Optimize & Control Your Brain Chemistry to Improve Health & Performance | Huberman Lab Podcast #80
- Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast,
where we discuss science and science-based tools
for everyday life.
[upbeat music]
I'm Andrew Huberman,
and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology
at Stanford School of Medicine.
Today, we are going to discuss your brain chemistry
and how to control and optimize your brain chemistry
for all aspects of mental health,
physical health, and performance.
Many times before on the Huberman Lab Podcast,
and frankly, every time I'm a guest on another podcast,
I get questions about science and science-based tools
for things like enhancing sleep,
enhancing focus,
enhancing creativity,
improving relationships,
getting over grief and on and on,
all of which are valid questions
and for which there are protocols that are based in science
and that work the first time and every time.
However far more important than knowing a protocol
is understanding why a given protocol works.
That's why I'm always hammering on mechanism
and explaining the cells and circuits and chemicals,
at least to some detail,
so that people can understand not just what to do,
but why it works and therefore,
how to change a protocol
as their life circumstances change,
or as goals change.
Now today we are going to go even a layer deeper.
We're going to explore the foundations
of your biology in your brain and body
that allow any protocol to work
because as it turns out,
all of the protocols out there,
whether or not it's a breathing protocol
or a supplement or a prescription drug
or an exercise routine,
they all tap into and leverage
a core set of just a few biological mechanisms.
That's right,
beneath everything you are able to do and feel
and indeed beneath every protocol that allows you
to change for the better
and optimize your mental health,
physical health, and performance,
there's just a small subset of chemicals
that you're leveraging toward that change.
So today we are going to talk
about the four major pillars of neurochemistry
that allow you to, for instance,
be focused when you want to focus,
that allow you to relax
when you need to relax and de-stress,
that allow you to optimize your sleep,
that allow you to optimize your exercise routine
or to work through a pain point in relationship
or in career or in your relationship to yourself.
So what I can say for sure
is that by the end of this episode,
you will have a much richer understanding
about how your brain and nervous system
and indeed your entire body work.
And you'll have a much firmer understanding
as to which protocols and tools to reach for
given your particular goals in the moment,
in the day, across the week, across the month,
across the year, and indeed across your entire lifespan.
So what we're really going for today are principles,
deeper understanding of why any given protocol works
and we are also going to discuss specific protocols.
Some of those protocols I've discussed
on previous episodes of the Huberman Lab Podcast,
but I must say,
many of the protocols and tools that I will discuss
are brand new and based on research
that I have not discussed at all,
simply because the research papers came out only recently,
or these are papers that I only recently unearthed.
In fact, I'm going to share with you two recent studies
in a moment that are exceedingly important
for optimizing your sleep
and these are studies that, again,
I've never discussed in any episode on sleep
or on any other podcast.
So by the end of today's episode,
you're going to have far more knowledge
about your biology and psychology than you did at the start
and you'll be armed with many more tools
and most importantly,
principles so that you can navigate
not just the tools presented on this podcast,
but in the vast landscape of tools that are out there
for mental health, physical health and performance.
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Every so often, I come across a study or set of studies
that I get so excited about
that I start telling everybody in my immediate life
and I insist on also sharing it with you,
the listeners of this podcast,
because I find the information
to be so incredibly interesting and actionable.
The two studies that I'm going to discuss
both relate to sleep and sleep states
and how to access better sleep.
The first one was published in the journal Cell Reports,
Cell Press journal, excellent journal.
And the title of this paper is
"Rapid and Reversible Control of Human Metabolism
"by Individual Sleep States".
We will provide a link to this study in the show captions.
The first author is Nora Nowak, N-O-W-A-K.
And basically what they did is they measured
the different forms of metabolism that occur
while humans sleep.
As far as I know,
this is one of the first studies of this kind.
There are many studies of metabolism.
There are many studies of sleep.
This study focused on how different states of sleep
such as rapid eye movement sleep,
which is associated with dreaming
and high emotional content dreams
versus slow wave sleep,
which tends to be more focused on physical repair
of the body, more mundane dreams,
how those different states of mind during sleep
relate to different aspects of metabolism
and what they found was absolutely fascinating.
First of all,
they found that sleep states regulate more than 50%,
half of all the metabolite features detected
in human breath.
What does that mean?
Well, it turns out that you can figure out
what humans are metabolizing in particular,
more lipids or more carbohydrate,
whether or not they're relying more on glucose metabolism
based on the contents of their breath.
