The Science of Hearing, Balance & Accelerated Learning

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- Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast,

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where we discuss science and science-based tools

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for everyday life.

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I'm Andrew Huberman and I'm a professor

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of neurobiology and ophthalmology

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at Stanford School of Medicine.

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Today, we're going to talk all about hearing and balance

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and how you can use your ability to hear specific things

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and your balance system in order to learn anything faster.

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The auditory system, meaning the hearing system,

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and your balance system, which is called

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the vestibular system, interact with all the other systems

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of the brain and body and, used properly,

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can allow you to learn information more quickly,

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remember that information longer and with more ease

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and you can also improve the way you can hear.

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You can improve your balance.

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We're going to talk about tools for all of that.

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This is one area of science,

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where we understand a lot about the cells

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and the mechanisms in the ear and in the brain and so forth.

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So we're going to talk about that a little bit,

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and then we're going to get directly into protocols,

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meaning tools.

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We're also going to talk about ways

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in which the auditory and balance system suffer.

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We're going to talk about tinnitus,

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which is this ringing of the ears that,

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unfortunately, for people that suffer from it,

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they really suffer.

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It's very intrusive for them.

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We're going to talk about some treatments

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that can work in some circumstances

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and some of the more recent emerging treatments

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that I think many people aren't aware of.

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We're also going to talk about this,

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what seems like kind of a weird fact,

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which is that 70% of people, all people,

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make what are called otoacoustic emissions,

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their ears actually make noises.

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Chances are your ears are making noises right now,

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but you can't perceive them.

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And yet those can have an influence on other people

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and animals in your environment.

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It's a fascinating aspect of your biology.

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You're going to learn a lot about how your biology

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and brain and ears and the so-called inner ear

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that's associated with balance,

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you're going to learn a lot about how all those work,

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you're going to learn a lot of neuroscience.

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I'll even tell you what type of music to listen to.

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And if you listen to me, you can leverage that

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in order to learn faster.

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Before we begin talking about the science

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of hearing and balance and tools

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that leverage hearing and balance for learning faster,

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I want to provide some information

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about another way to learn much faster.

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There's a paper that was published recently.

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This is a paper that was published

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in Cell Reports, an excellent journal.

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It's a peer-reviewed paper from a really excellent group,

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looking at skill-learning.

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Now, previously, I've talked about how,

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in the attempt to learn skills, the vital thing to do

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is to get lots of repetitions.

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You've heard of the 10,000 hours thing,

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you've heard of lots of different strategies

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for learning faster, 80/20 rule and all that;

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the bottom line is you need to generate

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many, many repetitions of something

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that you're trying to learn.

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And the errors that you generate

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are also very important for learning.

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It also turns out that taking rest

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within the learning episode is very important.

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I want to be really clear what I'm referring to here.

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In earlier episodes, I've discussed how when you're trying

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to learn something it's beneficial,

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it's been shown in scientific studies,

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that if you take a 20-minute shallow nap

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or you simply do nothing after a period of learning,

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that it enhances the rates of learning

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and the depth of learning, your ability to learn

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and remember that information.

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What I'm about to describe are new data

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that say that you actually should be injecting rest

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within the learning episode.

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Now I'm not talking about going to sleep while learning.

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This is the way that the study was done:

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the study involved, having people learn sequences

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of numbers or keys on a piano.

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So let's use the keys on a piano example.

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I'm not a musician, but I think I'll get this correct.

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They asked people to practice a sequence of keys,

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G-D-F-E-G; G-D-F-E-G; G-D-F-E-G.

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And they would practice that either continually

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for a given amount of time, or they would just do that

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for 10 seconds, they would play G-D-F-E-G,

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G-D-F-E-G, G-D-F-E-G, G-D-F-E-G for 10 seconds.

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And then they would take a 10-second pause or rest.

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They would just space take a space or a period of time

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where they do nothing for 10 seconds

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then they would go back to G-D-F-E-G, G-D-F-E-G.

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So the two conditions, essentially,

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were to have people practice continually,

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lots of repetitions, or to inject or insert

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these periods of 10 seconds idle time

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where they're not doing anything,

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they're not looking at their phone,

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they're not focusing on anything,

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they're just letting their mind drift

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wherever it wants to go

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and they are not touching the keys on the keyboard.

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What they found was that the rates of learning,

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the skill acquisition and the retention of the skill

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was significantly faster when they injected

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these short periods of rest, these 10-second rest periods.

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And the rates of learning were,

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when I say significantly faster,

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were much, much faster.

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I'll reveal what that was in just a moment,

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but you might ask why would this work?

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Why would it be that injecting these 10-second rest periods

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would enhance rates of learning?

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What they called them was micro-offline gains

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because they're taking their brain offline

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from the learning task for a moment.

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Well, turns out the brain isn't going offline at all.

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You've probably heard of the hippocampus,

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the area of the brain involved in memory and the neocortex,

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the area of the brain that's involved

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in processing sensory information.

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Well, it turns out that during these brief periods of rest,

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these 10-second rest periods,

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the hippocampus and the cortex are active in ways

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such that you get a 20 times repeat of the G-D-F-E-G.

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It's a temporal compression, as they say.

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So basically, the rehearsal continues while you rest,

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but at 20 times the speed.

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So if you were normally getting just,

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let's just say five repetitions

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of G-D-F-E-G, G-D-F-E-G, G-D-F-E-G per 10 seconds.

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Now you multiply that times 20.

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In the rest periods, you've practiced it 100 times.

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Your brain has practiced it.

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We know this because they were doing brain imaging,

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functional imaging of these people

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with brain scanners while they were doing this.

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This is an absolutely staggering effect

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and it's one that, believe it or not,

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has been hypothesized or thought to exist

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for a very long time.

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This effect is called the spacing effect.

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And it was actually first proposed by Ebbington in 1885.

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And since then, it's been demonstrated

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for a huge number of different, what they call domains,

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in the cognitive domain.

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So for learning languages, in the physical domain,

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so for learning skills that involve a motor sequence.

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It's been demonstrated for a huge number

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of different categories of learning.

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If you want to learn all about the spacing effect

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and the categories of learning that it can impact,

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there's a wonderful review article.

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I'll provide a link to it.

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The title of the review article is parallels

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between spacing effects during behavioral

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and cellular learning.

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What that review really does

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is it ties the behavioral learning

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and the improvement of skill to the underlying changes

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in neurons that can explain that learning.

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I should mention that the paper that I'm referring to,

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the more recent paper that injects

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these 10-second little micro-offline gains,

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rest periods is the work of the laboratory of Leonard Cohen,

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not the musician, Leonard Cohen.

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He passed away, he was not a neuroscientist;

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a wonderful poet and musician, but not a neuroscientist.

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Again, the paper was published in Cell Reports

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and we will provide a link to the full paper as well.

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So the takeaway is if you're trying to learn something,

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you need to get those reps in,

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but one way that you can get 20 times,

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the number of reps in is by injecting

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these little 10-second periods of doing nothing.

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Again, during those rest periods,

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you really don't want to attend to anything else,

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as much as possible.

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You could close your eyes if you want,

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or you can just simply wait

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and then get right back into generating repetitions.

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I find these papers that Cell Reports and other journals

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have been publishing recently to be fascinating

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because they're really helping us understand

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what are the best protocols for learning anything.

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And they really leverage the fact that the brain

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is willing to generate repetitions for us,

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provided that we give it the rest that it needs.

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So inject rest throughout the learning period.

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And if you can, based on the scientific data,

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you would also want to take a 20-minute nap

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or a 20-minute decompress period

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where you're not doing anything after a period of learning.

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I think those could both synergize

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in order to enhance learning even further,

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although that hasn't been looked at yet.

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Before we begin talking about hearing and balance,

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I just want to mention that this podcast

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is separate from my teaching and research roles at Stanford.

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Can you hear me?

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Can you hear me?

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Okay, well, if you can hear me, that's amazing

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because what it means is that my voice

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is causing little tiny changes in the airwaves

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wherever you happen to be.

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And that your ears and whatever's contained in those ears

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and in your brain can take those sound waves

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and make sense of them.

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And that is an absolutely fantastic

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and staggering feat of biology and yet we understand

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a lot about how that process works.

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So I'm going to teach it to you now in simple terms

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over the next few minutes.

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So what we call ears have a technical name.

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That technical name is oracles,

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but more often they're called pinna,

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the pinnas, P-I-N-N-A, pinna.

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And the pinnas of your ears,

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this outer part that is made of cartilage and stuff

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is arranged such that it can capture sound

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in the best way for your head size.

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We're going to talk about ear size also,

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'cause it turns out that your ears change size

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across the lifespan and that how big your ears are

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or rather how fast your ears are changing size

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is a pretty good indication of how fast you're aging.

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So we'll get to that in a few minutes,

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but I want to talk about these things that we call ears

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and some of the stuff contained within them

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that allow us to hear.

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So the shape of these ears that we have

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is such that it amplifies high-frequency sounds.

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High frequency sounds, as the name suggests,

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is the squeakier stuff.

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So low frequency sound, Costello snoring in the background

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that's a low frequency sound or high frequency sound, okay?

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So we have low frequency sounds and high frequency sounds

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and everything in between.

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Now those sound waves get captured by our ears.

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And those sound waves, for those of you

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that don't maybe fully conceptualize sound waves,

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are literally just fluctuations or shifts

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in the way that air is moving toward your ear

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and through space.

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In the same way that water can have waves,

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air can have waves.

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So it's reverberation of air.

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Those come in through your ears

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and you have what's called your eardrum.

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And on the inside of your eardrum,

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there's a little bony thing that shaped

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like a little hammer.

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So attached to that eardrum,

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which can move back and forth like a drum,

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it's a little membrane, you got this hammer attached to it.

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And that hammer has three parts.

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For those of you that want to know,

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those three parts are called malleus, incus and stapes.

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But basically, you can just think about it as a hammer.

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So you've got this eardrum and then a hammer.

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And then that hammer has to hammer on something.

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And what it does is it hammers on a little coiled piece

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of tissue that we call the cochlea,

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sometimes called the cochlea,

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depending on where somebody lives in the country.

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So, typically, in the Midwest, on the East Coast,

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they call them coh-chleah.

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And on the West Coast, we call them caw-cochlea, same thing.

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So this snail-shaped structure in your inner ear

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is where sound gets converted into electrical signals

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that the brain can understand.

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But I want to just bring your attention

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to that little hammer because that little hammer

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is really, really cool.

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What it means is that sound waves come in through your ears,

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that's what's happening right now,

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that eardrum that you have, it's like the top of a drum.

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It's like a membrane, or it can move back and forth.

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It's not super rigid and it moves that little hammer.

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And then the hammer goes, doom-doom-doom-doom

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and hits this coil-shaped thing

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that we're calling the cochlea.

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Now the cochlea, at one end, is more rigid than the other.

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So one part can move really easily

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and the other part doesn't move very easily.

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And that turns out to be very important

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for decoding or separating sounds that are low frequency

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like Costello's snoring and sounds

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that are of high frequency, like a shriek or a shrill.

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And that's because within that little coil thing,

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we call the cochlea, you have all these tiny little

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what are called hair cells.

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Now they look like hairs, but they're not at all related

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to the hairs on your head or elsewhere on your body.

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They're just shaped like hair, so we call them hair cells.

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Those hair cells, if they move, send signals into the brain

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that a particular sound is in our environment.

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And if those hair cells don't move,

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it means that particular sound is not in our environment.

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So just to give you the mental picture of this,

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sound waves are coming in, because there's stuff out there,

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making noises like my voice;

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it's changing the patterns of air around you

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in very, very subtle ways;

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that information is getting funneled into your ears

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because your pinnas are shaped in a particular way.

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The eardrum then moves this little hammer

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and the hammer bangs on this little snail-shaped thing.

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And because that snail-shaped thing, at one end,

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is very rigid, it doesn't want to move

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and at the other end, it's very flexible,

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it can separate out high-frequency and low-frequency sounds.

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And the fact that this thing in your inner ear

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that we call the cochlea is coiled,

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is actually really important to understand

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because along its length,

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it varies in how rigid or flexible it is,

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I already mentioned that before and at the base,

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it's very rigid and that's where the hair cells,

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if they move, will make high-frequency sounds,

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and at the top, what's called the apex,

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it's very flexible and it's more like a bass drum.

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So basically what happens is sound waves come

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into your ears and then at one end of this thing

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that we call the cochlea, at the top,

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it's essentially encoding or only responding

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to sounds that are like, doom-doom-doom-doom.

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Whereas, at the bottom, it responds to high-frequency sounds

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like a cymbal, [clanging].

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And everywhere in between, we have other frequencies,

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medium frequencies.

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Now this should stagger your mind.

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If it doesn't already, it should.

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Because what this means is that everything

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that's happening around us,

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whether or not it's music or voices or crying

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or screaming or screaming of delight from small children

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who are excited, 'cause they're playing

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or 'cause they get cake;

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all of that is being broken down into its component parts

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and then your brain is making sense of what it means.

