Optimizing Workspace for Productivity, Focus, & Creativity

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- Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast,

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where we discuss science and science-based tools

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for everyday life.

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[upbeat music]

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I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a Professor of Neurobiology

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and Ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine.

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Today, we're going to talk all about how to optimize

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your workspace for maximum productivity.

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Indeed, that means to heighten levels of focus,

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to increase levels of creativity,

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to improve your ability to task switch.

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And this could be for sake of school or for work,

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creative endeavors, personal endeavors,

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this really extends to everybody.

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Most often when we hear about how to focus

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or how to get the most out of our work sessions,

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we hear about the biology and the psychology of that.

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We hear about dopamine and we hear about serotonin

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and we hear about caffeine.

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And indeed, those are topics that I've covered a lot

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on The Huberman Lab Podcast.

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Today, we will touch on each of those,

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but we are mainly going to focus on how we arrange

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our physical environment and indeed how we arrange ourselves

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in that physical environment,

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in order to bring out the best in our neurobiology.

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That is how to put ourselves

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into a heightened state of focus by virtue of things,

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as simple as where we place our screen, relative to our eyes

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at a given time of day.

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Believe it or not, there's excellent research on this,

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and there's excellent research for instance,

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on whether or not you should or should not listen to music,

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whether or not you should use things like binaural beats,

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and if so, what frequency of binaural beats.

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We are going to cover all of that, and by the end,

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you'll have a checklist of things that you can do

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to optimize your workspace on any budget.

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I will mention various products and apps

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that some of you might find useful

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for optimizing your workspace.

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But I want to emphasize at the outset that none of those

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that I mentioned are any products or apps

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that we have a financial relationship to.

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And more importantly, you don't need them.

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I'm going to explain how for zero cost,

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you can arrange your workspace in ways

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that makes you maximally productive, maximally focus

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and allows you to adapt your workspace

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to different environments, whether or not you're traveling,

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working with others, working alone, et cetera.

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Just to give you a little hint of where we are going,

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I will mention a zero cost app that will deliver

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binaural beats at a particular frequency

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that peer-reviewed research has shown can enhance

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certain types of learning and memory.

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However, peer-reviewed research also shows

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that it can diminish performance in other types of tasks.

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So stay tuned, we'll go into all the details

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so that you can optimize your workspace for zero cost

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and get the most out of your efforts and endeavors.

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Before we begin, I'd like to emphasize that this podcast

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is separate from my teaching and research roles at Stanford.

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It is however, part of my desire and effort

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to bring zero cost to consumer information about science

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and science related tools to the general public.

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In keeping with that theme,

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Let's talk about workspace optimization.

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This is a topic that's intrigued me for a very long time

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because my undergraduate advisor, my graduate advisor

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and my postdoc advisor had many things in common,

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including being great scientists, being kind people

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and terrific mentors, but they had another thing in common,

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which always perplexed me, which is that their offices

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were a complete disaster.

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They had mountains of books, mountains of papers,

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mountains of all sorts of stuff.

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And yet all of them were extremely productive

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and could remain extremely focused

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in that incredibly cluttered environment.

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Now I'm somebody who doesn't like clutter,

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I find it very hard to focus in cluttered environments.

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And indeed there's tremendous variation among people

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as to whether or not they can remain focused

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or whether or not they struggle to focus

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in physically cluttered environments.

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There's no right or wrong to this,

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but the question we should ask ourselves

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is why were they all able to be so focused?

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And it turns out that the reason they were able

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to be so focused is that they all captured one single

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and yet fundamental variable of workspace optimization.

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And we'll talk about what that variable is.

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In fact, where you're to talk about what all the variables

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of optimizing a workspace are things like vision,

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things like light, things like noise in the room,

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whether or not you listen to music or not,

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whether or not you use noise canceling headphones or not.

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We're going to talk about all of that

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and we're going to do that in a way

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that you can optimize your workspace,

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regardless of whether or not you are at home,

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whether or not you're on the road, et cetera.

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Because the last thing I would ever want to do

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is to create a situation where you find

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the optimal workspace, and then you are a slave

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to that optimal workspace.

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That's just not the way the world works.

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What you want to do or my goal for you rather,

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is that you will have a short checklist of things

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that you can look to, anytime you sit down to do work,

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and you can think about the underlying variables

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that impact your brain and your body

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and allow your brain and body to get into the optimal state

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in order to learn, in order to be productive

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and indeed to move through your work bouts in a very relaxed

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and pleasureful way while maintaining focus

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and while pursuing any of the number of things

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that you're doing.

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The first variable we want to think about

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in terms of workspace optimization is vision and light.

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On a previous episode of The Huberman Lab Podcast,

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devoted all to habits, I talked about the importance

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of dividing your 24 hour day into three different phases.

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And for those of you that haven't heard that episode,

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I'm just going to briefly summarize what I described.

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From the time you wake up in the morning until about six

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or seven or eight, sometimes nine hours later,

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your brain is in a unique state.

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It is in a state of high levels of dopamine,

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a neuromodulator, and high levels of epinephrin,

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as well as hormones like cortisol and so forth.

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Without going into the biology of those things,

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they set your brain into a state of high alertness.

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And this is true, whether or not

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you indulge in caffeine or not.

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I know some of you say, oh,

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I really don't wake up until the afternoon,

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I'm much more alert and focused in the afternoon.

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We will talk about that phase

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of the 24 hour day in a moment.

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But that early part of the day is a time of day

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in which for sake of workspace optimization,

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being in a brightly lit environment can lend itself

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to optimal work throughout the day,

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not just during that early phase.

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And so while on many episodes of this podcast,

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I've also emphasized the importance of getting

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morning sunlight in your eyes

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within 30 to 60 minutes of waking,

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not as often, but now, and again, I will also mention

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that it's important to light your daytime environment

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as brightly as you safely can.

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So if you are going to be doing work in this early,

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what I call phase one portion of your day,

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you want to have as much light and indeed

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as much overhead light shining on you as safely possible.

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And of course you don't want it so bright that it's glaring

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and you have to squint, et cetera,

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but you want as much light as is safely possible.

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And you can do that a couple of simple ways.

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One is if do own or you're in an environment,

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we have overhead lights, turn on those overhead lights.

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What's special about overhead lights for setting alertness

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is that the neurons in our eyes, which are called

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melanopsin ganglion cells, that's the fancy name.

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Melanopsin ganglion cells are mainly enriched

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in the lower half of our retinas in our eyes

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and view the upper visual field.

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Those neurons send little wires to an area

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of our hypothalamus, right above the roof of our mouth,

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that creates a state of alertness.

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Now, early in the day, we want to be as alert as possible.

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And this phase one of our circadian cycle

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is when we are best at doing analytic detailed type work.

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So we're going to go into other aspects

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of workspace optimization that are important for phase one,

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but during phase one, again, within zero to about eight

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or nine hours after waking, bright lights

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in your environment, in particular overhead lights,

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are going to facilitate focus, they're going to facilitate

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further release of things like dopamine and norepinephrine

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and healthy amounts of cortisol.

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And we want that to happen early in the day

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for a variety of reasons.

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For instance, we don't want that cortisol peak

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to happen too late in the day.

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That's actually associated with depression and insomnia

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and a number of things that we just don't want.

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So one of the things that I've done for my workspace

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is to make sure that when I wake up in the morning,

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I do go get my sunlight.

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If the sun isn't out, I turn on

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as many bright artificial lights as I can manage

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or tolerate, and then I go get my sunlight exposure.

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But once I set out to do some work

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that all the overhead lights in that room are on,

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as well as lights in front of me.

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And that's again to stimulate heightened levels of focus

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and further release of these neuromodulators

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that I mentioned before, dopamine,

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norepinephrine and epinephrine.

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Now the way that one could do that

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could be a very low cost way of having, for instance,

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a desk lamp and those overhead lights.

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If you're somebody that wants to take this

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to the next level, you can purchase a ring light, which is,

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I think those are mainly made for people

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doing selfie type videos, for Instagram posts

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and things of that sort.

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Ring lights can be pretty cost-effective,

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and yet they're very bright and they have the sort of bright

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blue light that is going to optimally stimulate

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those melanopsin ganglion cells.

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So some people I know will have a blue light

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or a bright LED on their desk in front of them.

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And indeed I have one of these, I don't use a ring light,

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I use a light pad.

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The particular light pad I use, I bought on Amazon.

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I can mention the brand, but again,

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I have no financial affiliation to them,

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this is the Artograph Lightpad is designed for drawing.

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And it says on it 930 lux,

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Lux is just a measure of brightness.

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So I place that on the desk in front of me and I turn it on

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essentially throughout this phase one of the day.

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Even if I walk away from the desk, I tend to keep it on,

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it doesn't consume that much energy.

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And in that way, I'm constantly being bombarded with photons

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that keep my levels of alertness up

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because the early part of the day

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is when I do the majority of that focused work.

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Again, you don't need the light pad,

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you can use a ring light, or you can simply use

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any kind of other lights

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that you might happen to have artificial lights.

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For those of you that can place your desk near a window,

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and even better to open the window,

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that would be really fantastic.

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I don't have access to that.

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Why would I say open the window?

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Well, it turns out that sunlight

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is going to be the best stimulus for waking up your brain

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and body through this melanopsin hypothalamus system.

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And by looking at sunlight through a window,

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it's 50 times less effective than if that window

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were to be open, mostly because those windows filter out

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a lot of the wavelengths of blue light

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that are essential for stimulating the eyes

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and this wake-up signal.

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So all of this has rests on the premise

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that we need to be alert in order to do our work,

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in particular focused work.

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And I've talked about before in the Habits episode,

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and I'm saying again now, that first phase of the day,

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that first seven or eight or nine hours of the day

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is really the time in which our neurochemistry

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is primed for getting the most amount

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of focused kind of challenging work done

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where a lot of precision and detail is required.

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So you want to brightly light your work environment

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during that first phase, again, from the time you wake up,

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try and get sunlight, but then even if you're going

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to get exercise or do other things,

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you want to get as much bright light in your eyes

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as you safely can

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and then you want to light your work environment.

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Now in the afternoon, starting at about nine

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and continuing until about 16 hours after waking,

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you want to start dimming the lights in that environment.

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Now you don't want to make it dark

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because you don't want to get sleepy

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at two o'clock in the afternoon,

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unless you're going to take a brief nap,

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which I do and is perfectly fine,

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as long as it doesn't interfere with your nighttime sleep.

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But the idea is that in this so-called phase two

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of the 24 hour cycle from about nine to 16 hours

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after waking, you want to bring

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the level of lights down a bit.

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And when I say down, I literally mean down.

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Having lights that are in front of you is fine,

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but overhead lights at that time are not going to be optimal

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for the sorts of neurochemical states

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that your brain wants to be in.

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The states that I'm referring to are a shift

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from the dopamine and norepinephrine

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that's highest early in the day to increases

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in things like serotonin and other neuromodulators

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that put your brain into a state that's better

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for creative endeavors or for more abstract thinking.

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Now, as we'll soon see, there are other things you can do

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to improve creative thinking and abstract thinking.

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And in fact, there are things you can do

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to improve analytic thing, and we will talk about those,

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things that are distinct from light,

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but right now we're just focusing on light.

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So what I recommend doing, and what I personally do

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is I will turn off overhead lights in the afternoon.

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It's not completely dim, it's not completely dark,

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but I will start to reduce the amount of overhead light

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and just simply keep the light pad on

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and whatever other lamps I happen to be using.

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Now, one thing we haven't talked about is screen brightness.

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This is highly individual,

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people have different retinal sensitivities.

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What I mean by that is everybody differs

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in terms of how bright they can tolerate

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their visual environment and their screen.

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And whether or not you are sensitive to light or not,

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will depend on a lot of factors.

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Some of it is eye color,

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indeed people with darker color eyes

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generally can tolerate more bright light than others.

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I have green eyes, I am very, very sensitive to light.

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If I'm outdoors at a cafe or something,

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and the table has any kind of reflective properties

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and it's a sunny day, I can barely see the person

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across the table from me, unless I'm wearing sunglasses.

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Some people, other members of my family for instance,

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have dark brown eyes and can just sit there

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and have a conversation without the need

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for sunglasses at all.

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So that's, there's tremendous variation there,

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one or the other isn't healthy or advantageous necessarily,

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just understand that you never want to be in an environment

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where it's painful to maintain looking at whatever it is

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that you're looking at.

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If something's painful to look at,

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it could be damaging to your eyes,

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so you do want to protect your eyes.

