gems that,

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at least to my knowledge,

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we haven't paid too much attention to

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in the popular sphere.

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So today,

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we're going to talk about the biology of habit formation

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and habit breaking.

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I'm going to boil these down to some very explicit steps

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that anyone can use.

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My reasoning for doing that is, first of all,

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it's the end of 2021.

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Many people are thinking about new year's resolutions.

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They're thinking about leaving some things behind from 2021

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and previous.

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And acquiring some new behaviors,

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taking on some new challenges,

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and trying to bring new things to their lives.

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But regardless of when you're listening to this,

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the programs that I'll outline

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are grounded in the neuroscience

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and biology of habit formation.

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And they map very well

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to what the psychologists have described,

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in terms of habit formation and breaking.

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So today you're going to learn a lot of science,

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you're also going to come away with some practical tools

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and I'm certain that regardless of your present state

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or goals, there'll be something of value to you.

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Before we begin, I'd like to emphasize

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that this podcast is separate from my teaching

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and research roles at Stanford.

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about science and science related tools

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Let's talk about habits.

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And anytime we're talking about habits,

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that means our nervous system learns something.

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Now, many people think that habits are just like reflexes,

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but pure reflexes are things like the eye blink reflex.

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You know, something comes towards your eye

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and you don't want it to get in your eye, you'll blink.

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Or if you happen to step on a sharp object,

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or get too close to something that's too hot,

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you'll reflexively move away.

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Those aren't habits.

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Those are what we call hard-wired reflexes.

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Habits are things that our nervous system learned,

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but not always consciously.

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Sometimes we develop habits that we're not even aware of

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until they become a problem

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or maybe they serve us well.

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Who knows?

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But the fact of the matter is

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that habits are a big part of who we are.

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What we do habitually makes up much of what we do entirely.

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In fact, it's estimated

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that up to 70% of our waking behavior is made up

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of habitual behavior.

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So, you can imagine that there's a lot of biology,

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meaning cells and hormones and neural pathways, et cetera,

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that are going to support development of those habits.

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So if habits are largely, learned,

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consciously or unconsciously,

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we have to ask ourselves,

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what is learning?

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Well, learning is neuroplasticity.

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Neuroplasticity is simply the process

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by which our nervous system changes

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in response to experience.

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We have to ask, what changes?

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Well, what changes are the connections between neurons.

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Neurons are just nerve cells.

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They communicate with one another by electricity

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and by sending chemical signals to one another

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that inspire the next neuron and the next neuron

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to either electrically active or not.

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But at the end of the day,

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neuroplasticity is about forming new neural circuits,

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new pathways by which certain habits are likely to occur,

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and other ones are less likely to occur.

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So, we've got habits.

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We have that habits are learned,

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we have that learning involves neuroplasticity,

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and that neuroplasticity involves changes

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in the connections between neurons, nerve cells.

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Okay, so that describes habits through the lens

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of neuroscience and biology,

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but as many of you are well aware,

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there are popular books about habits

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and there's a whole psychological literature about habits,

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and those two areas point

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to some very interesting aspects of habits

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that I think are worth mentioning.

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First of all is this notion of immediate goal-based habits

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versus identity-based habits.

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Immediate goal-based habits are going to be habits

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that are designed to bring you a specific outcome

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as you do them,

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so each and every time you do them.

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So for instance,

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it might be that you want to develop a habit of getting,

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you know, 60 minutes of zone II cardio each day,

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or perhaps 3-4 times per week, as we head into the new year.

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I've talked before on the podcast about the fact

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that the scientific literature

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and the health literature really points

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to the incredibly positive effects

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of getting 150 minutes to 180 minutes per week minimum

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of what's called zone II cardio.

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Zone II cardio is basically any cardiovascular exercise

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that gets you moving, and your heart pumping,

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and breathing,

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but not so hard that you can't hold a conversation,

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and so that kind of puts you at the threshold

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of just being just able to have a conversation

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that's a little bit strained,

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but if you were to exercise a little bit harder,

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you know, run a little bit faster, et cetera,

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you wouldn't be able to talk while you did it.

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There's a lot of literature that points to that

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as a healthy practice.

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So maybe you're somebody that wants

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to get more of zone II cardio, for instance.

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That would be an immediate goal-based habit

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if your goal is to get that cardio,

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maybe 4 times a week.

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Every time you do it you check off a little box

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and you say, "Okay, I did it." You met the goal.

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That is different than so-called identity-based habits

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where there's a larger, over-arching theme to the habit,

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where you're trying to become, quote unquote,

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"a fit person".

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Or you're somebody who wants to be an athlete

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or something of that sort.

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It's where you start to attach some sort of larger picture

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about yourself or what it means for you to do that habit

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where there's both the immediate goal, right?

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Complete the exercise, complete the session,

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or whatever it is, check off that box.

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But that you're linking it to some sort of larger goal.

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Now, why am I making this distinction?

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I mean, first of all,

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I'm not the one to first make this distinction.

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Others have made the distinction between identity

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versus immediate goal-based habit formation.

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But the reason I'm making the distinction is

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that pretty soon in our discussion today

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we are going to talk about dopamine,

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a molecule that's associated with motivation and reward,

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that we make in our brain,

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and how different schedules of dopamine release

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predict where we will stick to a habit or not.

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And in particular,

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whether or not we will be able to form that habit quickly

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or not.

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Now, this is absolutely critical to understand

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for the following reason.

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Another thing that you'll hear out there in the literature

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is that it takes 21 days to form a habit.

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Some people say 18, some people say 21,

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some people say 30 days, some people say 60 days.

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So which one is it?

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Does it depend on the habit that one is trying to form?

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Or does it depend on the person

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that's trying to form the habit?

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Well, it turns out

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that there's excellent peer-reviewed data on this.

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There's a study published in 2010,

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first author Lally, L A L L Y.

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This study found that,

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for the same habit to be formed,

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it can take anywhere from 18 days

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to as many as 254 days for different individuals

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to form that habit.

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The reason I bring this up, is that I always get asked,

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"Is it true that it takes 21 days to form a habit?"

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"Is it true that your nervous system changes in six days"

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"when you're doing something repeatedly?"

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And the answer is, as I mentioned before,

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it's highly variable.

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What I didn't tell you actually,

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is what specific habit they were looking at

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in that Lally study.

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And it's interesting that the specific behavior

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was a health-related behavior.

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That's pretty relevant to our discussion here,

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on the podcast.

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Which was taking walks after dinner.

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There's actually a really nice literature

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showing that walks after a meal

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can speed glucose clearance from the blood stream,

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can be beneficial for not just weight loss,

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but cardiovascular health, et cetera.

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So a walk after dinner seems pretty straight-forward, right?

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Well, in order to form that habit,

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it took some people 18 days and other people 254 days.

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How did they know when they formed the habit?

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Well, they were doing it about 85% of the time

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and they also reported not having to spend

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that much mental effort in order to get into to the mode

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of taking a walk after dinner.

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So, for those of you listening,

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some of you might be thinking,

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"I can't believe that it would take certain people 254 days"

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"to get into that habit."

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As I said, people are highly variable

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and if you can't form one habit easily,

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it doesn't mean that you can't form other habits easily.

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The mystery of why certain people

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can form certain habits more easily than others?

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Probably has something to do with how people manage

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what's called limbic friction.

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Now, limbic friction is not a term that you're going to find

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in the formal neurobiological literature

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or even some of the psychological literature.

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It's, frankly, a term that I coined

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to encompass a number of different pieces

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of the psychology and neuroscience literature.

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Limbic friction is a short-hand way

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that I use to describe the strain that's required

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in order to overcome one of two states within your body.

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One state is one of anxiousness,

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where you're really anxious

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and therefore you can't calm down, you can't relax,

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and therefore you can't engage in some particular activity

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or thought pattern that you would like.

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The other state is one in which you're feeling too tired

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or lazy or not motivated.

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Both of those states, feeling too alert

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and too calm, if you will,

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relate to the function

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of the so-called autonomic nervous system,

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a set of neurons and hormones and chemicals in your brain

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and body that act as sort of a see-saw.

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You're either alert or calm.

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You're either asleep or stressed.

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Those two states are not compatible with one another.

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You've probably heard of "wired and tired"

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but that's really once you've been very stressed

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for a long time, to the point where you're exhausted.

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What does the autonomic nervous system have to do

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with any of this?

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Well, limbic friction is a phrase

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that can be used to describe how much effort,

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how much activation energy you need

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in order to engage in a particular behavior.

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So, using this Lally study as an example,

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some people would eat dinner, and then say,

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"Oh, that's right, I've been trying to develop the habit"

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"of taking a walk after dinner."

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"So, let's get up and go."

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Other people will feel like,

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"I just don't want to do it today."

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They're going to feel too much limbic friction

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and that limbic friction could arrive, again,

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from one of two sources.

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It could be because they are too tired to do it

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or it could be because they're too anxious

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and distracted in order to do it.

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So, this is a key distinction.

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A lot of habit formation has to do

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with being in the right state of mind

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and being able to control your state of body and mind.

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So as we march forward,

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what you're going to find is that this phrase

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or this term, limbic friction,

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is going to be a useful metric

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or a way for you to touch in with yourself

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and address whether or not you are likely

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to be able to form a certain habit easily

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or whether or not it's going to be very challenging.

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And I'm going to teach you a way

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to measure your degree of limbic friction.

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That is, how much activation energy it will take

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in order for you to execute a new habit.

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And I'm going to teach you

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how to measure your limbic friction

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and activation energy for how likely it is

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that you're going to be able to break a habit

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that you don't want to have.

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The other key concept for us to address

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that's really mainly found in the books

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and articles out there about habits,

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is this notions of what I call linchpin habits.

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Linchpin habits are certain habits

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that make a lot of other habits easier to execute.

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Now, the sorts of linchpin habits

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that I'm referring to are always going to be things

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that you enjoy doing.

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I'll just give you an example from my life.

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I happen to like exercise.

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Not all forms of exercise,

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but I happen to like resistance training

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and I happen to like running.

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So I'm personally in the habit

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of getting cardiovascular exercise 3 or 4 times per week.

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Maybe 30-60 minutes per session.

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And I'm in the habit of doing resistance training 3

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or 4 times per week,

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typically also for about 45 to 60 minutes per session.

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Now, I enjoy those,

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and for reasons that I'll get into a little bit later,

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I enjoy those activities typically early in the day

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because of the neurochemistry

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and the various types of hormones, et cetera,

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that are associates with performing those activities.

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But I really place those activities under the umbrella

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of what I call linchpin habits.

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Why? Because those particular habits are easy

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to execute because I enjoy them.

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But they also make a lot of other habits easier to execute.

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Things like being alert for work,

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things like making sure

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that I get good sleep the night before,

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things like hydration,

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things like making sure that I eat the foods

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that are better for me than some of the other foods

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that maybe I would more reflexively reach to

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if I weren't doing that training.

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So certain habits act as linchpins,

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meaning that they shift a lot of other things.

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They can control and bias the likelihood that,

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in this case you or me,

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will perform other habits that are harder to access,

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that we have less of an affinity for.

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So again,

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there's three concepts that we need to include here.

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We've got identity-based versus goal-based habits.

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We've got the concept that typically different habits

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take different periods of time to adopt,

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depending on the person and the habit.

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And that there are these, what I call linchpin habits.

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Certain habits that make other habits easier to execute.

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And those linchpin habits

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always, always, always are things that we enjoy doing.

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So our goal throughout this episode is for you to identify

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which habits are easy for you to perform,

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which ones are hard for you to perform,

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and which habits you want to break.

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If you want to grab a pen and paper, you can do that.

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Or if you want to dictate some of that into your phone,

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you can.

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But right now, actually,

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if you just want to think about these concepts,

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you can always go back later,

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I'll be sure to spell out a very specific way

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that you can chart out a map

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towards forming particular habits

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and breaking particular habits later on.

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What I'd like us to do at this point is

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to take that concepts of limbic friction

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and for you to ask yourself

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what habits you perform on a daily basis,

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and these could be things as basic

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as brushing your teeth before breakfast,

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or brushing your teeth after breakfast.

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It could be, for instance, that you get exercise

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or you get it at a particular time of day,

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or even that you take a particular route to work, right?

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We are very habitual

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and we tend to do things more or less over and over

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in the same way, unless we intervene in ourselves.

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That's just the way that we are wired.

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So now I'd like you to shift

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to thinking about a particular aspect of habits

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and that's habit strength.

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Now, you all have different habits.

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You probably brush your teeth at a particular time of day,

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you probably exercise at particular times of week,

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you probably go to the refrigerator in a very habitual way.

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We are incredibly habitual organisms.

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Unless we intervene in our habits,

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they tend to carry out the same way that they always have

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once they've formed.

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So you can do this exercise now,

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you don't have to write this down if you don't want to,

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but you certainly are welcome.

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We're going to evaluate what's called habit strength.

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That's not a concept that I created.

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Habit strength is something

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that you will find in the psychological literature.

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Habit strength is measured by two main criteria.

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The first, is how context-dependent a give habit is.

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So, context dependence is,

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if you go from one environment to the next,

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do you tend to do the same thing,

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in the same way, at the same time of day?

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So, for instance,

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brushing your teeth firs thing in the morning.

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Maybe some of you do that before breakfast,

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maybe some of you do that later,

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maybe some of you, like me, don't even eat breakfast.

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But when I travel, I tend to brush my teeth at more

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or less the same time of day relative to when I wake up

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as I do when I'm at home.

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So it's context independent.

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So it's a very strong habit, right?

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There are certain behaviors,

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like perhaps what you eat,

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or, you know, perhaps how you dress,

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that are context independent,

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that you might perform one way in one context,

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and another way in another context.

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The other aspect of habit strength is

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how much limbic friction is required

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to perform that habit on a regular basis.

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This is extremely important

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because if you are in the process of building habits

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and consolidating those habits,

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then it's probably going to take more limbic friction

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to execute those habits.

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What do I mean by that?

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Well, let's say you set out to get,

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let's say 45 minutes of zone II cardio exercise every day,

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5 or maybe even 7 days a week.

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Well, if at first you're highly motivated,

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limbic friction might be pretty low.