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These things that I've been talking about,

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like the pinna of your ears and this little hammer

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and the cochlea, that's all purely mechanical.

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It has no mind of its own.

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It's just breaking things down into high frequencies,

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medium frequencies and low frequencies.

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And if you don't understand sound frequency,

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it's really simple to understand,

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just imagine ripples on a pond.

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And if those ripples are very close together,

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that's high frequency; they occur at high frequency.

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If those ripples are further apart, it's low frequency.

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And obviously, medium frequency is in between.

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So just like you can have waves in water,

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you can have waves in air.

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So that's really how it works.

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Now we are all familiar with light

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and how, if you take a prism and put it in front of light,

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it will split that light into its different wavelengths,

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its different colors, red, green, blue, et cetera.

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So like the Pink Floyd "Dark Side of the Moon" album,

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I think, has a prism and it's converting white light

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into all the colors, all the wavelengths

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that are contained in white light.

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Your cochlea, essentially, acts as a prism.

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It takes all the sound in your environment

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and it splits up those sounds into different frequencies.

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So you can think of the cochlea of your ear,

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sort of like a prism and then the brain takes

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that information and puts it back together

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and makes sense of it.

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So those hair cells in each of your two cochlea,

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because you have two ears, you also have two cochlea,

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send little wires, what we call axons

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that convey their patterns of activity into the brain.

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And there are a number of different stations

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within the brain that information arrives at

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before it gets up to the parts of your brain,

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where you are consciously aware.

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And because some of you have asked for more names

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and nomenclature, I'll give that to you.

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If you don't want a lot of detailed names,

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you can just ignore what I'm about to say.

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But, basically, the cochlea send information

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to what's called the spiral ganglion.

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A ganglion, by the way, if you're going to learn

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any neuroscience, just know that anytime you hear ganglion,

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a ganglion is just a clump, so it means a bunch of neurons.

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So a clump of cells.

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So the spiral ganglion is a bunch of neurons

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that the information then goes off

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to what are called the cochlear nuclei in the brainstem.

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Brainstem is down near your neck,

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then up to a structure that has a really cool name

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called the superior olive,

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because you have one on each side of your brain.

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And if I were to bring you to my lab and show you

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the superior olives in your brain or anyone else's brain,

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they look like little olives,

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even that little divot in them that to me,

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it looks like a pimiento,

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but they just call them the superior olive.

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And then the neurons in the superior olive,

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then they send information up

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to what's called the inferior colliculus,

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only called inferior because it sits below

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a structure called the superior colliculus.

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And then the information goes up to what's called

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the medial geniculate nucleus.

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And then up to your neocortex

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where you make sense of it all.

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Now you don't have to remember all that,

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but you should know that there are a lot of stations

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in which auditory information is processed

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before it gets up to our conscious detection.

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And there is a good reason for that,

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which is that more important than knowing

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what you're hearing, you need to know

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where it's coming from.

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It's vital to our survival, that if something, for instance,

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is falling toward us, that we know if it's coming

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to our right side, if it's going to hit us from behind,

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we have to know, for instance,

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if a car is coming at us from our left or from our right.

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And our visual system can help with that.

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But our auditory and our visual system collaborate

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to help us find and locate the position of things in space.

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That should come as no surprise.

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If you hear somebody talking off to your right,

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you tend to turn to your right, not to your left.

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If you see somebody's mouth moving in front of you,

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you tend to assume that the sound is going to come

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from right in front of you.

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Disruptions in this auditory hearing

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and visual matching are actually the basis

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of what's called the ventriloquism effect,

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which we'll talk about in a few minutes in more depth.

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But the ventriloquism effect can basically be described

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in simple terms as when you essentially think

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that a sound is coming from a location

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that it's not actually coming from.

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We'll talk about that in a moment

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but what I'd like you to realize

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is that one of these stations, deep in your brainstem

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is responsible for helping you identify where sounds

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are coming from through a process

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that's called interaural time differences.

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And that sounds fancy, but really,

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the way you know where things are coming from,

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what direction a car or a boss or a person is coming from

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is because the sound lands in one ear before the other.

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And you have stations in your brain,

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meaning you have neurons in your brain

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that calculate the difference in time of arrival

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for those sound waves in your right versus your left ear.

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And if they arrive at the same time,

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you assume that thing is making noise right in front of you.

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If it's off to your right,

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you assume it's over on your right.

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And if the sound arrives first to your left ear,

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you assume, quite correctly,

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that the thing is coming toward your left ear.

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So it's a very simple and mechanical system

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at the level of sound localization.

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But what about up and down?

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If you think about it, a sound coming from above

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is going to land on your right ear

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and your left ear at the same time.

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A sound from below is going to land on your right ear

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and your left ear at the same time.

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So the way that we know where things are

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in terms of what's called elevation,

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where they are in the up and down plane

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is by the frequencies.

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The shape of your ears actually modifies the sound

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depending on whether or not it's coming straight at you,

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from the floor or from high above.

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And so already at the level of your ears,

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you are taking information about the outside world

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and determining where that information is coming from.

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Now, this all happens very, very fast and it's subconscious

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but now you know why if people really want to hear something,

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they make a cup around their ear.

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They essentially make their ear

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into more of a fennec fox type ear.

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If you've ever seen those cute little fennec fox things,

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they have these big spiky ears,

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they look like a French bulldog,

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although the fox version version of the French bulldog.

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This big, tall ears,

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and they have excellent sound localization.

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And so when people lean in with their ear,

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with their hand like this, if you're listening to this,

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I'm just cupping my hand at my ear,

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I'm giving myself a bigger pinna.

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And if I do it on the left side, I can do this side.

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And if I really want to hear something, I do it on both sides.

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So this isn't just gesturing,

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this actually serves a mechanical role.

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And actually, if you want to hear where things

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are coming from with a much greater degree of accuracy,

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this can actually help because you're capturing sound waves

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and funneling them better.

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It's really remarkable, this whole system.

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So you've got these two ears and because of the differences

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in the timing of when things arrive in those two ears,

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as well as these differences in the frequencies

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that certain things sound,

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or I should say the differences in the frequencies

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that arrive at your ears,

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depending on whether or not the thing is above you

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or right in front of you or below you,

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you're able to make out where things are

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in space pretty well.

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So now you're probably starting to realize

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that these two things on the side of our head

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that we call ears are there for a lot more

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than hanging earrings on or for other aesthetic purposes

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or for putting sunglasses on top of.

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They are very powerful devices

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for allowing us to capture sound waves from our environment.

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Now I have a question for you,

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which is, can you move your ears?

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It turns out that unlike other animals,

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humans are not terrifically good at moving their ears.

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Other animals can move their ears even independently.

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So Costello is pretty good at raising his ears,

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the two of them together,

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He can't really move his ear separately.

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Some dogs can do that really well.

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In fact, sighthounds and some scenthounds

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do that exquisitely well.

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Some animals like deer and other animals

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that really have very acute hearing

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will put one ear down to a very particular angle

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and will tilt the other one

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and they will actually capture information

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about two distant sound-making organisms,

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those could be hunters coming after them

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or other animals coming after them.

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They are very good at doing this.

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We're not so good at it.

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But about 60% of people, it's thought,

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can move their ears consciously

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without having to touch their ear.

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So can you do that?

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Maybe you should try it.

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Ask someone to look at you

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and see whether or not you can do it.

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The typical distances that people can move it

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is usually no more than two or three millimeters.

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It's subtle but can you flap your pinna

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with just using mental control?

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If you can, or if you can't,

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try looking all the way to your right

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or all the way to your left.

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Obviously, if you're driving a car

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or doing something or exercising,

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don't put yourself in danger right now.

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But if you move your eyes all the way to your left,

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which I'm doing now or all the way to my right,

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you might feel a little bit of a contraction of the muscles

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that control ear movement.

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Now I want to ask you this: can you raise one eyebrow?

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I'm not very good at it, I can do a little bit,

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but it's mostly by like cramping down my face on one side.

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And I certainly can't raise my right eyebrow.

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I can only do my left eyebrow.

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Trying to talk while I'm doing this,

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that's why it looks strange.

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People who can raise one eyebrow very easily,

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almost always, can move their ears

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without having to touch them.

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It's controlled by the same motor pathway.

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And there does seem to be a small,

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but statistically significant sex difference

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in the ability to move one's ears.

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Typically, men can do this more than women can,

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although plenty of women can move their ears as well.

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Now, if you think that is all a little strange or off topic,

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it's not because what we're really talking about here

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is a system of the brain, but also of the body

Time: 1865.52

of the musculature for localizing things in space.

Time: 1868.44

And so you might find it interesting to note

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that one of the things that we share very closely

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with other primates, with non-human primates,

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like macaque monkeys and chimpanzees,

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if you look at their ears,

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their ears are remarkably similar to our ears,

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or rather our ears are remarkably similar to their ears.

Time: 1889.94

The eyes of certain monkeys like macaque monkeys

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are remarkably similar to human eyes.

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This is one of the reasons why,

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if you look at a baby macaque monkey,

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it has this unbelievably human element to it.

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But the ears of these primates is very similar

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to our ears; our ears, similar to their ears.

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If you're interested in ear movements

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and what they could mean and some of the things

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that ear movements correlate with in other aspects

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of our biology, there's a nice paper, actually,

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a scientific paper.

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The author's last name is Code, C-O-D-E,

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it was published in 1995.

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I'll give a reference to that.

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It's a review article that discusses

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some of the sex differences in ear movement control,

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as well as the relationship between ear movements

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and eye movements.

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And it's a pretty accessible paper.

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It's one that I think any of you who are interested

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in this topic could parse fairly easily.

Time: 1947.05

And there's some very interesting underlying biology

Time: 1949.9

and some theories as to why humans

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would have this so-called vestigial

Time: 1954.35

or ancient carry-over of a system for moving our ears.

Time: 1958.82

Now, if ear movement seems strange,

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next, I want to talk about a different feature

Time: 1965.258

of your hearing and ears that's even stranger,

Time: 1969.96

but that has some really interesting implications

Time: 1972.663

for your biology.

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And I'm guessing that you've not heard of this.

Time: 1981.14

What am I about to describe

Time: 1982.38

are called otoacoustic emissions.

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And otoacoustic emissions, as the name suggests,

Time: 1988.21

are sounds that your ears make.

Time: 1992.26

Believe it or not, 70% of people make noises

Time: 1997.08

with their ears, but they don't actually detect them.

Time: 2000.41

Like I said, you've never heard of this.

Time: 2001.87

Okay, that's not what I mean.

Time: 2004.62

But what I do mean is that 70% of people's ears

Time: 2008.72

are making noise that's cast out of the ear.

Time: 2011.97

And these otoacoustic emissions, actually,

Time: 2013.87

can be detected by microphones.

Time: 2015.41

Sometimes they can be detected by other people

Time: 2017.9

in the room if they have very good hearing.

Time: 2020.52

Now, it turns out that women or, I should be technical here,

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females who report themselves as heterosexual,

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have a higher frequency, not frequency of sound,

Time: 2032.7

but a higher frequency of otoacoustic emissions

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than do men who report themselves as heterosexual.

Time: 2040.47

Women who report themselves as homosexual or bisexual,

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make fewer otoacoustic emissions than heterosexual women.

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These are data that come from Dennis McFadden's lab

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at the University of Texas, Austin.

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He actually discovered these,

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what are called sexual dimorphisms and differences

Time: 2060.51

based on sexual orientation without looking for them.

Time: 2063.57

He was studying hearing.

Time: 2065.01

He's a auditory scientist and people were coming

Time: 2068.05

into his laboratory and they were detecting

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these otoacoustic emissions.

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And they started to notice the group differences

Time: 2075.07

in otoacoustic emissions.

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So they started asking people about their sex

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and about their sexual orientation.

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And these differences fell out of the data, as we say.

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And it's interesting because otoacoustic emissions

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are not something that we associate

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with sex or sexual dimorphism.

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But what these data really underscore is, first of all,

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a lot of us are making noises with our ears,

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some of us more than others.

Time: 2099.45

And that exposure to certain combinations of hormones

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during development are very likely shaping the way

Time: 2107.52

that our hearing apparati, meaning the cochlea

Time: 2110.67

and the pinna and all sorts of things,

Time: 2112.59

how those develop and how those functions

Time: 2114.44

throughout the lifespan.

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We did do an episode on hormones and sexual development,

Time: 2119.21

which gets much deeper into the other effects

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that hormones have on the developing brain and body.

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If you want to check out that episode,

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we will put a link to it in the captions.

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So now I want to shift to talking

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about ways to leverage your hearing system,

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your auditory system so that you can learn anything,

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not just auditory information, but anything faster.

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I get a lot of questions about so-called binaural beats.

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Binaural beats, as their name suggests,

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involve playing one frequency of sound to one ear

Time: 2152.51

and a different frequency of sound to the other ear.