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Now, in this second phase of the day,

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since most of us are working indoors,

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but even if you're working outdoors,

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you want to try and get the amount of light reduced overall,

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but in particular, that overhead light,

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and you also want to start reducing

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the amount of blue light that you're being exposed to.

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So somewhere around four or 5:00 pm,

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which for me is about 12 hours after I've been awake

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or 14 hours after I've been awake,

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I will turn off that light pad and start to transition

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the lights in my environment to more yellows and reds.

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Now, I can't always do this, I have friends that actually

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have converted their entire homes from blue light

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early in the day to red light late in the day,

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that's really cool and fantastic, I haven't done that.

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There's a cost to doing that and it is optimal

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in terms of optimizing productivity and sleep and so forth,

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but it's not feasible for a lot of people.

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But what I do is I simply switch to using yellow lamps.

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I will turn off that LED in the later afternoon,

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again, around four or 5:00 pm, and I tend to wake up

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around 6:00 am or so, I'll turn those off.

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And what I'll try and do also is I'll try and dim the screen

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that I'm working on so that I can still manage

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to see everything that I need to see,

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but it's quite a bit dimmer than it was early in the day.

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So that's phase two of the day,

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and that's how we want to think about light.

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And then I'll just mention, because I know there are people

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who are working in the middle of the night,

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there's phase three,

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which is about 17 to 24 hours after waking.

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And I realize that for shift workers or for people

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that are pulling all nighters or for students,

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oftentimes you need to be awake and studying

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in the middle of the night.

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I, myself am somebody who for years would pull anywhere

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from five to 10 all-nighters per year.

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I still pull an all nighter now, and again,

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because of deadlines and so forth.

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I don't recommend it, if you can avoid it, great,

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but many people just simply have to do this

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for sake of shift work or because of impending deadlines

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or procrastination or all of the above.

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If you are going to be doing work in that third phase

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of your circadian cycle, you really want to limit

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the amount of bright light that you're getting in your eyes

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to just the amount that allows you to do the work

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that you're doing.

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Because if you get light in your eyes,

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that's any brighter than that,

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you're going to severely deplete your melatonin levels.

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You're going to severely shift your circadian clock

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and it's effectively like traveling to another time zone.

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So if you stay up from 3:00 am until 6:00 am

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or 2:00 am until 4:00 am working on a term paper

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or something of that sort,

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and you're getting bright light in your eyes,

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you are effectively flying six hours

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to a different time zone,

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or at least that's what your body registers it as.

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And it can really throw your sleep and your metabolism

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and a number of other things out of whack.

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Now there's an exception to this,

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which is if you really want to be awake,

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it can often be beneficial to flipping on all the lights

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in the room and keeping them really bright.

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One of the hardest things to do is to stay up all night

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studying when you're in a dim environment.

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So you have to determine the trade off

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between whether or not you want to shift your clock

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or whether or not you want to get the work done.

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And I would say the ideal situation is to sleep at night

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and to do your work during the day and in the afternoon,

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but if you do have to be awake in the middle of the night,

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do understand that you want to dim those lights overall.

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You would not want to use that LED,

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you would not want to have overhead lights on,

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unless you're really struggling to stay awake,

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in which case you want to get

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as many bright lights on as possible.

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So there are a couple of tricks to all-nighters,

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I don't really want people pulling all-nighters

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unless they have to, but there are a few things

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that you can do without taking stimulants

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in order to stay up all night, that can be beneficial

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that maximize on your biology.

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One of them that's a little less commonly known

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is you can drink 32 ounces of water and commit

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to not going to the bathroom for 90 minutes, at least.

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It turns out that there is a circuit

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that goes from your bladder, literally neurons

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that go from your bladder to your brainstem

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and when you have to urinate, it makes you very alert.

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And as many of you have probably experienced,

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this is actually what wakes us up

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in the middle of the night when we have to use the bathroom

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is this circuit for alertness that goes from full bladder,

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it's signaled by the bladder being full to the brainstem.

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And this is the circuit that is disrupted

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in kids that have bedwetting issues.

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And there are a number of cognitive behavioral approaches

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to that, sometimes bedwetting in very young kids

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is because the circuit hasn't developed yet.

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Most adults fortunately are not bedwetting,

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but you can increase the amount of alertness in your system

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and remain awake in the middle of the night,

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by drinking a little bit more water than you normally would

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and then refraining from going to the restroom,

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that certainly will lend itself to alertness.

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You know how difficult it is to fall asleep

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when you have to use the restroom for instance.

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So that's one tool.

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The other thing is again, to flip on as many bright lights

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in the environment as possible.

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And then of course, people will rely on stimulants

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like caffeine or even more aggressive stimulants.

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That's not something I necessarily recommend,

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you'll each have to determine that for you.

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But if you do in fact, have to use all-nighters

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for any reason, you can maximize

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this bladder to brain approach and the right light approach.

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So that more or less covers how bright to keep

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your overall environment and how bright to keep your screen.

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If you really want to get nerdy about this,

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there is a free app called Light Meter where you can start

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measuring how many lux, how many photons

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are in a given environment.

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It's actually measuring reflectance of photons and so on,

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if you can look up what a Lux Meter does, if you like,

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I don't necessarily recommend doing that.

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I don't want to set a critical threshold by which,

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for instance, we say, once your environment

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is more than 1,500 lux, then it's too bright

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or not bright enough, et cetera.

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Everyone has different retinal sensitivities,

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everyone will find that different levels of brightness

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will cause them to be alert, different levels of dimness,

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if you will, in the room will cause them to feel sleepy.

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You really want to just modulate across the 24 hour cycle

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where it's very bright, as bright as safely can be

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early in the day so that you are alert.

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You can do your focus detailed work in that first phase,

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and then in the afternoon, as you move

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into more creative type works or abstract thinking,

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or working with other people in kind of a brainstorming mode

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that you would shift to dimmer lights, yellow lights,

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eliminate the blue lights as much as possible.

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Now that's light, but there's another aspect of vision

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that has been shown to be critically important

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for how alert we are going to be

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and how well we can maintain that alertness.

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And that has to do with where our visual focus is

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in a given environment.

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So I'm not talking about overall brightness,

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what I'm referring to now is simply

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where you place your phone or your tablet

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or computer screen or book,

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whatever it is that you happen to be looking at.

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There's a very underappreciated and yet incredible aspect

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of our neurology that has to do with the relationship

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between where we look and our level of alertness.

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And it works in a very logical way,

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we have clusters of neurons in our brain stem

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and those clusters of neurons control our eyelid muscles

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and they control our eye movements up and down

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into the sides.

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And indeed, if you were to look at an eyeball,

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I looked at a lot of eyeballs in my lab

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and I teach neural anatomy, so we do this from time to time,

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we would see that there are six muscles

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attached to your eyeball.

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Now four of them are located at the top, the bottom

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and the two sides of your eyeball,

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sort of at the 12 o'clock, six o'clock, three o'clock

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and nine o'clock of your eyeball.

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And those muscles can move your eye in the socket

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from side to side and up and down.

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And then we also have some muscles

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that can actually pull the eyeballs at angles.

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So we have different muscles that can move the eyes

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at different angles as well, and that's why we can look

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up into the side or down into the side,

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not just from side to side or up or down.

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Now, the neurons that control those muscles

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have a very interesting feature,

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which is that when we are looking down toward the ground

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or anywhere below, basically the central region of our face,

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the neurons that control that eye movement

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are intimately related to areas of the brainstem

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that release certain types of neuromodulators

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and neurotransmitters.

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And they activate areas of the brain that are associated

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with calm and indeed, even with sleepiness

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and there's an active inhibition or prevention

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of neurons that increase alertness.

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Now the opposite is also true, we have neurons

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that place our eyes into an upward gaze

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above the sort of level of our nose

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and up above our forehead.

Time: 1591.97

Literally looking up while keeping the head stationary,

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or if you tilt your head back and you look up,

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these neurons are still active.

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Those neurons don't just control the position of the eyes

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and cause them to move up, they also trigger the activation

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of brain circuits that are associated with alertness.

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Now, this is a fundamental feature of the way that our eyes

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and brain are wired together and how they relate

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to what we call autonomic arousal.

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And there are a bunch of details there.

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We will actually have a guest in a few weeks who has learned

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to exploit these neurons and the fact that they control

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these different states of calm or alertness

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in order to generate hypnotic states, to place people

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into very atypical states in which they are both

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very alert and very calm.

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We'll save that for a future episode.

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But the important thing to understand

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is when you are looking down below the level of your nose,

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you are essentially decelerating your alertness.

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You're reducing your amount of alertness,

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it might be subtle, but it's happening.

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Whereas when you look straight ahead or in particular,

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when you look up, you're increasing your level of alertness.

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Now this has some obvious implications.

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When we get sleepy, our eyelids tend to close

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and we tend to nod down, when we're wide awake,

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we tend to be wide-eyed, we don't tend to blink as often.

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And we tend to be chin up and kind of on vigilance

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and alertness.

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So this has a evolutionary,

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or at least an adaptive component to it.

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This can be exploited, and indeed it's been researched

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in terms of how it can be used

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to optimize work environments.

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Contrary to what most people do,

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which is to look down at their laptop, tablet, or phone,

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if you want to be alert and you want to maintain

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the maximum amount of focus for whatever it is

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that you're reading or doing, you want that screen

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or whatever it is that you're looking at

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to at least be at eye level and ideally slightly above it.

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Now, I haven't seen many workspaces that take advantage

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of this very hardwired neuro-biological fact.

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So what should you do with this information?

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Well, if you're somebody who sits down to do work

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and starts to feel sleepy, or simply unfocused,

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unable to attend to whatever it is that you're doing,

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I highly recommend that you take your laptop or tablet.

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I do hope that most people aren't doing serious work

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on their phones because it's such a small visual window,

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and we can talk about why that's an issue later.

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And the idea would be to place that screen of your tablet

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or your laptop or other computer,

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and try and get it elevated at least to nose level,

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your nose level, or even higher.

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Now I realize that can be complicated to do,

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I've long, just used a stack of books,

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or I'll sometimes take a box and turn upside down

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and set it there.

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I do use a mixed standing-seated desk,

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I'll talk about that in a few minutes.

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There are a number of different ways that you could do this,

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you could wall mount a monitor.

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I think many people are working with laptops,

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it's a little bit harder to do that with a laptop,

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some people though will configure a second screen.

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You have to decide what's right for you in your budget.

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But again, in addition to having a brightly lit room,

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to be able to focus and attend to whatever it is

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you're working on, you want to have that screen

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positioned high in your visual environment.

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Now you wouldn't want it on the ceiling necessarily,

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I know that would be pretty cool,

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but you do want it above you.

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Now, there are a couple solutions to this that don't involve

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a wall mount or stacking books or boxes.

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For instance, you could be one of those people

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that likes to lie in bed or on the sofa

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and get your screen up above you

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by putting pillows on your knees.

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I used to actually do a lot of my writing and work

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in the middle of the night, I don't do this anymore

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and I don't recommend it, but I used to do

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a lot of work from bed.

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Now I no longer bring electronics for work into the bedroom.

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I just really try and keep the bedroom for sleeping

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or whatever else.

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But in terms of lying down on the couch,

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it is somewhat easier to get that screen up above you,

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you can kind of slide underneath that screen and get typing,

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but there's a problem with that.

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And we'll talk about this a little bit more in a moment,

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but it turns out that your posture,

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literally the position of your body relative to gravity,

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also has important implications for how alert you are.

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So ideally you would be standing or seated.

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I would say the ideal would be standing,

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second best will be seated and your screen will be

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either directly in front of you or slightly above you.

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Or if you wanted to get really fancy,

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you could create a situation where it was above you

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and slightly tilted toward you so that you actually

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had to maintain kind of proper neck posture.

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This accomplishes a number of things.

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In addition to making you more alert,

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you also get away from the so-called text neck.

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You know, people are starting to look more

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like C's nowadays, the shape of the letter C

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because we're constantly looking down.

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I do every once in a while, see somebody who's texting

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in public with it at eye level, it always looks a little odd

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that they're doing that, but I always admire their posture

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at the same time, so we shouldn't give them a hard time.

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So this is another feature that you can arrange

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into your physical workspace.

Time: 1878.78

Again, whether or not you're seated or you're standing

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throughout the day, try and get that screen elevated.

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Now with reference to posture, there are beautiful data

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illustrating that when we are standing up,

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those same neurons in our brainstem,

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locus coeruleus neurons, which release I should mention

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things like norepinephrin and epinephrin,

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those neurons become active when we are standing.