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Limbic friction is how much top-down,

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meaning from your fore-brain to your limbic system,

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the part of you brain that generates autonomic responses,

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how much limbic friction,

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meaning conscious over-ride of your state is required

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in order to engage in that particular behavior.

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So, if you're feeling particularly tired

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and you don't want to get out of bed,

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and you don't want to go out and do your zone II cardio,

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then there's a high degree of limbic friction.

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It takes, some people think of it as motivation,

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but motivation is a bit of a vague concept,

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whereas limbic friction involves specific neural circuits

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and you can think of it in a more or less quantitative way.

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You can think of that your body is very tired,

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so it's going to take more limbic friction

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in order to get into action.

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Right?

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You're going to have to overcome more limbic friction,

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excuse me.

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Whereas if you're very, very alert,

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there's less limbic friction

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because you're moving toward something

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that's action oriented.

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However, the inverse is also true.

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Let's say that you are trying to get into the habit,

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or you're in the early stages of forming a habit

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to meditate regularly.

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That's a pretty quiescent or calming activity,

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so if you're somebody who comes home from work

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and you're very anxious and you have a lot of work to do

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and you have to deal with a bunch of things,

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there's a lot of limbic friction to overcome

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in order to get into that calm state.

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So these two aspects, context dependence,

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whether or not you're like to do the thing

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regardless of where you are.

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Right? On travel, at home, on vacation,

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with people around, not people around, et cetera.

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And how much limbic friction is required

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to execute that habit,

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will tell you whether or not that habit is deeply

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or just shallowly embedded within your nervous system.

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The goal of any habit that we want to form

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is to get into what's called automaticity.

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Automaticity is fancy language

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for the neural circuits can perform it automatically,

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and that's the ultimate place to be.

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All right, if you have all these goals

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and things that you want to be doing on a regular basis,

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you'd love for them to be habitual

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because it takes less mental and physical effort,

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less limbic friction,

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in order to execute those.

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And so much of what's out there,

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again in the popular psychology literature,

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in books that you'll find on the bookstore shelf

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and on Amazon, and in the airports,

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are about how to get

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from that mode of high degree of limbic friction

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to automaticity.

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And they offer a number of different ways,

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I think many of which are useful,

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trying to get you to organize different types of habits

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into different bins, like value-based, and goal-based,

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and trying to persuade you

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that structuring habits at the particular times of day

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or in a particular way are going to be beneficial,

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and indeed, I think they have helped a lot of people.

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So what I'd like to do is to take the scientific literature

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of how the nervous system learns

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and engages in plasticity,

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and apply that to habit formation,

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habit maintenance, and if so desired,

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how to break particular habits.

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I'd like to give you a particular tool

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that's gleaned from the research psychology literature.

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I should mention that I learned about this

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from an excellent review article

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that's available online.

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It's called Psychology of Habit.

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The authors are Wendy Wood and Dennis Ruenger,

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this is published in Annual Review of Psychology.

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The Annual Reviews series is a very high quality series.

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There are annual reviews of neuroscience,

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annual reviews of psychology,

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annual reviews of nutrition science, et cetera.

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For those of you

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that are interested in exploring review articles

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that are grounded in hundreds of quality,

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peer-reviewed studies,

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the Annual Review series is really terrific.

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Certainly among the best, if not the best.

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And they also tend to be quite long and quite comprehensive.

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So this review, Psychology of Habit by Wood

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and Ruenger, is excellent.

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And here I'm more or less paraphrasing from them,

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so I want to be clear that these are their words, not mine.

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They're talking about the various ways

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that habits form in the nervous system

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and they mention, with each repetition of a habit,

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small changes occur in the cognitive and neural mechanisms

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associated with procedural memory.

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So I just want to talk for a second

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about what procedural memory is.

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In the neuroscience of memory,

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we distinguish between what's called episodic memory

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and procedural memory.

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Episodic memory is a recall of a particular set of events

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that happened,

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whereas procedural memory

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is holding in mind the specific sequence of things

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that need to happen

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in order for a particular outcome to occur.

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So think of it like a recipe or a protocol,

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or for the sake of exercise,

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it's like sets and reps,

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or a particular course that you're going to run or cycle,

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or the number of laps you're going to swim

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and how you're going to perform it.

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It's very clear that for anyone trying to adopt new habits,

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getting into the mindset of procedural memory is very useful

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for overcoming that barrier that we call limbic friction.

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How do you do that?

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Well, a simple visualization exercise,

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or it doesn't even have to be done eyes closed.

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You know, often times we hear visualization exercise,

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you think about sitting in a lotus position, eyes closed,

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you know, trying really hard to visualize something.

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Doesn't need to be anything like that.

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It can simply be, if you are deciding to adopt a new habit,

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to just think about the very specific sequence of steps

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that's required to execute that habit.

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And I'll use a trivial example,

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but this could be applied to anything.

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Let's say I want to get into the habit of making myself,

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or someone else in my household,

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a cup of espresso every morning,

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I would actually think through each of those steps.

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Walk into the kitchen, turn on the espresso machine,

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draw the espresso.

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Walking through each of those steps, from start to finish,

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and it turns out just that simple mental exercise done once

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can shift people towards a much higher likelihood

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of performing that habit regularly,

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not just the first time,

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but as they continue out into the days

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and weeks that follow.

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So that's remarkable to me

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and the literature is really robust.

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Just one mental exercise of thinking through

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what are the sequence of steps required

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in order to perform this habit from start to finish

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can shift the likelihood of being able to perform that habit

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from unlikely or moderately likely,

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to very likely over time.

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And that's because it pulls from this process

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that involves our hippocampus and our neocortex

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and other areas of our brain and nervous system,

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that engage in procedural memory.

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It shifts the brain towards a mindset, if you will.

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It's more of a neural circuit set, would be more accurate.

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But a mindset/neural circuit set

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of doing things in a particular sequence,

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which allows that limbic friction to come down

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and increases the likelihood

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that we're going to perform that thing.

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Simple tool but very powerful too,

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according to the psychology literature.

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And actually, the cellular and molecular mechanisms

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that underlie that sort of procedural memory,

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stepping through phenomenon are known.

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In this article I mentioned, this beautiful review,

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they talk about so called Hebbian learning.

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Donald Hebb was a psychologist in Canada

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and birthed this field that has now lasted, gosh,

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more than 50 years and is still very strong

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in neuroscience and psychology of Hebbian learning.

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Hebbian learning is when particular neurons are co-active,

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meaning when they fire together,

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they tend to strengthen their connections

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with one another.

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And it has a number of different cellular

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and molecular features

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that we don't have to go into in detail,

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but for those of you that want to know,

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I know some of you are hungry

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for a little bit more neuroscience,

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this involves things like NMDA receptors

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and methyl-D-aspartate receptors.

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NMDA receptors are really important I think

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for everyone to understand.

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So I'll just tell you a little bit about them.

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These are receptors that are on the neuron's surface

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and normally they don't contribute much

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to the activity of those neurons.

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Those neurons are perfectly capable of doing their thing

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without activation of this NMDA receptor.

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But when a neuron gets a very strong input,

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a strong stimulus,

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that NMDA receptor triggers a number of mechanisms

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that recruit

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to the surface of the neuron more other receptors.

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In other words, it makes that neuron more responsive

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to input in the future

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such that it doesn't require so much input.

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In other words, it takes a neuron

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that is very unlikely to fire

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and makes it more likely to fire.

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So this procedural stepping through

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of the steps of the recipe

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or the series of actions steps that are involved

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in sitting down to study and writing for an hour,

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or generating exercise,

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whatever is the habit that you're trying to learn.

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When you're doing that exercise,

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it's not as if your nervous system

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thinks you're actually performing that behavior.

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Your nervous system isn't stupid.

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It's actually a lot smarter than that.

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It knows the difference between a thought and an action,

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but when you do that,

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it sets in motion the same neurons

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that are going to be required

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for the execution of that habit.

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And so when you actually show up to perform that habit,

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it's as if the dominoes fall more easily.

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It's a lower threshold, as we say,

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in order to get the habit to perform.

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So, Hebbian learning, NMDA receptors,

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all that nuts and bolts stuff.

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Really the guts of the mechanisms of how this works.

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But for those of you that just want

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to be more habitual about certain things,

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be able to perform certain things more reflexively,

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that you would like in your life,

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simply take the time, do it once, maybe twice,

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and just sit down, close your eyes if you like,

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and just step through the procedure

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of what it's going to take in order to perform that habit.

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The psychology literature, as I mentioned,

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and also the neuroscience literature,

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strongly supports the fact

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that it is going to make it far easier

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for you to adopt and maintain that habit.

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And if you are somebody who used to perform a habit,

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and you don't understand why you dropped it,

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and you're frustrated with yourself,

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and you're trying to figure out

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how you can get back into that habit,

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well by all means,

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lean right back into that habit,

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but if you're having trouble doing that,

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also just use the procedural memory exercise

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in order to shift your nervous system

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towards a higher likelihood

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that you will return to that habit

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just the same way I described for trying

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to initiate a new habit.

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So now I'd like to discuss a second,

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and what I think is perhaps the most powerful tool

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for being able to acquire and stick to new habits.

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This tool is rooted in what we call neural circuits

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and I do think it is important to understand a little bit

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about how those neural circuits work.

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For those of you that are saying,

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"Just tell me what to do."

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I have to say, as I always say,

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understanding a little bit or a lot of underlying mechanism

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will help solidify these concepts for you

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and will help ensure that the tools

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that I offer are going to make sense

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and that they're going

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to make sense in differing contexts

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and for different types of habits

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that you're tying to learn.

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So, rather than just tell you what to do,

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I'm going to tell you how this particular tool works,

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and then in doing that,

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you should be able to apply it to any habit,

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under any conditions.

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The tool that I'm referring to

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is something called task-bracketing

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and the neural circuits associated with task-bracketing

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are basically the neural circuits

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that are going to allow you to learn any new type of habit

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or break any habit that you'd like to break.

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We have in our brain a set of neural circuits

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that fall under the umbrella term of the basal ganglia.

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The basal ganglia are involved in action execution,

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meaning doing certain things,

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and action suppression, not doing certain things.

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In the experimental realm,

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these are referred to as go, meaning do,

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or no go, don't do, certain things.

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And some of us fall more into the category

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of we find it very easy to do certain things,

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but harder to not do other things.

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Some people have a lot of no go type circuits

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that are very robust,

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and they have a lot of behavioral constraint,

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but they have a harder time getting into action.

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And some people have a perfect balance of both,

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but I've never met one of those people.

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So again, drawing from, more or less paraphrasing

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from this beautiful review that I described earlier

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in Annual Review of Psychology, excuse me,

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by Wood and Ruenger,

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task-bracketing involves a particular set of neural circuits

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within the basal ganglia,

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so I'm going to describe this here, again paraphrasing,

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a sensory-motor loop.

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Sensory means just input coming in about sight, sounds,

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taste, et cetera.

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And then the motor systems,

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the systems of the brain and body that generate action,

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taking that information and generating action.

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So it turns out that there's an area of our basal ganglia

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called the dorsolateral striatum,

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we can use the acronym DLS.

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Again, dorsolateral striatum.

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Dorso means up. Lateral means to the side.

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So dorsolateral.

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And striatum is a subdivision of the basal ganglia.

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And it's very important

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for the establishment of behaviors

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that are associated with a habit,

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but not necessarily the habit itself.

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And beautiful studies in both animals and humans

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that record the activity in the dorsolateral striatum

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find that the dorsolateral striatum is associated,

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meaning it becomes active at the beginning

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of a particular habit,

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and at the very end and after a particular habit.

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Hence the phrase task-bracketing.

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It brackets the habit.

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Now, other sets of neurons are going to be active

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during the actual execution of the habit,

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but what the literature on the dorsolateral striatum

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tells us is that we have particular circuits in our brain

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that are devoted to framing the events

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that happened just before

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and as we initiate a habit,

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and just after and as we terminate a habit.

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In other words, it acts as a sort of marker

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for the habit execution,

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but not the execution of the habit per se.

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This is very important

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because task-bracketing is what underlies whether

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or not a habit will be context dependent or not,

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whether or not it will be strong

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and likely to occur

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even if we didn't get good night's sleep the night before,

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even if we're feeling distracted,

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even if we're not feeling like doing something emotionally,

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or if we are, you know, completely overwhelmed

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by other events.

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If the neural circuits are task bracketing,

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are deeply embedded in us,

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meaning they are very robust around a particular habit,

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well then it's likely that we're going to go out

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for that zone II cardio no matter what,

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that we're going to brush our teeth no matter what.

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I'm fact, brushing our teeth is a pretty good example

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because, for most people,

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even if you got a terrible night's sleep,

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even If everything in your life is going wrong,

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chances are, unless you're very depressed,

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if you're going to leave to work,

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or even if you're not,

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that you're going to still carry out the behavior

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of brushing your teeth in the morning.

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I would hope so, actually.

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But you are probably less likely

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to perform particular habits

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that are not what you deem as necessary.

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But if you think about it,

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brushing your teeth, exercise, eating particular foods,

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maybe engaging socially in particular ways,

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you are the one that places any kind of value assessment

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on which ones are essential,

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and which ones are negotiable.

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So task-bracketing sets a neural imprint,

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a kind of a finger print in your brain,

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of this thing has to happen at this particular time of day

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so much so that it's reflexive.

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And as we'll talk about in a moment,

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there's a way that you can build up task-bracketing

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so that regardless of what it is you're trying to learn,

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there's a much higher probability

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that you're going to do that thing.

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And when I say learn,

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meaning let's say you're trying to acquire a habit

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that for you is really challenging.

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Maybe it's that you're going to write for an hour a day

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on a book project that you've been thinking about

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or you're going to work on mathematics,

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or you're going to do any sort of thing

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that for you there's a lot of limbic friction.

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While it is important to think about the sequence of events

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that would be required in order to engage in that behavior,

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that procedural memory visualization exercise

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we talked about before, that will help,

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there's a way also that you can orient your nervous system

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towards this task-bracketing process,

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so that your nervous system is shifted

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or oriented towards the execution of a given habit.

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So this is sort of like warming up your body to exercise.

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When the dorsolateral striatum is engaged,

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your body and you brain are primed to execute a habit

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and that you get to consciously insert

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which habit you want to perform.

