The Effects of Cannabis (Marijuana) on the Brain & Body | Huberman Lab Podcast #92
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I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor of neurobiology
and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine.
Today, we are discussing cannabis,
also referred to as marijuana.
Cannabis includes many different compounds
that have profound impact on the brain and body,
so while many of you have probably heard of THC,
there are also compounds in cannabis such as CBD,
and of course there are different types
or strains of cannabis,
including sativa strains and indica strains
and hybrid strains, and believe it or not,
nowadays, there is also an entire literature,
meaning a scientific and medicinal literature
about type one, type two and type three strains.
I'll explain what all of that is and how they work.
I'll talk about some of the medicinal applications
of different strains of cannabis
and combinations of cannabis strains,
as well as some of the potential health hazards
of cannabis use.
I want to emphasize that any discussion about cannabis
has to be framed within the context
that the legality of cannabis varies tremendously
depending on where you are in the world,
so depending on which country you're in
and even which state you're in
or which area within a country,
possessing and using and certainly selling cannabis
can be either highly illegal or entirely legal
or decriminalized or largely overlooked.
You, of course, are obligated to know
what those local laws are for you,
where you live and where you travel.
With that said, today's discussion
really will include a full picture
as to where cannabis and the various
and even very specific compounds within cannabis
can be extremely useful in the treatment of some ailments
and where certain compounds in cannabis
can be extremely dangerous for certain individuals to use,
in particular, individuals that have preexisting,
genetic propensity for psychosis.
That theme is going to come up again and again,
but we are also going to talk about the role of cannabis
in anxiety and depression,
both positive and negative effects.
We'll talk about sex differences
in terms of women versus men
and how they react differently to cannabis,
and I would be entirely remiss
if I didn't include a conversation about cannabis,
meaning THC, CBD, hybrid strains, et cetera
in creativity and different modes of thinking,
because as many of you probably know
or at least have heard about,
cannabis can impact the way that we think,
the types of memory systems we can access
and what's called convergent and divergent thinking,
which is one way of conceptualizing
what is commonly referred to as creativity.
So today's discussion is going to include
a lot of information,
but I promise to make it clear and accessible to all of you,
regardless of whether or not you have a background
in biology or not,
and today's discussion will also be quite nuanced.
You'll find me routinely reading
directly from specific research papers,
something that of course we always do on this podcast,
but today I'm really going to dig
into some of the finer points of the methodology in papers
and some of the statistics that were used
and the specific populations of people that were studied,
because as it turns out,
there are instances that we will discuss
in which the use of cannabis can be immensely beneficial
to one group and yet can be entirely detrimental
to another group, even at equivalent dosages
and depending on a number of different factors,
so we will discuss what those factors are.
Just to give you a brief overview
of the kind of structure I'm going to put on today's episode,
we will review of course, cannabis and its various forms.
I'll talk about some of the biology,
but we are going to really drill into how dosage,
that is the concentration of THC relative to CBD,
impacts whether or not cannabis
is going to have one effect or another.
We will also talk about the frequency of use,
daily use, multiple times per day use,
weekly use or monthly or occasional use.
We will also talk about different professions
and how some people may have a little bit more leeway
in terms of whether or not they decide to use cannabis
or any of its various component chemical constituents,
that is CBD or THC, et cetera.
And for other professions,
it might be entirely inappropriate
because of the particular kinds of cognitive tasks
those professions demand.
We will also talk about genetic predisposition,
again, sex differences, hormone effects,
and I will also touch on what I think
is the most important variable
in determining whether or not cannabis
is right or wrong for you, and that is your age
at which you are considering starting
or continuing use or ceasing use.
What I can assure you is that by the end of today's podcast,
you will have a quite thorough understanding of cannabis,
how it works, what it does,
what its potential benefits can be,
what its potential hazards are,
and whether or not it's right for you
and the people that you know.
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Let's talk about cannabis, and when we refer to cannabis,
we are indeed referring to marijuana or the marijuana plant.
Now, cannabis plants come in different strains
or different varieties, and those different strains
are indeed different genetic strains.
So just as animals and humans
have different genetic backgrounds,
and they can be crossed to one another
to yield further genetic variation in the offspring,
plants can be hybridized to one another
in various ways through grafting
or through the use of different types of seed combinations,
et cetera, in order to generate different strains.
There are also naturally occurring differences
in the strains of plants,
and the cannabis plant is no exception.
So for instance, in the context
of the discussion about cannabis
and its medicinal uses and recreational uses,
we need to distinguish between the sativa variety,
the indica variety, a variety called ruderalis
that's not often discussed,
and hybrids of sativa, indica and ruderalis.
Before diving into the different strains of cannabis
and how they impact the brain embody,
both similarly and differently,
I want to emphasize that the cannabis plant
contains a number of different psychoactive compounds.
Now, the most powerful of those compounds is THC.
The technical name for it is delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol.
But THC, as I'll refer to it,
is just one of the psychoactive
and biologically active compounds within cannabis plants.
There's also CBD, which is technically referred to
as cannabidiol, and cannabidiol, CBD,
is known to be used for things like pain management,
anxiety management and other medicinal purposes.
We will talk about the efficacy of CBD for those purposes,
as well as some of, believe it or not,
some of the dangers of CBD,
depending on where it's sourced and the dosage, et cetera.
So we've got THC, CBD and also CBN or cannabinol.
CBN is less often discussed.
You're going to hear a lot less
about CBN containing products out there,
CBN containing medicines,
but it is relevant to today's discussion,
so it will come up a bit.
Now, I will be sure to provide more specificity
to what I'm about to say, but very broadly speaking,
THC is largely responsible
for the psychoactive effects of cannabis,
that is the changes in mood, the changes in bodily state
and sensation, et cetera.
Whereas CBD and to some extent,
CBN, have profound effects on the brain and body,
but they don't tend to give people the sensation
of altered perception, altered mood, et cetera.
Some people might say they are not the component of cannabis
that, quote unquote, gets you high,
although today, we will really drill into
what the high itself represents
in terms of chemical systems in the brain body.
And what we will soon learn is that
what we think of as being high actually includes
a number of different changes in the brain and body,
some of which can be best explained by CBD,
not by THC, which runs counter
to what most people out there know and believe.
So broadly speaking, we have THC, CBD and CBN.
But I want to point out that the cannabis plant
has over 70, seven-zero,
70 different psychoactive compounds,
many of which still have not been studied
in isolation and in detail.
So there's a big future of research for cannabis
and for THC and THC-related psychoactive compounds,
as well as for CBD and CBN.
Today we're mainly going to focus
on THC and CBD, as I mentioned before.
I should also point out that the cannabis plant
has over 400 biologically active compounds.
So these are biologically active compounds
that may or may not have psychoactive properties,
that may or may not be useful for pain relief, et cetera.
Again, there is a vast landscape for exploration
of the cannabis plant and of hemp for what they include
that could be beneficial to us or detrimental to us,
so again, a lot more work to do.
Today, we're going to really try and stay on target
with what we already know
and where there are certain exciting mysteries
or intriguing mysteries
about what we ought to explore more.
I will certainly highlight those.
Let's go back to the different strains
of the cannabis plant, sativa, indica and ruderalis
and explore how each of those
differentially impacts the brain and body,
because therein I think we can start to learn
a lot about this incredible plant
that is the cannabis plant.
And whether or not you are a user of cannabis
or whether or not you are entirely opposed to cannabis use,
understanding how cannabis works
in the brain and body, itself, is absolutely fascinating
and can teach you a lot about how your brain and body work
at a basic level and can tell you a lot about
how your brain and body will react to different life events
and how your mood is established and stabilized,
and how your appetite is established and stabilized
and so on.
So we have the three major strains of cannabis,
sativa, indica and ruderalis.
And for sake of today's conversation,
we can pretty much cross off ruderalis.
It's not often consumed,
and components of ruderalis are not often consumed
for medicinal or recreational purposes.
Let's focus on sativa and indica.
People will consume the sativa variety of cannabis
either by edible or by smoking cannabis,
or they will consume the indica variety of cannabis,
again by edible or by smoking cannabis,
or sometimes they will take it in a transdermal form
or a sublingual form.
There are a bunch of different ways
to get the cannabis into the body,
but there's a clear distinction between sativa and indica
that actually shows up first in the structure of the plant.
At their extremes, meaning in a pure strain of sativa,
it tends to be a taller plant, a longer stock,
believe it or not,
and actually the length of the leaves is quite a bit longer,
whereas the indica plant tends to be more short and stout.
And, for those aficionados out there,
I'm sure you know a lot of the other specific features
of sativa versus indica,
but already what we're talking about is the same plant,
cannabis, with two very different morphologies or shapes.
You might say, "Well, why is this interesting or important
"to how it affects me or affects other people
"for medicinal or recreational purposes?"
Well, it turns out that even though they are the same plant,
these two different genetic varieties,
because of the way that they grow
and the way they capture sunlight
and the way, believe it or not, that the different plants
within that strain interact with one another,
'cause believe it or not,
plants are interacting with one another,
they actually bring different elements
of the psychoactive compounds to different components
within the leaves and the so-called buds.
The takeaway is that when consumed,
and when I say consumed, I want to be very clear,
I don't necessarily just mean oral consumption
or eating cannabis sativa by edible,
I also mean smoking it, and that could be...
people will, just like with tobacco,
the way that they bring the psychoactive components
into their bloodstream and into their brain and body
is to essentially heat the dried leaves
of the cannabis plant.
Then the heat liberates some of the psychoactive components
that when inhaled into the lungs,
because the lungs include a lot of vasculature,
a lot of basically blood vessels and capillaries,
that the psychoactive components
are actually directly absorbed
from the lungs into the bloodstream,
and they can cross into the bloodstream
and permeate throughout the body
and cross the so-called blood brain barrier.
So in other words, burning the plant liberates the smoke
that contains the psychoactive compounds,
and those are inhaled into the lungs
and then get into the brain and body
and act on the brain and body.
And the major effect of sativa varieties
are to create a high, if you will,
and I'm putting this in air quotes
for those of you that are listening,
but to also act as a stimulant.
The sativa varieties tend to make people
feel invigorated, somewhat alert.
It doesn't tend to be as much of a sedative
as some of the other varieties.
Some people report heightened sense of focus
or heightened sense of creativity.
We'll talk a little bit later on
as to whether or not they actually
are achieving heightened levels of focus and creativity,
or whether or not they just perceive themselves
to have heightened levels of focus and creativity.
The sativa varieties tend to make people
feel a little bit less susceptible
to pain and noxious stimuli,
which are basically stimuli that you don't like.
So the sativa varieties are often prescribed or are used
in the recreational context for pain management and relief.
Basically, the sativa variety is known
to include a head biased effect.
So here, we're talking about subjective effects,
and of course these will vary
from one individual to the next.
Some people will smoke cannabis sativa
or ingest cannabis sativa orally
and will feel an entirely different array of effects,
but most people, the majority of people
experience a head-centered high, alertness, focus
and a sense that they're more creative.
Contrast that with the indica varieties of cannabis,
and when people smoke or eat or ingest indica varieties,
the psychoactive components of indica,
and again, this is pure indica,
so not hybridized with sativa at all, but just pure indica,
tend to lead to more full-bodied effects.
People report feeling more complete, full-body relaxation,
more of a sedative effect.
Indica cannabis is often prescribed
and/or used recreationally
in order to achieve a state of sleep
or to help relieve anxiety, so less of a stimulant effect.
And we will talk about why,
literally, the underlying neural circuits
that lead to the sativa variety causing more
of a elevated mood and a head high, if you will,
and the indica variety as being more full body relaxation.
One of the ways to remember the distinction
between the effects of cannabis sativa and cannabis indica
was relayed to me by a friend who actually was a chronic,
meaning every day, all day, consumer of marijuana.
He basically smoked marijuana for 20 years
before quitting about four or five years ago,
and he said that indica is often referred to
as 'in-da-couch,' meaning laid back in the couch.
And that can help you remember
that the indica varieties of cannabis
do tend to be more sedative in their effects.
Okay, so there's sativa and there's indica,
and then now there are hybrid strains.
So marijuana growers and people who specialize
in creating novel varieties of the cannabis plant,
again, I'm using the words cannabis and marijuana
more or less interchangeably here,
they are very good at creating new strains of plant
that might be 25% sativa and 75% indica or vice versa,
or 50/50 or 90/10.
Essentially, what's happening nowadays
is that through plant biology, plant genetics, I should say,
growers are getting quite efficient
at creating a variety of different strains
of the marijuana plant that give rise to very nuanced
and distinct effects on brain and body.
In fact, so much so, that there's now a new nomenclature,
a new language emerging around cannabis
and the development of novel strains of cannabis
for medicinal and/or recreational purposes.
And while this might sound a little bit medical
or a little bit clinical to some people, believe it or not,
this is the nomenclature that is now typically used.
People still refer to the sativa, indica and hybrid strains,
but there's now also a description
of so-called type one, type two and type three strains
for any given sativa, indica or hybrid strain.
Okay, so just to put this clearly in your mind,
you've got sativa varieties, that is pure sativa varieties.
You have indica varieties, again, pure indica,
and then you have hybrid varieties,
and beneath each of those,
you have type one, type two and type three strains
of indica, sativa or hybrid varieties.
What are type one, type two and type three?
Well, type one, type two and type three strains
are strains that have varying amounts
or ratios of THC to CBD.
So for instance, type one strain,
so for instance, you could have a pure sativa, type one,
or a type one pure sativa or a type one indica.
Those are going to have the greatest amount
of THC relative to CBD.
And I really want to emphasize this,
understanding the ratio of THC to CBD
can help explain a lot or even predict a lot
about how a given strain of cannabis will impact somebody.
For instance, because THC is largely responsible
for the typical psychoactive components of cannabis,
so what I mean here is, if somebody's ingesting sativa,
and it routinely makes them feel more energized,
elevates their mood,
it gives them a heightened sense of creativity,
if that's what they experience,
and they're taking a type one version of that,
that means that it's quite rich in THC and very little CBD.
However, if they were to take a type one version of sativa,
and it feels far too strong, like too much energy,
or they felt like they were too much in their head,
nowadays, there are strains of sativa
that have been genetically engineered,
and I don't mean by an engineer tinkering away
with gene engineering in a CRISPR creating mutes,
but literally by hybridizing,
crossing different plants to one another,
creating in a natural context,
the same way plants in the outside world
would sometimes hybridize to one another,
creating a variety that's perhaps type two,
which is going to have less THC and more CBD,
or a type three, which is going to be very high CBD
and very little THC,
and the same is also true for the indica varieties.
So I want to make sure that everyone understands this,
because it becomes very important
for understanding the biology of cannabis
and predicting positive versus negative effects of cannabis.
Sativa has this stimulant-like effect
and tends to be more of a head high, if you will.
Indica tends to be more full-body,
then lead to more in-da-couch, as I refer to it before,
pun intended, deep relaxation, reduce insomnia, et cetera.