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They become even more active when we are ambulatory,

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when we are moving and we will talk about treadmilling

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and cycling at your desk and so forth in a little bit.

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But when you sit, they become a little less active

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and when you lie down and indeed, any time that you start

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to get your feet up above your waist

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or your head tilted back, those neurons fire less

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and neurons in your brain that are involved in calming,

Time: 1923.55

and indeed putting you to sleep,

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start increasing their level of firing.

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It's a really beautiful system.

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So beautiful, in fact, that there are studies

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that show that as you adjust the angle of the body back,

Time: 1934.59

you actually get a sort of dose-dependent increase

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in sleepiness and calmness

Time: 1939.45

and a dose-dependent decrease in alertness.

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And so, as we were all told to sit up straight

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or even better, just stand up straight,

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and now I'm also telling you to get that visual thing

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that you're attending to, screen or otherwise,

Time: 1952.79

up in front of you, or ideally above you,

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those things combine to generate maximum alertness.

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So you can think about how you might work this

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into various aspects of your homework environment

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or office work environment.

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But as I describe this, many of you are probably thinking

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what I'm thinking, which is, gosh, most of what we do

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is in complete opposite direction

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to all of this neurobiologically grounded advice.

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Most of us are looking down at our laptop while seated,

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or we are lying down, which is going to make us more sleepy,

Time: 1981.14

or we are positioning our computers in front of us,

Time: 1984.23

but we really aren't an environment that's bright enough

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and so on and so forth.

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So as you can tell, we're starting to layer in

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the various things that you can do,

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first brightness in the room, second, get that screen up

Time: 1994.62

and try and put yourself into a posture for work

Time: 1998.03

that lends itself or promotes alertness

Time: 2001.77

if indeed, you want to be alert for that work.

Time: 2003.32

If your goal is to take a nap, get your feet elevated

Time: 2005.69

about 10 to 15 degrees above your head,

Time: 2007.65

maybe put a pillow underneath it, lie down and take a nap,

Time: 2009.69

but that's not what we're talking about today,

Time: 2010.93

we're talking about workspace optimization.

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And I suppose you could also exploit that all-nighter trick

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that I talked about earlier, I actually did this,

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when I was an undergraduate,

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I was a little bit masochistic in this way.

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I would drink coffee and water at fairly high volume.

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I wasn't forced drinking or anything like that,

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but I actually wouldn't allow myself to get up

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and use the bathroom except on a timer.

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So I think the longest ever went was three and a half hours.

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It was kind of excruciating, I actually don't think

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that's necessarily a healthy advice, but again,

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you can use slight, I mentioned slight over consumption

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of fluids in order to generate alertness.

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That was just me really trying to get as much work done

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as I could, I had a very, very demanding class schedule

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and it was just the only way that I could get work done.

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If I was getting up every few minutes, use the restroom,

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I found it hard to re-engage in that work

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and maintain focus,

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which is what I just want to briefly mention now.

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I talked about this in the episode on focus,

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but one thing that is completely unreasonable

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and that you should never ask yourself to do

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is to sit down or stand up and immediately focus

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on something, unless you're stressed

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about what you're looking at,

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or you're very, very excited by it.

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If you're very stressed about some sort of information

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or a deadline, or you're very, very excited about something,

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you'll find that you can focus instantly

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just within a moment.

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And that's because of the deployment of neurochemicals

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like dopamine and norepinephrine

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that bring about our levels of alertness.

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However, most of us, including myself,

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will go to begin to work out and we'll find that our mind

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doesn't quite engage at the level of depth and focus

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that we would like right off the bat.

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I've timed this and other studies have timed this

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in a more rigorous way, mine is just what we call anecdata,

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but so I've timed it for myself,

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but there are studies that have looked at this.

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And the data point to the fact

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that even at our most heightened levels of focus,

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most people can only maintain focus before switching tasks

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for about three minutes,

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which is depressingly short period of time.

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However, you can extend that period of time,

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and I've talked about that in the episode on focus,

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but more importantly, when you sit down to start a work about

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of any kind, any kind expect that it would take

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about six minutes for you to engage these neural circuits,

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you wouldn't expect yourself to walk into the gym

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and do a PR lift or start running and do your best sprint,

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or just head out the door without warming up at all.

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A little walk jog at first, or a few warm up sets,

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I mean, we expect that, we are not surprised

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that we need that.

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And yet we sort of expect that our brain should be able

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to lock on and do work in a very focused way immediately.

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And that's just a ridiculous assumption,

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it's an unfair assumption, I should say.

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So assume that it will take about six minutes to engage

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in your work about and that those neurochemical systems

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will take some time to rev up and engage.

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The other things that I'm describing about lighting

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and screen positioning and posture,

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those will also help maximize your focus

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and will limit that ramp up time into a focus state.

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And I think what you'll find is that as you maximize

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your workspace, the time the latency,

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as we say to get into that focus will start to shorten.

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It will especially start to shorten if you use tools

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to limit distraction, we will talk about distraction,

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but things like Freedom, which is an app,

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a free app that allows you to lock yourself

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out of the internet or turning off your phone for instance.

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But even if you're doing work on your phone or that involves

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your phone or the internet, as many of us

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including myself do, expect there to be a ramp up time

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for you to focus.

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There's another aspect of our vision

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that's absolutely critical for optimizing our workspace.

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And that has to do with this really interesting feature

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of our visual pathways in that it has two major channels.

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Those two major channels have names,

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although you don't have to remember the names.

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The first one is the so-called parvocellular channel,

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which is involved in looking at things at specific points

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in space and at high resolution or detail.

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And then there's the so-called magnocellular channel,

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that's involved in looking at big swaths of visual space

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and at lower resolution.

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So you can think of the parvocellular system

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as kind of a high pixel density,

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think about your most modern smartphone,

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the recent smartphone with the best, best camera.

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And think about the magnocellular system

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as being lower resolution, kind of an older smartphone,

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lower pixels, et cetera.

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You might ask, why would you want a system

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that's low resolution.

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Well, the low resolution system is better at things

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like detecting motion and not so much at detail

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and vice versa.

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Now, again, you don't have to remember the names,

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what you do have to remember, however,

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is that you're going to create the maximum amount

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of alertness in your system.

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The maximum amount of ability to focus when your system

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is in that parvocellular mode,

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when you're bringing your eyes to a common point,

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what we call a vergence eye movement, V-E-R-G-E-N-C-E.

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I've said this before on the podcast, and people said,

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virgin eye movement, no, vergence eye movement.

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As in convergence, bringing your eyes

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to a single point in space, will create a narrower aperture

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of a visual window, meaning your visual world

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actually shrinks at least perceptually.

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Whereas when you relax your eyes and dilate your gaze,

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you can do this now by whatever environment you're in,

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trying and see without moving your head off to the side,

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above, below you, as broadly as possible,

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maybe can dilate your gaze so much that you can see

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yourself, your body in that visual environment.

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You'll notice that your resolution of vision

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isn't nearly as high as when you do

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that vergence eye movement.

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Vergence eye movements are incredibly powerful

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for creating heightened states of alertness and focus.

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And indeed they create heightened states of cognition,

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of thinking, and that's because your brain

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follows your vision in terms of focus.

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When we say I can't focus, what we often are experiencing

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is an ability, and inability, excuse me,

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to not focus visually.

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Whereas when we are in a very focused state,

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we are in a state often where we can focus visually.

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Now we can also do this with our auditory system

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or to touch et cetera, but right now we're just talking

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about the visual system.

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Now, in terms of workspace optimization,

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what this means is we never really want to be looking

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at a square or rectangle or target area for our work

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that is too far beyond our ears.

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How far is too far?

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Really, you want to try and keep the blinders on,

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or I should say the invisible blinders

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so that whatever you're looking at falls

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within the region of visual space in front of you,

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that is present if you were to cup your hands

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and put them right next to your eyes.

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Now this is a rough estimation, but I'm doing this now,

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for those of you that are watching on YouTube,

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I'm doing this now, I'm trying to simulate like a horse

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with blinders on, for those of you who are listening,

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just imagine me looking silly with my hands

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cupped near my eyes.

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But if we are to, for instance, look at a screen

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that's very, very big and we're too close to it,

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or even if we're standing back from it,

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it's going to be hard for us to attend to everything

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within that screen space.

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So this is actually support for the idea of using a phone

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or a tablet or a laptop.

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My laptop is about 15 inches in diameter,

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I think is the one that I have, some are 13, some are 17.

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Some of you like to use big monitors,

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make sure that whatever it is that you're looking at,

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if you want to remain focused, it doesn't extend too far

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beyond where your eyes are, the size of your head that is,

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so just think blinders on a horse.

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And actually that's the reason they put blinders on a horse

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so that they're not looking off into the periphery.

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Horses, unlike humans don't have the same shaped pupil,

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they don't have a visual system

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that's organized in quite the same way,

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they mostly see in Panorama, in magnocellular vision.

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And so those blinders are designed

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to keep their visual focus straight ahead,

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so they physically restrict it.

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Now, some people will actually go to lengths

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to further restrict their visual focus.

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They will do things like putting on a hoodie

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or wearing a hat for instance,

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to restrict their visual window.

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And indeed that works quite well,

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but as we'll talk about in a moment

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when you really restrict your visual window,

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down to a very, very narrow portion of visual space,

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that actually changes the types of information

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that you are best at processing.

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And we'll talk about that in terms of something

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that's called the cathedral effect in a few moments,

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but for now here's the principle,

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make sure that whatever you're looking at

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is directly in front of you and doesn't extend

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too far out to the side.

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Once you get out to say six or 12 or certainly 18 inches

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on side of your eyes, you are dilating your gaze

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by definition, you're dilating your gaze,

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it's completely subconscious, and it becomes very hard

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to maintain attention.

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Now, the caveat to this is that if you are going to look

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at a narrow space, a narrow window for any period of time,

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whether or not it's a book or a laptop

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or a tablet or a phone, those vergence eye movements

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not only create alertness, but they also require energy.

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And they also can fatigue the eyes because there's a process

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called accommodation whereby the shape of your eye

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literally has to change so that the lens can move

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so that you can focus at that location.

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Accommodation's an incredible process,

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but it is as demanding one, and that's the reason

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that your eyes get tired when you focus on something

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for too long.

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So here's a principle extracted from the ophthalmology

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and neuroscience literature that you can adopt.

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For every 45 minutes in which you are focusing on something

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like a phone or a tablet or a book page or your computer,

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you want to get into magnocellular panoramic vision

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for at least five minutes.

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And the way that I suggest to do this is actually

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to take a walk, ideally outside.

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We're going to talk about ambulation, about movement

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and about how that can maintain alertness

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throughout the day.

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So for every 45 minutes or so, try and get five minutes

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of relaxing your eyes.

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This is something that's not often done,

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especially in today's homeschooling

Time: 2572.17

and where kids are going to school by Zoom

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and adults are working by Zoom, this is a serious problem.

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People are getting eye fatigue, they're getting headaches.

Time: 2581.2

Indeed, some people are getting migraines,

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they're having all sorts of issues, neck pain.

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Much of that, if not all of that, in some cases

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can be alleviated by this 45 to five rule.

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For every 45 minutes of focused work that you do,

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get five minutes where you get outside,

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or if you have to be indoors where you can dilate your gaze.

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Now some of you may be saying,

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well, that spits in the face of your 90 minute rule.

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You've told us before that we should focus for 90 minutes.

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I would still want you to take breaks

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within those 90 minutes, if you're looking at a narrow piece

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of visual world, meaning at a phone or a laptop or so forth,

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and again, the best way to do this would be to go outside,

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just relax your eyes, look off into the distance.

Time: 2620.73

Looking at a horizon will automatically trigger

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this panoramic gaze, which is very relaxing to the eyes

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and will allow you to go back into a focused work about.

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The one thing you absolutely do not want to do

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is to go outside and check your phone,

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because if you're outside checking your phone

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or you're taking a break and checking your phone,

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you're still in that vergence eye movement.

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So this is very, very important

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because vergence eye movements increase focus and attention,

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and you can exploit that to increase focus

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and attention when you want to, but you absolutely need

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to relax the system, again for every 45 minutes

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in which you've been in that focused mode,

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you want to get at least five minutes of panoramic vision.

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If you can take a 15 minute walk, even better.

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Next, I'd like to talk about an aspect

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of workspace optimization that can actually bias

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whether or not our brain and nervous system

Time: 2669.9

are better suited for detailed analytic work

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or more abstract work.

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In fact, there's a way that you can arrange

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your work environment, or I should say there's a way

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that you can place yourself into certain environments

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that will allow abstract thinking, creative thinking,

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and indeed expansive thinking to emerge.