Time: 2155.23

So it might be doomed, doon, doon, doon to your right ear,

Time: 2159.23

and it might be to ding-ding-ding-ding-ding-ding

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to the left ear.

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And the idea is that the brain

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will take those two frequencies of sound

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and because the pathways that bring information

Time: 2172.3

from the ears into the brain, eventually crossover,

Time: 2174.92

they actually share that information with both sides

Time: 2177.64

of the brain, that the brain will average that information

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and come up with this sort of intermediate frequency.

Time: 2185.05

And the rationale is that those intermediate frequencies

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place the brain into a state that is better for learning.

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And when I say better for learning,

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I want to be precise about what I mean.

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That could mean more focus for encoding

Time: 2199.592

or bringing the information in.

Time: 2202.86

As you may have heard me say before,

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we have to be alert and focused in order to learn.

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There is no passive learning

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unless we're little tiny infants.

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So can binaural beats make us more focused?

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Can binaural beats allow us to relax more if we're anxious?

Time: 2218.8

I know some people, they go to the dentist

Time: 2220.33

and the dentist offers binaural beats

Time: 2222.4

as they drill into your teeth and give root canals

Time: 2224.69

and things of that sort, probably causing some anxiety

Time: 2226.85

just describing those things right now.

Time: 2229.75

But those are available in many dental practices.

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Binaural beats have been thought to increase creativity,

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or at least they have been proposed to increase creativity.

Time: 2240.66

So what does the scientific data say about binaural beats?

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There are a number of different apps out there

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that offer binaural beats.

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There are a number of different programs.

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I think you can also even just find these on YouTube

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and on the internet.

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But typically, it's an app and you'll program in

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a particular outcome that you want:

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more focused, more creative, fall asleep,

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less anxious, et cetera.

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So what does the scientific data say?

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So believe it or not, the science on binaural beats

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is actually quite extensive and very precise.

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So sound waves are measured, typically,

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in hertz or kilohertz.

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I know many of you aren't familiar

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with thinking about things in hertz or kilohertz.

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But again, just remember those waves on a pond,

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those ripples on a pond.

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If they're close together, then they are of high-frequency.

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And if they're far apart, than they are of low frequency.

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So when you hear more hertz,

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what you're essentially hearing is higher frequency.

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And so if it's many more kilohertz

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then it's much higher frequency

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than if it's fewer hertz or kilohertz.

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And so you may have heard of these things as delta waves

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or theta waves or alpha waves or beta waves, et cetera.

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Delta waves would be big, slow waves, so low frequency.

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And, indeed, there is quality evidence

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from peer-reviewed studies that are not sponsored

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by companies that make binaural beat apps

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that tell us that delta waves like one to four hertz,

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so very low frequency sounds, think Costello's snoring,

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can help in the transition to sleep and for staying asleep.

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And that theta rhythms,

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which are more like four to eight hertz

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can bring the brain into a state of subtle sleep

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or meditation, so deeply relaxed, but not fully asleep.

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And then you can sort of ascend

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the staircase of findings here, so to speak.

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And you'll find evidence that alpha waves,

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eight to 13 hertz can increase alertness

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to a moderate level.

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That's a great state for the brain to be in

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for recall of existing information.

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And that beta waves, 15 to 20 hertz

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are great for bringing the brain

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into focus states for sustained thought

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or for incorporating new information

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and especially gamma waves, the highest frequency,

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the most frequent ripples of sound, so to speak,

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32 to 100 hertz for learning and problem-solving.

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Now, all of this matches, or I should say,

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maps onto what I've said before

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about learning really nicely,

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which is that you need to be in a highly alert state

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in order to bring new information in,

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in order to access a state of mind

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in which you can tell your brain or the brain

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is telling itself, okay, I need to learn this.

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This is why stress and unfortunate circumstances

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are so memorable is because our brain gets

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into a really high alert system.

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Here, we're talking about the use of binaural beats

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in order to increase our level of alertness

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or our level of calmness.

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Now that's important to underscore because it's not

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that there's something fundamentally important

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about the binaural beats.

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They are yet another way of bringing the brain

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into states of deep relaxation

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through low frequency sound or highly alert states

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for focused learning with more high-frequency sound.

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So they are effective and I'll review a little bit

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of the data in detail, they're effective,

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but it's not that they're uniquely special for learning.

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It's just that they can help some people bring

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their brain into the state that allows them to learn better.

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So there are a lot of studies that allowed us to arrive,

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or I should say allowed the field to arrive

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on these parameters of slow, slow,

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low frequency waves are going to bring you into relaxed states,

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high frequency waves into more alert states.

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There's very good evidence for anxiety reduction

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from the use of binaural beats.

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And what's interesting is anxiety reduction seems

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to be most effective when the binaural beats

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are bringing the brain into delta,

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so those slow big waves like sleep, theta and alpha states.

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And I'll link to a couple of these studies

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although I will probably link more to the list

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that really segregates them out one by one

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so you can see them all next to one another.

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There's good evidence that binaural beats

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can be used to treat pain, chronic pain.

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There's three studies in peer-reviewed journals

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which I took a look at, and they seem to be of good quality,

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not sponsored research, as we say,

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not paid for by any specific company.

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Binaural beats have been shown

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to modestly improve cognition,

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attention, working memory and even creativity.

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But the real boost from binaural beats appears

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to be for anxiety reduction and pain reduction.

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Some people might find these beneficial

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for these oral surgeries, right?

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Believe it or not, there are people

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who would rather have the entire root canal

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or cavity drilled without Novocaine.

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And that's because they sometimes have a syringe phobia

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or something of that sort

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or they just don't like being numb from the Novocaine,

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or maybe there's an underlying medical reason.

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But I think most people do don't enjoy getting

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their teeth drilled even if they have Novocaine in there

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or a root canal.

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And so it seems that binaural beats can be effective

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in that environment.

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And you don't have to go

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into that sort of extreme environment

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to benefit from binaural beats.

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Binaural beats are a either relatively inexpensive thing

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to access, most of the apps are pretty inexpensive.

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I don't have a favorite binaural beats app

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to recommend to you.

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I confess I did use binaural beats a few years ago.

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I shifted over to other what I call NSDR,

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non-sleep deep rest protocols in favor of those,

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but many people like binaural beats

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and say that they benefit from them,

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especially while studying or learning.

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I think part of the reason for that relates

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to the ability to channel our focus

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when we have some background noise.

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And this is something I also get asked about a lot.

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Is it better to listen to music and have background noise

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when studying or is it better to have complete silence?

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Well, there's actually a quite good literature

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on this as well, but not so much as it relates

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to binaural beats, but rather whether or not people

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are listening to music, so-called white noise, brown noise;

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believe it or not, there's white noise

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and there's brown noise, there's even pink noise

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and how that impacts brain states

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that allow us to learn information better or not.

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So now I'd like to talk about white noise

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and I want to be very clear that white noise

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has been shown to really enhance brain states for learning

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in certain individuals, in particular, in adults.

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But white noise actually can have a detrimental effect

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on auditory learning and maybe even the development

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of the auditory system in very young children

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in particular in infants.

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So first I'd like to talk

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about the beneficial effects of white noise on learning.

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There are some really excellent studies on this.

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The first one that I'd like

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to just highlight is one that's entitled:

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Low Intensity White Noise Improves Performance

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in Auditory Working Memory Task, an fMRI Study.

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This is a study that explored

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whether or not learning could be enhanced

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by playing white noise in the background.

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But the strength of the study is that they looked

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at some of the underlying neural circuitry

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and the activation of the neural circuitry

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in these people as they did the learning task.

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And what it, essentially, illustrates

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is that white noise, provided that white noise

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is of low enough intensity, meaning not super loud,

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not imperceptible, so not so quiet that you can't hear it,

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but not super loud either,

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it actually could enhance learning to a significant degree.

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And this has been shown now

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for a huge number of different types of learning.

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There's a terrific article as well

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in a somewhat obscure journal, at least,

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obscure to me, which is:

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The Effects of Noise Exposure on Cognitive Performance

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and Brain Activity Patterns.

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That's a study involving 54 subjects.

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They, basically, were evaluated for mental workload

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and attention under different levels of noise exposure,

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background noise and different, essentially,

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loudness of noise.

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And the reason I like this study is that they looked

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at different levels of noise and types of noise,

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and they varied a number of different things,

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as opposed to just doing a two-condition,

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either white noise or no white noise type thing.

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And what they found, again, is that provided the white noise

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is not extremely loud,

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it could really enhance brain function

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for sake of learning any number

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of different kinds of information.

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Now that's all great, but it really doesn't get to

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the deeper guts of mechanism.

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And as a neuroscientist, what I really want to see

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is not just that something has an effect.

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That's always nice.

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It's always nice to see in a nice peer-reviewed study

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without any kind of commercial biases

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that there's an effect, binaural beats can enhance learning

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or listening to white noise, not too loud

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can enhance learning.

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But you really want to understand mechanism

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because once you understand mechanism,

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not only does it start to make sense,

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but you can also imagine ways in which

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you could develop better tools and protocols.

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So I was very relieved to find,

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or I should say excited to find this study published

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in the Journal of Cognitive Neuroscience,

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this is a 2014 paper, White Noise Improves Learning

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by Modulating Activity in Dopaminergic Mid-Brain Regions

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and Right Superior Temporal Sulcus.

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Now I don't expect you to know

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what the right spirit temporal sulcus is.

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I don't expect you to know

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what the dopamine midbrain region is, but if you're like me,

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you probably took highlighted notice

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of the word dopaminergic.

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Dopamine is a neuromodulator, meaning it's a chemical

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that's released in our brain and body,

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but mostly in our brain that modulates,

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meaning controls the likelihood

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that certain brain areas will be active

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and other brain areas won't be active.

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And dopamine is associated with motivation.

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Dopamine is associated with craving.

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Motivation is associated with all sorts of different things,

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including movement but what this study so nicely shows

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is that white noise can really enhance

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the activity of neurons in what's called

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the substantia nigra VTA.

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The substantia nigra VTA is a very rich source of dopamine

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and that's because it's very chockablock full

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of dopamine neurons.

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It's an area of the brain that is, perhaps,

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the richest source of dopamine neurons.

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And you actually can see this brain region

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under the microscope if you take a slice of brain

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or you look at a brain without even staining it

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for any proteins or dopamine or anything.

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It's two very dark regions at the bottom of the brain.

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And the reason it's called substantia nigra,

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nigra meaning dark is because the dopamine neurons

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actually make something that makes those neurons dark.

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And so you've got these two regions down there,

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that contain dopamine and can release dopamine

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and, essentially, activate other brain regions

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and activate our sense of motivation

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and activate our sense of desire

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to continue focusing and learning.

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But you can't just snap your fingers

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and make them release dopamine.

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You actually have to trigger dopamine release from them.

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Now that trigger can be caused by being very excited

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about something or the fact that that thing gave you

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a lot of pleasure in the past,

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or you're highly motivated by fear or desire.

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But what's so interesting to me is that it appears

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that white noise itself can raise what we call the basal,

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the baseline levels of dopamine that are being released

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from this area, the substantia nigra.

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So now we're starting to get a more full picture

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of how particular sounds in our environment

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can increase learning.

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And that's, in part, I believe,

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through the release of dopamine from substantia nigra.

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So I'm not trying to shift you away from binaural beats,

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if that's your thing, but it does appear

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that turning on white noise at a low level, not too loud.

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You may say, "Well, how loud?"

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And I'll tell you in a moment,

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but not too loud can allow you to learn better

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because of the ways that it's modulating

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your brain chemistry.

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So how loud or how soft should that white noise be

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while you learn?

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Well, in these studies, it seemed that white noise

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that could be heard by the person,

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so it wasn't imperceptible to them,

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so it was loud enough that they could hear, but not so loud

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that they felt it was intrusive or irritating to them.

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So that's going to differ from person to person

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because people have different levels

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of auditory sensitivity.

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It's going to depend on age, going to depend

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on a number of different factors.

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So I can't tell you turn to level two

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on your volume controller.

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That's just not going to work.

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Also, I don't know how far you are

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from a given speaker in the room

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or if you've got earphones in your head

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or you've got speakers in the room

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or if it's coming out of your computer.

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I don't know those things.

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So what you're going to have to do is adjust

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that white noise to the place

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where it's not interfering with your ability to focus,

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but rather it's enhancing your ability to focus.

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I think a good rule of thumb is going to be to put it

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probably on the lower third of any kind of volume dial,

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as opposed to in the upper third,

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where it would really be blasting.

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And really blasting any noise, frankly, is not good,

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but that's especially not good, meaning it's especially bad

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if you have headphones in.

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I do want to mention something about headphones

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before I talk about white noise in the developmental context

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and why it can be dangerous there.

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When you put headphones in your ears,

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it has this incredible effect of making the sounds

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like they come from inside your head,

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not from out in the room.