Now, within each of those sativa and indica,
you have type one, type two and type three,
and that has everything to do with how much THC,
which is the dominant psychoactive compound,
versus CBD, which has other effects, mainly on the body,
but not so much on the brain
and modes of thinking and mood, et cetera,
how much THC versus CBD is present.
And again, type one is THC dominant,
type two, equal ratios, if you will, of THC and CBD,
and type three tend to be high CBD.
Okay, so already we've got some categorization here
that hopefully isn't overwhelming to you,
but this turns out to be extremely important
if you want to understand how cannabis works
and predict the effects of cannabis.
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Okay, so somewhat surprisingly,
we're going to set aside cannabis.
We're going to take what we know about sativa, indica,
type one, type two, type three, CBD, et cetera,
and we're just going to set that aside for a moment.
Why would we do that?
Well, we have to ask ourselves,
why would any of these plants,
why would any of these compounds, THC, CBD,
sativa, indica, et cetera,
why would any of that have any effect on us at all?
And this discussion that we're about to have
very much resembles the discussion
that we had on a previous episode about nicotine,
because as many of you know,
nicotine is a commonly used substance.
In fact, if we were to look
at the three most commonly used drugs,
alcohol will be at the top of the list.
Many billions of people regularly use alcohol
or occasionally use alcohol.
Many billions of people also use nicotine.
It's the second most consumed drug, so more than 1 billion
and probably closer to 2 billion people consume nicotine,
and then the third most consumed drug
is cannabis in one form or another.
And many of you are probably shouting,
"What about caffeine? What about caffeine?"
Well, in the context of drugs,
and in particular, addictive drugs,
caffeine doesn't quite rise to the list,
but if we were to look at caffeine
and include it in that list,
caffeine would be above all of those.
But the most commonly used drugs are alcohol,
second after that is nicotine and then cannabis.
Nicotine, as some of you may know,
if you listen to the episode on nicotine,
but even if you didn't,
nicotine comes from the tobacco plant,
and there are a few other plants that include nicotine,
and typically it's brought into the brain and body
by smoking tobacco, dipping tobacco,
snuffing tobacco or vaping nicotine.
Nicotine exists in the outside world
in these plants, the tobacco plants,
but the reason it has an effect on the body
is that there are so-called nicotinic receptors in the body.
Now, those nicotinic receptors were named after nicotine,
the compound, but they existed in the brain and body,
not because of the existence of a tobacco plant,
but because there are other chemicals in the body
that naturally occur, namely acetylcholine
that bind the nicotine receptor.
Those chemicals, such as acetylcholine,
that bind the nicotinic receptor in your brain and body
create an enhanced sense of focus, et cetera, et cetera.
But, nicotine from tobacco binds that same receptor,
but with much greater affinity,
and therefore also creates a state of focus,
but a much greater one than we can achieve without nicotine.
So you can see the nicotine episode
if you want to learn more about that.
In a very similar way, all of our brains and bodies,
from the time that we are conceived, believe it or not,
very shortly after conception, if we want to be accurate,
very early conception, when you were in the womb,
and still now, if you're listening to this,
you have what are called cannabinoid receptors,
because you also have endogenous cannabinoids.
What do we mean by that?
You have receptors, which are like little parking spots
that are present on cells in your brain and body,
and what we call a ligand,
which is basically just a chemical that's released,
parks in that receptor
and causes a number of different biological effects.
Cannabis contains compounds
that also bind to those receptors,
but here I want to make a really clear distinction.
We have what are called endogenous ligands,
those just mean chemicals from within us
that we make naturally,
even if we never go near the cannabis plant
or any other source of cannabis,
we have chemicals that are created in us
that park in those receptors and cause biological effects
on mood, on perception, on the immune system,
on hunger, et cetera,
again, without ever going anywhere near cannabis,
we have these endogenous cannabinoids.
So endogenous cannabinoids are floating around in us,
or I should say, they are released in us
in particular ways, bind to these receptors
and cause changes in mood, appetite, et cetera.
They have many different effects on the brain and body,
and we'll talk about those.
But just like with nicotine,
there are substances in the outside world,
in this case, cannabis contains these substances,
so things like THC and like CBD, that when ingested
by smoking or vaping or by ingesting edibles
also will park in those same receptors,
the cannabinoid receptors and lead to biological effects.
Now, it's a little bit misleading,
because we call them cannabinoid receptors
as if they were there to bind cannabis,
or just like we call the nicotine receptors,
nicotinic receptors, it makes it seem as if they were there
in order to bind nicotine from tobacco,
but that's not the way our brains and bodies evolved.
Our brains and bodies evolved for these receptors
to make use of chemicals that exist within us,
called again, endogenous chemicals,
and those endogenous chemicals lead to certain effects,
as I mentioned before.
The key thing here,
if you haven't understood anything I've set up until now,
please understand this, the key thing is
that THC and CBD and the other components of cannabis
bind to those receptors,
those endogenous cannabinoid receptors,
the ones that we naturally make, with much greater affinity
and exert a vastly greater potency and effect
on mood and perception, et cetera,
than do our endogenous cannabinoids.
Another analogy that one could take
in order to understand this
would be hormones, like testosterone and estrogen.
Many people, I would say all people,
make testosterone and estrogen to varying degrees.
It's going to depend on whether or not you're male, female,
your age, whether or not you've gone through puberty,
et cetera, et cetera,
but let's just take testosterone for example.
There's testosterone circulating in your body.
That's true if you're male or female,
and there are receptors called androgen receptors,
we could even call them testosterone receptors.
And the testosterone binds to those receptors
and has effects on cells.
It causes hair growth, changes the voice.
It can affect libido.
It affects all sorts of things in the brain and body,
depending on which organ and tissue you're talking about.
But of course,
there are people that take synthetic testosterone
or derivatives of testosterone,
and some of those derivatives,
for instance, in the body building community
and the sports community,
they will take things like Dianabol.
These are modified versions of testosterone
that can bind to the testosterone receptor
with much greater affinity,
or I should say the androgen receptor
with much greater affinity,
and have supra physiological effects,
effects that would essentially never be seen
from testosterone that was endogenously,
excuse me, endogenously released within the body.
We could say the same thing for estrogen.
There are estrogen receptors, they bind estrogen,
but if someone were to take synthetic estrogen
or to ingest a plant compound
that contains various estrogenic compounds,
and those plants certainly exist out there,
they can have supra physiological effects
on those receptors.
Why am I telling you this?
Well, many people believe that because cannabis,
marijuana is a plant, and plants grow out of the ground,
and they're naturally occurring,
and because we have receptors in our body
that are there without the need to engineer them
from some external source, they're in our genome.
They're program for it, and we're born with these things,
and we keep these our entire life.
Many people mistakenly think, ah, these plant compounds
are safer for us or better for us,
or are somehow appropriate for us to ingest,
but that's simply not true, and here, I'm not saying
that cannabis is always a bad idea for people.
There are certain populations and certain people
for which it can be relatively safe recreationally,
that's the truth, and there are other populations
for which it can be downright dangerous,
recreationally or medicinally.
And of course, there are medicinal purposes
that are being explored, and we'll talk more about that.
But this is vital to understand,
because I think that when we hear,
"Oh, it's from a plant, it's natural,"
and then you also have a receptor for these,
endogenous cannabinoid receptors,
and therefore, the marriage of those two,
the coming together of the chemical THC or CBD or both
with these receptors is somehow supposed to happen
as if this was a purpose of having these receptors,
but it's simply not the case.
In the same way that the nicotinic receptors
are not there because nicotine is good for us,
they're there because there are compounds
that exist within us that are good
to bind to those receptors from time to time.
Now, here's the key thing about,
I guess today, I'm saying there are a lot of key things,
but here's another key thing about understanding cannabis
and the way that it works, which is that THC and CBD,
when they're brought into the brain and body
by smoking or edible, et cetera,
they bind to those receptors,
those endogenous cannabinoid receptors,
and they tap into the same systems
that your endogenous cannabinoids would tap into,
the ones that affect mood and energy
and creativity and relaxation, et cetera,
but they do so with thousand fold greater potency.
And as a consequence of that,
your endogenous cannabinoids are outcompeted.
They really get no opportunity
to interact with those receptors.
And understanding that,
can lead to a very clear understanding of why, for instance,
when people use cannabis to relieve anxiety,
or they use cannabis to enter a certain brain state
for creativity or to enter sleep,
why a dependence on cannabis starts to emerge.
Because if they don't ingest cannabis,
and again, ingest could mean smoke to bring THC in,
or CBD in, or ingest orally or even transdermal
or tincture or one of the other varieties,
if they don't do that, then what happens is
not only are the receptors not stimulated to the same degree
or with the same potency that they normally are,
but the endogenous cannabinoids
can no longer have their effect,
so people experience heightened levels of anxiety,
disrupted mood, disrupted brain state, and so on.
Now, again, I want to be very clear
that I'm not trying to paint a picture of cannabis
as all bad or even partially bad.
What I want to do today is give you
as much information I can as to how cannabis works,
how its different component parts work,
how the different types of cannabis work,
and point to some of the valid medicinal uses
and some of the recreational uses,
and then lay out the landscape for you
as to who is really most at risk
in terms of psychoactive components,
immune components and so on and so forth,
so that you can make the most informed choice for you.
I am not here to tell you what to do or what not to do.
As I like to say, do as you wish,
I mean, don't do as you wish
if it harms other people or yourself,
but do as you wish, but know what you're doing,
so that's really my goal here.
So as we begin to dive further into the biology,
I think you'll start to get a clearer picture
of why cannabis is so effective in some context,
but also why it can create such massive suffering
in other contexts because of the way
that it out-competes your own natural
endogenous cannabinoid systems.
So let's talk about those endogenous cannabinoid systems,
what they are and how they work,
because that will give us a lens
into what the higher potency or maximum impact
of the various cannabis plant varieties and strains
in THC and CBD and so forth, how and why those work.
So what are the endogenous cannabinoids,
these chemical substances that everybody makes?
You make them, I make them.
You've been making them basically
from the time that you were conceived,
and you are going to make them until the time that you die.
Whether or not they have the impact
and the biological functions that I'm about to describe
will depend a lot on whether or not
you are using your own endogenous cannabinoids
to park in those receptors that you also have
from birth until death,
or whether or not you are tickling those receptors
or strongly activating those receptors
using some external source like cannabis and THC, et cetera.
The two main endogenous cannabinoids
that we want to consider are anandamide,
which we will refer to as EAE, so anandamide,
and another one, which is arachidonoyl-glycerol,
arachidonoyl-glycerol, which we will abbreviate 2-AG.
So let's just take EAE and 2-AG, lump them together
and talk about the endogenous cannabinoids,
just to make it simple.
But if you want to do the deep dive on anadamide
versus 2-AG, please be my guest.
The endogenous cannabinoids are released from neurons.
What are neurons? Neurons are nerve cells.
And nerve cells should be conceptualized like this.
You have presynaptic neurons and postsynaptic neurons.
Presynaptic neurons basically contain little vesicles,
little bubbles full of neurotransmitter,
which are chemicals,
and when neurons are stimulated electrically,
and that could be from a thought,
it could be from the desire to move,
it could be because of a drug,
it could be because you're hungry,
the relevant neurons will vomit out or will fuse, as we say,
those little packets, those little bubbles
of neurotransmitter into the gap
between the pre and postsynaptic neuron,
and we call that a synaptic cleft or the synapse.
It's a little gap, a little space,
and the neurotransmitter flows across that synapse,
and some of it will park in the little parking spots
that we call receptors on the postsynaptic neuron side.
Depending on which neurotransmitter it is,
and a bunch of other things not worth going into right now,
the parking of that chemical
and those neurotransmitter receptors
will either cause that neuron on the postsynaptic side
to itself, release neurotransmitter elsewhere,
or it will quiet it down,
so-called excitation and inhibition.
That's kind of neuro transmission in a nutshell.
If you don't understand it, no big deal.
It's not going to prevent you
from understanding today's discussion.
If you understand even a small fraction
of what I've just said,
then it's going to allow you to understand
not just today's discussion, but a lot of neuroscience
with a lot more nuance and depth of understanding.
The key thing to know about the endogenous cannabinoids
is that unlike most neurotransmitters,
they are released from the postsynaptic side.
So what happens is neurotransmitter goes
from presynaptic neuron to postsynaptic neuron,
but under certain conditions,
the postsynaptic neuron, itself, releases a chemical,
and that chemical goes backward, what we call retrogradely,
to the presynaptic neuron, binds to receptors there
and changes the probability that the presynaptic neuron
will release neurotransmitter.
Put simply, endogenous cannabinoids
tend to decrease the probability
that a neuron will release neurotransmitter.
They're a break on the system.
They're a way of shutting down the communication
between neurons, regulating it,
not to make it completely quiet,
but to adjust the levels with a lot of nuance.
Now, the other thing that the endogenous cannabinoids do
is a mind bender, because we're talking about cannabis,
and a commonly known feature
of cannabis and marijuana consumption
is disruptions in short-term memory,
and there is essentially zero debate
as to whether or not that occurs,
and we'll talk about the mechanisms a little bit later.
And yet, endogenous cannabinoids,
the chemicals that you naturally release
from these postsynaptic neurons
that travel retrogradely back to the presynaptic neuron,
actually can lead to strengthening of connections
between the presynaptic neuron and the postsynaptic neuron
through a process called long-term potentiation, or LTP.
They can also cause
what's called depression of communication
between a presynaptic neuron and a postsynaptic neuron.
Long-term depression has nothing to do
with depression as a psychological state or as a illness.
Long-term potentiation and long-term depression
simply refer to the probability
that one neuron will be able
to stimulate and activate another neuron.
And, as I just told you,
the endogenous cannabinoids can either turn up the dial
or turn down the dial.
They can either increase the probability
or decrease the probability
that a given connection between neurons
will function more or will function less.
So if you think about the communication between neurons
as crosstalk, as a conversation,
well, the endogenous cannabinoids can dictate whether or not
that conversation is likely to occur or not to occur.
Think of them as either putting someone
at the top of your text chain in your phone,
which would be long-term potentiation,
or essentially blocking their number,
which would essentially be long-term depression.
So, if you're getting the impression
that the endogenous cannabinoids
are working in a number of different ways,
and it's not very straightforward, you're right.
In fact, that's the message that I'd like you to take away.
The endogenous cannabinoids
are sometimes increasing neuronal communication.
This can lead to increases in mood
or increases in the likelihood
that someone will talk a certain way
or behave a certain way or feel a certain way.
That can also lead to decreases in synaptic transmission,
that is communication between neurons,
in ways that will make somebody's mood lower,
or will make them less hungry or more hungry.
And, here's the really key thing,
there are two kinds of endogenous cannabinoid receptors,
referred to as CB1 and CB2,
and we can say with confidence that CB1
is highly enriched in the nervous system,
and especially within the brain.
It's found not everywhere,
but almost everywhere in the brain
and elsewhere in the nervous system,
so spinal cord and other aspects of the nervous system.
CB2, the cannabinoid receptor, CB2
is largely located in the tissues of the body,
including the immune system, the liver,
even the genitals, et cetera.