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There are other environments that you can put yourself in

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that will make your brain shift towards more analytic work,

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toward more detailed and precise types of work.

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Now, I just briefly want to mention something that was covered

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again on the Habits episode that I did a few weeks ago,

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but again, you don't need to see that episode

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in order to digest this information.

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It goes back to this issue of three phases

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within the circadian 24 hour cycle.

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Phase one, which as I mentioned is about zero to eight hours

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after waking, phase two, nine to 16 hours after waking,

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and phase three 17 to 24 hours after waking.

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Phase one, being ideal for analytic precise,

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detailed types of work, phase two, better suited

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for most people for creative, kind of abstract thinking,

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expansive thinking, brainstorming, et cetera.

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There are some exceptions to that, but most people follow

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that pattern because of the different neuromodulators

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and hormones and so forth that are released

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into the brain and body at those different phases.

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What I'm about to tell you is a way in which you can use

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your physical environment to further shift your brain

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and nervous system into a mode that's either prime

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for analytic or abstract and creative thinking.

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What I'm about to describe is called the cathedral effect.

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The cathedral effect has been discussed well really,

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for many, many decades, maybe even hundreds of years,

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but formally has been discussed since the early 2000s

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in which it seemed that people who were

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in high ceilinged environments, hence the phrase cathedral,

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would shift their thinking and their ideas to more abstract

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and creative lofty type thinking.

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So literally higher ceiling, loftier thinking,

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higher aspirations that this was observed

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in terms of the language that they use,

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but also the sorts of ideas that they would generate.

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And conversely, that people that were

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in lower ceilinged environments would be more oriented

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toward using a language that was more restricted,

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literally more detailed, analytic about things

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in their immediate space.

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Now this seems kind of wild on the one hand,

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but actually if we go back to our understanding

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of the neurobiology of the visual system

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and the way that our brain and body is evolved

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in different environments, it actually makes a lot of sense.

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We don't have time to go into a long lecture

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about evolutionary neurobiology, but we have to remember

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that our nervous system has a number of features

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that are adapted to different environments.

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And indeed, we are able to go from big open prairies

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or mountaintops or large cathedrals or concert halls

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into small environments and everything scales with it.

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When we're outdoors in a big, expensive space,

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our vision tends to go long, we tend to be in panoramic,

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magnocellular vision.

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Our hearing tends to extend long,

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even if we're having a conversation with somebody,

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we tend to also be attending somewhat

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to the screech of hawks off in the distance

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or to the rush of a river.

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Whereas when we were in small spaces, everything,

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our vision, our hearing, and indeed

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even our physical movements become more restrained.

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Even if we can still extend our hands out as far as we want.

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What do I mean by that?

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Let's say you're in an elevator,

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that's a small space compared to outside on a field.

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This has been measured over and over again.

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The size or the amplitude of people's spontaneous movements

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actually scales down in smaller environments,

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even if they aren't completely restricted from extending

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their limbs all the way, whereas when we are outdoors,

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we feel a natural impulse to move further away

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from our body, our torso with our limbs,

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this just feels like more appropriate behavior.

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And when I say appropriate,

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I don't mean in any kind of social context necessarily.

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There's actually a reason for this, the visual system

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and the so-called vestibular motor system

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are intimately linked.

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And I can just tell you briefly one way

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in which you can test this and observe this

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and even use this, it's a little off topic

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from today's episode, but let's say

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you have a certain amount of flexibility.

Time: 2926.45

You can extend your arms off like wings

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is what I'm doing for those of you that are listening,

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not watching off to your side with arms straight,

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and you reach a maximum positioning of flexibility.

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You can do a quick experiment where you sit still,

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you would bring your arms in for a moment.

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You can put them on your knees, if you like,

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or in front of you, and you can move your eyes

Time: 2949.24

very far off into the periphery of your visual field.

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So you actually, I'm going to do this now.

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It looks kind of silly, but moving my eyes

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without moving my head off into the periphery,

Time: 2958.35

all the way to the right, then all the way to the left,

Time: 2960.77

all the way up all the way down,

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but especially all the way to the left,

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almost looking over my shoulder without turning my head

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all the way to my right.

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And you will find that you actually can extend your arms

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further back subsequent to that.

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And that's not magic, it has to do with the ways

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in which your cerebellum, which actually means mini brain

Time: 2979.54

and your eyes, your visual system are connected,

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and the way in which your cerebellum controls

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some of the spindles and other aspects

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of the neuromuscular architecture of your nervous system,

Time: 2988.74

'cause your nerves control your muscles

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and allow those muscles to move further out.

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So for those of you that lack flexibility,

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you can actually explore your visual system for this.

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Now that's again, a bit of a tangent, but it's a fun one

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that relates back to this so-called cathedral effect.

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The cathedral effect is a way in which our thinking

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becomes more restricted and restrained in tighter,

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smaller, more confined visual environments.

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Or if the ceiling is higher, we are in expansive space

Time: 3016.14

with a lot of distance above us or space above us

Time: 3020.09

and out to the sides, maybe even out on a field,

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our thinking goes into these more broad abstract

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and kind of loftier future thinking in particular.

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This has actually been measured.

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There's a really nice paper, I will post a link to this.

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The authors are Joan Meyers-Levy and Rui,

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and then in parentheses Juliet Zhu,

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I'm going to assume that they go by Juliet.

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The title of the paper is "The Influence of Ceiling Height:

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"The Effect of Priming

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"on the Type of Processing People Use."

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And I won't go into all the details

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of this paper, but what's really cool about this paper

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is they looked with very rigorous statistics

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and they have a fair number of subjects

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and everything about this paper looks solid to me.

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The difference in cognitive processing,

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and abstract thinking and detailed analytic work

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that people are able to perform in environments

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that have a 10 foot ceiling versus an eight foot ceiling,

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which is not that much of a difference,

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there's just two foot difference there.

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And what they found were significant effects

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whereby high ceilings, activate concepts

Time: 3079.89

related to abstraction, whereas low ceilings prime

Time: 3084.06

confinement related concepts, but, or promote

Time: 3086.74

the kind of detailed thinking that lends itself well

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to sort of spreadsheet type work or accounting type work.

Time: 3093.21

Whereas abstract creative work was supported

Time: 3095.31

by these higher ceilings.

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And the way they analyze this was really interesting.

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Again, we don't have time to go into all the details,

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but they ask people to sort of generate word sets

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of related to particular topics like sports.

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And so people will talk about soccer, football,

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baseball, golf, et cetera,

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and talk about some of the equipment and other things.

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And then they had a kind of a challenge,

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a cognitive challenge whereby people had to link

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different concepts along different dimensions

Time: 3121.28

so that you depart from the dimension of sport

Time: 3123.08

and you start thinking about sports that involve teams

Time: 3125.66

or sports that involve a ball, et cetera.

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And so in the same conditions you can,

Time: 3130.54

except for the fact that the ceiling height is different

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eight feet or 10 feet, what one finds

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is that the kinds of language and the kinds of associations

Time: 3137.84

that people start to create are vastly different.

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And there're actually two experiments in this study,

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you're welcome to go look at it,

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so it wasn't just about sports, there were some other things

Time: 3146.123

that were analyzed as well.

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And in the references of this paper,

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it also points to other examples of the cathedral effect,

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which I find very interesting because as a vision scientist

Time: 3156.56

and someone who spends his life thinking about

Time: 3158.38

and indeed talking about the nervous system,

Time: 3160.99

we know that our cognition follows our vision.

Time: 3163.55

For low vision or blind people will follow mostly

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their hearing and to some extent their touch.

Time: 3169.11

But for most people who are sighted,

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as most people are cited,

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our cognition follows our visual environment.

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So what does this mean for workspace optimization?

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Well, most of us have a fixed ceiling level in our home,

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but you might have rooms in which the ceiling is higher

Time: 3185.15

and rooms in which the ceiling is lower.

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If that were the case, I recommend if you want to do

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creative work during phase two, the nine to 16 hours

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of your circadian cycle, nine to 16 hours after waking

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that is, that you do that in the high ceiling room,

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or maybe even outdoors out on a deck or on a patio.

Time: 3199.99

Cause the highest ceiling of courses is the sky.

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Whereas if you're going to do detailed analytic work

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I would suggest doing that during phase one of the day.

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But even if you're going to do it during phase two

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of the day, for whatever reason, scheduling

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or other sorts of constraints that you do that

Time: 3214.96

in the lower ceiling environment.

Time: 3216.65

Now, if you are interested in controlling

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the height of your visual world, but you don't have control

Time: 3221.7

over the ceiling height of the environment that you're in,

Time: 3224.333

there's another way to do that.

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And I used to observe this in the cafes,

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in and around Stanford, and the Bay area

Time: 3229.34

where you would see somebody who, despite the weather

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would be in a hoodie, maybe with a baseball cap

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or other form of hat or some sort of blinder

Time: 3238.07

above their eyebrows, which is actually another way

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of just lowering the ceiling height very, very low

Time: 3243.49

and restricting your visual field.

Time: 3244.79

Not unlike blinders that we talked about before

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that one would put on a horse or one would put on themselves

Time: 3249.69

by restricting their visual angle of focus

Time: 3252.47

to directly in front of them, but not too far out

Time: 3254.37

beyond the sides of their head.

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So these cathedral effects, I think can be leveraged

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toward doing particular types of work best.

Time: 3261.38

And again, the lower the ceiling

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or the lower your visual environment,

Time: 3265.22

the more that one tends to do where I should say performs

Time: 3268.96

detailed analytic work accurately.

Time: 3272.44

And the more that one's thinking is oriented

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towards detailed sort of correct answer type work.

Time: 3279.8

Whereas when the ceiling is higher or there's no ceiling,

Time: 3282.61

the more that the brain and the rest of the processing

Time: 3286.06

that we call cognitive processing,

Time: 3288.01

is related to abstract reasoning, brainstorming,

Time: 3291.2

and indeed can pull from broader swaths of memory resources,

Time: 3295.29

because really what abstract reasoning is,

Time: 3297.47

is it's taking the existing elements and maneuvering them,

Time: 3300.64

arranging them into novel ways.

Time: 3302.55

So you can think about like notes on a piano,

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playing a particular song, learning scales,

Time: 3306.91

that's very analytic.

Time: 3308.15

There's a correct answer that you're trying to arrive at

Time: 3310.59

or generate, whereas writing music or writing poetry

Time: 3314.33

or generating new material of any kind,

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involves taking existing elements, right?

Time: 3319.83

You're not going to use words that you don't have

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committed to your memory or that you're not aware of,

Time: 3324.17

and arranging them in novel ways.

Time: 3326.13

So I think the cathedral effect can be leveraged.

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And again, you don't need to move into a different home

Time: 3330.5

or build a slanted roof and work at one side of the room

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at one part of the day and the other side of the room

Time: 3334.84

at the other, although if that's the way you want to swing it,

Time: 3338.36

that's great, most of us don't have that flexibility,

Time: 3341.06

but it's very clear that the height of the ceiling

Time: 3344.42

of the visual environment that we're in,

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has a profound effect on the types of cognitive processes

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that we are able to engage.

Time: 3350.43

Now, I'd like to shift our attention

Time: 3351.9

to the auditory environment or the noise in the room

Time: 3355.28

or the music in the room or the music

Time: 3357.03

or noise in the headphones, because it turns out

Time: 3359.46

that there is a lot of quality scientific data out there

Time: 3363.69

that speaks to whether or not listening to particular sounds

Time: 3368.15

can enhance our cognition.

Time: 3370.31

And indeed the answer is yes,

Time: 3371.84

but there are very particular types of things to listen to

Time: 3374.89

under very particular types of conditions

Time: 3377.16

that allow one to do that.

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First off, I want to say that people vary tremendously

Time: 3382.95

in the extent to which they can tolerate

Time: 3384.53

background noise for work.

Time: 3386.83

In fact, individuals will vary tremendously from one day

Time: 3390.73

to the next, or even within the same day

Time: 3392.48

in the extent to which they can tolerate background noise.

Time: 3395.36

I've experienced this myself, there been times

Time: 3397.52

in which I've been working at home

Time: 3399.03

and I felt like for whatever reason,

Time: 3400.98

I just could not engage in focus.

Time: 3402.86

And what worked to generate more focus for me

Time: 3406.52

was to go to a cafe or to a library

Time: 3409.27

or someplace where there's actually more commotion,

Time: 3411.49

more people moving about, maybe even more noise,

Time: 3413.46

maybe even music in the room.