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So in order to leverage the neural mechanisms

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of task-bracketing,

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in order to increase the likelihood

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that you're going to perform a particular habit,

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I have to break it to you

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that one thing that you've probably heard over and over

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about habit formation

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is not true.

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And what I'm referring to is this idea

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that if you're very specific about exactly when you're going

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to perform a particular habit,

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that you're more likely to perform that habit.

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And while that is true in the short term,

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it is not true in the long term.

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And the reason for that is that our nervous system tends

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to generate particular kinds of behavior

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based not on time, but on our state.

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Meaning what level of activation is taking place

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in our brain and body.

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How much focus we happen to have,

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how fatigued we are, how energized we are.

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So while schedules are important,

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it's not the particular time of day per se

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that's going to allow you to get into a habit,

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and form that habit, and consolidate that habit.

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Rather, it's the state that your brain

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and body are in that's important to anchor yourself to.

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So now I'm going to offer you a tool.

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It's actually an entire program

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by which you can insert particular habits and activities

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at particular phases of the day,

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not times of day, but phases of the day,

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because it turns out that particular phases of the day

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are associated with particular biological underpinnings,

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chemicals and neural circuits and so forth,

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and in doing so it will make it far more likely

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that you will be able to regularly engage in these habits

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and activities over a long period of time.

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And whether or not that will move you from somebody

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who ordinarily would take 200 days to form a habit

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to one of those 18 days to habit people

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in that earlier study I mentioned, I don't know.

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But I am certain that will have a significant shift

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on allowing you to engage in particular habits more easily

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and to consolidate those habits more quickly.

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So the program I am about to describe,

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I formulated for you based on the neuroscience literature,

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and the psychology literature of learning,

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and this concepts of task-bracketing.

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It involves the 24 hour days into what I call three phases.

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The first is phase one,

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which is 0 to 8 hours after waking up, approximately.

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Okay, you can put a plus or minus 30 minutes on this

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for yourself.

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The second phase is the 9 to 14, maybe 15 hours

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after you wake up.

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And the third phase is 16 to 24 hours after waking up.

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So we've taken the 24 hour cycle,

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we've carved it up into three phases,

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phase one, phase two, and phase three.

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Now, everything I'm describing,

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or at least the way I'm going to describe it,

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is based on what I would call a typical schedule,

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diurnal schedule.

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You've heard of nocturnal?

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Well, we are diurnal.

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Most of us are asleep at night and awake during the day.

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I do realize that a number of people have shift work

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or they have newborns or other reasons

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why they have to be up in the middle of the night

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and sleeping during the day.

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If that's the case,

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please listen to the episode we did on jet-lag

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and shift work because that has a lot of tools

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specifically for that population.

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But most people go to sleep somewhere around 10:00 PM,

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plus or minus two hours,

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and wake up some time around 7:00 AM,

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plus or minus two hours.

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So today, I'm going to use the to bed at 10:00 PM

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and a wake up time of 7:00 AM as the framework for this,

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but you could adopt it easily to your particular schedule.

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Phase one, which again, is 0 to 8 hours after waking,

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has a particular neurochemical signature.

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Regardless of what you do,

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the neuromodulators norepinephrine

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as well as epinephrine,

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so that's noradrenaline and adrenaline,

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as well as the neuromodulator dopamine

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tend to be elevated during that first 0 to 8 hours

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after waking.

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There are a number of reasons for this related to the fact

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that also cortisol is higher in our brain and bloodstream,

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it's a healthy level of cortisol upon waking,

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body temperature is increased, et cetera.

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And there's several things

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that perhaps we should all be doing,

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I've talked about many of these on the podcast before,

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that in addition to those chemicals,

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further support an alert and focused state.

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And I'll just list those off.

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I've done many podcasts on each of these

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if you'd like to access those podcasts you can find them

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in the menu of podcasts on YouTube,

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Apple, Spotify, et cetera.

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They involve, for instance,

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viewing sunlight or bright artificial light

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if you can't access sunlight,

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within the first 30 minutes of waking.

Time: 2495.67

Physical exercise of some kind

Time: 2497.443

in this phase of the day, 0 to 8 hours of the day,

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ideally pretty early in that phase,

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but, you know,

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if it has to be at the 7 to 8 hour transition point

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that's fine too.

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Cold exposure in the form of cold showers or ice baths

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or outside with minimal clothing,

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appropriate yet minimal clothing.

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Caffeine ingestion.

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Fasting, for instance, not ingesting calories,

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also will lend itself to increased norepinephrine

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and dopamine, et cetera.

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If you are going to consume foods,

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foods that are rich in things like tyrosine,

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which is a precursor for dopamine.

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You can look up foods that are high in tyrosine.

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And for those of you that are interested in supplementation

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and like to use those routes,

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things like alpha GPC or phenylethylamine, think,

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or L-tyrosine,

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if that's in keeping with what you're able to do.

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Of course, consult your doctor

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if you're going to rely on supplementation.

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What's this all about?

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Well, the already elevated norepinephrine

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and dopamine, the sunlight, exercise,

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cold exposure, caffeine, tyrosine, et cetera,

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all of those place the brain and body into a state

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in which you are better able,

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or I would say, more easily able,

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to engage in activities

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that have a high degree limbic friction

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and where you need to override that limbic friction.

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Right? We've heard that the morning is kind of sacred,

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conquer the hardest things first thing in the morning,

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and that's been discussed in the pop psychology literature

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and in the habit formation literature

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merely from the perspective of

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get it out of the way so you can feel good

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about having done it.

Time: 2593.49

But what I'm referring to is quite different.

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What I'm referring to is a particular phase of day

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that after rising, after waking up, that is,

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for 0 to 8 hours, right, in that first phase,

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your whole system is action and focus oriented.

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And we know that when you're action and focus oriented

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and because of the neurochemicals

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that are naturally released in your brain and body

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that you will be more likely to overcome any limbic friction

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that stands in the way of performing particular habits.

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So, as you list out or think about the various habits

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that you'd like to adopt in your life, take the habits

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for which you know there's the highest degree

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of limbic friction,

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they are the hardest for you to engage in,

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they require the most activation energy,

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and put those in this 0 to 8 hours after waking.

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This will greatly facilitate your performance

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of those new habits.

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I'm certain of that.

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And in addition to that,

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by doing them in this particular phase of the day,

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not necessarily the same time,

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I mean, if you want to be very habitual,

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and you want to do, you know, the exercise,

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or the sunlight viewing always at the same time,

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or you want to do,

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you want to drink your caffeine

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always at the exact same time, that's fine,

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but by placing them in this broader window

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of 0 to 8 hours after waking,

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what you're doing is you're creating task-bracketing.

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You're making it such that your nervous system

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will predict when you are going to lean in

Time: 2677.14

against limbic friction

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in order to perform particular types of habits.

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And this is very different than saying,

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"I'm always going to run" or,

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"I'm always going to study from 10 to 12 AM every morning."

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That's great, and if you can do that, terrific.

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But the literature indicates that people who do that,

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who are very rigid about when they do things tend,

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because of context dependence,

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to not necessarily stick to those habits over time.

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Some people do, but many, many people don't.

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So think about the hardest habits to form

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and the habits that you most want to form

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that are hardest for you to adopt and to maintain

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and I highly suggest placing those somewhere

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within this phase one of 0 to 8 hours after waking.

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Now of course, some of the things I listed out,

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sunlight viewing, exercise, cold exposure,

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caffeine, fasting,

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those might be the actual habits themselves,

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but here I realize, or rather I want to acknowledge

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that many people, including myself,

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are doing some or all of these things already

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and many people, including myself,

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are trying to adopt new habits

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that don't fall into the category

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of just trying to set your overall state.

Time: 2742.82

Again, norepinephrine, dopamine,

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and all these neural systems

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will be greatly elevated in this 0 to 8 hours after waking.

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However, the other things I mentioned,

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sunlight exposure, exercise, cold exposure,

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caffeine, fasting, if that's for you,

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or if you're eating during that phase,

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eating things that contain some

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or elevated levels of tyrosine,

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maybe supplementing alpha GPC or L-tyrosine, et cetera.

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All of those things further facilitate the neurochemistry

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and therefore the state of mind

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that's going to be ideal for leaning into limbic friction

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and overriding that limbic friction

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so that you can regularly perform that habit.

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What we're really talking about here

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is leveraging neural systems

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in order to help you make it more likely

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that you're going to be able to engage

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and maintain a particular habit.

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So what I'm referring to as phase one of each day is useful

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for acquiring certain habits,

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but there are other phases of the day,

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and those turn out to be useful

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for acquiring other types of habits.

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Phase two, as I mentioned, is about,

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again these aren't specifics,

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but about 9 to 14 or 15 hours after waking.

Time: 2807.442

During this phase of the day,

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because of the circadian shifts in our biology,

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the amount of dopamine and norepinephrine

Time: 2815.29

that's circulating in our brain

Time: 2816.57

and bloodstream tends to start to come down

Time: 2819.809

and levels of cortisol tend to start to come down.

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That's the ideal circumstance.

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In fact,

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you don't really want elevated cortisol late in the day.

Time: 2828.01

That's actually a signature of depression

Time: 2829.73

and anxiety and a number of other unfortunate things.

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So, 9 to 14 hours after waking dopamine

Time: 2838.23

and norepinephrine and cortisol are starting to taper down,

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just naturally.

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And a different neuromodulator, serotonin,

Time: 2845.28

is starting to rise.

Time: 2846.427

Serotonin is definitely going to be highest

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in this second half of the day

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and tends to lend itself to a more relaxed state of being.

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Now of course,

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I do realize that some people are less of morning people

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and do find that they really come alive

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and awake in the afternoon,

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but most people don't fall into that category.

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Most people feel more alert early in the day,

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even anxious early in the day,

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and then, as the afternoon progresses,

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they tend to be a bit more sleepy, a bit more relaxed,

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a bit more calm.

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There's certain things that we all can

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and should do during this phase two of each day

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that lend themselves to a state of mind

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and a state of body that is going to be beneficial

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for the generation and consolidation

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of certain types of habits.

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What are those things?

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First of all, as the day goes on,

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you should try if you can

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to start tapering the amount of light that you're viewing.

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Now, this doesn't mean putting yourself

Time: 2900.197

into dim light at 3 o'clock 4 o'clock in the afternoon.

Time: 2905.775

That's certainly not the case.

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Simply that you want to start tapering off the amount

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of really bright light that you're getting,

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unless it's sunlight.

Time: 2911.792

Talked about this before on the podcast,

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but if you haven't heard,

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viewing the sun as it's at what we call low solar angle

Time: 2919.06

so it's headed toward the horizon,

Time: 2921.14

you don't necessarily have to watch the sunset,

Time: 2922.93

although that can be nice.

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But getting some sun light in your eyes

Time: 2925.55

in the second half of the day can also be beneficial

Time: 2927.69

for a number of brain systems and psychological systems

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so you can get some some light in your eyes,

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you can certainly have artificial lights on,

Time: 2935.53

but you want to start dimming those lights

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and bringing them actually physically lower in the room

Time: 2939.68

because the neurons in your eye

Time: 2941.76

that view the upper visual field

Time: 2944.4

they actually trigger this alertness mechanism

Time: 2946.78

in the brain and body.

Time: 2947.613

And in the second half of the day,

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even if you're humming around and doing work at 3

Time: 2951.71

or 4 or 5 or even 7 PM,

Time: 2953.825

you are probably headed toward sleep a few hours later,

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so things like limiting the total amount of light

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if you can,

Time: 2961.08

things like NSDR, non-sleep deep rest,

Time: 2964.21

another thing that I've talked about on this podcast.

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If you haven't heard about this before,

Time: 2967.43

non-sleep deep rest is an umbrella term

Time: 2969.38

for things like meditation, for Yoga Nidra,

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a very powerful science supported tool

Time: 2975.31

for teaching you how to relax,

Time: 2977.437

things like self-hypnosis

Time: 2979.25

which might sound a little kooky to some of you,

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but actually is a clinically based tool

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for which there's a lot of scientific literature.

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If you're interested in that

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there's a great free resource called Reverie,

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R E V E R I E .com.

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There's a app for both Apple and Android.

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This is an app that was developed by colleagues of mine

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and researchers at Stanford School of Medicine.

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You can do these short 15 self hypnosis script,

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as they're called.

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They can teach you how to relax yourself,

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there's even one for focus, for sleep, for chronic pain,

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Again, all very strongly supported

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by quality peer-reviewed literature.

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So things like Reverie, meditation,

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things like heat and sauna, hot baths, hot showers.

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Those are terrific things to do in the second half

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of the day,

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they tend to support this serotonergic,

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or high serotonin like state

Time: 3025.99

and lend themselves to more calm and relaxation.

Time: 3029.7

For those that are interested in supplementation,

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there's always ashwagandha,

Time: 3033.51

which reduces cortisol,

Time: 3035.61

again peaks in cortisol late in the afternoon

Time: 3038.03

and evening are associated with depression,

Time: 3039.8

anxiety, and so forth.

Time: 3040.94

Ashwagandha has a pretty potent cortisol inhibiting tool.

Time: 3046.179

I personally don't use it very often

Time: 3048.79

and I caution people about using it

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for longer than two-week periods of time

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without taking some breaks.

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You can look up more about ashwagandha on examine.com.

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There's a lot of traffic literature

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with links to studies there.

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But basically this phase two of the day

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is one in which you're alert, you are present

Time: 3064.26

you are working, you are engaging socially,

Time: 3066.18

you're cooking dinner probably,

Time: 3067.47

paying attention to a number of things,

Time: 3069.1

but you should really be trying

Time: 3070.11

to taper off your stress level.

Time: 3071.93

So how do you leverage phase two of the day

Time: 3073.82

for habit formation?

Time: 3075.325

Well, given what we know

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about the neurochemistry of learning and memory,

Time: 3078.67

given what we know about task formation

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and its reliance on certain forms of neuroplasticity,

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the second half of the day is a terrific time

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to take on habits and things that you're already doing

Time: 3090.95

that require very little override of limbic friction.

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So these might be things that categorize in common terms

Time: 3098.77

as kind of mellower activities.