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And now that might seem like kind of a duh,

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but that's actually really amazing, right?

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Your brain assumes that the sounds

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are coming from inside your head,

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as opposed from the environment

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that you're in the moment you put headphones in.

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So if you're listening to an audiobook

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or maybe you're listening to this podcast with headphones,

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that's very different than when you're listening

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to something out in the room and there are other sounds,

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other sound waves, especially if you use

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these noise-cancellation headphones.

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So if you're going to use white noise to enhance studying

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or learning of any kind, this also could be

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for skill-learning, motor skill-learning

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while you're exercising, my suggestion would be

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that if you're using headphones, to keep it quite low.

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This is an effect on the midbrain dopamine neurons

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that's a background effect of raising

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the baseline of dopamine release.

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The way that dopamine neurons fires, they're always firing;

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yours are firing right now, so are mine,

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when something exciting happens, they fire a lot.

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And when something disappointing happens,

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that firing, the release of dopamine

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goes down below baseline.

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What you're talking about here is raising

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your overall levels of attention and motivation,

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which translate to better learning

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by just tickling those neurons a little bit,

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raising the baseline firing.

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You're not turning up the white noise

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to the point where you're feeling amazing.

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This isn't like turning on your favorite song.

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This is actually the opposite.

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This is about getting that baseline up just a bit.

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So I recommend turning the volume up just a bit

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so that you can focus entirely on the task

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that you're trying to do.

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And, of course, you've turned on white noise

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so your attention might drift to that for a moment.

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Is it too loud? Is it too soft?

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If you can disappear into the work, so to speak,

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if your attention can disappear into the work,

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then that's probably sufficiently quiet.

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And for those of you that say,

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well, I like really loud music

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and if I just blast the music,

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then I forget about the music.

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I don't suggest blasting music.

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And this is coming from somebody

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who really likes loud music.

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I grew up with kind of a loud fast rules mentality,

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and if you don't know what loud fast rules means,

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then I can't help you, but there's a time and a place,

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perhaps, to listen to music loud

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but, especially, with headphones,

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you can trigger, excuse me, hearing loss quite rapidly.

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And unfortunately, because these hair cells

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that we talked about earlier,

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our central nervous system neurons, they do not regenerate,

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they do not come back.

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Now along the lines of hearing loss,

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I should just say that the best way

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to blow out your hearing for good,

Time: 3227.22

to eliminate your hearing is to have very loud sounds

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super imposed on a loud environment.

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So loud environments can cause hearing loss over time.

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So if you work at a construction site, clanging really loud,

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or if you work the sound board in a club or something,

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you are headed towards hearing loss

Time: 3245.76

unless you protect your hearing

Time: 3247.63

with earplugs and headphones.

Time: 3249.698

Nowadays, some of the ear plugs are very low profile,

Time: 3252.84

meaning you can't see them.

Time: 3253.89

So that's kind of nice, so you're not like the,

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when I was younger, like you didn't want to be the dork

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to go to the concert with the earplugs,

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but it turns out those dorks were smarter

Time: 3260.98

than everybody else, because they're not the ones

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who are craning their neck to try and hear trivial things

Time: 3267.97

at the age of 30 or so 'cause they blew out their hearing.

Time: 3272.49

So if you are working in a loud environment

Time: 3275.38

or you expose yourselves to a loud environment,

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you really want to avoid big inflections

Time: 3282.02

in sound above that.

Time: 3283.4

So loud environment plus fireworks,

Time: 3287.24

loud environment plus gunshot,

Time: 3289.19

loud environments plus very high-frequency intense sound,

Time: 3293.137

that's what we call the two-hit model,

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this is also true for concussion,

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that you can take a stimulus that normally

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would be below the threshold of injury,

Time: 3302.08

you add another stimulus at the same time,

Time: 3305.18

that would be below the threshold of injury.

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And then, suddenly, you killed the neurons.

Time: 3308.84

So I don't want to make people paranoid,

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but you do want to protect your hearing.

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It's no fun to lose your hearing.

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If you're going to use headphones and you feel

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like you want to crank it up all the way,

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just remember that the more that you can get

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out of a lower volume, meaning the longer

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that you can go listening to things at lower volume,

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the longer you'll be able to hear that music or that thing.

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So again, I'm not the hearing cop.

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That's not my job, but as somebody who's lost

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some of his high-frequency hearing,

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I can tell you it's not a pleasure.

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The old argument that it helps you not have to hear

Time: 3345.123

or listen to people that you don't want to listen to,

Time: 3347.32

that does it doesn't really work.

Time: 3348.38

They just send you text messages instead.

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So what about white noise and hearing loss in development?

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I know a lot of people with children

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have these noise machines like sound waves

Time: 3358.68

and things like that, that help the kids sleep.

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And look, I think kids getting good sleep

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and parents getting good sleep is vital

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to physical and mental health and family health.

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So I certainly sympathize with those needs.

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However, there are data that indicate

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that white noise during development

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can be detrimental to the auditory system.

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I don't want to frighten any parents

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if you played white noise to your kids,

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this doesn't mean that their auditory system

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or their speech patterns are going to be disrupted

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or that their interpretation of speech

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is going to be disrupted forever.

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But there are data published in the journal, Science,

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and Science being one of the three, APEX Journal,

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Science, Nature, Cell, the most stringent journals,

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data published in the journal, Science, some years ago,

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actually by a scientist who I know quite well,

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his name is Edward Chang, he's a medical doctor now,

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he's a neurosurgeon, he's actually

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the chair of neurosurgery at UCSF

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and he runs a laboratory where they study auditory learning,

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neuroplasticity, et cetera, he and his mentor at the time,

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Mike Merzenich published a paper showing

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that if young animals and this was in animal models

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were exposed to white noise, so [shushing]

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the very type of noise that I'm saying as a older person,

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and when I say older, I mean, somebody who's

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in their late teens, early 20s and older

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could benefit from listening to that at a low level

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in the background for sake of learning,

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well, they exposed very young animals to this white noise,

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it actually disrupted the maps of the auditory world

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within the brain.

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And we haven't talked about these maps yet,

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but I want to take a moment and talk about them

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and explain this effect and what it might mean for you

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if you have kids or if you were exposed

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to a lot of white noise early on.

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So auditory information goes up into our cortex, into these,

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essentially, the outside portion of our brain

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that's responsible for all our higher level cognition

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and our planning, our decision-making, et cetera,

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creativity and up there,

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we have what are called tonotopic maps.

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What's a tonotopic map?

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Well, remember the cochlea, how it's coiled

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and at one end, it responds to high frequencies

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and the other end, it responds to low frequencies?

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Like a piano, the keys sound different

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as you extend down and up the piano keys.

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And it's organized in a very systematic way.

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It's not all intermixed high frequencies

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and low frequencies.

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It's organized in a very systematic way

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from one end to the other.

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Your visual system is in, what's called a retinotopic map.

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So neighboring points in space off to my right,

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like my two fingers off to my right

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are mapped to neighboring points in space in my brain.

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And that space right in front of me

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is mapped to a different location in my brain,

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but it's systematic, it's regular.

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It's not random. It's not salt and pepper.

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It goes from high to low or from right to center to left.

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In the auditory system,

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we have what are called tonotopic maps,

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where frequency, high frequency to low frequency

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and everything in between is organized

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in a very systematic way.

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Now our experience of life from the time

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we're a baby until the time that we die is not systematic.

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We don't hear low frequencies at one part of the room

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or at one part of the day and high frequencies

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is another part of the room and other part of the day,

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they're all intermixed.

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But if you remember, the cochlea separates them out.

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Just like a prism of light separates out

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the different wavelengths of light,

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the cochlea separates out the different frequencies.

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And the developing brain takes

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those separated out frequencies and learns this relationship

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between itself, meaning the child and the outside world.

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White noise, essentially contains no tonotopic information.

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The frequencies are all intermixed.

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It's just noise.

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Whereas when I speak, my voice has,

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now I'm getting technical, but it has what's called

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a certain envelope, meaning it has some low frequencies

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and some slightly higher frequency.

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Like I might a voice higher,

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although I'm not very good at that.

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My voice starts to crack and I can make my voice lower,

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although not as low as Costello's snore.

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So it has an envelope, it has a container.

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White noise has no container.

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It's like all the colors of the rainbow spread out together,

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which is actually what you get when you get white light

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white noise is analogous to white light.

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So one of the reasons why hearing a lot of white noise

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during development for long periods of time can be

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detrimental to the development of the auditory system

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is that these tonotopic maps don't form normally;

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at least, they don't in experimental animals.

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Now, the reason I'm raising this

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is that many people I know, in particular,

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friends who have small children, they say,

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"I want to use a white noise machine while I sleep.

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But is it okay for my baby to use a white noise machine?"

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And I consulted with various people, scientists about this.

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And they said, "Well, the baby is also hearing

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the parent's voices and is hearing music

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and it's hearing the dog bark.

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So it's not the only thing they're hearing."

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However, every single person that I consulted with said,

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"But there's neuroplasticity during sleep.

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That's when the kid is sleeping.

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And I don't know that you'd want to expose a child

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to white noise the entire night,

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because it might degrade that tonotopic map."

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It might not destroy it.

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It might not eliminate it,

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but it could make it a little less clear,

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like taking the keys on the piano

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and taping a few of them together, right?

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So you still got the highs and lows in the appropriate order

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and everything in between.

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But when you take the keys together,

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you don't get the same fidelity.

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You don't get the same precision of the noise

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that comes out of that piano.

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So, again, I don't want to scare anybody,

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but I would say if you are in a position

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to make the choice of either using white noise

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or something similar, pink noise is just a variation.

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It's got a little bit more of a certain frequency,

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just like pink light has a little bit more

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of a certain wavelength than white light.

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If you are in a position to make choices

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about things, to put in a young,

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especially very young child's sleeping environment,

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white noise might be something to consider avoiding.

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Again, I'm not telling you what to do,

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but it's something to perhaps consider avoiding.

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I don't think most pediatricians

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are going to be aware of these data,

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but if you talk to any auditory physiologists

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or an audiologist or somebody

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who studies auditory development,

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I'm fairly certain that they would have opinions about that.

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Now, whether or not their opinions agree with mine

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and these folks that I consulted with or not

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is a separate matter.

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I don't know, cause I don't know them,

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but it's something that I felt was important enough

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to cue you to, especially since I've highlighted,

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excuse me, the opposite effect is true in adulthood.

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Once your auditory system has formed,

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once it's established these tonotopic maps,

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then the presence of background white noise

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should not be a problem at all.

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In fact, it shouldn't be a problem at all

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because you're also not attending to it.

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The idea is that it's playing at a low enough volume

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that you forget it in the background

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and that it's supporting learning

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by bringing your brain into a heightened state of alertness

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and, especially, this heightened state of dopamine,

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dopaminergic activation of the brain,

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which will make it easier to learn faster

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and easier to learn the information.

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So now I want to talk about auditory learning

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and actually how you can get better

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at learning information that you hear,

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not just information that you see on a page

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or motor skill learning.

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There are a lot of reasons to want to do this.

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A lot of classroom teaching, whether or not it's by Zoom

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or in-person is auditory in nature.

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Not everything is necessarily written down for us.

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It's also good to get better at listening or so I'm told.

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So there's a phenomenon called the cocktail party effect.

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Now, even if you've never been to a cocktail party,

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you've experienced and participated

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in what's called the cocktail party effect.

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The cocktail party effect is where you are

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in an environment that's rich with sound,

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many sound waves coming from many different sources,

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many different things,

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so in a city, in a classroom,

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in a car that contains people having various conversations,

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you somehow need to be able to attend to specific components

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of those sound waves, meaning you need

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to hear certain people and not others.

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The reason it's called the cocktail party effect

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is that you and meaning your brain

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are exquisitely good at creating

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a cone of auditory attention,

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a narrow band of attention with which you can extract

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the information you care about

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and wipe away or erase all the rest.

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Now this takes work, it takes attention.

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One of the reasons why you might come home from

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a loud gathering, maybe a stadium, a sports event

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or a cocktail party, for that matter,

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and feel just exhausted is because if you were listening

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to conversations there or trying to listen

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to those conversations while watching the game

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and people moving past you and hearing all this noise,

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clinking of glasses, et cetera,

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it takes attentional effort and the brain uses up

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a lot of energy just at rest,

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but it uses up even more energy

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when you are paying strong attention to something,

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literally caloric energy burning up things like glucose,

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et cetera, even if you're ketogenic, it's burning up energy.

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So the cocktail party effect has been studied extensively

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in the field of neuroscience and we now know

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at a mechanistic level, how one accomplishes

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this feat of attending to certain sounds,

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despite the fact that we are being bombarded

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with all sorts of other sounds.

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So there are a couple ways that we do this.

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First of all, much as with our visual system,

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we can expand or contract our visual field of view,

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so we can go from panoramic vision,

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see the entire scene that we are in by dilating our gaze,

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talked a lot about this on this podcast and elsewhere.