So what this means is that the endogenous cannabinoids
are having these sorts of effects
on neurons that I talked about,
but they are also having effects on immune cells,
on reproductive organs, on liver,
on digestion, on hunger, et cetera,
through mechanisms that are divorced
from the function of the nervous system of neurons.
Now, in reality, no system of the brain and body
is divorced from the nervous system,
because the nervous system is controlling everything.
It is really the master controller,
and everything's feeding back to the nervous system,
so it's a two way street.
But the simple way to think about it is CB1 receptors
are mainly in the nervous system,
and CB2 receptors are mainly in the body
and endogenous cannabinoids, again, EAE, anandamide,
and 2-AG, arachidonoyl-glycerol,
are impacting CB1 and CB2 receptors.
Today we're mainly going to talk about CB1 receptors,
'cause they are the ones that are responsible
for most of the familiar effects of cannabis,
but the key takeaway at this point is to really understand
that the major effects of your endogenous cannabinoids
on these receptors in this particular CB1 are very nuanced.
It depends on context, depends on which neurons.
It's sometimes increasing communication between neurons,
sometimes decreasing it, and then along comes cannabis,
and that cannabis, again,
can arrive by smoking, by vaping, by edible.
And cannabis contains THC and CBD
that potently bind the CB1 receptor,
and now the effects of the CB1 receptor
being occupied by THC or being occupied by CBD,
are not very nuanced.
In fact, they are very predictable
and especially important is to understand
that they are so strong, and they park in that receptor
with such affinity, with such force and precision
and stubbornness and refusal to leave that receptor
that they completely outcompete
the endogenous cannabinoid system.
In fact, they leave the endogenous cannabinoid system
essentially dysfunctional, which, in some cases,
may be a good thing, but in most cases,
is going to lead to problems of various kinds,
and we'll talk about what sorts of problems.
And again, I feel obligated to say,
this is not me saying don't ingest cannabis or THC or CBD.
That's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is if you evaluate the potency
that is in technical terms,
it would be the affinity with which these compounds,
THC and CBD and CBN, bind to these endogenous receptors,
that would be like a howitzer gun, like a cannon going off,
as compared to endogenous cannabinoid,
whether or not it's EAE or 2-AG,
which is more like a cap gun level of activation,
at least in this analogy.
So now you have what at least I would like to think
is a fairly complete understanding
of the different varieties of cannabis,
at least at a broad sweep,
and the different biological effects that they can have,
at least in terms of the major receptors
and in retrograde signaling, et cetera, et cetera.
Now, let's take a step back into the real world
and evaluate or think about
what happens when somebody smokes cannabis
or ingests cannabis by way of edible
or tincture or something of that sort.
Cannabis is very fast to enter the bloodstream.
In fact, within 30 seconds, it's going to enter the brain
and permeate throughout the brain and body.
That's very, very fast.
I mean, when you contrast that
with something like alcohol or even nicotine,
depending on how the nicotine is delivered,
that is a very fast delivery of the psychoactive
and biologically active compound,
which in this case is THC and CBD
and probably some other things as well.
So within 30 seconds,
it reaches the brain and bodily tissues,
and within 30 to 60 minutes,
it's going to reach its peak concentrations
and have its peak biological effects.
Those aren't always the same thing,
but in the case of cannabis,
again here I'm using cannabis as an umbrella term
for THC and CBD, the effects are going to peak
at about 30 to 60 minutes after bringing those compounds
into the body in some way or another.
And the effects tend to last
anywhere from three to four hours,
although there's some variation on that,
depending on individual metabolism,
whether or not somebody is familiar with the compound,
believe it or not, psychologically familiar,
but also biologically familiar,
or whether or not it's a first time use
or occasional use and so on.
THC and CBD and other components of cannabis
are highly what we call lipophilic.
That is, they have an affinity toward,
and they can actually pass through fatty tissues.
Now, every cell in your body, but especially neurons,
have a double layer of fat on their outside.
And of course, when people hear "fat,"
they always think, ooh, fat's bad.
Most of the world seems to want to lose fat or bodily fat.
Here we're talking about the fatty membrane,
the barrier around each tissue,
in this case we're talking particularly about neurons.
And THC and CBD and the other components of cannabis
are highly lipophilic, so they can get into
essentially all cells just simply by flowing into them.
They will also remain in those cells for a long time.
So, I know that a number of people,
depending on whether or not they get tested
for work or for sport or otherwise
for cannabis or CBD and THC,
don't take this as a strict number,
but typically, if one ingests CBD or THC,
smokes cannabis, ingests by orally, et cetera,
doesn't matter, it's going to stay in that fatty tissue
and can be detected for at least as long as 80 days
after ingestion, and there's a whole industry
as to how to accelerate the clearance,
and I should just tell you that just losing bodily fat
isn't going to eliminate it from your system,
maybe partially in those fat cells,
but certainly intravisceral fat and other fatty tissue
that's in around the brain and body
is going to harbor that THC molecule and the CBD molecule
for quite a long while, at least 80 days.
So, if someone smokes cannabis or they ingest cannabis,
it very rapidly gets into the bloodstream,
and the components that are psychoactive
get into the bloodstream
and are immediately able to access neurons and other cells
and start having these effects
of parking at those endogenous cannabinoid receptors
and impacting the signaling between neurons,
which leads to the subjective effects of cannabis,
including THC and CBDs, so let's talk about
what those different subjective effects are.
Again, this is going to vary depending on whether or not
people are ingesting sativa varieties of cannabis,
just to remind you, those tend to be elevated mood,
alertness, talkativeness.
People who take sativa varieties tend to talk a lot more
than they would otherwise.
Again, there are exceptions to this,
of course there are exceptions.
I'm sure there are people out there shouting,
although I guess if you're the quiet people
who don't talk too much, you're probably not shouting,
or if you're not, you're not doing on sativa,
Joe contended, but in any event, there are exceptions,
but there are also general rules.
And the sativas tend to make people's mood elevated,
energetic, again, this sort of head high,
and indica varieties tend to do the opposite.
more of a sedative, relaxant, et cetera.
Why and how would they do that?
Well, without going into an extensive deep dive
into the different neurotransmitter systems
of the brain and body, what we know for sure
is that CB1 receptors are present
on an enormous number of different neurons
in brain structures in neural circuits,
so that the sativa varieties that act as a stimulant,
making people feel happy,
'cause in general, they do tend to elevate mood,
at least at certain dosages, talkative,
tend to make people feel like they have ideas
that are interesting, that they might want to share,
tend to narrow their context, so we tend to increase focus.
This is something that's not often discussed about cannabis,
but especially the sativa varieties
can increase people's level of focus to particular things,
something they're watching or something they're doing
or music, it allows them to narrow their sense of focus.
That's going to occur by activation of CB1 receptors
in the so-called prefrontal cortex,
which is just behind the forehead,
and the prefrontal cortex acts as a strong modulator
of so-called limbic circuitry and other circuitry
that is more stress oriented.
The way to think about the stress and limbic circuitry,
such as the amygdala, which many people have heard about,
is that they aren't really circuits for fear and stress.
They are circuits that are constantly evaluating
one's own internal state, heart rate, et cetera,
and what's happening externally, and, sorry to say,
but the default of those systems is to detect danger,
so threat detection systems.
And then the prefrontal cortex largely acts
as a brake on those systems,
so like the reins pulling back on a steed of horses
that would otherwise just take off.
And so, the sativa varieties tend to increase CB1 activation
in the prefrontal cortex and in other circuitry
that then leads to an overall reduction in stress,
because of the way that prefrontal circuitry
can reduce activation or the amygdala.
Now that, of course, does not explain
why some people become very stressed and very paranoid
when they smoke sativa varieties
or other varieties of cannabis
or ingest other varieties of cannabis.
We'll talk about the paranoid effect and why that occurs
and who might predict that would occur to them
in a little bit.
But I just want to give you a sense of how this is working,
because as I mentioned before,
THC and/or CBD are going to bind that CB1 receptor,
let's say in prefrontal cortex,
the neurons of the prefrontal cortex, it's going to bind there,
and then they'll be a retrograde signaling
back to the presynaptic neuron,
and in the case of prefrontal cortex,
what's happening is it's increasing transmission,
increasing the release of neurotransmitter
in the prefrontal cortex.
However, at the same time,
the very same THC and CBD that was brought into the system
is binding the very same type of receptors, CB1 receptors,
in other brain structures, such as the amygdala
and causing retrograde signaling
back to the presynaptic neurons in the amygdala,
but it's quieting the activation of those neurons,
so this is interesting.
We have the same compounds, THC and/or CBD,
brought into the body and brain,
binding the same receptors, in this case the CB1 receptors,
but depending on where those receptors are located
and which brain areas we're referring to,
they are either causing heightened levels of alertness
and activation of systems that are designed
to make you talkative and alertness and mood, et cetera,
focus, or they're causing suppression of those circuitries.
So we have kind of a seesaw effect here
where the same compound is increasing mood and alertness
and focus in the prefrontal cortex
and is decreasing stress and threat detection
in the amygdala, and that's one of the reasons why,
especially the sativa varieties of cannabis,
allow people to enter these states of focus,
some might even say flow, although I don't want to go
into what flow states really are.
That's for a different discussion,
and it's very poorly defined as it is.
And I certainly don't want to give people the impression
that cannabis increases flow states,
because that's not always the case,
and certainly most often is not going to be the case.
But the idea here is that this molecule comes into our brain
and is shifting everything towards a state of focus,
elevated mood of heightened sense of importance
about whatever it is that we happen to be doing.
And now of course, whatever we could happen to be doing
could be writing a song, writing poetry,
communicating with somebody,
but it could also be something as trivial
as watching cartoons or watching a movie,
which is not trivial in its own right,
but in terms of thinking about the creative aspects
or the creativity stimulating aspects of cannabis,
not productivity oriented.
So narrowed focus, elevated mood,
more relaxed and yet energetic,
that's the major effects of the sativa varieties,
except, and this is a really big boldface,
triple underlined 'except,'
except in some individuals, depending on dosage,
but also depending on preexisting neural circuitry
and propensity for anxiety,
some people ingest or smoke sativa varieties,
and regardless of whether or not it's a type one,
type two or type three variety,
regardless of the ratio between THC and CBD,
people will experience intense anxiety and paranoia.
Now, how do you predict
who will experience intense anxiety and paranoia
and who will experience intense relaxation, focus
and sense of creativity from ingesting
or smoking a type one, type two or type three sativa?
Well, there is no way to predict that,
and there's a lot of what I would call street lore
or dorm room lore or not peer reviewed,
but peer discussed among friends and people
and acquaintances lore out there that what one needs to do
is simply smoke more, or just ingest more.
You hear that, "Oh, well listen, if it makes you paranoid,
"you simply need to use more,"
that is absolutely categorically false.
Everything we know about the way that THC and CBD work
is that they tend to potentiate,
that is increase the effects of these different systems
at given synapses and in different areas
of the brain and body.
That is, if someone experiences paranoia or anxiety
from a given strain of the marijuana plant
or from ingesting an edible in a particular way
or a particular kind of edible,
that person is very likely to experience the same effect
every time they ingest that strain or variety.
This is part of what's led to this enormous industry.
I mean, there are a number of different reasons,
but this is part of what's led to this enormous industry
of highly customized cannabis
where people will spend some time
really seeking out the different strains of cannabis
and hybrids of cannabis that work best for them
and work best for them in particular context.
I wish I could tell you that if you are a person
who is between 5' 7" and 6' tall,
and you have blue eyes or brown eyes,
that the sativa varieties are going to be right for you,
or that sativa varieties are going to give you panic attacks,
I can't do that.
The only way to determine it would be
to actually experience ingesting those or smoking those,
which is certainly also not what I'm suggesting.
That's up to you.
I'm not telling you what to do or what not to do,
but there are no good predictors.
In fact, if you look in the literature,
it is not at all clear that people
who have a heightened level of anxiety
when they do not smoke cannabis
will experience cannabis
as less paranoia inducing or more relaxing.
That's simply not the case.
Now, what we can say for sure
is that general categories of effects,
such as increased focus and reduced anxiety
are largely due to activation of areas
like the prefrontal cortex.
Now, unlike other compounds like nicotine or alcohol
or neurotransmitter systems like dopamine,
when we talk about the cannabinoid system,
and I say effects, biological effects, psychoactive effects,
I want you to keep in mind always,
please, please, please keep in mind
that those effects can be varied
and often opposite in direction,
so let's just give an example of that.
I just mentioned that when people smoke or or eat sativa,
that it tends to lead to one specific set,
or generally leads to one specific set of effects,
heightened focus, mood, et cetera.
Whereas when they ingest or smoke indica and its components,
again, we're still talking about THC and CBD
in varying ratios, but now indica cannabis, and you say,
"Well, why would it improve the transition time to sleep?"
Or at least give people the impression
that it improves the transition time to sleep.
We'll talk about what indica actually does
for sleep in a little bit,
but indica also tends to suppress activation
of the amygdala and threat detection centers in the brain,
again, binding the same CB1 receptors
in those retrograde signaling mechanisms
that I talked about before,
but it also tends to shut down the hippocampus,
an area of the brain associated with memory,
which is why indica varieties lead to pronounced,
or I should say profound defects in short-term memory
and sometimes in long-term memory as well,
if it's consumed over long periods of time.
We'll talk about short, medium and long-term consumption,
occasional consumption going forward.
So what I'd like you to take away
from this component of the discussion is first of all,
the mechanism of action
by which cannabis impacts the brain and body,
but in particular the brain,
is going to be through CB1 receptors,
and those CB1 receptors can lead to either an acceleration
or a brake on particular biological mechanisms.
And there are going to be a constellation
of different accelerations and braking
of different neural systems in the brain and body,
depending on whether or not people ingest sativa
or indica or some hybrid strain.
And perhaps most importantly,
even if you didn't understand anything
that I've said about the biology
of these different strains in the receptors,
please do understand that there is no way to predict
what the effect of a given strain will be on an individual.
There has been extensive exploration
as to whether or not people who are so called mellower
or more anxious or any number
of different personality dimensions
will respond in one way or the other,
but, in fact, there is no way to tell.
Layer on top of that the fact that dosing THC and CBD
can be fairly straightforward in the form of edibles,
because there can be, at least if it's a controlled source,
a defined number of milligrams of THC,
a defined number of milligrams of CBD.
That's true for ingestibles.
It's much harder to gauge that
from the smokeable forms of cannabis,
especially if those smokeable forms of cannabis
are obtained through sources
where there isn't a lot of clear information
about the total amount of THC in that product.
Now, this is all changing quite a lot nowadays
because of the commercialization of of THC and CBD products
and cannabis in a number of different areas,
including in the United States.
But still, many people are ingesting cannabis,
THC, CBD through sources where they don't really know
how much they're bringing into their system.
And so, whether or not someone
gets incredible anxiety relief, enhanced sense of mood
and focus and wellbeing, pain relief, et cetera,
or whether or not they have full blown panic attacks,
et cetera, is very hard to predict
based on dosage information alone.