Time: 3100.27

It might be journaling,

Time: 3101.439

it might be that you already are performing music

Time: 3106.11

or I should say, practicing music regularly,

Time: 3108.371

but there's a particular type of music

Time: 3110.54

that is hard for you

Time: 3111.7

or that you're working on a particular piece of music,

Time: 3113.58

or you're trying to learn a language.

Time: 3114.63

Something that's a little bit challenging,

Time: 3116.11

but doesn't require a ton of energy

Time: 3118.91

in order to override that limbic friction.

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The second half of the day is a much better time to do that.

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Less resistance, as we might say.

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But of course, resistance has a neural substrate

Time: 3128.699

and the reason for doing those things

Time: 3130.65

in the second part of the day, the so-called phase two,

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as I've called it, part of the day is

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because your ability

Time: 3136.39

to override resistance is really diminished

Time: 3139.04

in this second phase of the day.

Time: 3140.999

Some of you might say,

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"Whoa wait,"

Time: 3143.28

"I like to exercise in the second half of the day."

Time: 3145.227

"That's actually when I have the most energy."

Time: 3146.897

"That's when I feel warmer"

Time: 3148.467

"I'm not a morning exerciser."

Time: 3149.8

That's absolutely fine,

Time: 3151.77

but what I'm referring to is the acquisition

Time: 3153.63

of new behaviors

Time: 3154.736

and placing those consistently at the second half of the day

Time: 3158.43

in order to engage these task-bracketing mechanisms

Time: 3161.05

that I talked about before.

Time: 3162.583

One of the hallmark features

Time: 3164.67

of those basal ganglia circuits for go

Time: 3166.78

and no-go is that they are associated

Time: 3169.13

with certain neurochemicals, dopamine and serotonin,

Time: 3172.2

acetylcholine, and other neurochemicals.

Time: 3174.28

And by placing particular habits

Time: 3176.681

at particular phases of the day,

Time: 3178.71

those neurochemical states start to be associated

Time: 3181.22

with the leaning in and the process of beginning,

Time: 3184.02

and as I mentioned, ending those particular habits.

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And in doing so they shift the whole nervous system

Time: 3189.73

toward being able to predict

Time: 3190.881

that certain things are going to happen

Time: 3192.81

at particular times a day,

Time: 3194.56

that you're going to be leaning very hard

Time: 3196.68

against limbic friction early in the day in phase one,

Time: 3199.15

and that you're going to be doing things

Time: 3200.37

that require less conscious override of limbic friction

Time: 3203.59

in phase two.

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And in doing so, set up task-bracketing system

Time: 3207.294

so that the individual habits that you're learning

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or that you're trying to learn

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have a much greater probability of being executed

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and consolidated,

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meaning that pretty soon that they

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will just naturally become reflexive.

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And as with phase one, many of the things that I mentioned

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that support this, what I'm calling a serotonergic state

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or more relaxed state in phase two,

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things like seeing sunlight in the afternoon,

Time: 3232.751

but not a lot of bright light from artificial sources,

Time: 3236.64

things like NSDR,

Time: 3238.05

things like heat and sauna,

Time: 3240.284

hot baths et cetera, ashwagandha,

Time: 3242.542

again all of those things themselves could be habits

Time: 3245.21

that you're trying to adopt, right?

Time: 3246.98

In that case, do those if you'd like to explore them.

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They are quite beneficial for a number of reasons,

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not just related to execution of particular habits

Time: 3255.51

in phase two of the day,

Time: 3256.87

but also for improving quality of sleep

Time: 3259.32

and consolidating any learning

Time: 3260.98

that you might have triggered earlier in the day.

Time: 3262.6

I've talked about that before,

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but just briefly, as a relevant aside,

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neuroplasticity involves triggering the neural plasticity,

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setting it in motion,

Time: 3271.46

but the actual rewiring of the brain

Time: 3273.67

and the reconfiguration of neurons

Time: 3275.17

that will allow that learning to be reflexive,

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that actually occurs during states of deep rest,

Time: 3279.43

like an NSDR and like deep sleep.

Time: 3282.389

And I should just mention,

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for those of you that can only exercise

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or prefer to exercise in phase two of the day, right,

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9 to 14 hours or 15 hours after waking,

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that's absolutely fine.

Time: 3294.599

However, because of the importance of sleep

Time: 3297.708

and in particular deep sleep throughout the night

Time: 3300.25

for not just neuroplasticity,

Time: 3301.87

but recovery of muscle and other tissues

Time: 3304.346

that are taxed during physical exercise,

Time: 3307.601

if you do train in phase two,

Time: 3310.26

I highly recommend, highly recommend

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that you start doing some NSDR activity after you train,

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within an hour or two,

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because that will allow you to taper down and relax

Time: 3319.68

so that you can get into the next phase we're going

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to talk about, which is phase three.

Time: 3323.71

Phase three of the 24-hour schedule runs

Time: 3327.03

from about 16 to 24 hours after waking.

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During that period of time,

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there are few things

Time: 3334.01

that are going to support being in a state of mind,

Time: 3336.595

state of body that are going to allow neuroplasticity

Time: 3340.91

to occur, that are going to allow the rewiring

Time: 3343.31

that you've triggered during the waking part of the day

Time: 3345.88

to actually take place.

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Those things are very low to no light,

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meaning keeping your environment very dark

Time: 3353.39

or very, very dim.

Time: 3354.586

I don't think it's necessary to sleep in a room

Time: 3357.62

that's complete blackness.

Time: 3359.069

I think that's a little bit overkill,

Time: 3361.235

but for most people keeping the room dark

Time: 3363.836

and keeping the room temperature low is very beneficial

Time: 3367.92

for getting and staying in deep sleep.

Time: 3370.965

The body has to drop by about 1 to 3 degrees

Time: 3374.08

in order to get into sleep and stay asleep,

Time: 3376.77

so low light, low temperature environment,

Time: 3379.55

you can always pile on blankets of course

Time: 3381.38

if you don't want to be cold at night,

Time: 3383.2

you want to be warm enough,

Time: 3384.37

but you want your environment to be cold.

Time: 3386.5

Typically people aren't eating in the middle of the night,

Time: 3389.217

although one thing that can be useful is to make sure

Time: 3392.43

that you're at least well-fed enough

Time: 3394.72

when you head into this third phase of every 24-hour day

Time: 3398.1

that you're not awake because you're hungry.

Time: 3400.56

A lot of people recommend putting a gap

Time: 3402.65

between your final bite of food

Time: 3404.01

and when you got to sleep at night.

Time: 3405.46

Some people say that gap should be 4 hours,

Time: 3407.51

other people say 2 hours,

Time: 3409.35

if you're me, I generally have something, I don't know,

Time: 3411.47

within 2 hours or 90 minutes of going to sleep,

Time: 3414.19

but it's not a big meal, but that's just me,

Time: 3415.32

and I fall asleep and stay asleep fine with that.

Time: 3417.591

You have to experiment for yourself.

Time: 3419.494

I've talked about supplements

Time: 3421.48

that can support sleep in previous episode of the podcast,

Time: 3424.13

things like magnesium threonate,

Time: 3425.86

or magnesium bisglycinate,

Time: 3427.5

things like theonine, apigenin.

Time: 3429.97

If you'd like to read more about those,

Time: 3431.67

we actually have a newsletter

Time: 3432.97

that I'll just quickly refer you to

Time: 3434.46

this is the Huberman Lab Neural Network Newsletter,

Time: 3437.63

you can sign up for it by going to hubermanlab.com,

Time: 3440.01

it's very easy to find,

Time: 3441.34

but even if you don't sign up,

Time: 3443.38

you can go to the toolkit for sleep that's listed there

Time: 3446.41

and that tool kit is not just supplements,

Time: 3448.21

that tool kit is a number of different things,

Time: 3449.98

both behavioral and supplement-based

Time: 3452.8

and nutrition-based, et cetera,

Time: 3454.44

that can allow you to get in to sleep

Time: 3457.12

and to stay asleep more readily.

Time: 3458.71

It's totally zero cost,

Time: 3459.82

you can find that again at hubermanlab.com.

Time: 3461.88

So things like low light, low temperature,

Time: 3463.535

the supplements I mentioned,

Time: 3464.869

adjusting your eating schedule appropriately,

Time: 3467.263

obviously not drinking caffeine in the middle of the night

Time: 3470.13

or too close to bed,

Time: 3471.03

that's going to be critical.

Time: 3471.94

In fact, ideally you wouldn't ingest any caffeine

Time: 3474.98

in phase two of the day,

Time: 3476.66

so that you could get into this deeper state of rest

Time: 3479.003

in which habit formation and neural plasticity can occur.

Time: 3484.42

What if you wake up?

Time: 3485.85

The way I've cast phase three is

Time: 3487.69

that you're supposed to be in this deep slumber,

Time: 3489.73

you're not supposed to wake up at all,

Time: 3491.42

you're supposed to be in low light

Time: 3492.65

and your brain is rewiring

Time: 3493.84

and those habits are getting consolidated, et cetera.

Time: 3496.74

Well, if you're like me,

Time: 3497.803

you probably get up once in the middle of the night.

Time: 3499.59

Maybe go use the restroom.

Time: 3500.66

Perfectly normal, perfectly normal,

Time: 3502.39

but a lot of people have trouble falling back asleep.

Time: 3504.473

Very important if you get up in the middle of the night

Time: 3506.9

to use a minimum of light

Time: 3508.16

in order to navigate your surroundings,

Time: 3509.68

just as much as you need in order to safely do so,

Time: 3512.23

because light inhibits hormone melatonin,

Time: 3515.236

can make it very hard to fall back to sleep

Time: 3517.19

if you inhibit melatonin.

Time: 3518.87

The effects of light inhibiting melatonin

Time: 3520.186

are actually very potent.

Time: 3521.6

It happens very, very quickly,

Time: 3523.2

so try and keep the lights low.

Time: 3524.63

And you have trouble falling back asleep,

Time: 3527.44

that's when you might also want to use something

Time: 3529.58

like a Reverie app,

Time: 3530.713

they have a sleep script there

Time: 3532.36

that can hopefully help you get back to sleep.

Time: 3534.49

Or something like NSDR,

Time: 3535.89

you can find NSDR scripts on YouTube.

Time: 3537.93

These are zero cost.

Time: 3539.26

You can look up one

Time: 3540.093

that I particularly like is NSDR Madefor.

Time: 3542.34

It's a company I'm associated with,

Time: 3544.04

but the NSDR is completely zero cost,

Time: 3546.35

and there are other things,

Time: 3547.67

like Yoga Nidra, which you can find scripts for elsewhere.

Time: 3550.32

Again, all of these habits or these behaviors,

Time: 3553.04

these do's and don'ts around phase three,

Time: 3554.81

themselves might be habits

Time: 3557.37

that you're trying to create for yourself.

Time: 3559.58

But again, phase three is really about making sure

Time: 3561.84

that whatever limbic friction you've been able

Time: 3564.14

to override in phase one

Time: 3565.68

and trigger some new habit, right?

Time: 3567.35

Forcing yourself to write

Time: 3569.87

or forcing yourself to study

Time: 3571.09

or forcing yourself to exercise

Time: 3572.51

during that high limbic friction state.

Time: 3574.708

And then whatever things you've been doing in phase two,

Time: 3577.2

which are habits

Time: 3578.11

that hopefully have moved a little bit further

Time: 3579.72

along the continuum of newly-formed

Time: 3582.18

versus all the way to reflexive,

Time: 3583.712

or things that take less limbic friction in in order to do.

Time: 3586.376

Phase three is when all of that gets really locked

Time: 3589.62

into the nervous system

Time: 3590.5

through those Hebbian mechanisms,

Time: 3592.25

like NMDA receptors, et cetera,

Time: 3594.1

that I talked about before.

Time: 3595.1

Again, neuroplasticity is the basis of habit formation

Time: 3598.74

and neuroplasticity and the rewiring of neural circuits

Time: 3601.24

happens in these states of deep sleep.

Time: 3602.81

So if you're not obeying this phase three,

Time: 3606.411

if you're not giving phase three the material it needs,

Time: 3610.36

and you're and you're not avoiding the certain things,

Time: 3612.07

like caffeine and bright light and stress during phase 3,

Time: 3616.21

you're simply not going to be able to build those habits

Time: 3618.824

that you've been working so hard to trigger in phase one

Time: 3621.737

and phase two of the day.

Time: 3624.2

Again, these are things

Time: 3625.57

that I've talked about previous episodes of the podcast

Time: 3628.24

and elsewhere, but really this is about habit formation.

Time: 3631.718

And the whole reason

Time: 3633.163

for placing particular types of behaviors

Time: 3635.586

at particular phases of the day is to set a framework

Time: 3639.562

for that task-bracketing.

Time: 3641.78

Again, task-bracketing

Time: 3643.47

and the circuits of the basal ganglia

Time: 3645.52

indicate that it's not just the neural circuits

Time: 3648.19

that are engaged by the task itself,

Time: 3651.34

but the neural circuits that are engaged before

Time: 3654.32

and after that task execution.

Time: 3657.6

That's what gets consolidated.

Time: 3659.64

So when you do things that particular phases of the day,

Time: 3662.647

under particular conditions of neurochemistry,

Time: 3665.93

what you're doing is

Time: 3666.763

you're giving the brain a very predictable set of sequences

Time: 3669.6

that during sleep it can start to put into your hard drive,

Time: 3673.7

if you will.

Time: 3674.533

It can really program it into your nervous system,

Time: 3676.57

so that within a short period of time,

Time: 3678.81

hopefully within 18 or maybe even 6 days

Time: 3682.25

or who knows? Maybe even fewer days,

Time: 3684.19

you'll find that executing those behaviors is very,

Time: 3687.25

very straightforward for you

Time: 3688.49

and that you won't have to feel so much limbic friction

Time: 3692.01

or override so much limbic friction.

Time: 3694.15

Some of you are probably asking, okay,

Time: 3696.156

if I perform a particular habit during phase one,

Time: 3700.273

and then I do other habits during phase two,

Time: 3702.96

and I eventually get to the point

Time: 3704.46

where I'm engaging in those habits

Time: 3706.37

in a pretty effortless way,

Time: 3708.874

do I keep them in the same phase of the day?