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We can, for instance, keep our head and eyes stationary

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or mostly stationary, you don't have to be rigid about it,

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and you can expand your field of view

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so you can see the walls and ceiling and floor,

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can see yourself in the environment, that's panoramic view.

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It's what you would accomplish without having to try at all

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if you went to a horizon, for instance,

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or we can contract our field of view,

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I can bring my focus to a particular location,

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what we call a vergence point, directly in front of me.

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Now I'm pointing at the camera directly in front of me.

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We can do that, we can expand and contract

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our visual field of view.

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Well, we can expand and contract our auditory field of view,

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so to speak, our auditory window.

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You can try this next time you are in an environment

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that's rich with noise, meaning lots of different sounds.

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You can just tune out all the noise to a background chatter.

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You try not focus on any one particular sound

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and you get the background chatter of noise.

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And you'll find that it's actually very relaxing

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in comparison to trying to listen to somebody

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at a cocktail party or shouting back and forth.

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Now, if you're very, very interested in that person,

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or getting to know them better or what they're telling you,

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or some combination of those things,

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then you'll be very motivated to do it

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but nonetheless, it requires energy

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and effort and attention.

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How do we do this?

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Well, it's actually quite simple

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or, at least, it's simple, in essence,

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although the underlying mechanisms are complex.

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Here, I have to credit the laboratory

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of a guy named Mike Wehr, W-E-H-R,

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up at the University of Oregon who essentially

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figured out that we are able to accomplish

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this extraction of particular sounds.

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We can really hear one person or a small number of people

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amidst a huge background of chatter

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because we pay attention to the onset of words,

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but also to the offset of words.

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Now, the way to visualize this is if the background noise

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is just like a bunch of waves of noise,

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it's literally just sound waves coming every frequency,

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low frequency, high frequency, glasses clinking together.

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If you've got a game, people are shouting,

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people are talking on their phone,

Time: 4097.12

there's the crack of the ball,

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if somebody actually manages to hit the ball,

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the announcer, et cetera,

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but whatever we were paying attention to,

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we set up a cone of auditory attention,

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a tunnel of auditory attention, where we are listening

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although we don't realize it, we are listening

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for the onset and the offset of those words.

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Now this is powerful for a couple of reasons.

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First of all, it's a call to arms, so to speak,

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to disengage your auditory system

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when you don't need to focus your attention

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on something particular.

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So if you are somebody, you're coming home from work,

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you've had a very long day and you're trying to make out

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a particular conversation on background noise,

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you might consider just not having that conversation,

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just letting your auditory landscape be very broad,

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almost like panoramic vision.

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If you're trying to learn how to extract sound information,

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it could be notes of music, it could be scales of music,

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it could be words spoken by somebody else,

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maybe somebody is telling you what you need to say

Time: 4167.53

for a particular speech or the information

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that you need to learn for a particular topic,

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and they're telling it to you,

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deliberately paying attention both to the onset

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and to the offset of those words can be beneficial

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because it is exactly the way that the auditory system likes

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to bring in information.

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So one of the more common phenomenon

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that I think we all experience is you go to a party

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or you meet somebody new and you say hi,

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I would say, "Hi, I'm Andrew."

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And they'd say, "Hi, I'm Jeff," for instance.

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"Great to meet you."

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And then a minute later, I can't remember the guy's name.

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Now, is it because I don't care what his name is?

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No, somehow the presence

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of other auditory information interfered.

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It's not that my mind was necessarily someplace else.

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It's that the signal-to-noise as we say wasn't high enough.

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Somehow the way he said it or the way it landed on my ears,

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which is really all that matters,

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when it comes down to learning, is such that

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it just didn't achieve high enough signal-to-noise.

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The noise was too high or the signal was too low

Time: 4233.99

or some combination of those.

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So the next time you ask somebody's name,

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remember listen to the onset of what they say

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and the offset.

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So it would be paying attention to the j in Jeff

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and it would be paying attention to that in f in F,

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in Jeff, excuse me.

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And chances are, you'll be able to remember that name.

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Now, I don't know if people who are super learners

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of names do this naturally or not.

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I don't have access to their brains.

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I don't think they're going to give me access

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to their brains either.

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But it's a very interesting way to take the natural biology

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of auditory attention and learning and apply it to scenarios

Time: 4270.16

where you're trying to remember either people's names

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or specific information.

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Now, I do acknowledge that trying to learn every word

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in a sentence by paying attention

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to its onset and offset could actually be disruptive

Time: 4283.05

to the learning process.

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So this would be more for specific attention,

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like you're asking directions in a city and somebody says,

Time: 4289.56

okay, you say you're lost and they say, okay,

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you're going to go two blocks down,

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you're going to turn left.

Time: 4295.87

And then you're going to see a landmark on your right.

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And then you're going to go in the third door on your left.

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That's a lot of information, at least, for me.

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So the way you would want to listen to that

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is you're going to go down the road.

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See, I already forgot.

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You're going to go left and you're just going to program

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and instead of just hearing the word left,

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you're going to think the L at the front of left and the T.

Time: 4319.92

You're going to left, okay.

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So you're coding in specific words.

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And what this does is this hijacks

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these naturally-occurring attention mechanisms

Time: 4330.11

that the auditory system likes to use.

Time: 4332.55

So a little bit of data that for auditory encoding,

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this kind of thing can be beneficial.

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There are a lot of data that attention

Time: 4340.61

for auditory coding is beneficial.

Time: 4343.7

There are a little bit of data showing

Time: 4346.7

that deliberately encoding auditory information this way,

Time: 4350.02

meaning trying to learn auditory information this way

Time: 4352.8

can be beneficial or can accelerate learning.

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And some of these features of what I'm describing here,

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map onto some of the work that of Mike Merzenich and others

Time: 4363.63

that have been designed to try and overcome things

Time: 4366.55

like stutter and to treat various forms

Time: 4369.8

of auditory learning disorders.

Time: 4372.22

But more importantly, and perhaps more powerful

Time: 4376.64

is the work of Mike Merzenich that was done

Time: 4379.56

with his then graduate student, Gregg Recanzone

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that showed that, using the attentional system,

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we can actually learn much faster

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and we can actually activate neuroplasticity

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in the adult brain, something that's very challenging to do.

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And that the auditory system is one of the main ways

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in which we can access neuroplasticity more broadly.

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So I just want to take a couple of minutes

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and describe the work of Recanzone and Merzenich,

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because it's absolutely fantastic and fascinating.

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What they did is they had subjects try

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to learn auditory information,

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except that they told them to pay attention

Time: 4420.06

to particular frequencies.

Time: 4422.44

So now you know what frequencies are

Time: 4423.79

so, essentially, high-pitched sounds or low-pitched sounds.

Time: 4428.66

What they found was just passively listening

Time: 4432.34

to a bunch of stuff does not allow the brain to change

Time: 4436.22

and for that stuff to be remembered at all.

Time: 4438.96

That's not a surprise.

Time: 4439.97

We've all experienced the phenomenon

Time: 4442.66

of having someone talk and we see their mouth moving

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and we're like, yeah, this is really important,

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this is really important.

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We're listening. We're trying to listen.

Time: 4448.04

And then they walk away and we think

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I didn't get any of that.

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And you wonder whether or not it was them,

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maybe this is happening to you right now.

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You wonder whether or not it was you,

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you wonder whether or not you have trouble with learning

Time: 4459.77

or you have attention deficit.

Time: 4461.27

It could be any number of different things.

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But what Recanzone and Merzenich discovered

Time: 4465.3

was that if you instruct subjects to listen

Time: 4468.52

for particular cues within speech, or within sounds,

Time: 4472.81

that not only can you learn those things more quickly,

Time: 4475.78

but that you can remap these tonotopic maps in the cortex

Time: 4482.11

that I referred to earlier.

Time: 4483.17

You actually get changes in the neural architecture,

Time: 4485.47

the neural circuitry in the brain,

Time: 4487.02

and this can occur not only very rapidly,

Time: 4490.68

but they can occur in the adult brain,

Time: 4493.13

which prior to their work was not thought

Time: 4495.73

to be amenable to change.

Time: 4497.38

It was long thought that neuroplasticity

Time: 4499.45

could only occur in the developing brain,

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but the work of Recanzone and Merzenich

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in the auditory system actually was some of the first

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that really opened up everybody's eyes and ears

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to the idea that the brain can change in adulthood.

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So here's how this sort of process would work

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and how you might apply it.

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If you are trying to learn music,

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or you're trying to learn information

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that you're going to then recite,

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you can decide to highlight certain words

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or certain frequencies of sound

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or certain scales or certain keys on the piano,

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and to only focus on those for certain learning bouts.

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So I'll give an example that's real time for me,

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meaning it's happening right now.

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I know generally what I want to say when I arrive here,

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I even know specifically certain things

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that I want to make sure get across to you,

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but I don't think about every single word

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that I'm going to say and the precise order

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in which I'm going to say those things.

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That would be actually very disruptive

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because it wouldn't match my normal patterns of speech

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and you'd probably think I was sounding rather robotic

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if I were to do that.

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So one way that we can remember information

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is as we write out, for instance,

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something that we want to say,

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we can highlight particular words, we can underline those.

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If we're listening to somebody

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and they're telling us information,

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we can decide just to highlight particular words

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that they said to us and write those down.

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Now, of course, we're listening to all the information,

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but the work of Recanzone and Merzenich

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and the work of others in addition to his former student

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or former post-doc, I don't know which,

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Michael Kilgard who's now got his own lab down in Texas

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or others have shown that the cuing of attention

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to particular features of speech,

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particular components of speech,

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the way in which it increases our level of attention overall

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allows us to capture more of the information overall.

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And so I don't want this to be abstract at all.

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What this means is when you're listening,

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you don't have to listen to every word.

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You're already listening to every word.

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All the information is coming in through your ears.

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What you're trying to extract is particular things

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or themes within the content.

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So maybe you decide if you're listening to me

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that you're only going to listen to the word tools,

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or you're only going to listen

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to when my voice goes above background,

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you get to decide what you decide to listen to or not.

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And what you decide to focus on isn't necessarily

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as important as the fact that you're focusing.

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So I hope that's clear.

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The auditory system does this all the time

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with the cocktail party effect.

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What I'm talking about is exporting certain elements

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of the mechanisms of the cocktail party effect,

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paying attention to the onset and offset of words

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or particular notes within music or particular scales,

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or you can make it even broader and particular motifs

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of music or particular sentences of words

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or particular phrases.

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And in doing that, you extract more

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of the information overall,

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even though you're not paying attention

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to all the information at once.

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Now, I'd like to talk about a phenomenon

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that you've all experienced before, which is called Doppler.

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So the Doppler effect is the way that we experience sound

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when the thing that's making that sound is moving.

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The simplest way to explain this is to translate the sound

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into the visual world once again.

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So if you've ever seen a duck or a goose sitting

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in a pond or a lake and it's bobbing up and down,

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what you'll notice is that the ripples of water

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that extend out from that duck or goose

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are fairly regularly spaced in all directions.

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And that's because that duck or goose is stationary.

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It's moving up and down, but it's not moving forward

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or backward or to the side.

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Now, if that duck or goose were to swim forward

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by paddling its little webbed feet under the surface,

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you would immediately notice that the ripples of water

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that are close to and in front of that duck or goose

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would be closer together than the ones that trailed it,

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that were behind.

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And that is essentially what happens with sound as well.

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With the Doppler effect, we experience sounds

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that are closer to us at higher frequency,

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the ripples are closer together,

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and sounds that are further away at lower frequency,

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especially when they're moving past us.

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So if you've ever, for instance, heard a siren

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in the distance, [humming]

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that's essentially my rendition of a siren,

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I don't know what ambulance or police or what,

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passing you on a street, that is the Doppler effect.

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The Doppler effect is one of the main ways

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that we make out the direction that things are arriving

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from and their speeds and trajectories.

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And we get very good, from a very young age,

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at discerning what direction things are arriving from

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and the direction that they are going to pass us in.

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And the Doppler effect has probably saved

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your life many, many times.

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In this way, you just don't realize it

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because you'll step off the curb

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or you're driving your car and you pull to the side

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so that the ambulance or firetruck can go by

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because you heard that siren off in the distance,

Time: 4837.09

and then you pull away from the curb

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and you get back on the road in part,

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because you don't see it any longer,

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but also you don't hear any other sirens in the distance.

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Now, some animals such as bats are exquisitely good

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at navigating their environments according to sound.

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Now, we've all heard that bats don't see.

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That's actually not true.

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They actually have vision,

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but they just rely more heavily on their auditory system.

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And the way that bats navigate in the dark

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and the way that bats navigate using sound

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is through Doppler.

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Now, they don't simply listen to whether or not things

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are coming at them or moving away from them

Time: 4874.66

and pay attention to the Doppler like the siren example

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I gave for you.