Now, of course, we can create broad categories,
and we are going to talk about studies
that create broad categories of low dose, moderate dose,
and high dose. frequent use and infrequent use,
but unlike alcohol, unlike nicotine,
we can't really point to specificity of X amount of alcohol,
grams of alcohol per week, which is safe,
or X amount of alcohol, which is not safe.
And so I know a lot of people out there are wondering,
how often can they smoke cannabis,
or how often can they eat cannabis or THC or CBD
in any number of its different forms and products, safely?
Well, we have to really define what 'safely' means,
and we have to really acknowledge
that there's a pretty loose set of controls
over what one is bringing into their brain and body
as they ingest THC and CBD,
but even under conditions in which it's very controlled,
it's very hard to predict what those effects will be.
So before moving into specifics
of taking cannabis or not taking cannabis,
who should, who shouldn't,
what the medicinal purposes are
and what some of the newer, exciting data point to,
I just briefly want to make a list,
and I promise very briefly, I know I'm not often concise,
but I do try to be thorough for your sake.
I want to make a very brief list of the different brain areas
that are impacted by THC and CBD
and why THC and CBD have the various effects they do.
When somebody smokes or ingests cannabis,
doesn't matter what the THC or CBD ratio is,
if they experience deficits in memory,
and that's almost always present, that's going to be
because of reductions in electrical activity
within this brain region we call the hippocampus.
Hippocampus means seahorse. It's shaped like a seahorse.
Anatomists like to name things after what things look like,
but hippocampus memory, memory is reduced,
in particular short-term memory.
That's true regardless of whether or not
one is using sativa indica or some hybrid.
In general, the prefrontal cortex is going to be activated
by the sativa varieties, which is going to increase thinking
and narrowly constrain focus to some activity,
and that's more commonly associated
with the sativa varieties.
The indica varieties, as I mentioned before,
tend to lead to a suppression of activity
in prefrontal cortex, believe it or not,
and turn off thinking and planning.
This is why indica varieties are often used
for relaxation and for promoting sleep.
Regardless of whether or not sativa or indica variety,
and again, regardless of the ratio of THC to CBD,
there is a general suppression of neural circuits
within the so-called basal ganglia and cerebellum.
Basal ganglia and cerebellum are areas of the brain
that are involved in action planning and withholding action,
so that would be the basal ganglia,
so-called go, no go circuitry,
and the cerebellum, which is involved in balance,
but also motor planning and motor sequencing.
This is why people who smoke marijuana,
regardless of the strain,
will tend to be less physically mobile.
Other common effects are reddening of the eyes,
dryness of the mouth,
that's actually caused by the same general mechanism,
which is a reduction in the secretion of saliva
and of tears and lubrication of the eyes
from the lacrimal glands of the eyes
because of the presence of largely CB2,
but also CB1 receptors in the mouth and on the eyes.
And there tends to be,
especially with certain strains of cannabis,
increase in appetite, so-called munchies,
and that has everything to do with very, very high density
of CB1 receptors in the hypothalamus,
and in particular areas of the hypothalamus,
like the arcuate nucleus of the hypothalamus,
other areas as well, of course,
that have tons of CB1 receptors, bind THC and CBD
and activate the neurons that strongly stimulate appetite
through two mechanisms, one is a cognitive mechanism
of creating a preoccupation with food
in anticipation of taste,
as well as the experience of taste.
So the narrowing of focus to what you want to go eat.
You really crave, I dunno, pizza.
It seems to be high fat, high carbohydrate foods,
but really crave pizza and narrowing of focus,
so that you're not thinking about anything else,
but also signaling from the hypothalamus to the gut
to neurons within the stomach, itself,
that regulate blood sugar,
so there are strong effects on blood sugar of THC and CBD
that generally lead to increases in appetite,
so two parallel mechanisms, one within the brain,
one within the body, increasing appetite,
so there's an array of different effects.
And as I mentioned before, CB1 receptors are present
all over the nervous system in the brain, the spinal cord.
In fact, the presence of CB1 receptors in the spinal cord
largely explains the fact that THC and CBD, to some extent,
although it's not very well studied,
can provide some pain relief.
I say some, because a lot of people perceive
or believe that they experience more pain relief
from cannabis than they actually do.
It actually has a lot to do with a perceptual shift
to basically focusing on other things,
but there does seem to be some antinociceptive,
meaning anti pain effects of cannabis, THC in particular,
and that is exerted largely through effects on CB1 receptors
in neurons of the spinal cord.
So a broad array of effects are taking place,
regardless of what strain you take
and whether or not you eat the cannabis
or you smoke the cannabis.
And the broad array of effects can be explained by the fact
that that retrograde signaling can lead to activation
or suppression of activity in various neurons.
So now I'd like to take a step back
from the biology of cannabis and THC and CBD
and all the signaling and receptors, et cetera,
and really just focus on cannabis use,
and wherever possible,
I will point to the specific strains that have been studied
and the ratios of THC to CBD,
but I have to say that unfortunately,
most studies of marijuana, of cannabis,
while they have been very careful
to detail the amount of THC,
low dose, medium dose, or high dose,
and actually getting very specific,
right down to the number of milligrams
or even how much circulating THC is present
after somebody smokes a joint or ingests cannabis,
most studies have not distinguished
between sativa and indica strains.
And that's unfortunate, because in the real world,
people are distinguishing between sativa and indica strains
in their patterns of use and what they prefer
and what they don't prefer,
or even what they prefer to smoke during the day
or ingest during the day versus night.
Believe it or not, there are people
who are using certain strains during the day
and other strains at night,
but the science is yet to catch up to that,
or I should say, more accurately,
the general public and the themes that are emerging
and the practices that are emerging around cannabis,
especially in states where it's decriminalized or legalized,
are occurring at such a rapid rate
that there's absolutely no way
that the science could keep up.
This is a naturally occurring experiment,
not to say that it's natural, like people should do it,
but it's an experiment that's happening in real time
in the real world, much faster than controlled studies
within university laboratories
and other laboratories can keep up.
So at this point, I think it's appropriate to ask ourselves,
why do people even use cannabis?
What are they trying to achieve?
Is it always about not feeling pain?
Is it always about reducing anxiety?
Well, sometimes it is,
but oftentimes people are using cannabis
in order to achieve a particular state.
And we could use a broad brush and say,
"Well, they just like being high,"
but while that may be true in a lot of circumstances,
and I have to believe it actually is true
in a lot of circumstances,
there are a lot of people who use cannabis
in a very directed way, or they get, quote unquote, high,
in order to achieve states
that to them are particularly attractive,
and one such state is a state of creativity.
And this brings us to a broader theme,
which is, does cannabis increase creativity?
And if so, is it the THC, the CBD,
what's the appropriate ratio
or the best ratio for accessing creativity?
This is an interesting and important discussion, I believe,
because creativity is one of the more sought after
and more elusive states that humans can experience.
And yet, if you look at human evolution,
you look at our progression
in terms of technology development
and culture and music and poetry, et cetera,
we really can look to creativity as the state
that fostered so much of that evolution.
So whether or not you're into technology,
or you're into art or music,
whether or not you're just somebody
who wants to expand their understanding
or their experience of life in some way,
creativity is a fundamentally important state
to try and access and to try and access regularly
and to try and tap into,
in order to eventually produce something,
in order to create something of meaning
that exists not just in that creative state,
but to yourself after that creative state has gone away,
so the painting that you paint in the creative state
hopefully is a painting that still inspires
and has impact after you exit that creative state
and that will inspire others, and this could be true
for any number of different things, not just painting.
So does cannabis increase creativity?
The short answer is, it depends.
First of all, we need to define creativity.
Here we are, thinking as scientists,
if not already scientists,
and there are basically two modes of thinking
that are associated with creativity,
and they don't completely explain creativity.
But if you look in the research,
the psychology research and the neuroscience research,
you'll hear about convergent thinking
and divergent thinking.
Convergent thinking is taking loose ideas
and kind of braiding them together,
finding a common thread, synthesizing,
and organizing those different ideas
into some common or specific framework
in order to get or create some specific outcome.
So convergent thinking is basically the person in the room
who's listening to all the ideas and taking them all in.
Maybe it's a panel of, how should we
get a certain product out to market?
Or what are the different motifs
that we should include in a piece of music?
Or what should we do
in terms of rearchitecting a given physical space?
Taking in those different opinions,
those different ideas from different people,
and then synthesizing them and coming up
with one or a small subset of coherent ideas
that incorporate some or all of the ones that they heard,
so that's convergent thinking.
It doesn't have to involve a panel of people talking to you.
I use that as an example
of what goes on inside your own head
when you are engaging in convergent thinking.
You're thinking, well, so and so said this,
and I think that, and you're braiding them through
and trying to get some common themes,
some common vector to emerge from that.
Divergent thinking, on the other hand,
is best described as brainstorming.
It's exploring ideas and continuing to move
into the variation and the vastness of ideas
in hopes of eventually being able to converge
on some novel idea or framework.
So these are similar and related,
but typically the creativity process
involves first brainstorming and divergent thinking,
and then in order to arrive at something,
to actually create something, the verb 'create,'
not just thinking about what you might create,
which occurs during divergent thinking,
but actually creating something, a specific painting,
a specific song, a specific body of literature,
a specific scientific project or experiment and so on,
that usually involves convergent thinking.
Now these can be explored in the laboratory,
and they can be explored in the laboratories
through sets of different types of questionnaires
or even tasks that you can give human subjects,
and this has been done extensively
and across the entire body of data,
and by that I mean, literally hundreds of studies
that have explored the relationship
between particular neuro circuits and neurochemicals,
convergent and divergent thinking.
We can arrive at a principle,
and the principle involves a molecule
that many of you have heard about before, which is dopamine.
Dopamine is a neuromodulator.
It's involved in motivation,
and it tends to direct our attention
to things outside of us, but it's also closely related
to convergent thinking and divergent thinking
and to the creative process.
And therefore, it should come as no surprise
that diseases of the nervous system, excuse me,
such as bipolar disorder,
which we've done in episode all about bipolar disorder
or schizophrenia or mood disorders
that impact the levels of dopamine,
either make it way, way too high or way, way too low,
strongly impact whether or not people will be creative.
And I think the short takeaway that makes the most sense
in terms of framing this,
and we covered this on the episode on bipolar disorder,
sometimes called bipolar depression, is that in professions
where there's a lot of creativity required
in order to succeed, so again, musicians, composers,
artists, et cetera, you tend to find more manic depression,
and manic depression,
at least in the manic states, the hyperactive states,
are correlated with elevated levels of dopamine.
Likewise, it has been seen over and over throughout history
that individuals that have mild forms of schizophrenia,
or even full-blown schizophrenia,
many famous painters for instance, or musicians,
they are known to have elevated levels of dopamine,
and they are quite creative.
Now, that doesn't mean everybody who's creative
has elevated levels of dopamine,
although it's likely that their levels of dopamine
are at least not diminished,
and it doesn't mean that non-creative people
have low levels of dopamine,
so don't get carried away with the interpretation here.
But the point is this,
dopamine levels strongly relate to the probability
that you can engage in convergent and divergent thinking,
and they do so in the following way.
When dopamine levels are high,
divergent thinking is more likely.
That is, when people have a lot of dopamine
circulating in their system,
they tend to be very expansive with their ideas,
they tend to brainstorm a lot,
they tend to be comfortable and even want to,
or reflexively throw out a lot of ideas
so that sometimes even seem a little disconnected.
Some people might think of this
as attention deficit, but it's not.
It's really the idea of throwing out disparate ideas.
You hear sometimes, you throw things against the wall
and see what sticks, that's a obviously an analogy,
but people are throwing lots of things against the wall
and seeing what stick,
and then seeing how the things that stick fit together,
that's divergent thinking, and elevations in dopamine
tend to increase divergent thinking.
However, they tend to do this in an inverted U-shape way.
For those of you either watching on YouTube,
I'm just drawing a hump, obviously,
and for those of you listening,
just imagine a U, the shape of a letter U,
and then just flip it upside down, so it looks like a bump.
Turns out that when dopamine levels are very low,
there's a low probability of divergent thinking.
When dopamine levels are high, as I mentioned before,
there's a high level or probability of divergent thinking.
But when dopamine levels go very, very high,
then there's again, a reduction in divergent thinking.
In other words, there's a sweet spot
of elevated dopamine for divergent thinking.
And again, divergent thinking
is critical for the creativity process,
because creativity by definition
is taking a novel set of ideas
and arranging them in a particular way,
or taking existing ideas and arranging them in a novel way
that then you eventually converge
on some new product, new idea, new song, et cetera.
Now, convergent thinking follows a very different pattern.
When dopamine levels are high,
convergent thinking is not very likely.
And when dopamine levels are low,
convergent thinking is very likely.
So here, using arguably a very reductionist view,
we're looking at all of this thing we're calling creativity
through a very neurosciencey reductionist lens,
we can say this.
The creative process involves going into a state
where you're willing to consider a lot of options,
many of which seem distantly
or not even connected to one another,
and dopamine facilitates that divergent thinking state
in which you are perfectly happy
and in fact, experience a joy, or elation, a comfort
and a pleasure in organizing all these different ideas
that to anyone else might seem not that related.
But when your dopamine levels are elevated,
these all seem like great ideas
and that maybe there are connections there.
You're not accepting all of them as true and valid
and interesting in combining them, but there's this idea
that it's worth entertaining the possibility,
at least for moments.
And then, as dopamine levels drop,
there is the process of convergent thinking,
which is taking options down off the wall saying,
"No, no, that doesn't fit with that,
"that doesn't fit with that,
"but ah, that fits with that, and that can work.
"That feels right or sounds right or looks right."
That's the creativity process.
And so, I think this is not just important
for understanding cannabis,
which we'll get back to in a moment,
but it's important for understanding creativity
and brain states in general.
Brain states are not, as we would say,
a square wave function.
You don't just drop into a trench of creativity.
Creativity is not an event, it's a process.
And what I'm telling you is that it's a process
that involves divergent thinking
and consideration of a lot of different ideas.
That's correlated with high but not too high dopamine.
And then, one has to transition into a state
of convergent thinking, which is really honing in
on the ideas that seem to have validity
or that could have validity
and getting rid of everything else,
and that's associated with low dopamine.
It's more about logical implementation and consideration
as opposed to thinking about and considering everything.
So let's now return to the question
of whether or not cannabis
and its different components increase creativity.
And when you look at the literature on this,
you find studies that very clearly point to a yes,
it increases creativity, and it's not surprising,
therefore, that cannabis can increase dopamine transmission,
that is dopamine levels, in certain brain areas,
in particular brain areas involved in thinking and planning.
So cannabis increases dopamine in these areas.
Elevated dopamine increases divergent thinking,
and divergent thinking is associated with creativity,
and there are studies that support the idea
that cannabis can increase creativity.
However, there are at least as many studies
that say that cannabis does not increase creativity,
that cannabis increases consideration of multiple ideas,
perhaps through elevation of dopamine and related systems,
but that ultimately the ideas that converge from that
are not truly creative ideas,
at least they don't meet the criteria
for creative brainstorming
and extraction of ideas that are truly novel,
so it doesn't increase creativity, so which one is it?