Time: 3415.14

And we have to all be in touch with when we want

Time: 3418.2

more background noise, or when we want

Time: 3419.87

less background noise, there is no hard and fast rule.

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If you look across the literature for studies that involve

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complete silence or white noise or binaural beats, or music

Time: 3432.1

or classical music or rock and roll,

Time: 3434.01

you can find results to support any type of environment

Time: 3437.74

as being more beneficial.

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However, as we'll talk about in a moment,

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there are a few types of environments to really avoid

Time: 3443.72

and a few types of sounds that really can enhance

Time: 3446.95

the cognition and your ability to focus

Time: 3448.94

in your workspace environment across the board,

Time: 3451.58

that really seemed to work for all people.

Time: 3453.57

Let's talk about background noise to avoid.

Time: 3456.08

And here we're talking about background noise to avoid

Time: 3458.02

because it actually can cause

Time: 3460.02

some pretty severe deficits in cognition.

Time: 3462.81

There's a paper first author, Jordan Love, cool name,

Time: 3466.7

last author Alexander Francis.

Time: 3468.35

The, the title of the paper has to do

Time: 3471.35

with "Psychophysiological responses to potentially annoying

Time: 3474.757

"heating, ventilation and air conditioning noise

Time: 3476.817

"during mentally demanding work," which is a mouthful.

Time: 3479.81

But basically what this paper identifies is a large dataset

Time: 3484.79

in which workplace and environmental noise,

Time: 3486.79

mostly the humming of air conditioners that's very loud

Time: 3489.25

or the humming of heaters, that's very loud and ongoing,

Time: 3491.54

just incessant doesn't let up, can really increase

Time: 3495.06

mental fatigue and can vastly decrease

Time: 3498.01

cognitive performance. And if you're interested in looking

Time: 3499.85

at the cognitive performance data that authors

Time: 3501.61

are Banbury & Berry 2005, that paper is the one

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that supports the fact that cognitive performance is worse

Time: 3509.21

when there's just the hum of an air conditioner

Time: 3511.29

in the background or the hum of a heater

Time: 3512.75

and otherwise complete silence.

Time: 3515.412

There's also evidence which I discussed on the episode

Time: 3518.52

about hearing, which is that in young children,

Time: 3521.33

white noise can cause some impairments

Time: 3523.92

in the development of the auditory system.

Time: 3526.66

Now I don't want parents to freak out and if you're exposed

Time: 3528.82

to white noise, as it as a sleep aid as a child,

Time: 3532.08

which I know many of you were, don't freak out,

Time: 3535.33

but it turns out that white noise, especially if it's loud,

Time: 3537.9

white noise can cause some disruption in the auditory maps,

Time: 3540.77

the representation of different frequencies of sound

Time: 3543.39

in the brain that can lead to some deficits in auditory

Time: 3546.76

and even language processing.

Time: 3548.31

So we really have to be careful about long-term exposure,

Time: 3551.8

extended exposure to white noise,

Time: 3554.17

or kind of an air conditioning noise

Time: 3556.13

that's really at a high level.

Time: 3557.27

I wouldn't worry if it's in the background and shutting off

Time: 3559.51

and turning on again, as the thermostat kicks off and on,

Time: 3563.76

but really try and avoid work in loud fan filled

Time: 3568.23

or ventilation generating or heat generating environments,

Time: 3572.61

because it really can cause damage

Time: 3574.34

to the auditory system long-term and as we described,

Time: 3578.35

it can impair cognitive performance

Time: 3579.69

and overall increase fatigue.

Time: 3581.19

I think we've all experienced that when you're in a room

Time: 3583.3

and there's some ongoing background noise

Time: 3584.657

and all of a sudden it stops and you just feel

Time: 3586.54

this enormous relief [sighs].

Time: 3588.32

And the reason for this is that our auditory system

Time: 3592.26

has a parallel to our visual system.

Time: 3593.91

In our visual system, that light entering the eyes

Time: 3596.24

triggers the activation of those melanopsin cells,

Time: 3598.31

which triggers activation of the hypothalamus,

Time: 3600.32

a particular area of the hypothalamus,

Time: 3601.98

which generates alertness, generates the release,

Time: 3604.34

even of cortisol, a stress hormone.

Time: 3606.95

In the auditory system, when there's ongoing sound,

Time: 3609.98

your auditory system hears that,

Time: 3611.87

even if you're not paying attention to it,

Time: 3613.63

if you're paying attention to something else,

Time: 3614.87

it's still registers.

Time: 3616.07

Those little hair cells, as they're called in your inner ear

Time: 3618.52

are fluttering, the eardrum is beating

Time: 3620.02

and in concert to that sound frequency.

Time: 3623.56

And there's a brainstem mechanism that generates alertness

Time: 3627.227

and a kind of vigilant.

Time: 3628.34

So when you have a sound that's ongoing in the background,

Time: 3630.76

it shuts off, all of a sudden you experienced that peace,

Time: 3633.63

which is the turning off of those brainstem circuits

Time: 3635.78

that are associated with vigilance, the locus coeruleus,

Time: 3638.56

which we talked about earlier, which release epinephrin

Time: 3641.59

and norepinephrine and generate the heightened state

Time: 3643.71

of alertness in your brain and body,

Time: 3645.22

those neurons then can turn off

Time: 3646.952

and you experience that as relaxation.

Time: 3648.66

So does that mean that we shouldn't listen to white noise

Time: 3651.05

or pink noise or brown noise while we're working?

Time: 3653.53

Certainly a lot of people do.

Time: 3654.71

In fact, if you want to know what white noise,

Time: 3656.79

pink noise and brown noise are,

Time: 3658.42

they're just different constellations

Time: 3660.95

of auditory frequencies that are played together.

Time: 3663.4

Most of us think of white noise

Time: 3665.05

as the [shushing] on a screen,

Time: 3667.1

all the black and white pixels going all around,

Time: 3669.71

like they call it visual snow, but pink noise

Time: 3673.89

has certain sound frequencies, notched out,

Time: 3677.79

taken out, brown noise has others.

Time: 3679.62

It has different frequencies that are included

Time: 3682.16

at higher amplitude, et cetera.

Time: 3683.63

You can look this stuff up on YouTube,

Time: 3684.93

if you want, you to just put brown noise.

Time: 3686.38

None of it sounds terrific, it doesn't sound like music.

Time: 3688.49

It's literally just noise, mixed frequencies

Time: 3690.52

in no particular arrangement.

Time: 3692.18

There is some evidence that playing white noise

Time: 3694.75

in the background or on headphones or pink noise

Time: 3696.98

or brown noise can facilitate cognition,

Time: 3699.57

but it's mainly through an increase

Time: 3701.64

in this overall alertness as a consequence

Time: 3705.73

of areas like locus coeruleus and other brainstem areas

Time: 3708.31

that are associated with autonomic arousal

Time: 3710.49

from that noise.

Time: 3711.36

So it's a lot like the air conditioner effect.

Time: 3713.31

And I think done in a restricted way,

Time: 3715.57

meaning not for hours and hours, but maybe if your focus

Time: 3719.03

is waning and you're having a hard time engaging in work,

Time: 3721.81

you might put on some brown noise or white noise

Time: 3723.75

or pink noise and work that way for 45 minutes or so

Time: 3726.62

before you go to your panoramic vision walk

Time: 3728.65

and get some sunlight, that should be fine.

Time: 3731.36

There's really no reason to suspect, however,

Time: 3733.47

that those particular patterns of noise

Time: 3735.74

are going to optimize particular mental functions.

Time: 3739.54

So what I'd like to turn to next are particular patterns

Time: 3743.13

of sounds that indeed have been shown

Time: 3745.27

in peer-reviewed studies to optimize certain types

Time: 3747.86

of mental processing, because you can incorporate these

Time: 3750.37

into your optimized workspace environment,

Time: 3753.59

through headphones or through speakers,

Time: 3755.1

whatever mechanism that you want,

Time: 3756.82

in order to get more out of your work efforts.

Time: 3759.61

If you were to search for apps or go online and try and find

Time: 3763.61

sounds that can improve thinking or change your emotions.

Time: 3767.63

You're generally going to find three types.

Time: 3769.84

One are called isochronic tones,

Time: 3771.92

these are tones usually of a common frequency.

Time: 3775.07

So it might be a beep and then a pause, and then beep

Time: 3779.47

of the same frequency, and then beep,

Time: 3781.25

forgive my terrible beeping.

Time: 3783.728

I don't know what good beeping would sound like,

Time: 3785.67

but contrast isochronic tones with monaural beats.

Time: 3790.38

Monaural beats would be repetitive,

Time: 3792.46

almost percussive like beats delivered to just one ear,

Time: 3796.088

[vocalizing], this kind of thing.

Time: 3799.51

You can find apps that can deliver monaural beats,

Time: 3801.78

you can find also apps that deliver

Time: 3804.55

so-called binaural beats.

Time: 3805.907

You can also find YouTube scripts or channels

Time: 3808.58

that will deliver binaural beats.

Time: 3810.04

Binaural beats as the name suggests,

Time: 3811.69

are beats delivered to the two ears,

Time: 3814.12

one pattern of kind of percussive beat to one ear

Time: 3816.67

and a different pattern, or at least a pattern

Time: 3819.22

that's out of phase, that's not synchronized,

Time: 3822.1

delivered to the other ear.

Time: 3823.23

So on one ear you hear, [vocalizing]

Time: 3825.455

and in the other ear, you've got [vocalizing].

Time: 3828.511

And what happens is because of the way

Time: 3830.72

that the auditory system converges in the brainstem

Time: 3833.77

and generates what are called interaural time differences,

Time: 3837.28

I'll explain what that means in a moment,

Time: 3838.45

interaural time differences, the difference

Time: 3841.21

between the two patterns of beats that are heard

Time: 3843.96

by each of the two different ears, leads to a third pattern

Time: 3849

that the brain entrains to, and kind of maps onto

Time: 3852.32

and generates particular types of brainwaves.

Time: 3855.4

So without going into a lot of detail,

Time: 3857.87

interaural time differences are the ways

Time: 3859.82

in which if you were to hear something off to your right,

Time: 3862.43

like I just snapped my finger just to the right

Time: 3864.76

of my right ear, that a signal arrives in my right ear

Time: 3869.83

before that's sound signal, those sound waves arrive

Time: 3872.93

in my left ear.

Time: 3873.763

So there's an interaural between ears, time difference.

Time: 3876.69

And there's a brainstem area in which signals from one ear

Time: 3881.57

and signals from the other ear converge,

Time: 3883.36

and there's literally a math done by your nervous system

Time: 3886.32

that says this signal arrived before the other signal.

Time: 3890.03

And the difference between those signals

Time: 3891.67

is the interaural time difference.

Time: 3893.16

So if I were to snap my fingers on both sides

Time: 3895.54

on my left and on my right side of the exact same time,

Time: 3898.6

and they arrive at the same time,

Time: 3900.14

the interaural time difference is zero.

Time: 3901.63

Whereas if one goes first on the right and then the left,

Time: 3904.71

I'm terrible at snapping on the left, it's a weak snap,

Time: 3906.81

but it was there, then there's a delay

Time: 3908.76

and the interaural time difference has a particular value.

Time: 3911.16

Okay, you get it, it's almost ridiculously simple.

Time: 3913.85

Binaural beats have been generated in ways

Time: 3917.36

that create a particular pattern

Time: 3920.32

of interaural time differences that then cascades

Time: 3923.61

up to the rest of the brain and puts the forebrain

Time: 3926.67

and other areas of the brain that are involved in cognition

Time: 3928.87

and action into a particular rhythm.

Time: 3930.93

And some of the rhythms or waves of brain activity are ones

Time: 3934.62

that you may have heard of, things like alpha waves

Time: 3936.98

or theta waves or gamma waves.

Time: 3939.31

Now I don't like to get too attached

Time: 3941.07

to particular brain waves as excellent

Time: 3944.05

for particular kinds of thinking.

Time: 3945.76

This is something that was really popular

Time: 3947.2

in the 90s and 2000s, when ways of measuring brain activity,

Time: 3951.15

noninvasively with electrodes on the outside,

Time: 3954.635

enabled people to identify the indeed alpha brain waves

Time: 3958.23

are associated with alertness states.

Time: 3959.87

And some are other brainwaves

Time: 3961.62

that are kind of larger amplitudes,

Time: 3962.97

slow waves like delta waves are associated

Time: 3966.72

with kind of sleepiness or relaxation, but in general,

Time: 3969.79

the way that the brain works is that different brain waves

Time: 3972

are generated in different structures at different times.