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What they do is they generate their own sounds.

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So a bat, as it flies around is sending out clicks,

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[Andrew clicks tongue]

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I think that's my best bat sound or maybe it's

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[Andrew clicks tongue]

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and they're clicking, they're actually propelling sound out

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at a particular frequency that they know.

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Now, whether or not they're conscious of it, I don't know.

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I've never asked them.

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And if I did ask them, I don't think they could answer.

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And if they could answer, they couldn't answer

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in a language that I could understand.

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But the bat is essentially flying around,

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sending out sound waves, pinging its environment

Time: 4911.35

with sound waves of a particular frequency

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and then depending on the frequency of sound waves

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that come back, they know if they're getting closer

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to an object or further away from it.

Time: 4921.16

So if they send out sounds at a frequency of,

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this was much slower than it would actually occur,

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but let's say one every half second, [whining]

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and it's coming back even faster [roars]

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then they know they're getting closer

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because of the Doppler effect.

Time: 4938.04

And if it comes back more slowly,

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they know that there's nothing in front of them.

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So the bat is essentially navigating its world

Time: 4945.88

by creating these auras of sound

Time: 4949.42

that bounce back on to them

Time: 4951.71

from the various objects, trees, et cetera,

Time: 4953.93

buildings and people, it's kind of eerie to think about.

Time: 4956.42

But yes, they see you, they experience you with their sound,

Time: 4959.92

they sense you and they're using Doppler to accomplish it.

Time: 4964.46

Now I'd like to talk about ringing in the ears.

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This is something that I get asked about a lot.

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And speaking of signal-to-noise,

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I don't know if I get asked about it a lot,

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because many people suffer from ringing in their ears,

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or because the people who suffer from ringing

Time: 4981.31

in their ears suffer so much

Time: 4983.14

that they are more prone to ask.

Time: 4985.51

So it could be a sampling bias, I don't know,

Time: 4988.33

but I've been asked enough times and some of the experiences

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of discomfort that people have expressed

Time: 4994.38

about having this ringing of the ears

Time: 4997.34

really motivated me to go deep into this literature.

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So the ringing of the ears that one experiences

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is called tinnitus, not ti-nahy-tus, but tinnitus.

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And tinnitus can vary in intensity

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and it can vary according to stress levels,

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it can vary across the lifespan or even time of day.

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So it's very subject to background effects

Time: 5023.41

and contextual effects.

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So I think we all know that we should do our best

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to maximize healthy sleep.

Time: 5030.21

We did a number of episodes on that.

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Essentially, the first four episodes

Time: 5033.82

of the Huberman Lab Podcast were all about sleep

Time: 5035.66

and how to get better sleep.

Time: 5038.2

We all know that we should try and limit our stress.

Time: 5040.15

And we had an episode about stress

Time: 5042.25

and ways to mitigate stress as well.

Time: 5045.99

However, there are people, it seems,

Time: 5048.47

that are suffering from tinnitus,

Time: 5049.89

for which stress or lack of sleep

Time: 5052.45

just can't explain the presence of the tinnitus.

Time: 5055.93

Tinnitus can be caused by disruption

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to these hair cells that we talked about earlier

Time: 5061.61

or damage to the hair cells.

Time: 5063.71

So that's another reason why,

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even if you have good hearing now

Time: 5068.46

that you want to protect that hearing

Time: 5070.09

and really avoid putting yourself

Time: 5072.59

into these two-hit environments,

Time: 5074.71

environments where there's a lot of background noise,

Time: 5076.96

and then you add another really loud auditory stimulus.

Time: 5080.99

This also can happen at different times, I should mention.

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If you go to a concert or you listen to loud music

Time: 5086.91

with your headphones and then you go to a concert,

Time: 5089.66

or you go into a very loud work environment,

Time: 5092.17

the hair cells can still be vulnerable.

Time: 5093.96

And once those hair cells are knocked out, currently,

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we don't have the technology to put them back.

Time: 5098.84

Although many groups, including some excellent groups

Time: 5101.14

at Stanford and elsewhere, too, of course,

Time: 5103.985

are working on ways to replenish those hair cells

Time: 5107.32

and restore hearing.

Time: 5109.84

There are treatments for tinnitus

Time: 5111.57

that involve taking certain substances.

Time: 5117.39

There are medications for tinnitus.

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In the non-prescription landscape,

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which is typically what we discuss on this podcast,

Time: 5124.32

when we discuss taking anything,

Time: 5127.66

there are, essentially, four compounds

Time: 5129.67

for which there are quality peer-reviewed data,

Time: 5132.62

where there does not appear to be any overt commercial bias,

Time: 5136.91

meaning that nothing's reported in the papers

Time: 5139.1

as funding from a particular company

Time: 5141.13

and those are melatonin, Ginkgo bilboa, zinc and magnesium.

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Now I've talked about melatonin before.

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I'm personally not a fan of melatonin as a sleep aid,

Time: 5153.13

but there are four studies, first one entitled:

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The Effects of Melatonin on Tinnitus,

Time: 5160.48

tinnitus, excuse me, and Sleep.

Time: 5162.7

Second one, Treatment of Central and Sensory Neural Tinnitus

Time: 5165.8

with orally-administered melatonin.

Time: 5167.67

And then the title goes on much longer,

Time: 5169.66

but it's a randomized study.

Time: 5171.6

I'm not going to read out all these.

Time: 5172.73

Melatonin: Can it Stop The ringing?

Time: 5174.68

which is an interesting article, double-blinded study,

Time: 5177.73

and The Effects of Melatonin on Tinnitus.

Time: 5181.05

Each one of these studies has anywhere from 30

Time: 5183.86

to more than 100 subjects, in one case 102 subjects;

Time: 5188.29

both genders as they list them out,

Time: 5191.01

typically, it's listed as sex, not gender in studies

Time: 5194.09

so it should say both sexes, but nonetheless;

Time: 5198.665

an age range anywhere from 30 years old,

Time: 5202.62

all the way up to 65 plus.

Time: 5204.43

I didn't see any studies of people younger than 30.

Time: 5208.79

All three focused on melatonin, not surprisingly,

Time: 5212.98

because of the titles, looking at a range

Time: 5215.5

of dosages anywhere from three milligrams per day,

Time: 5218.65

which is sort of typical of many supplements for melatonin,

Time: 5222.32

still much higher than one would manufacture endogenously

Time: 5226.48

through your own pineal gland,

Time: 5228.35

but three milligrams in these studies

Time: 5232.34

for a duration of anywhere from 30 days

Time: 5235.37

to much longer in some cases, six months.

Time: 5239.27

And all four of these studies found modest

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yet still statistically significant effects

Time: 5245.623

of taking melatonin by mouth,

Time: 5248.24

so it's orally-administered melatonin

Time: 5251.39

in reducing the severity of tinnitus.

Time: 5256.33

So that's compelling, at least to me.

Time: 5258.376

It doesn't sound like a cure.

Time: 5260.97

And, of course, as always, I'm not a physician,

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I'm a scientist, so I don't prescribe anything.

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I only profess things, I report to you the science.

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You have to decide if melatonin is right for you

Time: 5271.1

if you have tinnitus.

Time: 5273.14

And certainly, I say that both to protect myself,

Time: 5276.3

but also protect you.

Time: 5277.59

You're responsible for your health and wellbeing.

Time: 5280.04

And I'm not telling anyone to run out

Time: 5282.38

and start taking melatonin for tinnitus,

Time: 5284.951

but it does seem that it can have some effects

Time: 5287.35

in reducing its symptoms.

Time: 5290.41

Ginkgo Boaboa is an interesting compound.

Time: 5293.188

It's been prescribed for or recommended

Time: 5296.56

for many, many things, but there are a few studies,

Time: 5301.9

again, double-blinded studies lasting one to six months,

Time: 5305.147

one that has have an impressive number of subjects,

Time: 5307.97

978 subjects ranging from age 18 all the way up to 65

Time: 5313.13

so on and so forth that show not huge effects of Ginkgo,

Time: 5320.49

but as they quote, limited evidence suggests

Time: 5323.25

that if tinnitus is a side effect of something else,

Time: 5327.22

in particular, cognitive decline,

Time: 5329.47

so age-related tinnitus might be helped by Ginkgo Boaboa.

Time: 5336.84

I won't go through all the details of the zinc studies,

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but it seems that zinc supplementation

Time: 5340.65

at higher levels than are typical

Time: 5342.33

of most people's intakes of 50 milligrams per day,

Time: 5345.32

do appear to be able to reduce subjective symptoms

Time: 5347.5

of tinnitus in most of the people

Time: 5350

that took the supplemented zinc.

Time: 5351.75

There aren't a lot of studies on that.

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So I could only find one double-blinded study.

Time: 5356.84

It lasted anywhere from one to six months,

Time: 5358.75

41 subjects, both genders listed out again here, 45 to 64,

Time: 5363.43

and they saw a decrease in the severity of tinnitus symptoms

Time: 5366.913

with 50 milligrams of elemental zinc supplementation.

Time: 5371.19

And then last but not least is the magnesium study.

Time: 5374.37

Again, only a single study.

Time: 5376.41

It's a Phase II study looking

Time: 5378.75

at a fairly limited number of subjects,

Time: 5381.03

so only 19 subjects taking 532 milligrams

Time: 5385.16

of elemental magnesium.

Time: 5386.5

For those of you that take magnesium,

Time: 5387.76

there's magnesium and elemental magnesium,

Time: 5389.6

and it's always translated on the bottle,

Time: 5392.32

but it was associated with a lessening of symptoms

Time: 5394.8

related to tinnitus.

Time: 5396.09

So for you tinnitus sufferers out there,

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you may already be aware of this,

Time: 5401.23

you may already be taking these things

Time: 5403.386

and had no positive effects,

Time: 5406.31

meaning they didn't help, maybe not.

Time: 5408.47

I hope that you'll, at least, consider these,

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talk to your doctor about them.

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I do realize that tinnitus is extremely disruptive.

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I can't say I empathize because I don't,

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from a place of experience, that is,

Time: 5421.54

because I don't have tinnitus,

Time: 5422.69

but for those of you that don't include myself,

Time: 5424.67

you can imagine that hearing sounds of things

Time: 5427.62

that aren't there and the ringing in one's ears

Time: 5429.51

can be very disruptive and I think would be very disruptive

Time: 5433.03

and explains why people with tinnitus reach out so often

Time: 5436.34

with questions about how to alleviate that.

Time: 5438.41

And I hope this information was useful to you.

Time: 5440.87

I'd like to now talk about balance and our sense of balance,

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which is controlled by, believe it or not,

Time: 5448.08

our ears and things in our ears,

Time: 5451

as well as by our brain and elements of our spinal cord.

Time: 5455.59

But before I do that, I want to ask you another question

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or I would rather, I'd like to ask you to ask yourself

Time: 5461.85

a question and answer it, which is how big are your ears.

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It turns out that the ears grow our entire life.

Time: 5471.98

In the early stage of our life, they grow more slowly.

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And then as we age, they grow more quickly.

Time: 5479.15

You may have noticed if you have family members

Time: 5482.14

who are well into their 70s and 80s,

Time: 5485.038

and if you're fortunate, into their 90s

Time: 5488.847

and maybe even 100s, is that the ears

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of some of these individuals get very, very big,

Time: 5495.2

relative to their previous ear sizes.

Time: 5498.586

So it turns out that biological age

Time: 5501.47

can actually be measured according to ear size.

Time: 5506.21

Now you have to take a few measurements but there's,

Time: 5508.35

believe it or not, there is a formula

Time: 5510.43

in the scientific literature,

Time: 5513.91

if you know your ear circumference,

Time: 5516.6

so the distance around your ear, ears, plural,

Time: 5521.34

presumably you have two, most people do,

Time: 5524.44

in millimeters, so you're going to take the circumference

Time: 5527.51

of your ears in millimeters.

Time: 5528.47

How would you do this?

Time: 5530.17

How would you do this?

Time: 5531.07

Maybe you take a string and you put it around your ear,

Time: 5534.34

and then you measure the string.

Time: 5535.45

That's probably going to be easier than marching around

Time: 5538.11

your ear or somebody else's ear with a ruler

Time: 5540.42

and measuring in millimeters.

Time: 5541.61

So what's your ear circumference, on the outside,

Time: 5544.81

don't go in on the divot or anything.

Time: 5546.41

You're just going around as if you're going to trace

Time: 5548.07

the closest fitting oval,

Time: 5550.91

assuming your ears are oval, closest fitting oval

Time: 5553.91

that matches your ear circumference.

Time: 5557.02

Take that number in millimeters, subtract from it...

Time: 5560.95

Oh, excuse me, I should do this correctly.

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Do that for both ears, add them together,

Time: 5566.08

add those numbers together, divide by two,

Time: 5567.89

get the average for your two ears,

Time: 5570.16

get your average ear circumference,

Time: 5571.85

of course, your two ears.