Well, fortunately,
there's an entirely distinct set of literature
that has taken all the other literature into consideration,
and here's where we arrive.
So there's a really nice study
that explored creativity in cannabis users,
and we will provide a link to this study.
First author is Emily LaFrance,
and the title of the paper,
somewhat amusing in its own right,
which is, it starts with a question,
inspired by Mary Jane, of course,
Mary Jane being one of the old school versions
or ways of talking about cannabis or marijuana.
Nowadays, people refer to it mainly as pot,
as other names too, of course,
and the title of the paper is,
"Inspired by Mary Jane Mechanisms Underlying
"Enhanced Creativity in Cannabis Users."
And I really like this study for a couple of reasons.
First of all, they looked at people who did not use cannabis
as well as people who used cannabis,
so they had two different groups,
but they did not evaluate creativity of the cannabis users
while they were under the influence of cannabis.
They looked at the level of creativity
in these cannabis users
when they were not under the influence of cannabis
and asked whether or not their ability to be creative
was enhanced by cannabis.
Now we're going to compare this to studies
in which people come into the laboratory
and actually use cannabis,
and then they evaluate creativity under that context.
But this study has some unique takeaways
that I think are really interesting.
First of all, they did, yes,
see evidence for enhanced creativity,
and when I say enhanced creativity,
I mean within the context of this divergent thinking thing
that I talked about a moment ago.
And when I say enhanced,
I mean significantly greater than in non-users,
so people that don't use cannabis.
So right now I can imagine that all the cannabis users
are cheering, "Yes, cannabis increases creativity,
"makes people more creative than they would be otherwise."
Well, this is interesting.
We have to ask ourselves how that was accomplished.
And it turns out that one of the major ways
in which it was accomplished is that cannabis users,
even if they're not under the influence of cannabis,
are far more open to novel ideas,
and they have a more explorative and reduced anxiety,
or I should say lower anxiety mode of thinking
when they explore novel ideas,
which is essential for divergent thinking.
So they observed both enhanced divergent
and convergent creative type thinking in cannabis users.
And the source of that, they conclude is,
and here, I'll just quote, "Cannabis users' higher levels
"of openness to experience are responsible
"for their enhanced self-reported creativity
"and convergent thinking test performance."
So it's not necessarily that cannabis
is increasing the capacity of the brain areas
that are associated with creativity,
but rather, cannabis appears to be increasing an openness
and probably doing that in part through lowering anxiety
in particular people, and that openness
is leading to inclusion of more ideas
during the divergent thinking process.
They're willing to consider throwing up
more things on the wall to see if they stick, so to speak.
So in their conclusions, they have a really nice statement.
Again, I'll just read from the paper,
because they said it better than I ever could, quote,
"While mainstream media has propagated the idea
"that cannabis expands the mind and enhances creativity,
"our results show the link between cannabis and creativity
"is largely a spurious correlation,"
meaning that it's not the case
that cannabis increases creativity, but,
and I inserted the 'but' in this quote,
but "driven by differences in personality
"that are related to cannabis use.
"For example, openness to experience that are related
"to both cannabis use and augmented creativity."
This is a real chicken/egg argument. What do I mean by that?
What I mean is, this paper finds
that people who are more open to experience
are more likely to use cannabis,
and people who use cannabis
are going to be more open to new experiences,
and that combination of features, openness to experience,
and what that openness to new experiences brings,
enhances the convergent and divergent thinking
that is characteristic of the creative process.
So in short, cannabis increases creativity,
but through changes in personality
that tap into the creative process,
rather than directly impacting the neural circuits
that, for instance, turn on creativity.
And I have to say, this study is really important,
because by exploring cannabis users,
not while under the influence of cannabis,
they were able to tap into this very important,
what I believe to be fact.
Because if you think about a study
in which you would have one group using cannabis
and another group not using cannabis,
and then you give them some task that taps into creativity,
you will see effects and very likely,
you'll see effects where cannabis might even increase
divergent and convergent thinking and creativity.
Those results have actually been published
many times before.
But given the varied effects of cannabis and THC
that we talked about earlier,
through all of that complex signaling stuff,
you can imagine that there will also be other studies,
and in fact, there are,
where divergent and convergent thinking and creativity
is not assisted by cannabis
and might even be reduced by ingesting cannabis.
However, if one considers that divergent thinking
is absolutely crucial to the creativity process
and the range of things that one will explore
will be enhanced by openness
and by reduced levels of anxiety,
so a willingness to explore different options,
some of which might seem completely crazy,
and cannabis increases the personality types
and reduces the anxiety that create that sense of openness,
well then it makes perfect sense
why cannabis would increase creativity
in certain individuals, but not directly.
And this study, the one I just referred to,
which I should say was published
in the journal, "Consciousness and Cognition,"
and again, we'll provide a link to it,
did a wonderful job of teasing out
this impact of cannabis on personality,
which then impacts creativity.
So if somebody asks you, or if you're wondering,
or if you feel like cannabis increases creativity,
in some sense the answer is 'yes,'
but the answer is 'yes' because of the ways
that it shapes openness to new ideas
and can, I should say 'can,' because not in everybody,
but can, in some individuals, reduce anxiety.
What this means is that if you are somebody
who experiences anxiety or increased levels of focus
from cannabis, regardless of the strain,
and here I have to imagine people
are exploring different strains,
if they're exploring them at all,
exploring different modes of delivery,
smoking or ingestible, et cetera.
If you're somebody who experiences anxiety,
it's very likely that you won't have the increased openness
to experience and divergent ideas
that will facilitate creativity.
However, if you are somebody who achieves heightened levels
of relaxation and reduced levels of anxiety from cannabis,
regardless of which strain we happen to be talking about,
well then, yes, it will position you
to be in a heightened state of creativity,
at least as defined by convergent and divergent thinking.
One of the more characteristic,
or I should say stereotype qualities of people
that smoke a lot of marijuana or ingest cannabis
through other means is there changed patterns of speech.
In fact, there's a lore in the clinical realm
that you can predict or get some strong indication
as to whether or not somebody is a cannabis user
or pot smoker based on their voice
and their particular tone of voice
and their lack of inflection.
There's a lot of speculation here,
but fortunately, it's been studied.
So I'd like to discuss now
whether or not cannabis can impact patterns of speech,
both acutely, meaning while under the influence of cannabis,
and over time, in chronic cannabis users.
And when I say 'chronic cannabis use,'
I want to be very specific what I mean.
Chronic cannabis use does not necessarily mean
that people are smoking cannabis
or ingesting cannabis every day,
although certainly if they are,
that qualifies as chronic use.
Chronic use is regular use over time
of anywhere from twice a week or more.
So using cannabis once a month
would not be considered chronic use,
even if it's for many, many years.
Using cannabis or ingesting cannabis
in some way or form twice a week
would be considered chronic use.
Then of course, some of you out there
are going to ask me to split hairs and say,
"Well, what if somebody uses it twice a month?"
Well, listen, the clinical literature,
and the scientific literature don't get that specific.
And of course, they're an infinite number of ways
to arrange one's cannabis use,
everything from zero, none at all,
to constantly, every day, all day and everywhere in between.
But think of chronic use as twice a week or more.
Think of occasional use as less than that
and realize that within the realm of chronic use, excuse me,
that 'or more' can be anywhere from twice a week,
to every day, to just in the evenings, et cetera.
The effects of chronic use of cannabis,
as I just defined it, on speech have been studied.
Because of this characteristic,
drawing out of certain syllables, a slowing of speech,
and in many cases a total change or alteration
in the way that people speak and use language,
both when under the influence of cannabis
and when not under the influence of cannabis
if they're chronic users.
And here we really want to distinguish between THC and CBD
and just make it really simple and say
that CBD is not responsible
for most of the psychoactive effects of cannabis,
whereas THC is, and again,
the ratio of CBD to THC is going to be relevant there,
but let's just think about cannabis and THC
as one in the same for this portion of the discussion,
realizing that, of course,
they are not exactly the same thing.
There's an excellent study entitled,
"Adults with History of Recreational Cannabis Use
"Have Altered Speech Production,"
and we will provide a link to that,
first author, Adam Vogel, really like this paper.
It was published in the journal,
"Drug and Alcohol Dependence."
We will provide a link to it for you
if you'd like to peruse it in more detail.
The title itself, "Adults with a History of Recreational
"Cannabis Use Have Altered Speech Production,"
tells you pretty much everything you need to know,
except there's some important nuance in here,
because, as I mentioned earlier,
people who smoke sativa varieties of cannabis
oftentimes will become more talkative, much more talkative.
However, whether or not people tend to rely
on sativa cannabis use or indica cannabis use,
there is a very consistent finding
that people who are chronic users,
again twice a week or more,
recreational use or medicinal use,
undergo pretty profound changes in the way that they speak,
but in a very specific set of ways.
Now, first of all, the changes in speech
shouldn't surprise us at all,
because both sativa varieties of cannabis
and indica varieties of cannabis
impact those brain centers involved in movement,
the basal ganglia, remember the go, no-go circuitry,
the circuitry that makes you want to do things,
and the circuitry that makes you want to withhold action?
And it tends to shift the body and brain
toward more inaction.
And cannabis impacts CB1 receptors in the cerebellum,
which is involved in motor planning, execution and balance.
So, regardless of whether or not people
are using cannabis of the sativa or the indica variety,
there are disruptions in motor circuitry.
And, as you may have heard,
if you listened to our episode
with Rockefeller professor, Dr. Erich Jarvis,
who works on speech and movement, speech is movement.
The movements of the mouth, the movements of the hands,
those are intimately related in terms of our speech.
In fact, the centers of the brain involved in hand movements
are part of the speech areas and vice versa.
Erich actually pointed out
that if you put your hands behind your back,
provided you normally do have use of your hands,
it actually will reduce your fluidity of speech,
and so I'm going to put them back in front of me now.
The point is, smoking marijuana or consuming marijuana
by edible changes one's speech
and does it in a very specific way.
And in this study by Adam Vogel and colleagues,
they explored a huge different variety of aspects of speech.
And this can be done using spectral processing,
which is fancy nerd speak
for looking at how much inflection there is
or looking at how long people hold vowels
or consonants, et cetera, and again,
these are people not under the influence of cannabis,
but rather people who tend to be under the influence
of cannabis when not participating in the study,
in other words, chronic recreational cannabis users.
So what are the two major shifts that cannabis causes
on our patterns of speech?
Well, the first one is a change
in what's called spectral tilt.
Again, that's fancy nerd speak
for vocal effort and intensity.
So, I'm not a pot smoker, I confess,
but if I were to say the sentence,
"Vocal effort and intensity
"are important components of speech,"
that's the way I would say that sentence
if I was striving to enunciate very carefully
and to accent certain words and syllables.
A pot smoker or somebody who uses recreational cannabis
fairly often would have reduced spectral tilt,
AKA, vocal effort intensity, and might say,
[mumbling] "Spectral tilt is vocal effort in intensity,
"and it differed between groups and appeared to change
"in line with the duration of abstinence from cannabis use."
That I think is not a far cry
from the change in spectral tilt that they observed here.
In addition, there are changes in verbal timing,
that is pronunciation of words
and accenting particular syllables of words
in people that consume cannabis or smoke cannabis.
So rather than emphasize particular words within a sentence,
so again, I'll just use a sentence from the paper
so that you can gain more knowledge from the paper,
"Cannabis," and I'll say it the way that I would say it,
since I'm not a cannabis user.
"Cannabis, marijuana, is the most commonly used,
"illicit drug in the world with approximately 4% of adults,
"aged 15 to 64 years reporting recent use,
"and the citation is from the United Nations Office
"on Drugs and Crime, 2019."
So that would be the way
that I would typically read that sentence.
And having gone into the data on this paper,
and of course evaluated references therein
and listened to some of the spectral analysis
that they include as data,
you can literally go into these papers online
and hear recordings of people who are cannabis users
or non-cannabis users,
and I'll try and give you a a clear sense
without picking an extreme example of how somebody
who's a fairly consistent or even occasional cannabis user
might read that very same sentence.
"Cannabis, marijuana, is the most commonly used
"illicit drug in the world with approximately 4% of adults
"age 15 to 64 years reporting recent use,
"and the citation comes from the United Nation Office
"on Drugs and Crime in 2019."
Now you'll notice that wasn't a dramatic difference.
And, of course I could have taken the liberty
to pick an extreme example of the sort
that they did occasionally observe
in evaluating subjects for this paper.
I could have said something like,
[mumbling in low tone] "Cannabis, marijuana,
"is the most commonly used illicit drug,"
but frankly that would've been selecting an outlier example,
and I don't want to do that.
I don't want to skew the data as they say.
Rather, if you heard the first time I read the sentence
and the second time I read the sentence,
what's mainly different is the difference
in the amount of enunciation and accenting
of particular words and symbols within a sentence.
So the total content that's delivered is exactly the same,
and while I wasn't measuring my pace,
the overall rate of communication is essentially the same,
but there's less lilting and falling of the voice
and less accenting.
That's the major consistent effect of cannabis use.
Now of course, there are examples of people
who are using a lot of cannabis,
and it impacts brain centers
involved in movement and speech,
so much so that they really do have
the really drawn out kind of, nah,
and oftentimes this will be detected in the laugh.
There's this stereotypical stoner laugh,
as it's sometimes called.
Rather than say "Ha, ha, ha"
or that's a fake laugh, obviously.
It's hard to make myself laugh
if something's not actually funny.
I'll have to think of something funny.
When people say like, "Ha!"
That's a bit more of the way I might laugh,
like, "Ha," sort of the inspiratory laugh
or the, "Ha," which is expiratory laugh.
People who use cannabis chronically
will often do that, "Haa," which is the back of the throat,
[laughs raspingly] it's neither inspiratory
nor expiratory laugh, and believe it or not,
there's an entire literature
on inspiratory, inhaling, versus expiratory laughs,
and there's also a literature on cannabis
altering the pattern of inspiratory and expiratory laughs.
It almost sounds like a sarcastic laugh
when, in fact, they may not be feeling sarcastic at all.
And I have a very close friend and colleague
who's a phenomenal neurosurgeon and neuroscientist
by the name of Dr. Eddie Chang.
He's the chair of neurosurgery at UCSF,
and his lab and him are expert in the study
of neuroscience controlling language and speech.
And he often tells me that he can predict,
with almost certainty,
whether or not somebody is a regular cannabis user
based, not just on the patterns of speech that they use,
but even just by recording specific neurons in their brain
that underlie the laugh reflex
and certain patterns of speech.
So this idea that cannabis use changes your ability
to speak and enunciate clearly does appear to be true.
And the stereotype that cannabis use
tends to create more of a drawl
or, if you will, a laziness in the laugh,
and some of the reflexive enunciations that people use,
does also appear to be true.