Time: 3711.58

And the good news is, the literature says it doesn't matter.

Time: 3714.58

And in fact,

Time: 3715.413

moving that particular habit around somewhat randomly

Time: 3718.79

can actually be beneficial to you

Time: 3720.24

because actually moving it from one time a day

Time: 3722.59

to the other is that context independence

Time: 3725.24

that we really are seeking.

Time: 3727.113

By being able to do the same thing that we want to do

Time: 3731.03

regardless of time of day or circumstances

Time: 3733.91

that's how we know

Time: 3734.86

that we've achieved a real habit formation,

Time: 3737.18

that's how we know that the habit has been moved

Time: 3739.81

into certain components of our neural circuity

Time: 3741.89

that just allow us to do it

Time: 3743.19

what seems like reflexively.

Time: 3744.56

Although earlier I pointed out

Time: 3745.68

that these aren't reflexes in the traditional sense.

Time: 3748.477

The reason for that is that this brain area,

Time: 3752.034

the hippocampus, that many of you know is associated

Time: 3754.96

with learning and memory,

Time: 3755.96

is not actually where memories are stored.

Time: 3758.34

The hippocampus is where memories are formed,

Time: 3760.74

it's where procedures, like we talked about before,

Time: 3763.21

procedural memory of how you're going

Time: 3764.66

to execute a particular sequence,

Time: 3766.21

where that's maintained.

Time: 3767.74

So like if we use the recipe model,

Time: 3769.61

that's where the recipe is maintained

Time: 3771.55

until you know how to cook that dish

Time: 3773.72

and then the procedural memory literally migrates off

Time: 3777.939

into a different set of neural circuits,

Time: 3780.24

which are the neural circuits of the neocortex

Time: 3782.5

where we have maps of sensory experience,

Time: 3785.58

maps of all kinds experiences,

Time: 3788.156

including motor maps of how to execute things.

Time: 3790.46

So we use one part of the brain to learn something,

Time: 3793

but then that information,

Time: 3794.48

in the form of the electrical activity of neurons,

Time: 3796.93

is passed off to a different brain area.

Time: 3800.09

Now, the neurons themselves don't move

Time: 3801.96

from the hippocampus to the cortex,

Time: 3803.45

that doesn't happen.

Time: 3804.283

What happens is the signals,

Time: 3806.35

the sequence of electrical firing,

Time: 3808.06

much like a script for a movie

Time: 3811.2

or the notes on a sheet of paper

Time: 3813.791

for a particular musical piece

Time: 3816.041

is transferred off to a different brain area.

Time: 3818.644

So, that whole process

Time: 3820.97

of really leaning into something that's hard,

Time: 3822.767

and then it becoming easier,

Time: 3824.09

and then eventually that things becoming more

Time: 3825.79

or less reflexive involves a migration

Time: 3828.1

of the information in the brain.

Time: 3829.743

And once it's migrated out

Time: 3831.651

to a different location in the brain,

Time: 3833.73

at that point it's achieved context-independence.

Time: 3837

It doesn't have to be bracketed by, you know,

Time: 3840.51

your caffeine and your lunch.

Time: 3842.1

It doesn't have to occur immediately

Time: 3845

after your afternoon NSDR,

Time: 3846.81

but before your four O'clock meeting on Zoom,

Time: 3849.78

or something of that sort.

Time: 3851.1

So all this is to say

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that once something has become reflexive,

Time: 3855.358

you should play with it a little bit about time of day.

Time: 3858.17

If you want to keep it in the same phase of day, great.

Time: 3860.866

But if you one day decide

Time: 3862.736

you're going to exercise in the afternoon,

Time: 3864.457

the next day you decide

Time: 3865.95

you're going to exercise in the morning,

Time: 3866.98

and that's the habit that you're concerned with,

Time: 3869.5

that's terrific.

Time: 3870.333

If you're able to do that, that means

Time: 3871.166

that it's truly achieved context-independence.

Time: 3872.84

It means that you have officially formed that habit.

Time: 3875.4

And as I mentioned earlier,

Time: 3876.909

much earlier at the beginning of the episode,

Time: 3879.258

the strength of a habit is dictated by

Time: 3881.88

how much limbic friction, that was one,

Time: 3885.282

and how much context dependence there is.

Time: 3888.65

So when it doesn't take much activation energy

Time: 3891.31

to get into the execution of that habit

Time: 3893.47

and you can do it in any context, well,

Time: 3895.89

then you have formed a habit.

Time: 3897.558

We really can't have a discussion about learning anything,

Time: 3899.887

habits or otherwise,

Time: 3901.811

unless we talk about reward prediction error.

Time: 3904.931

Reward prediction error is associated

Time: 3907.8

with the molecule dopamine,

Time: 3909.28

although I should say there are other neurochemicals

Time: 3911.56

in our brain and body

Time: 3912.42

that are also related to reward prediction error.

Time: 3915.436

But reward prediction error is a very good system,

Time: 3920.197

or I should say, a lens through which to think about,

Time: 3922.92

whether or not we should reward ourselves

Time: 3925.26

for performing a given habit.

Time: 3927.68

And this is a much larger discussion

Time: 3929.29

that actually relates to things like parenting

Time: 3931.33

and self-regulation.

Time: 3932.72

You know, should we reward kids just for effort?

Time: 3935.174

Should we reward ourselves just for effort?

Time: 3937.86

What should we reward?

Time: 3938.78

How much should we reward ourselves?

Time: 3940.14

When should we withdraw reward?

Time: 3941.8

Should we use punishment?

Time: 3942.93

These kinds of things.

Time: 3943.763

This is a vast literature.

Time: 3944.776

We don't have time to go into all the details,

Time: 3947.15

but the notion of reward prediction error is so powerful

Time: 3951.246

that it can predict most

Time: 3953.41

if not all forms of learning, including habit formation.

Time: 3956.63

And you can deploy or use particular features

Time: 3959.53

of reward prediction error

Time: 3961.09

if you would like to reinforce

Time: 3963.28

or accelerate the formation of certain habits.

Time: 3967.22

So, reward prediction error, quite simply, is

Time: 3971.124

if you expect a reward and the reward comes,

Time: 3975.137

a particular behavior that was associated

Time: 3978.01

with generating that reward is more likely

Time: 3980.35

to occur again.

Time: 3981.51

That's pretty straight forward.

Time: 3983.38

However, the amount of reward,

Time: 3986.68

in the form of this molecule dopamine,

Time: 3989.12

that you will experience is even greater

Time: 3991.96

if a reward arrives that's unexpected. Okay.

Time: 3997.36

So let me repeat that again.

Time: 3998.84

If I think that something's coming that's going to be great,

Time: 4003.532

let's say I lean into a habit,

Time: 4006.23

I manage to override my limbic friction,

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and I'm doing my 45 minutes of writing in the morning

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with no phone and no internet

Time: 4012.77

and I'm getting toward the end,

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and I'm anticipating how I'm actually doing this,

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this is great, I did it,

Time: 4016.59

I'm feeling really, really good.

Time: 4018.47

I finish, I definitely will receive a dopamine reward,

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I'll make my own dopamine reward,

Time: 4024.61

that's where it comes from.

Time: 4025.443

Remember, this is all internal.

Time: 4027.069

However, I will also receive a dopamine reward

Time: 4030.24

if unexpectedly something positive happens.

Time: 4034.66

And typically if something unexpected

Time: 4037.68

but positive happens,

Time: 4039.05

the amount of dopamine reward

Time: 4040.67

that we get is actually much greater

Time: 4042.25

than in any other conditions.

Time: 4044.36

However, it's hard to surprise yourself

Time: 4046.59

about a behavior that you're deliberately engaging in.

Time: 4049.16

So that becomes a bit of a tricky one.

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Reward prediction error also says

Time: 4054.38

that if we expect a reward and the reward doesn't come

Time: 4059.8

that the pattern of dopamine release

Time: 4061.59

will follow a particular contour

Time: 4063.99

and that contour is very important.

Time: 4065.55

Here's how it goes.

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Let's say that I'm writing

Time: 4070.14

and I'm about 30 or 45 minutes in,

Time: 4072.72

I'm thinking, "Ah, this is great."

Time: 4074.638

"I'm actually, I managed to do this"

Time: 4076.073

"I'm succeeding in executing the behaviors"

Time: 4078.657

"that I need to in order to perform this habit."

Time: 4081.657

"I'm overriding limbic friction."

Time: 4083.696

Just that series of thoughts will start

Time: 4086.43

to generate the dopamine release within my brain and body.

Time: 4089.72

However, if at the 15 minute mark the phone rings

Time: 4094.67

and I pick up the phone

Time: 4096.28

or I break my own protocol, I break my own self-discipline

Time: 4100.38

and I go on and check social media

Time: 4102.64

or I do something that takes me out of that,

Time: 4105.31

what's going to happen is

Time: 4107.32

that my level of dopamine is actually going

Time: 4110.267

to drop below the baseline,

Time: 4111.84

meaning below the level of dopamine I had

Time: 4114.06

before I even started the habit execution. Okay?

Time: 4118.23

So what this is, is this system that predicts whether

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or not rewards are going to come.

Time: 4123.886

When we think a reward is going to come,

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it starts to actually arrive earlier

Time: 4128.68

in the form of dopamine release.

Time: 4130.04

This is the feeling

Time: 4131.56

that we experience as positive anticipation.

Time: 4135.03

You tell a kid,

Time: 4135.863

"Hey, we're going to go to the amusement park." Or

Time: 4137.527

"We're going to go get ice cream."

Time: 4139.02

They haven't had the ice cream yet,

Time: 4140.3

they're not at the amusement park,

Time: 4141.61

but they're excited, the dopamine release comes earlier.

Time: 4144.58

Okay? They get to the amusement park

Time: 4146.07

or they get the ice cream,

Time: 4147.04

they will also have some dopamine release

Time: 4149.39

associated with that.

Time: 4150.443

But most of it, believe it or not,

Time: 4152.51

came in the form of the anticipation.

Time: 4154.53

And dopamine has some qualities

Time: 4155.93

that make the actual ice cream

Time: 4157.43

and the actual amusement park experience more pleasurable

Time: 4160.44

than it would be had that dopamine release not happened.

Time: 4164.04

Now of course, the other way to do is to surprise a kid.

Time: 4166.1

You tell them,

Time: 4166.933

"Listen, we're going to the class that you absolutely hate."

Time: 4170.3

Or "We're going to go see the person"

Time: 4171.767

"that you absolutely despise."

Time: 4173.14

And then you drive them to the amusement park

Time: 4174.53

that's the big release of dopamine.

Time: 4177.1

But reward prediction error also says

Time: 4179.38

that if you tell the kid, or yourself,

Time: 4181.677

"Okay, we're headed to the amusement park."

Time: 4183.027

"We're going to get some ice cream."

Time: 4184.32

They're really, really excited.

Time: 4185.33

And then you get there and it's closed,

Time: 4187.55

or they're not letting any more people in,

Time: 4189.34

well then the dopamine level drops way below what it was

Time: 4192.4

before you told them that you were headed there. Okay?

Time: 4194.53

I've given a number of different examples

Time: 4195.83

that hopefully make this clear.

Time: 4197.17

Reward prediction error governs virtually all aspects

Time: 4200.805

of effort and all aspects of learning.

Time: 4204.19

Why? Because when dopamine is released in the brain

Time: 4206.9

and body, the neural circuits of our brain and body change.

Time: 4210.45

There's a state change.

Time: 4212.62

Our over level, excuse me, our overall level of energy,

Time: 4216.44

but also the sorts of sensory events

Time: 4218.61

that we're paying attention to changes

Time: 4220.5

when there's a lot of dopamine in our system.

Time: 4223.46

Now you can leverage this for habit formation.

Time: 4226.79

Think back to task bracketing.

Time: 4228.835

Think back to limbic friction.

Time: 4231.515

If you are considering adopting a new habit

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or if you are trying to break a habit,

Time: 4237.06

something we haven't talked too much about,

Time: 4238.47

but we will in a moment, it's very useful

Time: 4241.97

to think not just about the procedural aspects

Time: 4244.98

of what you're going to do,

Time: 4246.33

but also think about the events that precede

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and follow that particular habit,

Time: 4252.95

and the execution, or at least the effort

Time: 4255.68

to execute that habit.

Time: 4257.385

What you're doing is you're casting a kind of a spotlight

Time: 4260.63

around a bin of time, or a set of events,

Time: 4263.85

for which dopamine can be associated.

Time: 4266.03

What does this look like in the practical sense?

Time: 4268.12

Well again,

Time: 4268.953

I'll just try and use very simple concrete examples,

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but this could carry over to anything.

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Let's say I were somebody who has a hard time getting in

Time: 4276.57

that 30 to 60 minutes

Time: 4278.3

of zone II cardiovascular exercise mid-morning.

Time: 4281.65

This is actually an issue for me.

Time: 4282.96

I much prefer to do resistance exercise

Time: 4284.81

than cardiovascular exercise,

Time: 4286.07

although once I do it, I always feel much better

Time: 4288.71

that I've done it.

Time: 4291.163

What I should do is positively anticipate the onset

Time: 4297

and the offset of that session. Right?

Time: 4299.87

So thinking about leaning into the effort,

Time: 4303.137

going out and doing that zone II cardio session,

Time: 4306.29

and I should think about how I'm going to feel after.

Time: 4308.38

So, not just thinking about

Time: 4309.27

how great I'm going to feel after,

Time: 4311.901

but also thinking about how hard it's going to be

Time: 4314.41

at the beginning,

Time: 4315.243

and then trying to reward myself subjectively

Time: 4317.73

for the entire experience.

Time: 4319.06

In other words, start rewarding task-bracketing

Time: 4321.84

in addition to rewarding the execution of the habit itself.

Time: 4326.55

Now some of you might be saying,

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"Well, wait this is all self-talk."

Time: 4329.127

"This is just positive self-talk."

Time: 4330.7

But it's not positive self-talk, it's not saying, you know,

Time: 4334.277

"I feel so great about doing something"

Time: 4335.817

"that I actually hate."