This is true during waking and during sleep.
And this is what allowed them
to do these incredible measurements
of what's being metabolized during sleep.
They measured close to 2000 metabolites in breath,
every 10 seconds across the entire night's sleep.
And what they found was that
there are major pathways related to lipid metabolism,
fat metabolism,
or to carbohydrate metabolism
or other forms of metabolism
that are up or down regulated as human beings transition
between slow wave sleep,
rapid eye movement sleep
and waking.
And you might say waking?
Well, yes, they also looked as people fell asleep
and as they emerged from sleep.
And believe it or not every so often during sleep,
you wake up, you didn't know this,
but you wake up in the middle of the night,
you look around and you go back to sleep.
You're not aware of it because you're still
in a rather sleep like state, although you are awake.
What they found was that sleep
and the various states of sleep
regulated individual metabolic pathways.
They found for instance,
that the switch from sleep to wakefulness
reduces fatty acid oxidation.
So that means while you're asleep,
you're oxidating more fatty acids.
And as you wake up, that becomes less the case.
And there's a switch in slow wave sleep
that increases fatty acid oxidation.
And there's this transition from rapid eye movement sleep
to other aspects of sleep
that brings about things like the so-called TCA cycle.
Some of you familiar with metabolism
will be familiar with the TCA cycle,
the so-called tricarboxylic acid cycle,
intermediates, that's fancy nerd speak
for specific aspects of metabolism being regulated
during this rapid eye movement sleep transition.
What does all this mean?
And how is this actionable?
Well, on many episodes of the Huberman Lab Podcast
such as the master sleep episode
and the episode that we're going
into in further depth today,
we're going to talk about sleep and how to optimize sleep.
It's been thought of,
but not really tamped down
that quality and depth of sleep and duration of sleep
is important for metabolism during the daytime.
And indeed that's the case.
If people are sleep deprived or they're not sleeping enough,
things like glucose metabolism, et cetera,
get really disrupted during the daytime.
But what this current study shows
is that the metabolism that you experience during sleep,
or to be more specific,
the range of different types of metabolism
that you experience during sleep
may serve to tune up
or to ensure that the specific aspects of metabolism
that you require during wakefulness are working properly.
In addition to that,
this study clearly shows that getting enough sleep
allows you to transition
through all the various forms of metabolism
and use all those different forms
of metabolites during sleep
in a way that's immensely beneficial
for the systems of your brain and body.
So the take home message here is that,
as the author state,
sleep and experiencing the different states of sleep,
slow wave sleep early in the night, predominantly,
plus rapid eye movement sleep toward the end of the night
is extremely important for optimizing metabolic circuits
for human performance and health.
In other words, by not getting sufficient duration sleep,
you're not allowing your body
and brain to transition through all the different aspects
of fuel utilization
and you're not teaching your brain and body
how to use similar types of fuels during wakefulness.
So again, all of this points to the fact
that we need to be getting sufficient quality
and duration of sleep.
So if you're sleep deprived, even by an hour or so,
you're going to get far less rapid eye movement sleep
because rapid eye movement sleep is what occurs
toward the end of a sleep night.
During the early part of the night,
far more slow wave sleep.
In getting less rapid eye movement sleep,
we know it makes you more emotionally labile,
but now we know it's also going to alter certain forms
of glucose metabolism
during the night
and during wakefulness.
So that all underscores the need to get sleep.
But then the question is how to get enough sleep
and how to make sure you get
into all these different sleep states.
And this is particularly important
for you so-called night owls.
There's a lot of controversy out there
as to whether or not different so-called chronotypes exist,
that is people who just naturally or genetically
want to be an early bird,
wake up early and go to bed early.
So these people that wake up at 4:00 AM
and would be most comfortable going to bed
by seven or 8:00 PM or 9:00 PM.
Then they are so called night owls,
people that would feel best or tend to feel best
when they go to sleep at 1:00 AM, 2:00 AM, even 3:00 AM,
and like to wake up later 8:00, 9:00, 10:00,
or even 11:00 AM or noon.
And then of course,
most people go to sleep somewhere
between 10:00 PM and midnight
and wake up somewhere between 5:00 AM and 7:00 AM,
or I suppose more typically 6:00 AM and 8:00 AM.
Now whether or not real chronotypes exist
or whether or not people simply select schedules
for sleep and wakefulness that they like
because of their social schedules
or the activities they enjoy.