And I say all that, of course, with the caveat
that many people out there will know individuals
or perhaps you, yourselves, are individuals
that may use cannabis but that have incredible articulation,
probably better than mine
and better than other people out there
who speak for a living, so I'm not saying
that 100% of people that use cannabis regularly
can't speak well or clearly.
That's simply not what I'm saying,
and I don't want to communicate that idea at all,
but it is the case that people
who are regular cannabis users
are impacting the neural circuits involved in movement.
Movement also controls speech,
and therefore, cannabis is impacting speech.
Now I'd like to turn our attention
to whether or not cannabis can increase sexual activity,
sexual desire, and/or sexual function,
so we're going to be talking about libido, about sexual desire
and about effects of cannabis on hormones.
And while this might sound like a discussion
that's purely oriented towards recreational use of cannabis,
that is people using cannabis to heightened
or increase their sense of arousal for sexual activity,
it actually ventures into the clinical realm too,
meaning there have been excellent peer-reviewed studies
that I'll describe to you in a moment
exploring the use of cannabis or THC, more specifically,
for something called hypoactive sexual desire disorder,
which refers to a persistent or recurrent deficiency
or absence of sexual fantasies and thoughts
and/or desire for, or receptivity to, sexual activity.
This is a disorder that is fairly common,
anywhere from 6% to 9% of people, both males and females.
It used to be considered higher prevalence
in females than in males,
but now those numbers seem to be evening out.
So basically, there are anywhere from 6% to 9%
of people out there who have very diminished sexual desire.
And so, a number of those people
are interested in figuring out ways
to increase their amount of sexual desire,
and of course, there are people in the general population
who may not have hyperactive sexual desire disorder
who are interested in using cannabis recreationally
in order to increase their desire for,
or their experience of, sexual activity.
Now first we have to acknowledge
that sexual desire and activity
is a complex set of processes,
meaning it's not just one event, sex, the verb.
It involves arousal, it involves sex, the verb,
and it involves a whole set of mindsets and emotional states
that vary tremendously between individuals.
But once again, we can distill out a few basic principles,
and I should emphasize,
these are by no means the only chemicals
and neuro circuits involved in the sexual arc,
as we'll call it, desire, the act of sex, et cetera,
but they are central to it, they are vital to it.
They would be considered
what I would call necessary but not sufficient,
so there'll be other chemicals involved too,
but the main chemicals in neuro circuits
are those involved in dopamine,
so the so-called mesolimbic reward pathway,
in particular, a brain structure called nucleus accumbens,
which we'll talk about more in a moment,
is vital to all motivated behaviors and to the seeking out
of all particular types of pleasurable experiences,
and sex is no exception.
So when we hear that the nucleus accumbens is activated,
that almost always means that dopamine
has been released in that area
and other areas of the brain body,
and we can consider dopamine central
to the desire for, pursuit of, an act of sex.
In addition to that, there are molecules like oxytocin,
which are involved in pair bonding,
and they're going to be neural circuit specific
to the oxytocin circuitry,
but in terms of sexual arousal and sexual behavior,
it's really the dopamine pathway in this nucleus accumbens,
which are especially vital.
That allows us to address the question,
does cannabis increase, decrease,
or have no effect on sexual desire
and/or the ability to have sex?
And therein, we will find some very interesting answers,
and because, once again,
it will point to the fact that the effects of cannabis
on different individuals can be highly divergent,
meaning in one set of individuals,
cannabis will make them far less anxious.
And in another set of individuals,
the same strain of cannabis, at the same dosage,
will make them extremely anxious.
The same can be said also of sexual activity.
And this was beautifully illustrated
in the context of sexual desire in the journal,
"Psycho-pharmacology," in a paper published in 2017.
The title of this paper is, "Individual Prolactin Reactivity
"Modulates Response of Nucleus Accumbens to Erotic Stimuli
"During Acute Cannabis Intoxication, an fMRI Pilot Study."
So I'll give a little bit of definition
to some of the terms in the title
that will make it easier for you to understand the paper,
but then I'll just march through the results,
because they're very straightforward
and easy to understand and very interesting.
fMRI is just functional magnetic resonance imaging,
so basically subjects in this experiment
came into the laboratory.
They were either people who had not used cannabis before
or who had used cannabis before.
They were placed into a brain scanner,
one of these fMRI devices.
It looks like a tube that people are backed up into
and then they can view images in there,
and their brain can be imaged
without having to remove any skull
or drill into the skull, no neurosurgery.
The participants in this study were grouped
according to whether or not they had experienced
any aphrodisiac effects
during the intoxication with cannabis,
so that would be the first group, Group A,
they literally called it group A for aphrodisiac.
And then the second group,
and this is the only thing I don't like about this study,
is rather than call it group B,
they called them 'group non A,'
which just gets a little confusing.
So I'll try and simplify all this.
There are two groups,
and one group experiences sexual arousal
when under the influence of cannabis, THC specifically.
The other group does not.
And it turns out this is a very commonly observed divergence
of effects of cannabis.
Some people experience a lot of sexual arousal
from cannabis and THC in particular, and some people do not,
in fact, they experience suppression of sexual desire,
and it's always been a little bit mysterious
as to why that is.
Well, in this study, they showed people
in both groups erotic images,
and they measured sexual arousal
through a number of different measures.
We won't go into all that.
It was largely subjective.
There have been other studies
where they've actually measured things
like erections in males and vaginal lubrication in females,
so-called autonomic responses that people can't lie about,
so to speak, and that tap into other aspects
of the so-called sexual arousal process.
In this study, they also took blood samples
to look at the concentration of things like cannabinoids,
so this is a really nice study
in that they actually measured how much THC
was in the bloodstream in different individuals
who reacted to these erotic stimuli in different ways.
And they measured hormones, namely cortisol,
which is a stress hormone,
which tends to negatively correlate
with sexual arousal and prolactin.
And the interesting takeaway from the study was
that for people, and it didn't matter
if it was males or females, 'cause they looked at both,
for people that experienced elevated prolactin levels
under cannabis intoxication, that's how they refer to it.
People take cannabis, they measured prolactin.
Some people had elevated prolactin and some people did not.
For the people that had elevated levels of prolactin,
they did not observe activation
of brain areas associated with sexual arousal,
in this case, the right nucleus accumbens,
so you have two nucleus accumbi,
I guess they would be called, one on each side of the brain,
and the activation of that brain area
is strongly associated with dopamine and with arousal
and sexual arousal in particular in this study,
and if people had elevated prolactin,
they did not experience activation of nucleus accumbens,
and they did not report feeling sexually aroused
to those pictures, at least not to the same degree
as the other group.
So some people's prolactin levels go up
when they ingest cannabis,
and those people do not achieve elevated levels
of sexual arousal when under the influence of cannabis,
even if they're looking at erotic stimuli.
That makes sense, because prolactin
is mutually inhibitory, as we would say.
It's kind of in a push-pull with dopamine.
When dopamine levels are high,
prolactin levels tend to be low,
and when prolactin levels are high,
dopamine levels tend to be low.
The other group, so-called Group A,
that experienced elevated levels of sexual arousal
when under the influence of cannabis
and viewing erotic stimuli,
that group did not show elevated levels of prolactin
in response to cannabis.
So this, I believe,
resolves a longstanding controversy in the field,
which is, does cannabis increase sexual arousal?
Well, it depends.
If you fall into the category of person
who has elevated levels of prolactin
in response to cannabis, then no, actually cannabis
will suppress your sexual response and desire.
If, however, you are in the category of person
that does not have elevated levels of prolactin
in response to cannabis,
well then, erotic stimuli can potentially
and in fact, do increase sexual arousal
in the majority of individuals.
Now, many of you are probably hearing this
and wondering whether or not you fall
into one category of individual or another.
And the key thing here to understand
is that levels of prolactin heading into the study
did not predict whether or not people would respond
to cannabis with elevated or non elevated
or even reduced levels of sexual arousal.
It was whether or not people's prolactin levels went up
or did not go up, that predicted
whether or not their levels of arousal would go up or not.
So if you are somebody who, yes,
does experience elevated levels of sexual arousal
and function went under the influence of cannabis,
well that's very likely that cannabis
does not increase your prolactin levels,
at least not to a significant degree while you're taking it.
And if you're somebody who does not experience increases
in sexual arousal or function
or even diminished sexual arousal and function
when under the influence of cannabis,
it's very likely that cannabis
is increasing your levels of prolactin.
Unfortunately, there's no way to know or predict
based on some other measure.
I think the outcome measure,
that is increased or not increased
or even reduced sexual arousal is really the litmus test
by which one can figure that out.
While we are on the topic of the effects of cannabis
on sexual function and hormones like prolactin,
it's probably worth mentioning
that cannabis has been studied extensively
for its impact on other hormones,
and we can summarize those literature in the following way.
And here I'm referring to studies only on adults.
We'll talk about the developing brain and body
in a little bit, but it is very clear
that smoking cannabis increases prolactin levels.
Very, very clear.
Now, you might say, "Didn't, you just describe a study
"about a set of individuals whose prolactin didn't increase
"and as a consequence,
"their level of sexual desire went up?"
Yes, there are a subset of individuals
for which that's true, but people who smoke cannabis
do experience increases in prolactin,
and that's especially pronounced in people
that smoke cannabis more than twice a week.
So this is important, prolactin, as I referred to earlier,
is reciprocal or mutually inhibitory with dopamine.
One way to think about this is in the context
of the normal sexual arousal arc
whereby dopamine is increased
when people are sexually aroused, but then after orgasm,
both in males and females, prolactin levels skyrocket.
This is actually what creates
the so-called refractory period for males
during which they cannot achieve erection again
for some period of time.
That relates directly to how long
the prolactin increase lasts.
Prolactin is also increased in new parents of all species,
including humans, which at least partially,
explains some of the reported or typical reductions
in sexual desire and activity in new parents.
Now, there are other reasons for that too,
sleep deprivation, but nature is smart
and has arranged a set of hormones and circuits
in the brain and body, such that when tending
to a newborn is the most important thing, it relegates,
it reduces the importance of producing more children
and sexual activity in those moments
and days and weeks, sometimes longer.
So when prolactin levels are up, dopamine levels are down.
Smoking marijuana more than twice a week
significantly increases prolactin.
There are fewer studies exploring
whether or not edible marijuana has the same effect,
although the preliminary evidence suggests that it does not.
I get into this in a lot more detail in a future episode,
all about hormones with Dr. Kyle Gillett,
who's been on this podcast before.
But he verified that, and my read of the literature
is that the edible forms of marijuana, cannabis,
probably again, let's put an asterisks next to this,
but it appears do not have as as much
of a prolactin elevating effect
and therefore, not as much of a dopamine suppressive effect
and therefore, not as much
of a testosterone suppressing effect,
and that gets to the issue of testosterone.
Does cannabis, marijuana suppress testosterone?
And this is a very controversial literature and here's why.
Some studies say, "Yes, it suppresses testosterone
"in males and females," and keep in mind
that testosterone in females is vital for libido
and cognitive function, cellular repair, et cetera,
so it's not just important in males, of course.
However, other studies say that cannabis
does not decrease testosterone,
and it seems to depend on whether or not the cannabis
is brought into the system by way of smoking or edible.
And it seems to depend on whether or not the cannabis
is used chronically by an individual or acutely.
And here I just want to zoom out and say
that studies on cannabis or drugs of any kind in humans
are really complicated.
If you think about it,
someone has to come into the laboratory,
and let's say you want to study chronic cannabis use.
Well, you can't keep them in the laboratory all the time,
so you have to rely on their self-report
of how often they use cannabis and in what form,
and you can't really control from one individual to the next
of how much cannabis and THC
they're bringing into their system.
One person might smoke cannabis out of a bong
and take big, deep, lungs-full bong inhalations or such.
Other people might smoke joints.
Other people might use edibles.
It becomes very complicated to know what people have done
and that they're reporting it accurately,
and no joke here, especially if marijuana
is impacting the short-term memory systems.
They might not actually remember.
They might not be tracking it that well.
Contrast that with studies of the acute use
of cannabis and THC, where people who are not regular users
come into the laboratory and now suddenly,
with institutional guidelines and safety protocols,
are under the influence of THC and cannabis.
Well, now you're dealing with a person
who may not have experience with the elevated heart rate
and blood pressure that's characteristic of cannabis,
'cause it is a stimulant,
at least when initially brought into the system,
even if it might eventually lead to relaxation.
So now you've got someone who's anxious
or somebody who's not anxious, who's deeply relaxed,
and you're trying to study these effects,
so it's a moving target of sorts,
and it's very complicated to study marijuana and cannabis
in its various derivatives in this way.
Now you can probably appreciate better
as to why there's so little nuanced data
about sativa versus indica,
versus different ratios of CBD and THC.
It's really difficult to do these studies
in the first place.
That said, the general rules
are smoking marijuana increases prolactin in men and women,
which will reduce dopamine and testosterone.
Smoking marijuana chronically,
meaning more than twice a week,
does appear to reduce testosterone significantly
and elevate so-called aromatase enzymes,
which are the enzymes
that convert testosterone into estrogen.
This might partially explain the effect
that occurs in about 35% of males, which is gynecomastia,
which is a development of breast tissue in males,
in particular young males,
who have elevated levels of testosterone
or who are taking exogenous testosterone
for testosterone replacement therapy
or if they're taking high doses, anabolic steroids,
or in females, the increase in breast size,
which is due to additional estrogen
from testosterone converted to estrogen.
So it does appear that marijuana and cannabis
increase estrogen, reduce testosterone, increase prolactin,
especially in chronic users.
Now, I'm sure that some people out there will say,
well, their testosterone levels are exceedingly high
or they are fine, meaning the constellation of symptoms
associated with low testosterone and elevate estrogen
are not present in them.
That probably means one of two things, or both.
They either had elevated levels of testosterone
to begin with, so their ceiling was higher,
so bringing it down didn't have that much of effect,
or that they have very low levels
of aromatase in their system.
There are some anecdotal evidence
that smoking particular parts of the marijuana plant,
in particular, the seeds, can increase aromatase
in the conversion of testosterone to estrogen.
I think in the old days,
the lore was the seeds make you sterile,
and I think that was related to what I just told you,
this increase in conversion of testosterone to estrogen.
There's a vast literature
on the effects of cannabis on fertility.
Yes, it does seem to alter sperm motility
and sperm health and function
when taken chronically, more than twice per week,
in particular high doses of high potency THC.
This is something we will cover in far more detail
on a future episode all about fertility.
And in females, there's an increase in estrogen
as a consequence of smoking marijuana
and increasing prolactin and estrogen in parallel.
Whether or not that's detrimental isn't clear,
although I point out that elevated estrogen and prolactin
can be associated, again, can be associated,
not necessarily, and certainly, not causative,
but can be associated with elevated levels
or frequency of breast cancer detection.
So cannabis and its effects on hormones
are not without consequence.
There are effects of cannabis
on cortisol in some individuals.
It greatly increases cortisol due the anxiety
and paranoia it can create,
and in other individuals it reduces cortisol.
Again, we have these divergent effects.