Time: 4336.65

You can't lie to yourself,

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or you're welcome to lie to yourself,

Time: 4339.08

but the neuroscience literature,

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the literature of growth mindset,

Time: 4342.12

all the literature basically of mindset

Time: 4344.08

speaks to the fact that when you lie to yourself,

Time: 4346.17

you know you're lying,

Time: 4347.26

and you actually set up the opposite of a reward system.

Time: 4350.38

So, you have to be brutally honest with yourself

Time: 4352.298

that, for instance,

Time: 4353.798

"I don't like initiating this cardiovascular exercise"

Time: 4357.137

"but I do like the fact that I've done it"

Time: 4358.737

"after I've done it."

Time: 4359.83

So what you are doing is

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you are applying reward prediction error

Time: 4363.172

to the entire sequence of things

Time: 4365.44

that's involved in getting into the habit execution,

Time: 4368.695

getting through the habit execution,

Time: 4371.05

and getting out of the habit of execution.

Time: 4373.15

How do you do this?

Time: 4374.19

Well, I take us back

Time: 4375.53

to our procedural memory visualization exercises

Time: 4379.14

we talked about earlier.

Time: 4380.33

When I talked about it in that context,

Time: 4382.07

I talked about walking through mentally the series of steps

Time: 4385.92

that's required to perform a particular habit.

Time: 4387.81

So in the case of the zone II cardio thing it would be,

Time: 4390.437

"Okay up and put on my shoes,"

Time: 4391.527

"then I'm going to head out the door,"

Time: 4392.547

"then I'm going to drive up the road."

Time: 4393.89

There is a particular canyon near here that,

Time: 4395.57

if I'm going to run,

Time: 4396.47

I happen to like running, or I don't hate running enough

Time: 4399.25

that I tend to do it.

Time: 4400.56

Going through that, heading back, et cetera, et cetera.

Time: 4403.31

That's great, but even better

Time: 4405.57

would be to broaden the time bin

Time: 4407.496

and start to positively anticipate the period headed

Time: 4410.628

into the habit, so even before you put on your shoes.

Time: 4415.06

The fact that you are successfully placing the habit in,

Time: 4419.16

in this case, phase one of the day

Time: 4422.21

and that afterwards I'm going

Time: 4424.54

to feel a particular set of positive benefits,

Time: 4426.93

elevated mood, et cetera.

Time: 4428.38

I like being hungry and quickly after I exercise I'm hungry,

Time: 4431

so I like being hungry because I like eating,

Time: 4432.83

so there's a whole set of things

Time: 4434.3

that link up with one another.

Time: 4435.88

So I'm not just thinking about habit execution

Time: 4437.61

as this isolated little set of events,

Time: 4439.69

or this little time bin,

Time: 4441.27

but rather, I'm drawing a larger envelope around it

Time: 4444.17

and starting to positively associate dopamine reward

Time: 4446.7

with that larger envelope.

Time: 4448.69

And for those of you that are thinking,

Time: 4449.817

"Well, this is just a psychological trick."

Time: 4451.61

You know, you're kind of like,

Time: 4453.363

"This is sort of like lying to yourself."

Time: 4454.48

It's not because you're not actually contradicting the fact

Time: 4457.99

that some of this is unpleasant.

Time: 4459.8

What you're doing is

Time: 4460.633

you're taking this entire series of events,

Time: 4462.36

what I'm calling this kind of time envelope,

Time: 4463.97

and you're associating it with a particular reward

Time: 4466.59

that comes later,

Time: 4467.423

which for me would be the feeling that, you know,

Time: 4470.14

that I've completed this.

Time: 4471.21

Right? Because for me that's usually a good feeling.

Time: 4473.26

So reward prediction error is beautiful,

Time: 4475.62

not just because it's a sort of math of anticipation

Time: 4479.01

and reward, or a math of anticipation

Time: 4481.18

and disappointment,

Time: 4482.42

it's beautiful because you can stretch out

Time: 4485.43

or make more narrow the time bins

Time: 4487.64

in which reward prediction error works.

Time: 4490.12

Reward prediction error is the way

Time: 4491.69

in which people navigate four year degrees.

Time: 4494.27

Right? I mean, you go, sure, final exam

Time: 4496.63

to final exam, et cetera.

Time: 4497.66

But ultimately, there's a big payoff at the end

Time: 4499.53

and it's all basically for that big payoff.

Time: 4502.052

And of course, I understand that it's the journey,

Time: 4504.15

not the destination, but let's face it,

Time: 4505.75

for a lot of us goals

Time: 4507.16

and habits are about achieving some sort of destination.

Time: 4510.29

In the case of zone II cardio,

Time: 4511.57

for me it's about trying to stay alive for as long as I can,

Time: 4514.674

as long as I can with vitality, that is.

Time: 4517.61

And it's also the fact that if I'm doing that,

Time: 4520.14

I get to eat the foods that I like.

Time: 4522.62

I tend to be able to eat more,

Time: 4523.95

which I happen to really enjoy eating,

Time: 4525.35

so much so that I'd like it just as an activity.

Time: 4527.65

So basically what you're trying to do

Time: 4529.52

is not restrict your thinking to just the habit

Time: 4532.28

that you're trying to form, but rather,

Time: 4534.07

to grab ahold of the timing before

Time: 4536.86

and after that particular habit

Time: 4538.87

and start to positively associate reward mechanisms

Time: 4541.55

in your brain with that entire time bin.

Time: 4544.07

This is a very useful and very powerful tool

Time: 4546.7

in order to form habits.

Time: 4548.36

And I should say that it's not something

Time: 4550.53

that comes naturally to most people.

Time: 4552.06

In fact, even as I describe it,

Time: 4553.52

you might find it's still a little bit abstract,

Time: 4555.57

but what I encourage you to do,

Time: 4557.08

if you are finding it to be a little bit vague,

Time: 4559.34

would be to pick the habit that you want to form,

Time: 4561.405

write down or think about very concretely

Time: 4564.096

what is the sequence of steps involved

Time: 4566.27

in the execution of that habit,

Time: 4568.03

and then write down or think about

Time: 4570.07

what is the sequence of events

Time: 4571.62

that need to precede that habit,

Time: 4573.52

maybe the immediate 10 or 15 minutes before,

Time: 4576.11

as well as the immediate sequence of events

Time: 4578.229

and/or feelings that will occur after that habit,

Time: 4580.838

and then call the whole thing a habit execution.

Time: 4584.87

The whole thing a effort to engage in that particular habit.

Time: 4589.1

And in doing that, and in positively associating

Time: 4592.07

with the idea that you're going

Time: 4593.47

to complete that entire sequence,

Time: 4595.44

you will engage reward prediction error

Time: 4597.52

in the proper way that the dopamine surge

Time: 4599.489

can lend itself towards motivation.

Time: 4601.91

Because ultimately, dopamine is not about feeling good,

Time: 4605.5

it's about feeling motivated.

Time: 4606.96

This is something

Time: 4607.793

that I've talked about numerous times before,

Time: 4609.41

but dopamine, contrary to popular belief,

Time: 4611.79

is not a reward molecule,

Time: 4613.522

so much as it is a molecule of motivation and drive.

Time: 4617.016

And the natural consequence

Time: 4619.12

of doing the exercise I just described,

Time: 4621.27

of writing things out that precede,

Time: 4623.259

are involved in the immediate execution of the habit,

Time: 4625.67

and follow the habit,

Time: 4626.902

will allow you to experience an increase in energy

Time: 4631.09

and thereby an increase in likelihood

Time: 4633.49

that you're going to engage

Time: 4634.53

in that entire sequence of events.

Time: 4636.48

And the reason for that is that dopamine gives us energy,

Time: 4638.607

and the reason for that is that the molecule epinephrine,

Time: 4641.577

adrenaline, is actually manufactured from dopamine.

Time: 4644.87

Biochemically, it comes from dopamine.

Time: 4647.07

So, dopamine is powerful

Time: 4648.73

and you can access more dopamine

Time: 4650.785

around even habits that you haven't yet formed

Time: 4654.044

by taking this broader time envelope

Time: 4656.44

and task-bracketing that specific task execution

Time: 4659.68

or habit execution.

Time: 4661.33

Way back at the beginning of the episode,

Time: 4663.02

In promised you that I would deliver two programs

Time: 4665.603

that are geared towards habit formation.

Time: 4669.33

And I promised that I would give you ways

Time: 4671.37

in which you could gauge whether

Time: 4672.7

or not certain habits had moved from high effort,

Time: 4676.051

what I call high limbic friction, to reflexive.

Time: 4679.65

And we talked about a number of way to gauge that.

Time: 4682.485

In researching this episode,

Time: 4684.048

I found a tremendous number of different systems

Time: 4687.12

for habit formation.

Time: 4688.53

It's really amazing how much is out there.

Time: 4690.46

There, one says 60 days to this,

Time: 4692.24

or 21 days to that, or 18 days to this.

Time: 4694.6

I mean,

Time: 4695.597

it's just rampant in the popular psychology literature

Time: 4697.947

and in the self-help literature.

Time: 4701.2

I want to spell out a particular system

Time: 4703.44

that I think could be very useful

Time: 4705.1

to most if not all people

Time: 4707.53

that's rooted in the biology of habit formation,

Time: 4711.13

rooted in the psychology of habit formation,

Time: 4713.21

and that is entirely compatible with that phase one,

Time: 4715.78

phase two, phase three type program

Time: 4717.38

that I talked about earlier,

Time: 4719

but encompasses a bit of a longer time scale

Time: 4721.802

and really arrives at a kind of a system, if you will,

Time: 4725.698

for how to build in habits

Time: 4728.8

and then to test whether or not those habits

Time: 4731.1

have really stuck

Time: 4732.45

and whether or not they're likely to stick going forward.

Time: 4735.12

And so this, at least for the sake of this example,

Time: 4738.46

a 21 day system.

Time: 4739.67

I picked 21 days because that seems to be the average

Time: 4742.73

or most typical system for engaging neuroplasticity

Time: 4746.427

as it relates to the formation of new habits.

Time: 4748.9

This 21 day system, actually,

Time: 4750.33

is one that someone I know very well uses

Time: 4751.864

and has used for a very long time.

Time: 4753.563

They actually, their kids use it as well.

Time: 4756.2

And it has a certain elegance to it

Time: 4757.74

and I think as I describe it that elegance

Time: 4760.65

will begin to reveal itself.

Time: 4762.5

So basically what this involves is you set out

Time: 4766.18

to perform 6 new habits per day

Time: 4770.242

across the course of 21 days.

Time: 4772.77

Why 6 and why 21?

Time: 4774.29

Well, we'll talk about that in a moment.

Time: 4776.11

But the idea is, you write down 6 things

Time: 4778.247

that you would like to do every day for 21 days.

Time: 4781.336

What phase of the day those things fall into?

Time: 4784.3

Well, that will depend on what they are

Time: 4785.81

and how they relate to those earlier phase one,

Time: 4787.79

phase two, phase three, but for now,

Time: 4789.57

21 days, 6 things per day. However,

Time: 4791.598

the expectation is that you'll only complete 4

Time: 4795.508

to 5 of those each day. Okay?

Time: 4798.53

So built into this is a kind of permission to fail,

Time: 4801.57

but it's not failure,

Time: 4802.8

because it turns out that this approach

Time: 4806.5

to forming habits is based

Time: 4808.33

not so much on the specific habits

Time: 4810.77

that you're trying to form,

Time: 4812.25

but the habit of performing habits. Right?

Time: 4815.26

It's the habit of doing a certain number of things per day.

Time: 4819.532

So, you set out to perform 6.

Time: 4821.76

Now, another reason for not necessarily performing all 6 is

Time: 4824.87

that some activities probably

Time: 4826.57

shouldn't be performed each day.

Time: 4828.45

For instance, in my case, if I were to weight train

Time: 4831.64

or even run every day, I'm of the sort,

Time: 4834.13

or my biology is of the sort that I don't recover so well.

Time: 4837.55

So I wouldn't want to do resistance training every day,

Time: 4840.18

but I might want to do it 4 days a week, for instance.

Time: 4842.075

So by having 6 things in that list,

Time: 4844.53

you could shuffle out that particular activity

Time: 4847.3

on particular days of the week,

Time: 4848.57

and simply do 4 or 5 other activities.

Time: 4851.29

So 21 days, you list out 4 to 5 things.

Time: 4853.26

So it might be zone II cardio, resistance training,

Time: 4855.66

sunlight viewing, writing could be journaling,

Time: 4859.794

it could be learning a language, mathematics.

Time: 4862.57

Again this is going to vary

Time: 4863.61

depending on your particular goal

Time: 4865.077

and the habits that you're trying to create.

Time: 4866.937

But no more than six

Time: 4868.685

and the expectation is

Time: 4869.92

that you're not going to perform more than 4 to 5.

Time: 4872.17

If you miss a day, meaning you don't perform 4 to 5 things,

Time: 4876.56

there is no punishment.

Time: 4879.27

And in fact it's important that you don't actually try

Time: 4883.2

and do what, in the literature,

Time: 4884.27

is called a habit slip compensation,

Time: 4886.49

which is just fancy psychological language

Time: 4889.09

for if you screw up and you don't get all 4 or 5 in one day,

Time: 4894.17

you don't do 8 the next day in order to compensate.

Time: 4897.275

This actually brings me back to an example I had

Time: 4901.217

from graduate school.

Time: 4902.383

I remember when I started graduate school

Time: 4903.768

feeling very excited, but a little bit overwhelmed

Time: 4905.49

by the amount of things that I had to do

Time: 4906.946

because I had to both do research, I was doing coursework,

Time: 4909.83

at the time graduate students stipends,

Time: 4911.68

and still now unfortunately, were depressingly low

Time: 4915.32

so it was financially stressful.

Time: 4916.62

There were a number of things happening

Time: 4918.03

and I remember a neurologist, this was at UC Berkeley,

Time: 4921.106

he was a really fantastic scientist and person,

Time: 4923.56

his name was Bob Knight, some of you may know him.

Time: 4925.349

I remember he, I went to him and I asked, you know,

Time: 4927.567

"What is the process by which someone"

Time: 4929.317

"actually navigates graduate school successfully?"

Time: 4931.65

And he said, "Listen, you don't want to do anything"

Time: 4935.927

"or engage in a routine in any way"

Time: 4938.567

"that you can't keep up consistently"

Time: 4940.237

"for at least five and ideally 6 days per week."