For instance, some people like to really go out,
they like to go out dancing or hear music,
or spend time in venues that are only open late at night,
and don't even open until noon or after.
Other people like myself rarely go out at night
but I like to get up early.
I like to exercise.
I like to see the sunrise, et cetera.
So I don't know if I'm a morning person
or an evening person.
I just know the things I enjoy
tend to happen in the early part of the day.
And the things that I don't enjoy quite as much
tend to happen late at night.
Regardless of whether or not
there are real genetic propensities
to be a night owl or an early bird
or a sort of typical person right there in the middle,
it's very important that people
have some control over their sleep schedule
and even more important,
that people are able to get sufficient amount
of REM sleep and slow wave sleep,
for many reasons,
but including the reasons I discussed
in the previous study related to metabolism.
I'm very excited, therefore,
about a study that came out in sleep medicine.
This was a few years ago, but somehow I missed this one.
It was published in 2019.
And the title of this article is
"Resetting the Late Timing of 'Night Owls'
"Has a Positive Impact on Mental Health,
"Physical Health and Performance".
This is a study done in humans,
focusing specifically on people
that like to stay up late and sleep in,
but who desire to be able to get up and feel alert
in order to go to work or study
and they want to go to sleep a bit earlier.
And so there are a lot of questions
embedded in this study in particular,
whether or not people can actually shift their schedule
by a few hours or more.
Some people out there contend that if you're a night owl,
that's just going to be impossible
or very, very challenging to do.
Turns out it's not impossible
and it's not even that challenging to do
provided you do the right things.
Just a brief overview of the study
and then I'll give you the key takeaways.
It was a randomized control trial.
It involved a number of different people,
both male and female.
And what they did was they used non-pharmacological,
practical interventions in a real world setting,
here I'm paraphrasing.
They used targeted light exposure.
They used consistent sleep, wake times.
They used fixed meal times,
caffeine intake and exercise.
And this is one of the reasons I love this study so much
because I've done episodes
where I've talked about temperature,
exercise, feeding, and most importantly,
light exposure as a way to control
and shift your sleep wake cycles,
your so-called circadian timing and entrainment.
What did they find?
Well, they found "Significant improvements
"in terms of mood so far less depression and stress",
subjectively measured,
"as well as improved cognitive performance",
that was objectively measured.
So improved reaction times,
improved physical grip strength,
which is actually a measure not just of strength per se,
but also of nervous system function
and a number of things that people could do
in order to optimize their morning hours,
even though they were night owls previously.
What did they have people do?
Well, I'm going to just going to list this off
sort of rapid fire succession.
Then we'll provide a link to the study
if you want to learn more.
First of all, they told participants
to try and wake up two to three hours
before their typical wake up time,
two to three hours.
That seems brutal to me
and probably seems brutal to you
if you're somebody who typically wakes up at 10:00 AM
to try and get up at eight or even 7:00 AM consistently,
but they were also asked to maximize
outdoor light exposure during the mornings
for reasons that if you've listened to this podcast before,
if you've heard me talk about before,
you know, that I'm constantly talking about,
I'll probably go into the grave shouting,
please get as much light exposure
from sunlight early in the day as possible
because it sets in motion
a huge number of things that are beneficial
for your mental health and physical health,
including dopamine production,
timing melatonin production correctly,
reducing cortisol peaks late in the day,
et cetera, et cetera.
So they asked them to get a lot of outdoor light exposure.
They didn't give them a specific amount.
What they said,
maximize outdoor light exposure during the mornings,
the time before noon.
And again, they had them waking up two to three hours
before their habitual wake up time.
They were also told,
and this is very important
if you're going to shift your schedule earlier,
to try and keep sleep wake times fixed
between their work days and their weekends.
So not sleeping in on the weekends
or not having any sleep in days,
regardless of how well they slept the night before.
How fixed?
Within 15 to 30 minutes of their pre-designated time.
So if they were waking up at seven o'clock one day,
they set their alarm and they made sure they got out of bed
at seven o'clock every day plus or minus 30 minutes,
but never later than 7:30,
never earlier than 6:30.
Participants were also asked to try and go to sleep
two to three hours before their habitual bedtime.
So again, these are people that want to stay up late,
like 11:00 PM, perhaps,
but even as late as 1:00 AM or 2:00 AM.
And now they are asked to go to sleep
two to three hours before their habitual bedtime
and to wake up two to three hours earlier,
as I mentioned earlier.