But I want to be very clear, the effects on prolactin,
meaning elevated prolactin, the effects on testosterone,
meaning, at least most studies point to,
reduced levels of testosterone and increased estrogen.
That seems to be true for most all individuals
that chronically use cannabis,
whereas the effects on cortisol tend to be divergent.
Cannabis increases cortisol in some individuals
and decreases cortisol in others.
In general, increases in cortisol that are ongoing
are not healthy for us and so on.
And then of course, there are other effects on hormones,
and I'll just briefly summarize those,
that THC in particular, not CBD, but THC in particular,
is known to be strongly inhibitory
for something called gonadotropin-releasing hormone.
This is a hormone that's released from the brain,
from the hypothalamus that then feeds onto,
or I should say signals to the pituitary gland,
which is also near the roof of your mouth,
a lot of stuff happening near the roof of your mouth
it turns out, biologically,
and reduced levels of gonadotropin-releasing hormone
caused by cannabis use,
reduced levels of LH luteinizing hormone
and FSH, which reduce levels of testosterone
and sperm production in males and egg health and ovulation
and menstrual function in females.
Now, I'm sure there are a number of women out there
who will say they have perfectly normal menstrual cycles
despite using cannabis.
I'm certainly not going to dispute that,
but if you are somebody who's trying to maximize fertility
or regulate or balance hormones,
marijuana and cannabis reduces GnRH.
That is the gonadotropin-release from the hypothalamus
and thereby reduces luteinizing hormone
and follicle stimulating hormone,
which are released from the pituitary
and travel in the bloodstream
to support normal ovarian function and health
and normal testicular function and health
in females and males, respectively.
Up until now I've been discussing the biological
and psychological effects of cannabis.
Now I'd like to shift our attention
to some of the negative health effects of cannabis
and shine light on some of the individuals
or groups out there that need to be especially wary of
and probably avoid cannabis use entirely,
including ingestion of cannabis by way of edible.
And I frame things that way,
because I think there is an increasingly large number
of people out there that appreciate that smoking tobacco
or smoking cannabis, vaping tobacco,
yes, vaping tobacco, or vaping cannabis,
each and all have negative health consequences on the lungs
and on the so-called endothelial cells of the body,
the cells that make up the vasculature,
the capillaries and blood vessels.
If you don't already know this, I'll make it very clear,
and I'll make it very brief.
Whether or not you smoke or vape tobacco or cannabis,
you are severely impairing the function of endothelial cells
that make up the capillaries and blood vessels
of your brain and body,
and that is known to decrease cognitive capacity over time,
increase probability of strokes,
severely impact lung function,
and also lead to things like peripheral neuropathies.
It leads to sexual dysfunction,
because of lack of blood flow to the genitals,
can lead to other aspects of reproductive damage,
including to the ovaries and testes.
Essentially, there is no other way to state it,
except that smoking and vaping
have negative health consequences
that are independent of the substances
that people are trying to get into their bloodstream
by smoking or vaping.
So people smoke and vape tobacco,
and people smoke and vape cannabis, and in both cases,
if we just set aside the direct effects of tobacco
and the direct effects of cannabis,
we can confidently say that the process of smoking,
of inhaling smoke into the lungs,
and yes, also vaping, bringing the chemicals
that transport nicotine, or in this case, cannabis,
into the lungs by way of vaping
are both severely detrimental to endothelial cells.
I think a few years ago, when vaping wasn't as prominent,
there was this question and this idea
that maybe vaping was going to be far healthier
or at least not as bad as smoking,
but now we can see a huge number
of negative health effects of vaping,
some of which are distinct from the effects of smoking.
So if you'd like more information on smoking versus vaping,
please see the episode that I did on nicotine.
We will also do an entire episode
all about vaping in the future,
but there's really no way to slice it and dice it
or candy coat it.
The fact of the matter is that smoking has clear
and severe negative health consequences, regardless of
whether or not you're smoking tobacco or cannabis, THC,
and vaping has negative health consequences,
whether or not you're using the vape to bring in nicotine
or THC or some combination of THC and CBD.
That's simply the way it is.
With that said, now I'd like to focus our attention
on the direct effects that cannabis has,
either by way of THC action or by way of CBD action
in terms of positive or negative health effects
on the brain and body, and we're going to explore that
first as a function of age.
And the reason we're going to do that
is related to a fact that I mentioned
at the beginning of the episode,
which is that the CB1 and the CB2 receptors,
the two receptors for cannabis to which THC and CBD and CBN
and all other psychoactive compounds of cannabis bind to
to have their actions are present throughout development.
Believe it or not,
they are present very soon after conception,
and the CB1 and CB2 receptors actually play a critical role
in the development of the fetus.
Now, you might wonder why that is,
because of course, the developing fetus
doesn't necessarily expect to see cannabis
or to be exposed to cannabis and THC and CBD.
But, as you recall, endogenous cannabinoids are present
in the adult brain and body and endogenous cannabinoids,
it turns out, are also present in the developing fetus.
In fact, endogenous cannabinoids are present
at much greater levels in the developing fetus
than they are after a child is born,
and levels of endogenous cannabinoids
actually go down across development.
I find this really interesting.
What this means is that endogenous cannabinoids
and activation of the CB1 and CB2 receptors
are an integral part of neural development,
and this is going to become especially relevant
in considering whether or not pregnant mothers
should or should not use cannabis or CBD,
and it also points to some very interesting biology
in terms of how the brain develops
and how the body develops.
Now the development of the brain and nervous system and body
is a fascinating and vast literature,
certainly far too vast to cover in today's episode,
especially at this late hour as it were,
but we will have a future episode
all about brain development.
In terms of the effects of cannabis,
it's sufficient to say that cannabinoid receptors
are present and active in the developing fetus.
They're present and active in the newborn.
They're present and active in adolescence.
And across that time, from conception until adolescence,
endogenous cannabinoids are mainly responsible
for the actions of those cannabinoid receptors.
During that time, the cannabinoid receptors
are having very specific effects
that are distinct from their effects later in life,
and those effects can largely be explained
in terms of neural development.
Again, we don't have time for an entire lecture on this now,
but during development,
your body was a collection of a bunch of cells.
It's actually called a blastula,
which means a ball of cells, and then those cells
actually have to grow out connections
and duplicate themselves,
and this is a very interesting process
by which neurons initially are situated far apart,
and then they grow out connections
and make contacts with one another.
They remove certain connections,
depending on what kind of life events you're exposed to.
If you have a wonderful event early in life
or a traumatic early life,
those connections change, et cetera.
The important point for today's discussion
is that the CB1 receptor, in particular,
is expressed on every neuron in the developing brain
and has been shown to be important
for every aspect of neural development,
from the proliferation of cells,
meaning getting enough cells to create a brain,
to the outgrowth of the so-called axons,
the little wires that connect up neurons with one another,
to the steering, the direction
which those axons go in development, which is essential,
and even so far as to explain the connections
that form between neurons, the so-called synapses,
and then how those synapses work.
So the basic statement here is that endogenous cannabinoids
and CB1 receptor activation are critical
for every aspect of brain wiring and development.
With that in mind, the statement I'm about to make
is absolutely terrifying, at least to me,
and frankly, it should be terrifying to you as well.
And the statement is, the current statistics
on cannabis use in pregnant mothers is absolutely shocking.
The most recent survey of pregnant mothers
in the United States show that 15%, one-five,
15% of pregnant mothers report using cannabis
in some form or another, either smoking it
or more likely ingestion of in edible,
because they are aware of the negative effects
of smoking on the developing fetus, ingestion of an edible
to increase THC and/or CBD during pregnancy,
which to me, I have to say,
as a developmental neurobiologist is, frankly, it's scary.
It's absolutely scary, because that CB1 receptor
is not just a minor player in neural development.
It is absolutely central to every critical aspect
of brain wiring and development.
Now, the long-term implications
or even the short-term implications of this,
15% of mothers self-reporting the use of cannabis
at some point during pregnancy are not yet known.
This is, as we would say, an experiment that's ongoing.
But I'd be remiss if I didn't point out these data
and just implore you, please, please, please,
if you are pregnant or considering getting pregnant,
you're a cannabis user, whether or not you're using edibles,
if you're a CBD user, please do whatever is necessary
to not ingest cannabis or smoke cannabis
or ingest CBD during pregnancy.
Now, there may be certain clinical indications
by which your physician and your OB/GYN,
and the pediatrician that will eventually
be the pediatrician for your child will prescribe CBD,
although it's hard to imagine what those are.
I contacted a number of different pediatricians and OB/GYNs
and not a single one said they would ever suggest,
and in fact would strongly discourage their patients
from using cannabis during pregnancy.
But I think that the advent of edible forms of cannabis,
and the combination of THC and CBD in certain products,
and the fact that most people view CBD as safer,
because it does not include, or does not have, I should say,
the psychoactive effects that THC does,
has led to a situation where you have 15%
of pregnant mothers using cannabis
at some point during pregnancy
and maybe even frequently throughout pregnancy,
and the effects on the developing fetus
are completely unknown.
But recall that cannabis and THC and CBD outcompete,
meaning they park in the receptor
for endogenous cannabinoids
and prevent endogenous cannabinoids
from having their normal level and pattern of action,
so this is absolutely critical.
I cannot encourage you enough, or rather, I should say,
I cannot discourage enough the use of cannabis
and any related compounds in cannabis,
edible or smoked, certainly not smoked,
but even edible during pregnancy,
and certainly in breastfeeding, lactating mothers,
the same is also true.
Recall that cannabis and THC and CBD
are incredibly lipophilic.
They're fat soluble,
and they get into cells very readily,
and they cross the blood brain barrier.
They cross the blood placental barrier.
So when I encountered this statistic,
I had to kind of wipe my eyes a few times.
I could not believe it, and yet I crosschecked that number
with a few other studies.
A few others have come in a little bit lower
at somewhere like 13% to 14%,
and a few have come in a little bit higher,
but the average of 15% is both striking and shocking,
so I don't know how to make the message more clear.
I hope that is clear.
Please do not use any cannabis, THC
or related things including CBD, smoked or edible
if you're pregnant, lactating, et cetera.
Now we are at the point where we need to consider
some of the negative health effects of cannabis
that have been well documented in peer-reviewed studies.
And before I do this,
I want to return to a point that I made earlier,
which is that nothing I am about to say
relates directly to issues of legality.
If we consider alcohol, for instance,
alcohol is legal in most areas of the world.
It's certainly legal in the US,
and yet there's an age limit for its use.
Typically, it's not available to people
until they're 21 or older.
It's not to say that certain people don't use it
before age 21, but it's not legal.
It is illegal to buy or possess alcohol,
consume alcohol before age 21, and I think with good reason,
because the brain is still developing.
Likewise, we can have a informed discussion about cannabis
and its various components
that can fully acknowledge the reality,
which is that one of the major harms of cannabis in the past
has been the legal ramifications of cannabis being illegal.
That's a statement that is no longer controversial,
and this is not a discussion
about legalization or non legalization.
If you look to the scientific literature,
the epidemiological literature,
there are wonderful data out of Carleton University
and elsewhere in Canada showing that
many of the negative effects of marijuana and THC
are due to the criminal justice system, itself,
that is the creation of illicit drug businesses,
the creation of organized crime,
the creation of a number of different features
related to the illegality of cannabis.
And again, this isn't the topic of today's episode,
but that should be acknowledged.
And at the same time, we need to acknowledge
that when a compound, a drug or whatever you want to call it
becomes legal, there's a tendency to assume
that it's safe and safe for everybody.
And with respect to cannabis and THC and perhaps even CBD,
but certainly for THC and cannabis that's smoked or vaped
or consumed in edible form, that is simply not the case.
There are clear data pointing to negative health effects
of cannabis use and THC use, which again, is not to say
that there are not positive effects
on mood, anxiety, pain relief, et cetera.
Those are out there and they exist,
and we will mention some of those of course,
and we've talked about some of those,
creativity for instance, et cetera.
But if we do not acknowledge the negative health effects
that are documented in the literature,
then we are overlooking some very important data,
especially as it relates to the development of psychosis
in certain individuals.
So, with that said, there are very strong data,
and I will provide links to these resources,
pointing to the fact that for people
who are chronic users of cannabis,
that is using it twice a week or more,
that over time, their levels of anxiety actually increase,
and this is true even for individuals
that are using strains of cannabis,
that while under the influence of cannabis, reduce anxiety.
Over time, meaning over the course of 12 or more months,
there is a well-documented effect of the anxiety relief
that cannabis and THC initially brought,
being less and less potent.
That is people need to smoke more of it or ingest more THC
in order to achieve the same level of anxiety relief,
and in some cases, a switch from anxiety relief
to increase in anxiety,
and again, that's increase in anxiety,
not just when the drug is not being consumed,
but also while under the influence of the drug.
Why would that be?
We have to go back to our understanding of the CB1 receptor
and the potency with which THC binds to that CB1 receptor.
When THC is brought into the system over and over again,
meaning twice a week or more,
the binding of THC, that CB1 receptor,
eventually causes a habituation or attenuation
of the entire process of binding the receptor
and creating the psychoactive effects.
So initially it creates anxiety relief,
but over time, the affinity for the receptor doesn't change,
meaning it can still park in that slot
with a lot of affinity, a lot of strength,
but there are fewer receptors available,
and then the signaling that's downstream of those receptors
becomes less and less robust.
Now this is a topic we didn't get into
in too much detail today, because I didn't want to include
even more biological detail, but the CB1 receptor
is a so-called G protein-coupled receptor.
That's a mouthful, but a G protein-coupled receptor
basically is like a bucket brigade.
So while some receptors in the brain and body
are such that when something, a chemical binds to them,
that receptor has a direct action,
like it opens and allows stuff to rush into the cell,
increases the excitability of the cell,
so called fast effects,
these G protein-coupled receptors,
and CB1 is a G protein-coupled receptor,
they are more like a bucket brigade
where they kick off a process through one molecule
that then is handed off to another molecule
that then is handed off to another molecule.
It's a long chain or cascade of events.
Those long chains or cascades of events
have a lot of opportunity for regulation, for adjustment.
Receptor systems in the brain and body,
especially receptor systems like the cannabinoid system
that are used to being tickled, not punched,
tickled by endogenous cannabinoids,
every once in a while some binds, has an effect,
but certainly not bound with incredible potency
and over and over again as they are
when THC is coming into the system.
Well those systems eventually, over time,
they adjust themselves so that the body
and those cells can achieve so-called homeostasis.
So when people are using THC more than twice a week,
what ends up happening is those G protein-coupled receptors
in the downstream signaling mechanisms
start to adjust themselves,
and it requires more and more drug,
so either higher dosages or more frequent use,
and a lot of the positive effects,
the so-called decrease in anxiety,
increased focus, increased creativity,
some of that starts to wane, it starts to dissipate,
and people wonder why they have to use so much cannabis
just to achieve a fraction of the effect
that they used to be able to achieve with even a lower dose.
So anxiety is getting worse over time,
and that's anxiety during the drug use
and outside of the drug use.