Time: 4943.23

I thought, "Oh, that's pretty good."

Time: 4944.27

And he said, "Every 4 or 5 years"

Time: 4945.927

"you might have to update that,"

Time: 4946.957

"but you need to decide what you can do consistently,"

Time: 4949.137

"what you can do every day or at least six days a week,"

Time: 4951.907

"or 5 days a week."

Time: 4953.08

And that was very very useful to me

Time: 4955.11

and it fits well with this notion of habit slips,

Time: 4957.89

that if you happen to screw up and not be able to engage

Time: 4961.67

in whatever habits you're trying to learn

Time: 4963.79

for whatever reason, that the next day,

Time: 4965.48

you just get right back on on the on the horse, so to speak.

Time: 4969.26

However, there's a really interesting feature

Time: 4971.77

from the neuroscience literature

Time: 4973.62

and from the psychology that says

Time: 4975.44

that chunking this 21 days into 2 day bins

Time: 4978.94

can be very, very useful.

Time: 4980.9

While it is true that the unit of the day

Time: 4982.91

that our cells use is a circadian one, a 24-hour clock,

Time: 4986.837

there does seem to be something powerful

Time: 4989.2

about engaging in particular habits,

Time: 4991.11

in a particular sequence, for two days in a row,

Time: 4995.21

and then resetting, so thinking,

Time: 4996.697

"Okay I can do this for a day"

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"and if I can do it for a day,"

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"I can probably do it for 2 days."

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And then resetting. So every 2 days you're resetting.

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So you're kind of chunking 21 days

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into a series of 2 day bins, in which you are trying

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to perform 4 to 5 new habits

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and then completing that 21 days.

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Now, everything I've described about this 21-day program

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with 6 things that you're trying to do with new habits

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and only performing 4 to 5 and not compensating, et cetera.

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There's nothing neuroscientifically unique about it,

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except for the fact that it's not just 21 days,

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broken up into two day chunks.

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After 21 days, you stop engaging

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in this 21-day deliberate 4 to 5 things per day,

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tight schedule, and you simply go into autopilot.

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You ask yourself how many of those particular habits

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that I was deliberately trying to learn

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in the previous 21 days are automatically incorporated

Time: 5053.76

into my schedule?

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How many of them am I naturally doing?

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In other words, every 21 days you don't update

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and start adding new habits.

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You simply try and maintain the ones

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that you built in that first 21 days.

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And this I think is extremely important

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because in all the habit literature that I could find,

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sure, there was a lot of psychological data

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and neuroscience data, behavioral science data

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around here's how you form a habit,

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here's how you break a habit.

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There was even some kind of test for whether

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or not a habit had really achieved context independence,

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whether or not it was a strongly formed habit.

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But there wasn't a lot of information,

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at least by my search,

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of what to do once you've formed a habit,

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and how to evaluate whether

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or not that habit is likely to persist long into the future.

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So here's the idea, you set out these 6 things

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that you would like to learn,

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or that you would like to acquire in your life,

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these habits, you only expect

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that you're going to perform 4 or 5 each day,

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you do that for 21 days.

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Again, if you miss a day,

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you just hop right back on the next day.

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However, you should think about the functional units

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within this 21 day period as 2 days.

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You can try and nail 4 to 5 of these things for 2 days.

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If you happen to get all 6, great,

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but that's not necessarily required.

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So you can do it for 2 days then reset 2 days,

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then reset 2 days, and then in the next 21 days,

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you're not trying to acquire any new habits,

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you're not going to throw in 6 more habits

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that you want to learn, you're simply going to assess

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how well, how deeply, you rewired your nervous system

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to be able to perform those 6 habits

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of the previous 21 days.

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And this is extremely useful, I believe,

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because it will allow you to asses whether

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or not you can indeed make room,

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if you even have room, I should say, for more habits.

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Many people are trying to cram so many new behaviors

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into their nervous system, that they don't stand a chance

Time: 5164.73

of learning all those behaviors.

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What you may find,

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is that you kept up 2 of those things very consistently

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throughout the 21 days.

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And perhaps there was one of them that you did sporadically,

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and that there were 3 others that, frankly,

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you didn't manage to execute.

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You may also be one of these people, one of these mutants,

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that sets out to do 6 new things per day for 21 days

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and performs every single one of them.

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Terrific. More power to you. In that case,

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for the following 21 days, let's see whether

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or not you can continue to perform those very same 6 things

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every day for 21 days, and then, and only then,

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would you want to add more habits in.

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So you could repeat this 21 day process, you know,

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21 days of new habit, 21 days of testing those new habits

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as to whether or not they're reflexive or not.

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You could do that forever, if you wanted.

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But the idea is that this isn't something

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that you're doing all year long.

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It's that you're perhaps starting the new year

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or regardless of when you're listening to this,

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you set out to make that 21 day really the stimulus period

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in which the habits get wired in

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and then the following month,

Time: 5225.46

and maybe even the following months, or periods of 21 days,

Time: 5229.07

are really the kind of thermometer or the test bed

Time: 5232.11

of how well you've embedded those particular habits.

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And if indeed you want to continue to add new habits

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or you find that certain habits that you weren't able

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to embed in your nervous system and make reflexive,

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you want to then bring those in, fantastic.

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But it's only once you've achieved all those 6 habits

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as reflexive, that you would move forward.

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And I think this sort of system,

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while it could have been replaced

Time: 5253.74

with many other different systems.

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Again, there's nothing holy about this system.

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But this particular system has a number of features,

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the lack of compensation for missed days,

Time: 5263.37

the fact that it's a fairly high intensity program

Time: 5266.08

for 21 days, but then you test yourself,

Time: 5268.52

a kind of competition test with yourself, if you will.

Time: 5270.889

Those features and the fact that habit slips,

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missing of particular habits

Time: 5276.66

and not doing all 6 is kind of built into the system,

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I think makes it a very reasonable one.

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It's very adaptable to the real world.

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And I think it's one that, provided you obey the phase one,

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phase two, phase three type system

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that we talked about earlier,

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you collapse these two programs with one another,

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which hopefully will be easy,

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based on the descriptions I've given. Well, if you do that,

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and I think there's a very high probability

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that the habits that you try and form

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will achieve this context dependence

Time: 5302.74

and that it will take progressively less limbic friction

Time: 5305.31

to try and perform them.

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Thus far, we've almost exclusively been discussing

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how to form habits.

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But what about breaking habits?

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Certainly many people out there would like to break habits

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that they feel don't serve them well.

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One of the challenges in breaking habits is

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that many habits occur very, very quickly

Time: 5323.16

and so there isn't an opportunity to intervene

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until the habit has already been initiated

Time: 5327.778

and in some cases completed.

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Well, there are a couple of tools

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that neuroscience and psychology tell us

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can be very beneficial.

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Some of those things are somewhat intuitive

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and relate to what I call foundation practices.

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Meaning things that set the overall tone

Time: 5344.54

in your body and brain, such that you would be less likely

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to engage in a particular habit

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or that would raise your level of awareness,

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both of your situation and to how you feel inside.

Time: 5356.57

So things like stress reduction.

Time: 5358.094

Things like getting good sleep.

Time: 5359.72

Things like quality nutrition.

Time: 5361.21

Things like having positive routines

Time: 5363.33

arranged throughout your day.

Time: 5364.78

All of those, of course, will support you

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in trying to break particular habits.

Time: 5369.73

And while that can be very useful,

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it's admittedly very generic advice.

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It doesn't point to any one specific protocol.

Time: 5376.75

In order to identify a specific protocol

Time: 5379.77

that one could apply in order to break habits,

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we have to look at the mirror image

Time: 5384.043

of the sort of neuroplasticity

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that we talked about at the beginning of the episode.

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At the beginning of the episode,

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we talked about a form of neuroplasticity

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called long term potentiation,

Time: 5393.51

involving the NMDA receptor.

Time: 5395.606

Just to refresh your memory a little bit,

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it says that if a set of neurons is very electrically active

Time: 5401.98

it's likely that those neurons will communicate

Time: 5404.74

with themselves more easily

Time: 5406.154

because of changes in things like NMDA receptor activity,

Time: 5410.32

the recruitment of additional receptors, et cetera.

Time: 5412.33

It's essentially a cellular and molecular explanation

Time: 5415.38

for how something goes from unlearned,

Time: 5418.53

to learned, to reflexive.

Time: 5420.98

Now, in order to break synapses,

Time: 5423.58

or to break apart neural connections

Time: 5425.62

that are serving a habit that you don't want to engage in,

Time: 5428.551

we need to engage the process called long term depression.

Time: 5432.53

And long term depression has nothing to do

Time: 5434.905

with a state of mental depression or a reduction in mood.

Time: 5439.93

So I really want to be clear that

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when I say depression in this context

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it has nothing to do with psychological depression,

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it has nothing to do with mood.

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It's simply called long term depression

Time: 5450.18

because just as long term potentiation says

Time: 5452.93

if neuron A triggers the firing of neuron B,

Time: 5455.85

and it does so very robustly over and over and over again,

Time: 5459.03

then neuron A will not have to fire as intensely,

Time: 5462.97

or as frequently, in order to activate neuron B

Time: 5466.05

in the future because they become potentiated.

Time: 5468.52

Right? The threshold for co-activation has been reduced.

Time: 5471.7

There's a much higher probability

Time: 5472.99

that they will be activated together

Time: 5474.67

at low levels of intensity.

Time: 5476.574

That's essentially what long term potentiation is.

Time: 5479.53

Long term depression says that if neuron A is active

Time: 5483.28

and neuron B is not active within a particular time window,

Time: 5487.558

then the connection between neuron A and B will weaken

Time: 5491.29

over time, even if they started off very strongly connected.

Time: 5495.51

Okay? So, I'm going to repeat that

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because this is a pretty detailed neurobiological mechanism

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whereby if neuron A, and neuron B is active,

Time: 5505.12

but at a different time or outside a particular,

Time: 5507.781

what we call, temporal window,

Time: 5509.52

meaning outside a particular time window,

Time: 5512.04

then through long term depression,

Time: 5514.36

the connection between neuron A and neuron B will weaken.

Time: 5518.24

And just as a point of interest,

Time: 5520.716

the NMDA receptor is also involved in long term depression,

Time: 5524.36

although there are other molecular components involved

Time: 5526.88

as well.

Time: 5527.713

So how do you take two neurons

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that underlie a habit out of synchrony?

Time: 5532.25

How do you get them to fire asynchronously?

Time: 5534.153

This is pretty interesting with respect to the cellular

Time: 5537.29

and molecular biology, but at the behavioral level,

Time: 5539.74

it's especially interesting.

Time: 5540.683

They way that one would do this is, let's say for instance,

Time: 5543.627

you have a habit of picking up your phone mid work session.

Time: 5549.52

Okay? That's a reflexive habit I think

Time: 5551.84

that most people have experienced.

Time: 5553.553

And we often hear the idea that, oh,

Time: 5557.27

the phone is so filled with access to dopamine

Time: 5560

and incredible things that we're just drawn to it.

Time: 5562.62

But if you noticed what's happened with phone use over time,

Time: 5565.895

most people, including myself sometimes I admit,

Time: 5569.02

find ourselves just looking at our phone,

Time: 5570.82

or find ourselves in a particular app

Time: 5572.7

without actually having engaged

Time: 5574.21

in the conscious set of steps of,

Time: 5575.567

"Oh I'm really curious"

Time: 5576.557

"what's going on in this particular app."

Time: 5578.157

"I'm really curious"

Time: 5579.347

"what's going on in this particular website."

Time: 5581.17

And you just kind of "find yourself", in air quotes,

Time: 5583.91

for those of you listening, I'm making air quotes.

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You just sort of find yourself doing it because the behavior

Time: 5589.13

of picking up your phone is sort of reflexive,

Time: 5590.97

or has become fully reflexive.

Time: 5593.12

You see this a lot at meals

Time: 5594.85

where multiple people are there

Time: 5596.48

and no one's looking at their phone

Time: 5597.87

and then all of a sudden someone takes out their phone

Time: 5599.41

and you'll notice

Time: 5600.243

that other people just naturally take out their phone.

Time: 5602.08

It's this kind observation induced reflex.

Time: 5606.39

And I would wager that most people aren't consciously aware

Time: 5610.52

of the immediate steps involved.

Time: 5613.116

So the literature says there are a number of ways

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to break these sorts of habitual behaviors,

Time: 5618.573

or reflexive behaviors.

Time: 5620.98

Most of those approaches involve establishing some sort

Time: 5624.75

of reward for not performing the activity

Time: 5627.748

or some sort of punishment for forming the activity.

Time: 5630.94

I've heard of some basic things that some people will do,

Time: 5633.1

like they'll even put like a rubber band on their wrist,

Time: 5635

and every time they complain,

Time: 5636.44

or every time they do some behavior,

Time: 5638.91

like pick up their phone,

Time: 5639.95

they'll give themselves a snap on the wrist.

Time: 5641.57

And yeah, the rationale there is that you're trying

Time: 5643.86

to create a somatic, a very physical representation

Time: 5647

of something that makes it very real

Time: 5649.88

and harder to overlook.

Time: 5651.21

Other people will just do a tick mark on a piece of paper.

Time: 5653.47

This sort of, "What gets measured is what gets managed"

Time: 5656.616

kind of mindset, where if every time you do something,

Time: 5659.41

you take away the judgment, this is very new age-y,

Time: 5662.73

I realize, but this is what you find out there,

Time: 5665

if you search the literature.

Time: 5667.06

Even on PubMed, peer-reviewed articles,

Time: 5669.84

that every time you engage in a behavior,

Time: 5671.76

you just measure the fact that you did that behavior,

Time: 5674.93

you just mark it down.

Time: 5675.81

At the end of the day, people are supposed to look at that

Time: 5677.75

and say, "Oh my goodness!"

Time: 5678.583

"I can't believe that I spent, you know, 3 hours."

Time: 5681.922

Or, "I did it 46 times."

Time: 5683.456

And in fact, a lot of apps, social media apps,

Time: 5686.117

will start to give you warnings now, if you opt in,

Time: 5689.44

that you've been on the app for an hour,

Time: 5691.86

would you like to leave?