Time: 3973.98

And those combine to give us a sense of happiness or give us

Time: 3978.14

a sense of focus or give us a sense of creativity.

Time: 3981.38

Nonetheless, if you look across the board at the studies

Time: 3985.11

of binaural beats and you ask what sorts of binaural beats

Time: 3989.33

appear to be useful for people to enhance

Time: 3992.41

their brain function for particular kinds of tasks,

Time: 3995.01

we arrive at some very interesting answers.

Time: 3997.76

So we'll review what those are now.

Time: 3999.67

The frequency of binaural beats that appears to bring about

Time: 4003.08

improved cognitive functioning at the level of memory,

Time: 4007.58

improved reaction times and improved verbal recall,

Time: 4012.77

seems to be 40 Hertz.

Time: 4015.42

Now, is it exactly 40 Hertz?

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We don't know, but if one wants to look up

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a great reference on this, they reference Colzato,

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C-O-L-Z-A-T-O et al 2017 describes and here, I'm quoting,

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so this is a direct quote.

Time: 4030.043

"The present findings are in line

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"with those of a recent study, which also found

Time: 4032.877

"faster reaction times in participants

Time: 4034.617

"that listen to binaural beats at 40 Hertz."

Time: 4036.32

And you can find many examples of this in the literature

Time: 4040.29

where binaural beats have about 40 Hertz

Time: 4043.32

or exactly 40 Hertz, in some cases,

Time: 4046.467

somehow brought the brain into a state that made it optimal

Time: 4050.13

for learning, for memory and for certain types of recall,

Time: 4052.82

including verbal recall, math learning, et cetera.

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So for those of you that are interested in binaural beats,

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there are a number of free apps out there.

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I'm not going to recommend any in particular,

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just have to search for one that you happen to like.

Time: 4064.618

One thing that you will find is that many of those apps

Time: 4068.82

super-imposed binaural beats onto raindrops or ocean sounds

Time: 4074

or that rather they superimpose ocean sounds and raindrops

Time: 4076.7

onto the binaural beats, that does not appear

Time: 4079.05

to be as effective as pure binaural beats.

Time: 4082.197

There has been an exploration

Time: 4083.83

of lower frequency binaural beats.

Time: 4086.24

So for instance, seven Hertz, which is theta binaural beats

Time: 4089.72

done for 30 minutes with an overlay of rain sound

Time: 4093.05

or rain sounds only that's been analyzed

Time: 4095.49

and believe it or not, that showed immediate recall memory

Time: 4098.5

was significantly decreased.

Time: 4100.89

So that's a negative effect of binaural beats on memory.

Time: 4103.56

So the idea that binaural beats are just great for us

Time: 4105.81

across the board, I think is wrong.

Time: 4108.54

It does appear that the higher frequency binaural beats

Time: 4111.6

as one moves up toward 40 Hertz

Time: 4113.46

are going to be the most beneficial.

Time: 4115.64

There are instances in which for instance,

Time: 4118.23

15 Hertz binaural beats increased response accuracy

Time: 4121.46

on a spatial verbal memory task.

Time: 4124.5

This is a complicated working memory task.

Time: 4126.43

Working memory is the kind of memory

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of remembering a phone number.

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So if I say for instance, 4932931,

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and you have to remember that number,

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keeping it online is what we call your working memory.

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It's likely that you would forget that

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two or three days later.

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You can get improvements in working memory

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with 15 Hertz binaural beats,

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whereas the other control conditions,

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five Hertz and 10 Hertz binaural beats,

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all decreased accuracy of working memory.

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However, when I looked at the literature

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and I examined a number of different studies,

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what I always seem to come back to was that 40 Hertz or so

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plus or minus five Hertz seemed to be optimal

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for generating improvements in cognition,

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in math performance, and even in various types

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of memory recall, and even in musical performance.

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You might wonder, well, how can people do

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musical performance, they're listening to binaural beats.

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Here's another surprise, many of the studies

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that I looked at didn't have people listening

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to binaural beats while they were doing the tasks,

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the memory task, or the music learning, et cetera,

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they would do it beforehand for 30 minutes.

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There were instances in which people were listening

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to binaural beats during the task.

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But if you decide to employ binaural beats,

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I recommend this 40 Hertz as a great place to start.

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I don't recommend doing it for all of your work bouts.

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I think there's a good reason to believe

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that you can attenuate to it.

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But if you are going to try it, you might try it both ways.

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You might try listening to binaural beats

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for about 30 minutes while doing something else

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and then maybe eating lunch or something of that sort,

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or taking a walk and then going into the work about.

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Because remember the moment that you start listening

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to these binaural beats, the brain doesn't immediately

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switch into a particular pattern of oscillation

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or brain waves, it takes some time.

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Neural circuits, again, take time to engage.

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The only neural circuits that are going to engage instantly

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are going be the ones that are of a sort of reflexive sort,

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like you step on a sharp object

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and you have to retract your limb,

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or you suddenly are stressed by a distressing text message,

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or you're suddenly delighted

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about a delightful text message.

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But when it comes to shifting your whole brain state

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toward optimizing work, it takes a little bit of time.

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So again, 40 Hertz binaural beats, many, many apps,

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many YouTube scripts out there, probably other resources

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for binaural beats, hopefully zero cost,

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so you can access those without any need

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to shell out any money.

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If you find one that you particularly like,

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maybe put in the comment section,

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so other people can find it,

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YouTube would be the best place to do that.

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Feel free to put a link or just a description,

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that will be wonderful.

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And again, you don't need to listen to binaural beats

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at the exact same time that you're doing the work,

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although that could also enhance your productivity.

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Some of you out there might be craving

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a little bit more mechanism by which binaural beats

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can influence things like focus or reduced reaction time.

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This has actually been explored,

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this 40 Hertz binaural beats pattern seems to have an effect

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on what's called striatal dopamine.

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We have dopamine as a neuromodulator of course,

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involved in many things in motivation,

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it's actually involved in adaptation to light in the retina.

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Something that most people don't know,

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but it's involved in movement, which is why people

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with Parkinson's who have a depletion of dopamine neurons

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actually have movement deficits and so on.

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But striatal dopamine is closely related

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to motivation and focus.

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And 40 Hertz binaural beats appears to increase

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striatal dopamine release.

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And this has actually been measured indirectly

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by what we call spontaneous blink rate.

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Now I've been accused on various Instagram posts,

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and even on this podcast of being a non-blinker,

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let's call it, or a minimal blinker.

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And as an important aside, there is no evidence whatsoever

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that people that don't blink very much

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are sociopaths or lie.

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Also, you will hear that people who blink a lot

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are sociopaths and are lying.

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There's absolutely no evidence that blink frequency

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correlates with anything except alertness.

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Now longer blinks are associated with less alertness.

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As we get tired, we tend to blink longer and longer

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until we take the long blink that is sleep.

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I guess the long blink would be death,

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but the longish blink would be sleep.

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But it turns out that the more firing of striatal dopamine

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neurons that's occurring, the more frequently we blink.

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And so it is associated with a resetting

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of our visual window, that's what happens when we blink

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and there's a whole relationship between blinking

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and time perception that we covered

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in the episode on time perception.

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But here's the bottom line for sake of this discussion.

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40 Hertz binaural beats appears to increase

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spontaneous blink rates because it increases

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dopamine transmission in the brainstem and in the striatum

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in several locations in fact.

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And so the way in which these binaural beats

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set a rhythm in the brain, recruits dopamine release.

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That dopamine release leads to heightened levels

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of motivation and focus, why motivation and focus?

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Well, dopamine is actually the substrate

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by which epinephrin is made.

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Dopamine, the molecule is actually converted into epinephrin

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adrenaline and they work together like close cousins,

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dopamine and epinephrin in order to put us on a path

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of movement or if we are doing work,

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of mental movement toward a goal.

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So that's a little bit of mechanistic meat to explain

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at least part of the reason why 40 Hertz binaural beats

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can enhance our focus, reduce our reaction times

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and improve indeed learning and memory.

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Next I'd like to talk about the role of movement

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in optimizing our workspace and whether or not standing,

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sitting, lying down, treadmilling or even believe it or not,

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cycling, can enhance our work output and performance.

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Before we do that, I want to touch on two aspects

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of optimizing workspace that will come up at some point

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in your work or school life.

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Alas, there isn't a lot of science around this,

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but I think they are worth mentioning.

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And I think I can offer a little bit of advice

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in terms of how to navigate these

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in a way that would be beneficial to you.

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The first one is interruptions.

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If you go online and you ask

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about how to avoid interruptions, people will say,

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okay, well, if you have kids at home or even if you don't

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or at work, you'll have a light, like a recording light

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with recording is on we're, we're busy now,

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or have a sign on the door that says

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bother only in a case of emergency

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or find to knock or don't knock at all.

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I've used a different policy throughout the years.

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I am somebody who works pretty hard to control my time

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and focus, but of course, as a laboratory director,

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I have people coming by and who want to talk about things.

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And of course we have phones and we have computers

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and people's opportunity to reach us.

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Interruptions really are deadly

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to our ability to generate focus.

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And it's not just about the distraction that occurs

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of say a minute or two minutes or five minutes

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when we were interrupted,

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it's also about the additional time

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to get those brain circuits to re-engage to a mode of focus.

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So it's really kind of a double whammy.

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Now, none of us, including myself want to be harsh

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or cruel or shut off from the world

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and oftentimes interruptions bring incredible insights

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and people are providing support and very useful things

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that are essential to my workday and presumably

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to your workday in school day as well.

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But there's a simple method that I learned

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from my graduate advisor that works very, very well.

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Again, no peer review data to support it,

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this is just my experience, but this is somebody

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who had immense powers of focus,

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had a very, very demanding life, a long commute to children,

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extensive laboratory, et cetera.

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And what she would do was if I came by and asked a question,

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or if anyone came by and asked a question,

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she would acknowledge their presence,

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but would not shift her body toward them.

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So she purposely did not position her computer

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facing the door, which I think is a deadly or I should say,

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deadly to focus a way of positioning your workspace.

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So her computer was facing the wall,

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the door was perpendicular to that.

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And I would come by and I say, I have a question.

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She would say yes, so she would acknowledge my presence,

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but she wouldn't actually orient her body toward me,

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which told me that this conversation

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was not going to last very long.

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And no matter how long I stood there or what I asked,

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she would never orient toward me,

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which generally kept these conversations very, very short.

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We had other designated meetings

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where we would be face-to-face.

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The other approach, which I confess

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colleagues of mine have used before,

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not necessarily at Stanford, but elsewhere is to simply say

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no to everything that somebody requests or comes by.

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So if someone would knock on the door,

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they would just shout no through the door,

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or if someone said, can I bother you for a second?

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They would say, no, or if someone said,

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I have something I want to tell you, they would just say no.

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And they would just continue doing this

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until the person went away.

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That was actually very effective,

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these were some of the most productive people I know,

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not always the kindest, but some of them were very kind.

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The other approach that I've seen

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and actually this is an approach that was used by someone

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who has been a guest on The Huberman Lab Podcast,

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someone who's immensely productive was that he,

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so I'm constraining who this might be by saying he,

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he actually, despite having the option

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to have a very large office, would place himself

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in a workspace that was literally a coat closet,

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cleared out with a desk, small lamp, completely dark.

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So this violates everything that I've talked about before

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or prior to this, everything about high ceilings,

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bright light, et cetera, and would work,

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still works underneath a desk lamp

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in a completely dark closet, minimal ventilation.

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This is my definition of hell.

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And yet is one of the most productive people on the planet.

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Also very, very hard to find, I actually know

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where his closet is, turns out he has several of them

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that he migrates from in order to avoid distractions.

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So I mentioned these as kind of extremes,

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I think that most of us exist on the other extreme.

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And that's why I mentioned it, which is that most of us

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like some social engagement and a welcome,

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or at least set our work environment

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in a way that welcomes interruption

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and we have to be very, very careful about this.

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Now in the digital realm, I already mentioned

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a few of the things that we can do as practical tools

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to limit interruptions.

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One is use the program Freedom,

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the other would be to simply turn off the wifi.

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If you do need to be online and navigating,

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you're doing research of any kind,

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that's not going to be possible.

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Turning off one's phone, I've at times,

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put my phone on airplane mode, if that didn't work,

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I've locked it in a safe, I've done that,

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I'd left in the car outside.

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It all depends on one's levels of self-discipline,

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which as you probably know, from your own experience,

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tends to kind of wax and wane.

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Sometimes we are better

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at avoiding these distractions than others.