Some people work around that or try to work around that
by using varying strains of cannabis
or changing the pattern of delivery from smoking to vaping
or from vaping to edible and from edible to transdermal.
Anyway, they go through a lot of gymnastics
and writhing and seeking,
but nonetheless, anxiety increases over time.
Also, it's very clear that depression increases over time
and especially, this is surprising to me,
but especially for individuals that were not depressed
at the the outset of their use.
In other words, they didn't start using cannabis
because they were depressed,
but rather the depression starts to emerge
as a consequence of the cannabis and THC use.
So that's serious, in fact, we now know,
based on really solid epidemiological evidence,
that depression is not a strong predictor
of seeking out cannabis.
It doesn't drive terribly many people
to seek out cannabis use,
but cannabis use, itself, makes people four times likelier
to develop a chronic major depression.
So anxiety is increasing, depression is increasing,
and this turns out to be especially relevant
and important to young people.
Why do I say that?
Well, if you look at the data,
and again, I think some of the strongest data
are data to come out of the Canadian system.
They've done some really beautiful controlled studies.
I really hope to invite some of the people
who arranged and ran those studies
as guests onto the Huberman Lab Podcast.
But if you look at the data out of Canada,
or you look at some of the data
out of Northern Europe and the US,
what you find is that the probability
that somebody will use cannabis
and then go on to use it chronically,
correlates very strongly with age.
So for instance, some of the highest degree of cannabis use
is among individuals 16 to 24 years old.
In fact, in individuals who are 16 to 24 years old,
and in particular, in students and people who are working,
surprising, more than in unemployed populations,
being young, 16 to 24, at least to me that's young,
and being a student or working doubles the likelihood
that somebody is going to use cannabis on a regular basis,
twice or more per week.
The typical age of initiating cannabis use nowadays
is about 19 years old, so 18.7,
and about 20% of people in that age bracket,
of 16 to 24 years old, are using cannabis daily,
either by vaping, by smoking or by edible.
That's an enormous number, at least by my read.
It's an enormous number,
and here's why it's of really serious concern.
During the ages of 16 to 24,
the cannabinoid receptors are still available.
They are not being as strongly driven
by endogenous cannabinoids,
but by ingestion of THC and/or CBD,
there are downstream effects
on the signaling within those cells
that all the data point to creating a much,
much higher likelihood of developing major depression,
severe anxiety or psychosis at later ages.
So to be very clear, cannabis use,
between the ages of 16 to 24, in both males and females
is increasing anxiety, increasing depression
in the immediate years and within the one year's time or so,
so much so that people are using the cannabis ongoing
in an attempt to reduce that anxiety
and reduce that depression,
but in addition to that, the cannabis use,
and because of the signaling mechanisms involved
are predisposing those individuals
to psychosis later in life.
If you look at individuals who start using cannabis,
even younger, age 14, or even as young as 12,
the probability of psychosis later in life,
in particular schizophrenic or schizophrenic-like episodes
more than doubles, so this is of really serious concern,
and this is completely aside
from any so-called positive effects
or beneficial effects of cannabis
that people might derive from occasional use as adults,
meaning people older than 25.
So for the person who's older than 25,
who eats an edible every once in a while,
or who smokes cannabis every once in a while,
and people love to make the argument,
it's not as bad as alcohol,
which frankly, is a terrible argument,
because if you saw our episode on alcohol,
[laughs] alcohol is pretty bad,
but even so, it's just not a good argument.
It's saying that something is good,
because it's not as bad as something else
is simply just not a good or valid argument,
at least not biologically speaking.
The use of cannabis in young populations
is very strongly predisposing people to psychotic episodes,
and we know the mechanism by which this occurs.
This occurs by a thinning of the so-called gray matter,
and it's called gray matter because with neurons,
nerve cells, they have a so-called cell body,
that's the part that contains the DNA
and manufacturers all the neurotransmitters, et cetera.
And those are shipped out to the other parts of the neuron
that include the axon, the wires between axons,
and those axons under the microscope,
because they have a lot of fatty tissue around them,
and this is healthy fatty tissue
that allows electrical transmission to be fast,
that fatty tissue, those portions of the cells,
are called white matter,
so you have gray matter and white matter.
Gray matter are the so-called cell bodies
where the DNA and all the stuff is manufactured.
White matter or the axons or the wires
through which all the key components are shipped out
to the synapse, et cetera.
Wonderful data and I do say wonderful,
because it is part of a large scale consortium,
and we will provide a link to the paper.
This was published in "Translational Psychiatry"
just this year, point to the fact
that adolescent cannabis use accelerates the thinning
of the prefrontal cortex and the gray matter in particular.
So what this means is, while during normal development,
the gray matter, the prefrontal cortex
and all the cells there are indeed intended,
it's a normal process for it to thicken
and then thin a little bit as connections are adjusted
and people learn and mature and grow up,
this is part of the normal healthy maturation process,
independent of cannabis use.
When kids, 'cause these really are kids, use cannabis,
and it doesn't matter the mode of cannabis delivery,
whether or not it's vaping or smoking or edible,
that gray matter thins at a much, much greater rate.
And the reason I like this paper published
in "Translational Psychiatry" this year so much
is that they link the amount of cannabis use,
heavy, moderate, light or no cannabis use,
to the rate of prefrontal cortical thinning,
and it's absolutely clear from these data
that the more often young people,
meaning individuals between the age of 14 and 25,
the more often they consume or smoke or vape cannabis,
the faster and the more extreme that cortical thinning is.
And the cortical thinning is occurring
in exactly the area of the brain
that's involved in planning, in control over one's emotions,
in reflexes, in organizing one's life
in a number of different ways,
anywhere from cleaning one's room, literally,
knowing what goes where,
to making plans that extend out through the day,
through the week, through a year,
essentially becoming a functional human being
involves using your prefrontal cortex
in a variety of different contexts
and different time domains, the time domain of an hour,
the time domain of a day.
Making plans and being able to execute plans
is fundamental to being a healthy human being,
and it's absolutely clear from these data
that the more cannabis one uses,
the more impaired those neural circuits are.
There's simply no other way to to view these data.
In fact, so much so, that even small amounts of cannabis use
are associated with rates of cortical thinning
and degrees of cortical thinning that are really detrimental
and concerning for normal cognitive processes.
If you were somebody who smoked marijuana
or consumed cannabis in any form or another
during adolescence, does that mean
that your prefrontal cortex can never be rescued,
that it can't come back?
Well, the short answer is,
it probably can be rescued to some degree.
It will depend on how much cannabis you were using
and how often and what strains of cannabis, et cetera.
There's really no traveling back in time,
as my graduate advisor used to say.
Time machines are broken.
At least for now, we don't have time machines.
So all you can really do is try and emphasize,
first of all, quitting cannabis in any form
and focusing on behaviors that emphasize endothelial cell
blood flow health to the brain,
so that would be cardiovascular exercise,
adequate nutrition, not smoking nicotine,
and there are a number of other things that one can do.
We will do an entire episode
all about trying to reverse the effects of cannabis
and other drug use during adolescence.
We don't have time to do a deep dive on that right now,
but all the things that standardize and promote health,
adequate sleep, good social connection,
regular cardiovascular and weight training exercise,
healthy nutrition, and what that represents to you,
healthy metabolic function and weight, et cetera,
those are all going to facilitate some recovery
of brain function, in particular,
prefrontal cortical function,
by way of all the positive effects
that those behaviors and choices have.
But with that said, if you are in the age bracket
that I've been referring to,
this 14 to 25 year old age bracket,
and you are a occasional even or chronic cannabis user,
you should be very, very careful and concerned
about the long-term effects
that that could potentially have.
That statement is bolstered by another statistic,
which is that unlike a lot of other drugs,
the rate of cannabis use is strongly related
to how dangerous people perceive cannabis to be.
Now, that might seem obvious, on the one hand,
if you think something is very, very dangerous,
you would expect that the probability
that somebody would use it would be very, very low,
and if they think something is safe,
the probability would be high.
But that isn't necessarily the case.
If you think about it, cannabis is a unique instance
in which nowadays we are hearing,
yes, it's becoming legal in a number of areas,
and we talked earlier about why that's probably a good thing
in most circumstances,
but that we aren't just hearing that cannabis is safe,
or it's not just being implied that cannabis is safer,
but many more people are talking
about the positive effects of cannabis
without a lot of discussion
about the negative effects of cannabis.
And I realize that saying this
is going to upset some people out there,
because I know that there are a number of people
who fought very hard for the legalization process,
and I want to acknowledge that.
I also want to acknowledge the many known positive effects
of cannabis in adults with very occasional use,
provided it is delivered safely and in the safe context
and setting and with legality.
That is entirely distinct from the issue
of whether or not cannabis is safe
for the developing brain and body.
Again, I'm not demonizing anybody for using cannabis,
but I want to make the point very simply and very directly.
It is far and away a different circumstance for the brain
for an individual to be 25 years or older
and using cannabis in whatever form,
occasionally or maybe even frequently,
than it is for a young person, aged 14 to 25,
to be using cannabis, either by smoking or vaping
or by edible or any other form, on the brain and body.
It's absolutely clear that the brain continues to develop
at least until age 25, and that a huge number of systems
related to mood regulation, so-called executive function,
the ability to organize one's thoughts,
plan and execute plans,
essentially to become a functional human being,
that's one portion of becoming a functional human being,
but certainly an essential one.
All of that relies on the fine tuning
of this neural circuitry
that we've been talking about up until now,
and it's abundantly clear that cannabis
and THC in particular, dramatically disrupt those processes.
So if this isn't clear enough, just from my statements,
I'd like to point to a particular paper.
This is one of the more impactful papers
in this area in recent years.
This is a paper published in "Lancet Psychiatry" in 2022.
Title is "Association of Cannabis Potency
"with Mental Ill Health and Addiction, A Systematic Review."
There are a number of very important points
in this very fine paper.
"Lancet Psychiatry" is one of the premier
medical journals out there,
and they evaluated a huge number of studies.
They actually looked at more than 4,000 studies.
They selected the ones that were only the most rigorous
in terms of study design and analysis
and rigor of conclusions, and they looked at how early use
of cannabis impacted later probability of development
of psychosis and other psychiatric conditions,
and the takeaways from this study are very clear.
First of all, chronic cannabis use,
so more than twice per week, has consistently
been associated with mental health disorders.
I'm pulling some phrases directly from the paper.
Heavy cannabis use, meaning cannabis use
more frequent than twice per week,
has been associated with four times the risk
of psychosis later in life, in particular,
schizophrenia and bipolar-like episodes.
Now, we've done an episode on bipolar disorder.
It's also called bipolar depression.
We have not yet done one on schizophrenia,
but both bipolar disorder and schizophrenia
have a very, very strong genetic component.
There's a 30, three-zero, 30 times greater likelihood
that you'll have bipolar disorder
if you have a first relative who has bipolar disorder.
And then, it's also the case that using cannabis,
especially during adolescents and the teen years,
and up until age 25,
create a four times greater risk of psychosis
for those that have a predisposition
to bipolar disorder and/or schizophrenia.
Now, I don't hear very much about this in the media.
This paper got some attention and then it got swept away.
I don't think that was an intentional sweeping way.
There's just a lot of events in the world as you well know.
But I think it's a particularly important set of findings,
because obviously, in looking at so many studies,
it distills out the strongest findings that are out there
and really pulls the consistent messages
that are arriving from all these different studies.
And as they point out, and again, I'm paraphrasing here,
this is the first systematic review
of the association of cannabis potency,
and all of the data point to a very clear conclusion,
which is the more potent the THC concentration,
the higher probability of developing psychosis
or a major depressive episode
or a major anxiety disorder later in life.
That should be of particular concern, because we know,
we are absolutely clear about the fact
that with the advent of all these new strains of cannabis,
and with the engineering and availability of cannabis
at much higher potency, meaning THC potency,
the risk of psychosis is going up and up
and is likely to continue going up unless something is done
to reduce the frequency of cannabis use to zero, ideally,
or to very low frequency, very low potency
in adolescence and teens and people age 25 or younger.
I know a lot of people don't want to hear this message,
because first of all, it's alarming,
and second of all, as I mentioned earlier,
the statistics tell us that the greatest number of people
that are starting to use cannabis
are in the age bracket of 16 to 24.
Many of them are functional in other areas of life.
They're students, they are employed, et cetera.
But when you couple that with the fact
that the most frequent adopters of cannabis use
are in this age bracket of 16 to 24,
they're twice as likely to use as other individuals
or to start using cannabis as are other individuals.
Plus, the general perception out there,
because of the way that cannabis is discussed
in the media and by sports figures and by celebrities
and by politicians, et cetera,
that it's not as bad as alcohol and maybe not that bad
and maybe even has health benefits,
then you're essentially setting up a system
where young people are far more likely
to adopt and continue cannabis use
without realizing these serious health consequences
that await them later.
With all of that said, I, of course,
again want to acknowledge that there have been
well-demonstrated effects of cannabis for reducing pain,
in particular in chemotherapy and in the context
of reducing nausea in people suffering
from cancer or chemotherapy.
There is a well-known effect
that one can generally point to as positive,
using cannabis for things like glaucoma,
for lowering intraocular pressure
and offsetting the loss of neurons
that would lead to blindness,
although there are other tools, of course,
that don't involve cannabis use
that can accomplish that as well,
so called intraocular pressure lowering drugs or drops.
There is a list of probably a dozen or more psychological
and bodily ailments that can be aided by cannabis use,
in particular edible cannabis use of particular strains.
I, of course, am going to address each
and every one of those in episodes where I'm talking,
for instance, about eye disease or about chronic pain.
I am in no way, shape or form
trying to rob the incredible efforts of the laboratories
and people that have worked very hard
to study and establish the valid uses of cannabis
for treating various ailments
and that continue to study cannabis in order to try
and ameliorate the symptoms of different ailments.
But today, I really wanted
to emphasize the biology of cannabis,
some of the often discussed effects,
I guess one could call them positive effects,
things like enhanced creativity
and really point to the nuance and actually the divergence
of people who take cannabis and some experience
heightened levels of creativity and some do not.
Some people experience heightened levels of sexual arousal
and some people experience the exact opposite,
and so on and so forth,
rather than focus on all the potential positive
and emerging positive data about cannabis
in different medical contexts.
And at the same time, I strongly feel that it's important
to acknowledge the shocking,
because there's really no other way to describe it,
the shocking effects of cannabis use on the developing fetus
and the fact that so many pregnant
and lactating mothers are using cannabis.
I mean, that number 15% still has me dizzy with disbelief,
and yet we need to acknowledge this
and address this immediately.
And I think it's vital to understand that cannabis use
through any delivery mechanism,
smoking or vaping or edible or otherwise,
is very, very concerning,
in fact, dangerous to the developing brain,
certainly for the fetal brain and for the baby brain,
but also for the adolescent brain
and for the teen and young adult brain,
not just because of the effects
that it can have in the immediate term,
those slow creeping increases in anxiety and depression,
brought on by cannabis use,
but also the time release, if you will,
on the development of psychosis and other types
of major psychiatric disorders later in life.
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