Time: 5692.693

Most people just click right past it and go back in.

Time: 5694.258

I think very few people say, "Oh my goodness!"

Time: 5697.337

"It's been an hour and therefor you're right,"

Time: 5699.277

"I absolutely shouldn't engage in this any more."

Time: 5701.53

It's just far to easy to just blow past those reminders.

Time: 5704.092

Well, the literature on habit formation

Time: 5708.236

and habit reduction, breaking habits, has been analyzed.

Time: 5712.54

There's a beautiful meta-analysis,

Time: 5714.992

which involves looking at a number

Time: 5716.76

of different studies all together,

Time: 5719.385

comparing the statistical strength of each of those studies,

Time: 5722.19

looking in different conditions

Time: 5723.23

what sorts of habits were trying to be made or broken.

Time: 5725.775

The first author on this review is Fritz, F R I T Z.

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I'll certainly put a link to this.

Time: 5733.3

It's Heather Fritz and it's

Time: 5734.887

"Intervention to modify habits: a scoping review."

Time: 5737.38

And it is indeed a very broad scale review. It's from

Time: 5739.37

the Journal of Occupation Participation and Health.

Time: 5741.5

It's published in 2020. It's a really nice article.

Time: 5744.075

A couple of things I learned from this article

Time: 5746.03

and then I'll get into the specific tool

Time: 5747.47

for breaking habits.

Time: 5748.75

Perhaps the most interesting thing that I took

Time: 5750.49

from this review was the finding

Time: 5752.62

that notifications to either engage in habits

Time: 5757.2

or to not engage in habits

Time: 5758.84

actually were not very effective over time.

Time: 5761.61

They were effective in the immediate period

Time: 5763.97

when people started using these notifications,

Time: 5765.99

as were little sticky notes, like,

Time: 5767.797

"Don't go into the refrigerator"

Time: 5769.117

"between the hours of whatever and whatever."

Time: 5771.32

Or just visual reminders,

Time: 5773.604

physical reminders or electronic reminders

Time: 5776.35

were effective in the immediate term,

Time: 5778.36

but in the long term, did not predict whether

Time: 5780.24

or not people would effectively stick

Time: 5782.5

to habits they were trying to stick to,

Time: 5784.761

or break habits that they were trying to break.

Time: 5785.97

So sadly, that doesn't seem to work very well.

Time: 5788.98

And perhaps they just need to come up

Time: 5791.1

with more robust reminders.

Time: 5793.24

I don't know, mild electric shock

Time: 5794.56

or something like that because what we do know,

Time: 5796.218

only sort of kidding about mild electric shock,

Time: 5799.342

but what we do know from both human

Time: 5801.44

and animal studies is that things like electric shock,

Time: 5804.81

things like monetary penalties, right?

Time: 5807.61

Having to pay out every time you engage

Time: 5809.34

in a particular behavior.

Time: 5810.5

Those are pretty effective ways to break habits.

Time: 5812.776

The problems is when people are not being monitored

Time: 5816.043

for habit use, for instance,

Time: 5819.5

you can imagine a situation where you say,

Time: 5821.237

"I'm not going to pick up my phone"

Time: 5822.507

"for the 4 hours in the early part of the day"

Time: 5824.917

"so I can get, you know, real dedicated focused work done."

Time: 5827.518

Unless someone's monitoring them, then people don't tend

Time: 5830.224

to monitor themselves completely enough

Time: 5834.23

that they punish themselves completely enough,

Time: 5836.16

that they break the behavior.

Time: 5837.07

In other words, the punishment isn't bad enough,

Time: 5839.5

in order to break the habit,

Time: 5840.56

which just speaks to how powerful these habits are

Time: 5843.78

once they become reflexive.

Time: 5844.95

They're just very, very hard to override.

Time: 5846.681

So it turns out that the key

Time: 5848.65

to generating long term depression in these pathways

Time: 5852.118

is actually to take the period

Time: 5856.25

immediately following the bad habit execution,

Time: 5859.64

meaning, let's say you tell yourself

Time: 5860.87

you're not going to pick up your phone,

Time: 5862.713

you're not going to bite your nails,

Time: 5863.924

you're not going to reflexively walk

Time: 5865.341

to the refrigerator at a particular time or day,

Time: 5866.29

but you find yourself doing it anyway,

Time: 5868.45

and what actually has to happen

Time: 5870.55

is bringing conscious awareness

Time: 5872.75

to the period immediately afterwards,

Time: 5874.35

which I think most people recognize,

Time: 5875.84

they realize "Ugh I just did it again. I just did it again."

Time: 5878.044

And in that moment, capture the sequence of events,

Time: 5882.01

not that led to the bad habit execution,

Time: 5884.961

but actually to take advantage of the fact

Time: 5887.684

that the neurons that were responsible

Time: 5889.94

for generating that bad habit were active a moment ago,

Time: 5893.454

and to actually engage in a replacement behavior

Time: 5897.183

immediately afterward.

Time: 5899.43

Now, this is really interesting and I think powerful

Time: 5901.52

because I would have thought

Time: 5902.73

that you have to engage in a replacement behavior

Time: 5905.368

that truly replaces the bad habit behavior, right?

Time: 5908.895

That you would have to be able

Time: 5910.7

to identify your state of mind

Time: 5913.08

or the sequence of events leading into the bad habit,

Time: 5915.78

but rather, the stage

Time: 5917.58

or the period immediately after the bad habit execution,

Time: 5920.22

is a unique opportunity to insert a different type of,

Time: 5923.97

what we would call adaptive behavior,

Time: 5925.75

but that could be any behavior that's not in line

Time: 5928.88

with the bad behavior, so let's give it an example.

Time: 5931.82

Let's say you find yourself,

Time: 5933.2

you're trying to do focused work, you pick up your phone,

Time: 5935.617

you're disappointed in yourself for picking up your phone,

Time: 5938.856

you could of course just put it down,

Time: 5941.33

and re-engage in the work behavior,

Time: 5944.25

but if you were good at that,

Time: 5945.45

then you probably wouldn't have done it in the first place.

Time: 5947.55

And so, what turns out to be very effective,

Time: 5949.93

is to go engage in some other positive habit.

Time: 5952.93

Now, this has two major effects.

Time: 5954.97

The first one is you start

Time: 5956.32

to link in time the execution of a bad behavior

Time: 5959.52

to this other good behavior.

Time: 5961.404

And in doing so, you start to recruit other neural circuits,

Time: 5965.829

other neurons, that can start

Time: 5968.34

to somewhat dismantle sequence of firing

Time: 5971.58

associated with the bad behavior.

Time: 5973.58

In other words, you start to create a kind of a double habit

Time: 5976.88

that starts with a bad habit,

Time: 5978.43

and then ends with a good habit.

Time: 5980.35

And that seems to create enough of a temporal mismatch

Time: 5983.492

so that then recognizing

Time: 5986.02

when you're heading toward to bad habit

Time: 5987.89

becomes more apparent to you.

Time: 5990.13

So again, I want to make this very, very concrete.

Time: 5992.21

Let's say

Time: 5993.043

that the behavior is reflexively picking up one's phone.

Time: 5995.96

You do that, you think, "Ugh, goodness, I did it again."

Time: 5998.51

Here's what I'm going to do,

Time: 5999.63

you would set that down

Time: 6000.8

and then you would engage in some other positive behavior,

Time: 6004.08

that you've deemed positive.

Time: 6005.26

And here, it's very subjective, so it's hard

Time: 6006.95

for me to give an example

Time: 6007.88

that will necessarily make sense to everybody,

Time: 6010.163

but perhaps you're working on hydration,

Time: 6012.7

so maybe you go have a glass of water.

Time: 6014.32

Maybe you're trying to do breath work or something.

Time: 6018.91

Maybe you're trying to enhance your language speaking skills

Time: 6023.19

so you go and you spend 5 minutes

Time: 6024.89

doing a particular type of language learning.

Time: 6028.05

You literally exit whatever you were doing

Time: 6030.35

and perform that other new positive habit

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in the immediate period right after that,

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even for a short period of time.

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It's a little bit counterintuitive,

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but what this does it creates kind of a cognitive

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and a temporal mismatch between the initial bad behavior,

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which before is what we would call sort of a closed loop,

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and the engineers out there will know

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what I'm talking about.

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But in a closed loop, so one behavior,

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one set of neural firings, leads to another,

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leads to another,

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and then just kind of sets the same thing in motion.

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It can be kind of a self perpetuating system.

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By changing the number of features that are in that loop,

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it disrupts the closed nature of that loop,

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it creates what we call an open loop,

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and in an open loop, you are better able to intervene.

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So, as I mentioned before, this might seem counterintuitive,

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you might think,

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"Why would I want to reward the execution of a bad habit"

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"with a good habit."

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"I don't want to reward myself for the bad habit."

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But really what you're trying to do is you're trying

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to change the nature of the neural circuits

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that are firing so that you can rewrite the script

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for that bad habit.

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A different way to put it would be,

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imagine that the bad habit is like a chord on the piano

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that you play, or a chord notes,

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or a sequence of notes that you would play,

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and it comes very easily.

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You can play it every single time.

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But, let's say,

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as you're trying to learn a new piece of music,

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you're just constantly inserting that

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at the inappropriate time.

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That was, you know, I think it was a decent enough analogy

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for a bad habit because it involves some motor execution.

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You just find yourself doing it.

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Rather than trying to prevent yourself from doing it,

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the next time you do it, add in a new chord

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or sequence that you're trying to learn.

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What this does then is it changes the whole nature

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of the sequence of neurons that are firing from bad habit

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through to the end of this newly applied good habit.

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So, this is the way in which you start to dismantle or,

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when I say dismantle, really weaken the likelihood

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that if neuron A fires, neuron B will fire.

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Because, as you're starting off in the mode

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of very reflexively performing a bad habit,

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those neurons are firing together

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without you consciously being aware of it.

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It's almost impossible for you to intervene in yourself

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without a number of other features,

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like severe punishment, severe consequence type outcomes.

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Rather, tacking on some additional sequences,

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like if neuron A, neuron B fires, and then you're saying,

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"Okay well, if neuron B fires,"

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"I'm going to start inserting neuron C, D, E, F to fire."

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Right? That's the, C, D, E, F being the positive behavior

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that you're going to insert.

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And in doing so, you create a chain of neuronal activation

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that then is very easy to dismantle.

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And so, when people have applied this kind of approach,

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it removes the need to have constant conscious awareness

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of one's own behavior prior to that behavior,

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which is very, very difficult to achieve.

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Rather, what they find is that they are able to engage

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in re-mapping of neural circuits associated with bad habits

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in ways that are very, very straightforward.

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Right? Because you can always identify

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when you've done the thing you don't want to do

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and then tack on to that something additional

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that's positive.

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Now, the nature of that positive thing is important.

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You don't want it to be something

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that's very hard to execute.

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You want it to be something that's positive

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and fairly easy to execute,

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so that you're not struggling all the time

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to insert this on top of this bad behavior,

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whatever that bad behavior might happen to be.

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But again,

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this is rooted in the biology of long term depression,

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it maps very well to the behavioral change literature

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that I was able to glean that really shows

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that rather than just get reminders,

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rather than try and instill punishment,

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rather than setting up reward for breaking bad habits,

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that perhaps the simplest way to approach this is

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to tack on additional behaviors to the bad habits,

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make sure those behaviors are good behaviors,

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or behaviors that are adaptive for you,

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and in doing so, you will soon find

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that the initiation of the bad habit

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takes on a whole new form

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or that you're not even inspired to do it at all.

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And of course, I want to acknowledge

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that breaking bad habits is really hard.

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We had an episode all about addiction

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with Dr. Anna Lembke from Stanford Medical School.

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She's a colleague of mine

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who runs the Dual-Diagnosis Addiction Clinic at Stanford.

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And in that episode, we talked a lot about how addicts

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for drugs, alcohol, people have addictions

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to certain types of behaviors, or avoidance behaviors even,

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that in the case of addiction,

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there has to be a tremendous kind of full-scale campaign

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for them to be able to intervene in their behavior.

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So, for those of you

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that are thinking about bad habit breaking

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in the context of addictive type behaviors,

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definitely check out that episode.

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Addiction does employ some of these principles

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around habit making and habit breaking, as it were,

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but of course, because the consequences

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of certain habits in addiction can be so severe,

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there's other sets of protocols

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and there's a kind of a psychological backdrop to it

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that's very important.

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It also relates to the biology of dopamine,

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and you can find all of that in the episode

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with Dr. Anna Lembke.

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So today we've covered a lot about the biology

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and the psychology of habit formation

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and habit breaking.

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We talked about why certain habits are so hard to wire in,

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why certain habits are so hard to break down

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and eliminate, and how we can determine

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which habits are going to be easier for us to access

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and which habits are going to be harder

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for us to access and break.

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We talked a lot about this notion of limbic friction

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and we talked about context dependence.

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And we talked about a number of different things

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as it relates to neural circuits

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and the formation of new connections in the brain,

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and strengthening and weakening of connections in the brain.

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We also discussed two programs.

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Programs designed specifically for you

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on the basis of the neurobiology literature

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and the literature on the psychology of habit formation

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and habit breaking.

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Just to briefly recap,

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one program involves dividing the 24 hour day

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into three phases, phase one, phase two, phase three,

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and to try and tackle specific habits

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at particular phases of the 24 hour cycle.

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The second program involved a 21 day process

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of engaging approximately 6 new habits per day,

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although the expectation, as I mentioned earlier,

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is that you're not going to perform all 6 of those.

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And an assessment in the following 21 days

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as to whether or not you have indeed formed those new habits

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or not.

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And there were a number of other features

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that I mentioned that were related

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to those two general programs.

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Phase one, phase two, phase three, and the 21 day program,

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and how those could be meshed together.

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So, I'm guessing some of you will probably have questions

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about those programs and how to apply them,

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but hopefully they were clear enough for you to get started.

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This is a good opportunity for me to mention

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that the Huberman Lab Podcast

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For the next newsletter,

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I will release a on-paper version of these two systems

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and how they mesh together for habit formation

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My hope is that today you've learned

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you deem adaptive, healthy,

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And that you can start to dismantle some of the habits

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