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So if you find yourself in a place where it's very hard

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to reduce those distractions,

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you may need you to go to more elaborate lanes.

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I will say that a graduate student in my lab

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who was immensely productive and focused,

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had the habit of coming in each day,

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she would take her phone, I don't know if she turned it on,

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or off or not, and she would just place it in a door,

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excuse me, in a drawer

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and would then go start doing experiments.

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We do experiments all day at 10 courses,

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engage in discussions avidly with the rest of us,

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and then would take her phone out

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at the end of the day and leave.

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And I don't think that behavior was not correlated

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with her immense productivity.

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I think the ability to untether ourselves from the phone

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is going to be the way in which many of us

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are either going to succeed or fail in our various pursuits.

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I'm somebody who engages on with the phone

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on a regular basis throughout the day for various reasons,

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but I do try and have large swaths of the day

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in which it's either on airplane mode

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or it's completely physically separated from me.

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When I'm in large swaths, I might do every other hour

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with the phone on airplane mode

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or even a two or three hour about where I just am simply

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not engaged with the phone at all.

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So is it better to sit or is it better to stand

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when doing work, at least as it relates

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to focus and productivity?

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And the answer is both.

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There've been a number of systematic studies

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exploring what are called sit-stand desks.

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So these are desks that can be set to a height

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that makes standing the best practice,

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and then they can be lowered to a height

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that makes sitting the best practice

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or the easiest practice I should say.

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And it turns out that just sitting is terrible for us

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and there's an enormous number of studies out there

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that have pointed the fact that people who sit

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for five or six or seven hours a day doing work,

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have all sorts of issues related to sleep, neck pain,

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cognition suffers, their number of cardiovascular effects,

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even digestion, there may even actually be

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some almost pressure effects on the pelvic floor

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and things of that sort, depending on the chairs

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that one uses.

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But that people who stand are in a slightly better situation

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where many of those health metrics improve,

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but that people that do a combination of sitting

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and standing at the same desk throughout the day,

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or move from one desk to another,

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if they don't have a combination sit-stand desk,

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that's going to be best.

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The good news is it's very easy to convert a sit desk

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into a stand desk, you can just stack some boxes,

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I've done this at times or stack books.

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There are also some pedestals

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and things that you can purchase if that's your preference

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in order to set your computer at a particular height.

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And of course there are desks that have motors

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and they're ones that have cranks,

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and there are all sorts of variations,

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both in terms of the types and whether or not

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they have motors as well as the cost to these things.

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So they can go from very low cost, like placing boxes

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or books to create a standing desk,

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to very high cost in some cases.

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Now what's interesting,

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if you look at a scientific literature,

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is that people who decreased their sitting time

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by about half each day.

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So they took, let's say they were working

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for seven hours a day, three and a half hours of that day,

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they decide to stand, and it's not even clear

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that it matters that they do all those three hours

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in one about, or they divide that up

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into shorter bouts of a half an hour,

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and then sit for half an hour, et cetera,

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alternating back and forth showed incredibly significant

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effects on reduced neck and shoulder pain,

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increase in subjective health,

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vitality in a work-related environments.

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And perhaps most importantly, for sake of today's discussion

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improvement in cognitive conditioning

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and the ability to embrace new tasks

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and cognitive performance.

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There are several studies that if one wanted to explore,

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they could explore this in more detail.

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I'll put a link to this as well.

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The article that I'm referring to

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is called "Effects of a Workplace

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"Sit-Stand Desk Intervention on Health and Productivity."

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And I like this paper because many of the papers out there

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focus on the effects of sit-stand desks on health

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in trying to get people to burn more calories,

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improve their posture, relieve neck pain,

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slumped over, et cetera, but not on productivity.

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And this particular paper focuses

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also on the metrics of productivity,

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it has its own study and also references

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a number of important studies.

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What does this mean for you and me?

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Well, I've long used a standing desk

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or some variation thereof.

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What this means is that we should probably spend

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about half of our work time standing

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and about half of it sitting,

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but not all sitting or not all standing.

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If you had to do all one or the other,

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standing is going to be better than sitting.

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What happens if we just stand?

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Well, that can also generate some postural issues

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in terms of stabilization and fatigue.

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I have a good friend who's in the movement

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and physical rehabilitation and physiology space,

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his name is Kelly Starrett, he's very impressive

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in all those domains, and he always says,

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we weren't designed to sit all day,

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but we also weren't designed to stand all day.

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And I think that's true, if we were to look back

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at our species over tens or hundreds of thousands of years,

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we would find that indeed, we did sit down, we did lie down.

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It wasn't that we were standing all day long.

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That said, almost everybody, at least in the U.S.,

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is not getting sufficient cardiovascular exercise

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or movement throughout the day.

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And standing at one's desk can improve

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some of those health metrics, and again,

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can improve productivity, probably because of those

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postural effects that I talked about earlier,

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that when we lie down, there tends to be less alertness

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in our brainstem, if you will and there's less activation

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of those brainstem circuits involved in alertness.

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And indeed that circuits that involve

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a kind of a calming effect on the body, get activated.

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And as we become upright, standing or sitting,

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but especially standing, then those brainstem circuits

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for alertness kick on, which are going to make it easier

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to remain focused.

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If you are going to start standing

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for half of your work time,

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you will notice that it takes a few days to adapt.

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You'll notice a lot of shifting from side to side,

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definitely want to wear comfortable shoes.

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Some people do this on a wooden floor,

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other people feel uncomfortable unless they're on carpet.

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You have to figure out what works for you,

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but it can take a little bit of time to adapt.

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After say after now, about 10 years of working

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at a sit-stand desk, I find I can't sit for too long

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before I want to stand.

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And my standing bouts can be anywhere from 30 minutes

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to two hours, although two hours would be a little bit long.

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And then I catch myself kind of leaning on the desk

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off to the side.

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So again, the idea is to stand,

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but not be leaning on the desk,

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obviously, if you're typing or you're writing,

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there'll be some leaning involved,

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but that's what the literature support.

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There is also a literature on whether or not

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physical movement under your desk, meaning treadmilling

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or in fact, there are now bicycles

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that allow people to peddle.

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It's kind of a unicycle like thing,

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although not a unicycle under the desk,

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can be beneficial for workplace performance.

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So let's take a look at what those data say.

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The study that I'm referring to has a first author,

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Frod Sham, F-R-O-D S-H-A-M, Frod Sham et al.

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This is a research article published in plus one,

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and the title of the article is,

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"Does Type of Active Workstation Matter:

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"A Randomized Comparison of Cognitive and Typing Performance

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"Between Rest, Cycling and Treadmill, Active Workstation."

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It's amazing that people do this science,

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I think it's great.

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Where else would we get peer-reviewed data

Time: 5164.09

on these types of questions?

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First things first, there were no significant differences

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between cycling or treadmill workstations

Time: 5171.17

on any cognitive or typing outcomes.

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So it does not seem to matter whether or not people

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are treadmilling under the desk.

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So these would be stationary treadmills,

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it's like a little conveyor that people are walking on.

Time: 5182.84

Sometimes very slowly, I'm guessing some people

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walk more quickly, the New Yorkers

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probably treadmill quicker.

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The California's probably treadmill a little slower,

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I'm in Californian, so I can make that quote unquote joke,

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but nonetheless, there were no significant differences

Time: 5195.9

between that and a cycling station where people are sitting

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and peddling as they type away or as they work,

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or as they're on phone calls, et cetera.

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So it really doesn't seem to matter.

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So if you're going to embrace these active workstations,

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as they're called, just decide what you would prefer to use.

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It doesn't seem to matter in terms of outcomes.

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Now, this study involved looking at 137 young adults.

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They had multiple sessions where they at first completed

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cognitive and typing tests,

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these tests have different names, and you're welcome

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to look those up if you like, as well as flanker tasks,

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so these are tasks of attention and things of that sort.

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And then they either engaged in treadmill or cycling

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and then there was a comparison.

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And the statistics were run, and basically what they found

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was there was a statistically significant improvement

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in attention and cognitive control scores

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during any kind of active session,

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as opposed to just a mere seated session.

Time: 5252.32

So they compared seated to cycling to treadmilling.

Time: 5256.31

However, verbal memory scores actually got worse

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during active sessions.

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So I'll repeat that, treadmilling

Time: 5264.15

or the cycling workstations, improved attention

Time: 5267.83

and cognitive control scores as compared to people

Time: 5270.59

that were just seated and working.

Time: 5272.65

However, verbal memory scores got worse

Time: 5275.55

during the active sessions, and again, just to repeat,

Time: 5277.81

there was no difference between cycling

Time: 5279.26

and treadmill workstations.

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So this is interesting, I suggest that as the author say

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that active workstations, whether walking or cycling

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are not only useful to improve caloric output

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and physical activity, circulation and so on,

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but particularly when completing tasks like cognitive tasks

Time: 5295.42

or tasks that require focus that do not require

Time: 5297.71

verbal memory recall.

Time: 5298.83

Now why verbal memory recall was negatively impacted,

Time: 5303.07

we don't know, it could be because people were breathing

Time: 5305.3

a little bit harder.

Time: 5306.133

It could be that there's something about walking

Time: 5307.8

and talking that seems incompatible in the nervous system,

Time: 5310.9

although I'm not aware of that.

Time: 5312.01

I know a number of people who can walk and talk

Time: 5313.76

at the same time, but if you are going to explore

Time: 5317.81

these treadmills or you're going to explore

Time: 5319.55

these cycling stations, you probably wouldn't want

Time: 5321.43

to do that for highly verbal work,

Time: 5323.64

maybe more for mathematical work or for analytic work

Time: 5326.41

or even creative work.

Time: 5327.67

But anything that involves very precise or detailed

Time: 5330.65

verbal recall, sitting or standing

Time: 5334.71

seems to be the better option.

Time: 5336.13

And if you're wondering why cycling or treadmilling

Time: 5339.74

would enhance various aspects of cognition,

Time: 5342.97

we can speculate.

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I've talked before about this, but anytime we are generating

Time: 5347.98

forward movement through our own actions, our own efforts,

Time: 5352.492

typically, if we are outside, we're not on a treadmill

Time: 5355.16

or we're out on a bicycle or running,

Time: 5357.15

or even on a motorcycle or in a car,

Time: 5359.4

we have what's called optic flow.

Time: 5361.01

And that optic flow is known to quiet certain areas

Time: 5364.392

of the brain that are associated with vigilance

Time: 5367.13

and indeed fear.

Time: 5367.963

This is the basis of things like EMDR,

Time: 5370.67

eye movement desensitization reprocessing.

Time: 5373.35

However, the mere act of engaging what are called

Time: 5377.25

our central pattern generators,

Time: 5378.68

the neurons in our brain stem and in our spinal cord

Time: 5381.43

that engage repetitive movements also can reduce

Time: 5385.17

some of the areas of the brain that are associated

Time: 5386.7

with anxiety and vigilance.

Time: 5387.86

So one pure speculation, but nonetheless

Time: 5390.27

grounded speculation would be that treadmilling

Time: 5393.63

or cycling at a desk would reduce anxiety

Time: 5395.8

that would allow performance to improve.

Time: 5397.77

The other, what I think is more likely explanation

Time: 5400.78

is that anytime we are in ambulation,

Time: 5402.89

we recruit the release of neuromodulators like epinephrin

Time: 5406.32

dopamine and things of that sort, that further increase

Time: 5409.39

overall levels of alertness.

Time: 5410.7

I think that's the more likely explanation

Time: 5412.31

because it's hard to imagine how just a reduction in anxiety

Time: 5415.96

could lead to these improvements in cognition

Time: 5418.4

in a direct way.

Time: 5419.58

Whereas the subjects in the study, I just mentioned

Time: 5421.975

on average experienced an increase

Time: 5424.93

in cognitive performance merely by movement.

Time: 5427.93

And this does not include any optic flow

Time: 5430.42

because it's stationary,

Time: 5431.39

the treadmill or the cycle is stationary.

Time: 5433.32

And so we can rule out that optic flow,

Time: 5435.4

and that points to the idea that when we are in movement,

Time: 5439.24

we recruit neuromodulators associated with the so-called

Time: 5441.92

reticular activating system,

Time: 5443.21

the striatal system and so forth,

Time: 5445.04

that would place the brain into some pattern.

Time: 5447.87

We don't know, we only can speculate some pattern,

Time: 5450.16

perhaps it's gamma waves or some other wave pattern

Time: 5452.79

that would engage heightened levels of focus and attention.

Time: 5455.6

Nonetheless, treadmilling, cycling at a desk,

Time: 5459.52

does improve cognition.