Time: 5573.56

Then take that number in millimeters,

Time: 5575.96

subtract 88.1 and then whatever value that is,

Time: 5581.44

multiply it times 1.96

Time: 5584.4

and that will tell you your biological age.

Time: 5587.4

Now why in the world would this be accurate?

Time: 5592

As we age, there are changes in number

Time: 5594.13

of different biological pathways.

Time: 5597.66

One of those pathways is the pathways related

Time: 5599.73

to collagen synthesis.

Time: 5601.78

So not only are our ears growing,

Time: 5604.57

but our noses are growing too,

Time: 5606.717

and my nose seems to be growing a lot.

Time: 5608.93

But then again, I did sports where I would get

Time: 5610.46

my nose broken, something I don't recommend.

Time: 5612.51

As I always point out, you don't get

Time: 5613.46

a nose like mine doing yoga, but nonetheless,

Time: 5617.27

my nose is still growing and my ears are still growing.

Time: 5619.59

And I suspect as I get older,

Time: 5621.22

if I have the good fortune of living into my 80s and 90s,

Time: 5625.03

my ears are going to continue to grow.

Time: 5627.34

A comparison between chronological age and biological age

Time: 5630.24

is something that's a really deep interest these days

Time: 5632.38

in the work of David Sinclair

Time: 5634.28

at Harvard Medical School and others.

Time: 5637.53

So called Horvath clocks that people have developed

Time: 5641.03

have tapped into how the epigenome and the genome

Time: 5643.908

can give us some insight into our biological age

Time: 5647.85

and how that compares to our chronological age.

Time: 5649.83

Most of us know our chronological age,

Time: 5652.02

because we know when we were born

Time: 5653.89

and we know where we are relative to that now.

Time: 5656.95

But you can start to make a little chart,

Time: 5661.09

if you like, about your rates of ear growth.

Time: 5663.89

Your rates of ear growth actually correlate pretty well

Time: 5666.38

with your rates of biological progression

Time: 5669.67

through this thing that we call life.

Time: 5672.49

So it's not something that we think about too often,

Time: 5674.72

but just like our DNA and our epigenome,

Time: 5678.83

and some other markers of metabolic health

Time: 5681.48

and hormone health relate to our age,

Time: 5683.97

so does our collagen synthesis.

Time: 5686.04

And one of the places that shows up the most

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is in these two little goodies on the sides of our heads,

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which are our ears.

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So even though it's a little bit of a bizarre metric,

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it makes perfect sense in the biological context.

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So let's talk about balance

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and how to get better at balancing.

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The reason why we're talking about balance

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and how to get better at balancing

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in the episode about hearing is that all the goodies

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that are going to allow you to do that are in your ears.

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They're also in your brain, but they're mostly in your ears.

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So as you recall from the beginning of this episode,

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you have two cochlea, cochleas,

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that are one on each side of your head.

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And that's a little spiral snail-shaped thing

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that converts sound waves into electrical signals

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that the rest of your brain can understand.

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Right next to those,

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you have what are called semicircular canals.

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The semicircular canals can be best visualized

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as thinking about three hula hoops with marbles in them.

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So imagine that you have a hula hoop

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and it's not filled with marbles all the way around,

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it's just got some marbles down there at the base.

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So if you were to move that hula hoop around,

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the marbles would move around, [shushing].

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You've got three of those and each one of those hula hoops

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has these marbles that can move around.

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One of those hula hoops is positioned vertically

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with respect to gravity.

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So it's basically parallel to your nose.

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It sits like this, if you're watching on a video,

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but basically it's upright.

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Another one of those hula hoops is basically

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at a 90-degree angle to your nose.

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It's basically parallel to the floor

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if you're standing up right now, if you're seated.

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And the other one, it's kind of tilted

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about 45 degrees in between those.

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Now why is the system there?

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Well, those marbles within each one of those hula hoops

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can move around, but they'll only move around

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if your head moves in a particular way,

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and there are three planes or three ways

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that your head can move.

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Your head can move up and down like I'm nodding right now.

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So that's called pitch,

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it's pitching forward or pitching back.

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So it's a nod, up and down,

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or I can shake my head no, side to side.

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That's called a yaw.

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You pilots will be very familiar with this, yaw.

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Not yawn, yaw.

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And then there's roll, tilting the head from side to side,

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the way that a cute puppy might look at you

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from side to side or that if somebody

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doesn't really understand or believe what you're saying,

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they might tilt their head, very common phenomenon.

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I mean, nobody does that to me,

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but they do that to each other.

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So pitch, yaw and roll are the movements of the head

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in each of the three major planes of motion, as we say.

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And each one of those causes those marbles

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to move in one or two of the various hula hoops.

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So if I move my head up and down when I nod,

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one of those hula hoops, literally, right now,

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the marbles are moving back and forth.

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They aren't actually marbles by the way,

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these are little, kind of like little stones, basically,

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little calcium-like deposits

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and when they roll back and forth,

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they deflect little hairs,

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little hair cells that aren't like the hair cells

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that we use for measuring sound waves.

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They're not too different, but they are different from them,

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not like the hairs on our heads,

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but they're basically rolling past

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these little hair cells and causing them to deflect

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and when they deflect downward, the neurons,

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because hair cells are neurons,

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send information up to the brain.

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So if I move my head like this,

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there's a physical movement of these little stones

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in this hula hoop as I'm referring to it,

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but they deflect these hairs, send those hairs,

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which are neurons, those hair cells,

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send information off to the brain.

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If I move my head from side to side,

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different little stones move.

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If I roll my head, different stones move.

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This is an exquisite system that exists in all animals

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that have a jaw.

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So any fish that has a jaw has this system,

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a puppy has the system,

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any animal that has a jaw has this so-called balance system,

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which we call the vestibular system.

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One of the more important things to know

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about the vestibular, the balance system

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is that it works together with the visual system.

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Let's say I hear something off to my left

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and I swing my head over to the left to see what it is.

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There are two sources of information about where my head is

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relative to my body and I need to know that.

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First of all, when I quickly move my head to the side,

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those little stones, as I'm referring to them,

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I realize they're not actually stones,

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but as I'm referring to them,

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they quickly, whoom, activate those hair cells

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in that one semicircular canal,

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and send a signal off to my brain

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that my head just moved to the side like this,

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not that it went like this and pitched back

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or not that it tilted, but it just moved to the side.

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But also visual information slid past my field of view.

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I didn't have to think about it,

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but just slid past my field of view.

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And when those two signals combine,

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my eyes then lock to a particular location.

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Now, if this is at all complicated,

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you can actually uncouple these things.

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It's very easy to do. You can do this right now.

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In fact, I'd like you to do this experiment

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if you're not already doing something else

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that requires your attention.

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And certainly, don't do this if you're driving.

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You're going to sit down and you're going to move your head

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to the left very slowly with your eyes open.

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So you're going to move it very, very slowly.

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The whole thing should take about five, six,

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maybe even 10 seconds to complete.

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Okay, I just did it.

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Now, I'm going to do it very quickly.

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I'd like you to do it very quickly as well.

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Now do it slowly again.

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What you probably noticed

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is that it's very uncomfortable to do it slowly,

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but you can do it very quickly

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without much discomfort at all.

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You just move your head to the side.

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The reason is when you move your head, very slowly,

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those little stones at the base of that hula hoop,

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they don't get enough momentum to move.

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So you're actually not generating this signal

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to the brain that your head is moving.

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And what you'll notice is that your eyes have to go,

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boom, boom, boom, jumping over step-by-step.

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Whereas if you move your head really quickly,

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the signal gets off to your brain and your eyes

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just go boom, right to the location you want to look at.

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So moving your body slowly is actually very disruptive

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to the vestibular system.

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And it's very disruptive to your visual system.

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Now, if you've ever had the misfortune

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of being on a boat and you're going through big oscillations

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on the boat, for those of you seasick,

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folks that get seasick,

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this can actually make certain people seasick

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just to hear about it, those big oscillations

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going up and down and up and down.

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Those are very disruptive.

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We'll talk about nausea in a minute

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and how to offset that kind of nausea.

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I get pretty seasick, but there are ways

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that you can deal with this but this is incredible

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because what it means is a purely physical system

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of these little stones rolling around in there

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and directing where your eyes should go.

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So you can do this also just by looking up.

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So let's just say, you're sitting in a chair,

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you're going to look up towards the ceiling

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and your eyes will just go there.

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You're doing this eyes open and you look down.

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Now try doing it right really, really slowly.

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Some people even get motion sick doing this,

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which if you do, then just stop.

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Okay, so you can do this also to the side,

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although it works best if you're moving your head

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from side to side and we're nodding up and down.

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So what we're doing here is we're uncoupling

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these two mechanisms, we're pulling them apart,

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the visual part and the vestibular part,

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just to illustrate to you that, normally,

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these mechanisms in your inner ear tell your eyes

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where to go, but as well,

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your eyes tell your balance system, your vestibular system,

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how to function.

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So I'd like you to do a different experiment.

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I'm not going to do it right now, but basically stand up.

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If you get the opportunity, you can do this safely,

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wherever you are, you're going to stand up

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and you're going to look forward about 10, 12 feet.

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Pick a point on a wall or you can,

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anywhere that you like, if you're out in public,

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just do it anyway.

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Just tell them you're listening to Huberman Lab Podcasts,

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and someone's telling you to do it.

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Anyway, if you don't want to do it, don't do it.

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But, basically, do it.

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Stand on one leg and lift up the other leg.

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You can bend your knee, if you like

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and just look off into the distance about 10, 12 feet.

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If you can do that, if you can stand on one leg,

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now close your eyes, chances are you're going

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to suddenly feel what scientists call postural sway.

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You're going to start swaying around a lot.

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It is very hard to balance with your eyes closed.

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And if you think about that, it's like, why is that?

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That's crazy.

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Why would it be that it's hard to balance

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with your eyes closed?

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Well, information about the visual world also feeds back

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onto this vestibular system.

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So the vestibular system informs your vision

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and tells you where to move your eyes

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and your eyes and their positioning tell

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your balance system, your vestibular system

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how it should function.

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So there's a really cool way

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that you can learn to optimize balance.

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You're not going to try and do this by learning

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to balance with your eyes closed.

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What you can do is you can raise one leg

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and you can look at a short distance,

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maybe off to just the distance that your thumb would be

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if you were to reach your arm out in front of you.

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Although you don't necessarily have to put

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your thumb in front of you.

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So maybe just about two feet in front of you.

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Then while still balancing,

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you're going to step your vision out a further distance,

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and then a further distance

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and as far as you can possibly see

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in the environment that you're in.

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And then you're going to march it back to you.

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Now, what the literature shows

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is that this kind of balance training

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where you incorporate the visual system and extending out,

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and then marching back in the point

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at which you direct your visual focus,

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sends robust information about the relationship

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between your visual world and your balance system.

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And, of course, the balance system includes

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not just these hula hoops, these semicircular canals,

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but they communicate with the cerebellum,

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the so-called mini-brain, it actually means mini-brain

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in the back of your brain,

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combines that with visual information

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and your map of the body surface.

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That pattern of training is very beneficial

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for enhancing your ability to balance

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because the ability to balance

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is, in part, the activation of particular postural muscles,

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but just as much, perhaps even moreso,

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it's about being able to adjust those postural muscles,

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excuse me, it's about the ability

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to adjust those postural muscles

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as you experience changes in your visual world.

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And one of the most robust ways

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that you can engage changes in your visual world

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is through your own movement.

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And so most people are not trying

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to balance in place, right?

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They're not just trying to stand there

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like a statue on one leg.

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Most of what we think about when we think about balance

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is for sake of sport or dynamic balance

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of being able to break ourselves,

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when we're lunging in one particular direction

Time: 6390.87

to stop ourselves, that is,

Time: 6392.22

and then to move in another direction

Time: 6393.96

or for skateboarding or surfing or cycling

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or any number of different things, gymnastics.

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So the visual system is the primary input

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by which you develop balance,

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but you can't do it just with the visual system.

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So what I'm recommending is if you're interested

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in cultivating a sense of balance,

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understand the relationship between the semicircular canals,

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understand that they are both driving eye movements

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and they are driven by eye movements.

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It's a reciprocal relationship.

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And then even just two or three minutes a day,

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or every once in a while, even three times a week,

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maybe five minutes, maybe 10 minutes, you pick,

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but if you want to enhance balance,

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you have to combine changes in your visual environment

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with a static posture, standing on one leg

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and shifting your visual environment or static visual view,

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looking at one thing and changing your body posture.

Time: 6452.44

So those two things,

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we now know from the scientific literature,

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combine in order to give an enhanced sense of balance.

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And there's a really nice paper that was published in 2015

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called Effects of Balance Training on Balance Performance.

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This was in healthy adults.

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It's a systematic review and a meta analysis.

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A meta analysis is when you combine

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a lot of literature from a lot of different papers

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and extract the really robust

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and the less robust statistical effects.