Time: 5460.98

So we've been discussing workspace optimization

Time: 5463.61

with the understanding that you're not always going to work

Time: 5466.49

in the same place every day.

Time: 5469.09

What I've tried to do is give you a set

Time: 5471.09

of high potency tools that can improve your focus

Time: 5473.507

and cognition, and to place that within a framework

Time: 5476.71

for particular kinds of work.

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Let's just review some of the basic elements

Time: 5480.33

of what we've covered today.

Time: 5481.69

First of all, in the first part of your day,

Time: 5484.27

that zero to nine hours after waking,

Time: 5486.38

you want bright lights, especially overhead lights,

Time: 5488.48

as bright as you can keep them

Time: 5489.84

without feeling uncomfortable,

Time: 5491.33

or certainly not without feeling any pain in your eyes

Time: 5493.8

or elsewhere in your body.

Time: 5495.32

Bright lights will make for the maximum state of alertness.

Time: 5499.9

In addition, try and place, whatever it is

Time: 5502.103

that you're focusing on directly in front of you,

Time: 5504.49

but not have it extend too far out

Time: 5505.96

to either side of your eyes, try and generate

Time: 5508.38

a fairly restricted visual window as we call it.

Time: 5511.49

And if you can, try and place whatever it is

Time: 5514.9

you're focusing on at least at nose level or above,

Time: 5517.57

that it might take some engineering or some ingenuity

Time: 5520.99

and creativity in order to figure out how to do that,

Time: 5522.9

but that's going to be most beneficial.

Time: 5525.03

Try and avoid reclining, try and avoid sitting,

Time: 5527.67

try and stand for at least half of your work day.

Time: 5531.04

That's a good goal, and it may take some time

Time: 5532.79

to work up to that goal.

Time: 5534.51

In addition, if you're going to use sound

Time: 5536.99

as a stimulus for increasing focus and alertness,

Time: 5540.01

trying to avoid exposure to white noise, pink noise

Time: 5542.76

or brown noise for extended periods of time,

Time: 5545.41

for more than an hour or so, that might actually be damaging

Time: 5548.42

to the auditory system.

Time: 5549.93

And at the very least, is kind of stressful,

Time: 5552.4

even though you might not notice it,

Time: 5553.52

it's kind of a background level of anxiety and stress

Time: 5555.57

that is not going to serve you well.

Time: 5557.21

Rather, if you're going to pursue particular types

Time: 5559.9

of sound frequencies consider using 40 Hertz binaural beats,

Time: 5563.79

not monaural beats, but 40 Hertz binaural beats

Time: 5567.191

done during a particular work about or for 30 minutes

Time: 5571.2

prior to that work about.

Time: 5573.2

I would not rely on binaural beats all the time, every day,

Time: 5576.01

I think that could cause them to lose their potency,

Time: 5578.49

just because of the way the auditory system attenuates.

Time: 5580.82

And actually you've experienced that attenuation,

Time: 5582.55

the mere fact that you can go into an environment

Time: 5584.28

where there's an air conditioner, blowing, blowing, blowing,

Time: 5586.37

and then it stops, and you feel that relaxation,

Time: 5588.14

but you weren't thinking about the air conditioner before,

Time: 5590.46

it tells you that your auditory system

Time: 5591.82

had kind of attenuated to it

Time: 5593.22

and yet it was still impacting your system.

Time: 5595.36

You were sensing it, we would say, but not perceiving it.

Time: 5599.58

There are other things that you can do

Time: 5600.65

to improve your workspace optimization

Time: 5603.51

such as standing for half the day, as I mentioned before,

Time: 5606.92

but if you're interested in this

Time: 5608.8

or you feel like it suits you to treadmill,

Time: 5611.09

find a stationary treadmill that you can walk on.

Time: 5613.57

I've never tried this before, maybe after this episode,

Time: 5616.31

given what I've read in the peer-reviewed research,

Time: 5618.32

and it's pretty compelling, that treadmilling seems

Time: 5620.84

like an interesting way to increase alertness

Time: 5623.317

and cognitive performance.

Time: 5625.516

I'm not sure that I would do the cycling method

Time: 5627.74

because I can't imagine just cycling

Time: 5629.24

and typing at the same time, that sort feels like,

Time: 5631.34

like I actually can do the rub here,

Time: 5633.04

tell me pat your head kind of thing.

Time: 5634.93

But it still feels like a little bit

Time: 5636.75

of a sort of a cognitive motor collision for me

Time: 5641.09

for whatever reason, but that's just my bias.

Time: 5643.16

I do know how to ride a bicycle, but anyway,

Time: 5645.14

you pick your preference.

Time: 5646.53

Some other things that you could do

Time: 5647.81

in order to improve your workplace performance

Time: 5650.67

would be to consider the cathedral effect.

Time: 5653.1

If you're going to do analytic work for any part of the day,

Time: 5656.21

phase one or phase two, as I described them,

Time: 5658.2

but really in any time of day, that detailed analytic work

Time: 5661.45

for which there is a correct answer,

Time: 5663.31

learning scales of music, learning mathematics,

Time: 5665.38

trying to figure out the solution to a problem

Time: 5667.22

where there is indeed a solution.

Time: 5668.72

It could be an interpersonal problem as well,

Time: 5671.11

then try and get into an environment

Time: 5672.62

with a relatively low ceiling.

Time: 5674.14

If you don't have access to a low ceiling environment,

Time: 5676.12

you might consider using a brimmed hat or even a hoodie,

Time: 5679.07

or even just facing down, or even putting your hand

Time: 5681.95

above your eyes, as you will, at the level of your eyebrows.

Time: 5686.142

In other words, lower the ceiling, that's the basis

Time: 5688.3

of the cathedral effects on analytic performance.

Time: 5692.022

In contrast, if you're interested in doing brainstorming,

Time: 5695.86

creative work, you're writing new things,

Time: 5699.14

you're creating new things of any kind, artwork,

Time: 5701.35

consider getting into a high ceiling

Time: 5702.86

or no ceiling environment, or if you're wearing

Time: 5705.76

a brimmed hat or you're wearing a hoodie,

Time: 5707.23

maybe peel that back.

Time: 5708.96

Again, the data within the peer reviewed literature

Time: 5712.04

are there to support these sorts of practices.

Time: 5714.92

And if you'd like to start layering these protocols,

Time: 5716.73

by all means, please do that.

Time: 5718.48

There's no reason why you couldn't do one

Time: 5720.637

or just two of these protocols.

Time: 5722.98

There's no reason why, for instance,

Time: 5724.37

you couldn't use binaural beats and try and get

Time: 5726.98

into a low ceiling environment to do detailed work

Time: 5729.64

a couple times a week,

Time: 5730.76

but you could also employ all of these.

Time: 5733.04

Now, of course, there are an enormous number of other things

Time: 5735.36

that you can do to improve work performance

Time: 5737.89

and productivity, and I've talked about those

Time: 5739.68

in previous episodes, in particular,

Time: 5741.12

in the episode on focus and the episode on motivation,

Time: 5744.62

there are supplements you can take

Time: 5746.56

that can increase dopamine, for instance.

Time: 5748.27

There are tools that you can use to increase your focus,

Time: 5751.65

for instance, focusing your visual attention

Time: 5754.01

on one location for 30 to 60 seconds

Time: 5756.75

prior to entering a focused work about,

Time: 5758.77

this has been shown again and again.

Time: 5760.6

The work from Emily Bell, that's at NYU

Time: 5763.24

in the episode on focus, I cited a number of studies

Time: 5765.71

where this has actually been tested

Time: 5766.93

and deployed in various schools.

Time: 5768.87

Having kids do a focus task where they look

Time: 5771.54

at a particular visual target for 30 to 60 seconds,

Time: 5773.77

then doing some mathematics and seeing

Time: 5775.95

pretty impressive improvement in focus and attention,

Time: 5778.38

even in people that have attention deficit,

Time: 5780.47

hyperactivity disorder and so on.

Time: 5782.83

So there's no reason why you can't and shouldn't combine

Time: 5786.3

the sort of practical workspace optimization solutions

Time: 5789.5

that we talked about today with the kind

Time: 5791.22

of neural optimization solutions that we talked about

Time: 5794.26

in the episode on focus and the episode on ADHD

Time: 5796.607

and the episode on motivation.

Time: 5798.72

By all means, layer those together,

Time: 5800.4

that's how you're going to achieve the optimal focus bouts,

Time: 5803.41

that's how you're going to achieve

Time: 5804.65

the optimal creativity bouts.

Time: 5807.61

I do want to acknowledge again, the fact that I realized

Time: 5810.35

people are showing up to this challenge

Time: 5812.87

of workspace optimization with different budgets,

Time: 5814.95

with different constraints.

Time: 5815.94

Some people have kids at home,

Time: 5817.13

there are a lot of interruption, some people do not.

Time: 5820.92

Nonetheless, I hope that the information

Time: 5822.41

I was able to provide today will allow you

Time: 5824.53

to make subtle or maybe even drastic rearrangements

Time: 5827.66

in your workspace environment.

Time: 5829.25

There's one other point related to that,

Time: 5831.37

that I did not cover and that I'd like to cover

Time: 5833.47

just briefly, which is that there's nothing to say

Time: 5836.16

that you have to always work in the same location

Time: 5838.98

all the time.

Time: 5839.9

You can move from house to cafe if that works for you,

Time: 5842.75

you can move from office to home,

Time: 5844.42

you can also move from different locations within your home.

Time: 5847.4

I have a brief anecdote about this.

Time: 5849.07

I used to attend a lot of scientific meetings

Time: 5851.23

when a lot of scientific meetings were in person,

Time: 5853.6

and there were always a few individuals

Time: 5855.395

that seem to stay engaged

Time: 5857.03

throughout these very long meetings.

Time: 5858.897

And we're talking seven, eight hour day,

Time: 5860.75

sometimes evening sessions, and sometimes these meetings

Time: 5864.41

would go on for, four or five or even six days.

Time: 5867.53

These are long meetings and the quality of talks

Time: 5869.97

vary tremendously, and I always notice the individuals

Time: 5872.61

that manage to stay engaged and awake

Time: 5874.97

for the entire meeting.

Time: 5877.41

And I noticed that people that could maintain

Time: 5880.56

high levels of alertness in this one conference room

Time: 5883.77

had a habit of moving to a different seat

Time: 5886.59

after each session, sometimes even between talks.

Time: 5889.2

And I actually discussed this with one of my colleagues

Time: 5891.29

who was doing this, I said, is this conscious,

Time: 5893.69

are you always moving from place to place?

Time: 5894.73

And he said, yeah, if I just stay in one place

Time: 5896.45

and I just look from this one particular visual angle

Time: 5898.47

of the screen, I find after one or two talks,

Time: 5900.65

regardless of how interesting the talks are,

Time: 5903.17

that I start take on of draft, my mind isn't as engaged

Time: 5906.05

and indeed, sometimes can fall asleep.

Time: 5907.47

And so I started this practice of moving

Time: 5909.11

from space to space, or I should say,

Time: 5911.21

seat to seat within an auditorium and it works quite well.

Time: 5913.62

And I think it works quite well because again,

Time: 5915.93

of the relationship between our visual system

Time: 5918.63

driving the majority of our cognition,

Time: 5920.773

our visual system drives our thinking

Time: 5923.017

and that novel visual environments

Time: 5925.96

are going to lend themselves

Time: 5927.07

to heightened levels of alertness.

Time: 5929.34

Now, you don't want things to be so novel and scary

Time: 5931.57

or threatening or anxiety-provoking or loud

Time: 5933.81

that they draw your attention away from your work.

Time: 5935.79

But I think this is part of the reason why turning on music

Time: 5938.58

or moving to an office or a cafe or an outdoor environment

Time: 5942.39

from an indoor environment or vice versa,

Time: 5944.55

maybe even within a single day, can bring about

Time: 5946.91

more heightened levels of productivity.

Time: 5949.01

I'd also like to acknowledge that what I covered today

Time: 5951.066

is most certainly not exhaustive

Time: 5954.24

for all the types of workspace optimization tools

Time: 5956.78

that one could create.

Time: 5959.19

For that reason, I'd love for you to suggest

Time: 5961.62

any of your workspace optimization tools

Time: 5963.39

that you found useful.

Time: 5964.51

Please put those in the comment section on YouTube,

Time: 5966.58

that would be the best place than other people can see them.

Time: 5968.96

Also read through those, and perhaps in a future episode,

Time: 5972.24

I'll call about some of the ones that I've tried

Time: 5974.02

on the basis of your suggestions.

Time: 5975.87

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