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So it's a really nice paper as well.

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There are some papers out there, for instance,

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comparison of static balance

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and the role of vision in the elite athletes.

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This is essentially the paper

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that I've extracted most of the information

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that I just gave you from.

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And that paper, and there are some others as well,

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but basically I distilled them down

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into their core components.

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The core components are move your vision around

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while staying static, still

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but in a balanced position like standing on one leg,

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could be something more complicated

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if you're somebody who can do more complicated movements.

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Unilateral movement seemed to be important,

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so standing on one leg as opposed to both,

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or trying to generate some tilt is another way

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to go about it or imbalance,

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meaning one limb asymmetrically being activated

Time: 6528.14

compared to the other limb.

Time: 6529.83

And then the other way to encourage

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or to cultivate and build up this vestibular system

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and your sense of balance actually involves movement itself,

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acceleration.

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So that's what we're going to talk about now.

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So up until now, I've been talking about balance

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only in the static sense,

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like standing on one leg for instance,

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but that's a very artificial situation.

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Even though you can train balance that way,

Time: 6553.21

most people who want to enhance their sense of balance

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for sport or dance, or some other endeavor,

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want to engage balance in a dynamic way,

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meaning moving through lots of different planes of movement,

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maybe even sometimes while squatting down low

Time: 6566.9

or jumping and landing or making trajectories

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that are different angles.

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For that, we need to consider

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that the vestibular system also cares about acceleration.

Time: 6579.248

So it cares about head position,

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it cares about eye position and where the eyes are

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and where you're looking, but it also cares

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about what direction you're moving and how fast.

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And one of the best things that you can do

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to enhance your sense of balance

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is to start to bring together your visual system,

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the semicircular canals of the inner ear

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and what we call linear acceleration.

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So if I move forward in space rigidly upright,

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it's a vastly different situation

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than if I'm leaning to the side.

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One of the best ways to cultivate

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a better sense of balance, literally,

Time: 6620.28

within the sense organs and the neurons

Time: 6623.03

and the biology of the brain is to get into modes

Time: 6627.99

where we are accelerating forward, typically,

Time: 6631.08

it's forward while also tilted with respect to gravity.

Time: 6635.68

Now this would be the carve on a skateboard

Time: 6638.51

or on a surf board or a snowboard.

Time: 6640.76

This would be the taking a corner on a bike

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while being able to lean, safely, of course,

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lean into the turn so that your head

Time: 6649.31

is actually tilted with respect to the earth.

Time: 6652.89

So anytime that we are rigidly upright,

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we aren't really exercising the vestibular system imbalance.

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And this is why you see people in the gym

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on these, one of those bouncy balls,

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Bocce balls are the one that the guys roll in the park.

Time: 6667.52

Bouncy balls, where they're balancing back and forth,

Time: 6669.313

that will work the small stabilizing muscles.

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But what I'm talking about is getting into modes

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where you actually tilt the body and the head

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with respect to earth.

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What I mean is with respect to Earth's gravitational pull.

Time: 6684.11

Now the cerebellum is a very interesting structure

Time: 6687.37

because not only is it involved in balance,

Time: 6689.85

but it's also involved in skill-learning

Time: 6693.04

and in generating timing of movements.

Time: 6695.97

It's a fascinating structure deserving

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of an entire episode or several episodes all on its own,

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but some of the outputs of the cerebellum,

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meaning the neurons in the cerebellum get inputs,

Time: 6707.85

but they also send information out.

Time: 6710.52

The outputs of the cerebellum are strongly linked

Time: 6713.4

to areas of the brain that release neuromodulators

Time: 6716.56

that make us feel really good, in particular,

Time: 6719.56

serotonin and dopamine.

Time: 6721.35

And this is an early emerging sub-field within neuroscience,

Time: 6724.666

but a lot of what are called the non-motor outputs

Time: 6727.91

of the cerebellum have a profound influence,

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not just on our ability to learn how to balance better,

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but also how we feel overall.

Time: 6738.46

So for you exercisers out there,

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I do hope people are getting

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regular healthy amounts of exercise.

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We've talked about what that means in previous episodes,

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so at least 150 minutes a week of endurance work,

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some strength training,

Time: 6749.953

a minimum five sets per body part to maintain musculature

Time: 6753.37

even if you don't want to grow muscles,

Time: 6754.91

you want to do that in order to maintain healthy,

Time: 6756.94

strengthened bones, et cetera.

Time: 6759.48

If you're doing that but you're only doing things

Time: 6762.58

like curls in the gym, squats in the gym,

Time: 6764.75

riding the Peloton, or even if you're outside running,

Time: 6767.48

and you're getting forward acceleration,

Time: 6769.48

but you're never actually getting tilted,

Time: 6771.36

you're never actually getting tilted

Time: 6772.85

with respect to Earth's gravitational pull,

Time: 6776.44

you're not really exercising and getting the most

Time: 6781.25

out of your nervous system.

Time: 6783.22

Activation of the cerebellum in this way

Time: 6786.72

of being tilted or the head being tilted

Time: 6788.98

and the body being tilted while in acceleration,

Time: 6791.34

typically forward acceleration,

Time: 6793.01

but sometimes side to side has a profound

Time: 6796.82

and positive effect on our sense of mood and wellbeing.

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And as I talked about in previous episode,

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it can also enhance our ability to learn information

Time: 6806.22

in the period after generating those tilts.

Time: 6809.64

And the acceleration.

Time: 6811.38

And that's because the cerebellum has these outputs

Time: 6813.84

to these areas of the brain

Time: 6814.89

that release these neuromodulators,

Time: 6816.49

like serotonin and dopamine.

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And they make us feel really good.

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I think this is one of the reasons why, growing up,

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I had some friends, some of whom might've been

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the world heavyweight champions of laziness

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for essentially everything,

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except they would wake up at 4:30 in the morning to go surf.

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They would drive, they would get up so early to go surf.

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It's not just surfers and some surfers, by the way,

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I should point out are not lazy humans.

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They do a lot of other things.

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But I knew people that couldn't be motivated to do anything,

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but they were highly driven to get into these experiences

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of forward acceleration while tilted

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with respect to gravity,

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likewise, with snowboarding or skiing or cycling.

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Those modes of exercise seem to have an outsized effect

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both on our wellbeing and our ability

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to translate the vestibular balance that we achieve

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in those endeavors to our ability to balance

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while doing other things,

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and I don't mean psychological balance necessarily.

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I mean physical balance.

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So for those of you that don't think of yourselves

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as very coordinated or with very good balance,

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getting into these modes of acceleration forward movement

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or lateral movement while getting tilted,

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even if you have to do it slowly, could be beneficial,

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I do believe, and the scientific literature points

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to the fact that it will be beneficial

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for cultivating better sense of physical balance.

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It can really build up the circuits

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of this vestibular system.

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And then, of course, the feel-good components

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of acceleration while tilted or while getting the head

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into different orientations relative to gravity,

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well, that's the explanation for roller-coasters.

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Some people hate roller-coasters.

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They make them feel nauseous.

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Many people love roller-coasters

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and one of the reasons they love roller-coasters

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is because of the way that when you get the body,

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even if you're not generating the movement,

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you get the body into forward acceleration

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and you're going upside down and tilted to the side

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as the tracks go from side to side and tilt, et cetera,

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you're getting activation of these deeper brain nuclei

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that trigger the release of neuromodulators

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that just make us feel really, really good.

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In fact, some people get a long arc,

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a long duration buzz from having gone

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through those experiences.

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Some people who hate roller-coasters

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are probably getting nauseous, just hearing about that.

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So I encourage people to get into modes of acceleration

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while tilted every once in a while,

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provided you can do it safely.

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It's an immensely powerful way to build up your skills

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in the realm of balance.

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And it's also, for most people, very, very pleasing.

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It feels really good because of the chemical relationship

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between forward acceleration and head tilt and body tilt.

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Now, speaking of feeling nauseous,

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some people suffer from vertigo.

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Some people feel dizzy, some people get lightheaded.

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An important question to ask yourself, always,

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if you're feeling quote-unquote dizzy or lightheaded,

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is are you dizzy or are you lightheaded?

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Now, we're not going to diagnose anything here

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because there's just no way we can do that.

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This is essentially me shouting into a tunnel.

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So we don't know what's going on

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with each and every one of you

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but if ever you feel that your world is spinning,

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but that you can focus on your thumb, for instance,

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but the rest of the world is spinning

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and your thumb is stationary, that's called being dizzy.

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Now, if you feel like you're falling

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or that you feel like you need to get down

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onto the ground because you feel light-headed,

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that's being light-headed.

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And, oftentimes, with language we don't distinguish

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between being dizzy and being lightheaded.

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Now there are a lot of ways that dizziness

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and lightheadedness can occur.

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And I don't even want to begin to guess at the number

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of different things and ways that it could happen

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for those of you that suffer from it

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because it could be any number of them.

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But, oftentimes, if people are lightheaded, yes,

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it could be low blood sugar.

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It could also be that you're dehydrated.

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It could also be that you are low in electrolytes.

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We talked about this in a previous episode,

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but we will talk about it more in a future episode.

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Many people have too little sodium in their system, salt,

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and that's why they feel lightheaded.

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I have family members who, for years,

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thought they had disrupted blood sugar.

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They would get shaky, jittery, lightheaded,

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feel like they were nauseous, et cetera.

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And simply the addition of little sea salt

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to their water remedied the problem entirely.

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I don't think it's going to remedy every issue

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of lightheadedness out there by any stretch,

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but just the addition of salt, in this particular case,

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helped the person.

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And they are not alone.

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Many people who think that they have low blood sugar,

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actually are lightheaded because of low electrolytes

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and because of the way that salt carries water

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into the system and creates changes in blood volume,

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et cetera.

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Low sodium can often be a source of lightheadedness

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as can low blood sugar and, of course,

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other things as well.

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Now for dizziness or seasickness,

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we were all taught that you need to pick a point

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on the horizon and focus on it.

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But actually, that's not correct.

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It is true that if you are down in the cabin of a boat

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or you're on the lower deck and all you can see

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are things up close to you,

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that getting sloshed around, like so

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or the boat going up and down, like so,

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I think I'm getting a little seasick, even as I do this

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and I describe it,

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focusing on things close to you can be problematic.

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And in that case, the advice to go up on deck

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and get fresh air and to look off into the horizon,

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that part is correct.

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But focusing your eyes on a particular location

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on the horizon is effectively like trying

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to move very slowly as I had you do before,

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where you're trying to move your head very slowly

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while fixating on one location.

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Your eyes and your balance system were designed

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to move together.

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So really, what you want to do is allow your visual system

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to track with your vestibular system.

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This is why sitting in the back of an Uber or a taxi

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and being on your phone

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can make you suddenly feel very nauseous.

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Sometimes the cabs, particularly in New York City,

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they have a lot of occluders,

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they have a lot of stuff blocking your field of view.

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There's usually a little portal where you can see out

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to the front of the front windshield,

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but there's all this stuff now,

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televisions in the back seat and you're watching

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that television and the cab is moving.

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You're in linear acceleration,

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and sometimes you're taking corners, you're braking

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so then your vestibular system has to adjust to that.

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If you're looking at your phone or a book,

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or even if you're talking to somebody, actually,

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I'm starting to feel a little nauseous

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just talking about it.

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I promise I'm not going to finish this episode

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by vomiting at the end, at least not here,

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but what can happen is that you're uncoupling

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the visual information from your motion,

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from your vestibular information.

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You want those to be coupled.

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This is why a lot of people have to drive,

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they can't be in the passenger seat.

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Because when you drive,

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you also get what's called proprioceptive feedback.

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Your body is sending signals also to the vestibular system

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about where you are in space.

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When you're the passenger,

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you're just getting jolted around as the person is driving.

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And if you're looking at your phone, it's even worse.

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And if you're looking at the occluder

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between you and the two front seats, that's even worse.

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So this is why staring out the front windshield is great

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but you don't want to fixate.

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So, hopefully, I spared a few people and, hopefully,

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a few cab drivers of having people get sick

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in their cars or Ubers.

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Let your visual system

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and your vestibular system work together.

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If appropriate, get into linear acceleration,

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and you'll improve your sense of balance.

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Once again, we've covered

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a tremendous amount of information.

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Now, you know how you hear,

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how you make sense of the sounds in your environment,

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how those come into your ears

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and how your brain processes them.

Time: 7293.44

In addition, we talked about things

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like low level white noise and even binaural beats,

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which can be used to enhance certain brain states,

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certain rhythms within the brain,

Time: 7302.38

and even dopamine release in ways

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that allow you to learn better.

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And we talked about the balance system

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and this incredible relationship

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between your vestibular apparatus,

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meaning the portions of your inner ear

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that are responsible for balance

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and your visual system and gravity.

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And you can use those to enhance your learning as well,

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as well as just to enhance your sense of balance.

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