They were also told,
and I love this because it fits with many of the things
we've talked about on this podcast before,
to try and limit light exposure during the evenings,
dim the lights or limit altogether artificial lights.
Lot of reasons for that,
I covered that in the Master Sleep episode,
I covered that in the Optimized Health Using Light episode.
You can find those at HubermanLab.com.
They're asking them to do that here.
And they asked participants to keep a regular schedule
for their daily meals,
not eating on the hour consistently,
you know, at 9:00 AM, noon, 3:00 PM, exactly.
But within again, about 15 to 30 minutes,
they're always eating at the same times.
That was also important.
And again, that's because we have these so-called
food in trained circadian clocks.
When you eat, tells your body when to be alert
and when you're not eating, when to be asleep.
And they were told to not drink any caffeine
after 3:00 PM in the afternoon.
Another theme that we've talked about on this podcast.
They were also told not to take naps after 4:00 PM.
Naps are an interesting feature of the sleep wake cycle.
To be very brief about this
and to pull from the episode
that I did with world sleep expert
from the University of California Berkeley, Matt Walker,
naps are great for many people,
but don't nap if it interferes with your nighttime sleep.
And in this study, they told them don't nap after 4:00 PM.
And if you are a napper, don't nap for more than 90 minutes.
10 minute naps are fine.
20 minute naps are fine.
Zero minute naps are fine,
but don't nap for more than 90 minutes.
And don't nap after 4:00 PM.
And to exercise during the morning.
Now this one can be a bit controversial
because I know a lot of the PTs out there
and a lot of the online, you know,
gym rats and people who,
and runners too, for that matter,
will say, well according to body temperature and research,
it's best to exercise in the afternoon.
Look, it's better to exercise sometime
as opposed to no time,
but if you're focused on how to shift your schedule earlier,
meaning get up earlier and go to sleep earlier,
this study had people exercise in the early part of the day,
certainly before 2:00 PM and ideally before noon.
So again, this is a really important study
because it combines a lot of different variables
to arrive at this very impressive shift
where people can get up two to three hours earlier
and then pretty consistently and reflexively
start going to bed two to three hours earlier,
feeling more alert during the day,
again, improvements in cognitive performance,
mood and physical performance, grip, strength, et cetera.
Very few studies are able to
or are willing to tackle so many variables
and combine them in one study.
This paper, I think, does a marvelous job of doing this
and is incorporating things that individually,
each have some support for them
in animal studies and previous human studies.
But as far as I know,
this is one of the few studies
that really combines all these different features
in one place,
eating times, keeping those consistent,
getting maximal sunlight exposure earlier in the day,
getting up at a consistent time,
going to sleep at a consistent time and on and on.
It's a really marvelous study for that reason.
And I think for any of you that are night owls
and any of you that want to reinforce your early waking
and early to bed times,
and I think for most all of you
who fall into that general middle category
of tend to go to sleep somewhere
between 10:00 PM and midnight,
'cause that's most people
and tend to wake up sometime between 6:00 AM and 8:00 AM,
well, maybe you want to become more of an early riser
or maybe you're going to travel
or the seasons are changing and you want to shift your time
or you have a new job, et cetera,
or something that's actually very common
in terms of relationship struggle.
You want to match your wake sleep times,
or maybe you want to offset your wake sleep times
from a significant other,
these sorts of approaches that I described here
and that are supported by the data in this paper
are absolutely powerful and science supported.
And I'm certain that if you were to apply them,
that you would see essentially the same effects
that were observed here.
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Let's talk about how to optimize
and indeed how to control your brain chemistry
for a sake of health and performance.
Now in order to do that,
we all need to be on the same page
about some basic facts.
Some of those basic facts
involve learning some basic biology.
And I promise that even if you don't have a biology
or chemistry background,
everything I'm about to say should be accessible
and clear to you.
The important thing to know
is that your brain and your spinal cord
and the rest of your so-called nervous system
control all the organs of your body
and that all the organs of your body feed back,
meaning they communicate through chemicals and other means,
to your nervous system.
Now your nervous system plays a particularly important role
in generating everything from sleep
to wakefulness, creativity,
stress, calm, et cetera,
by way of a particular type of cell-cell interaction.
And that's called synaptic communication.
What is synaptic communication?
Well, in order to understand that
let's dial back a little bit further
and try and understand for a moment
what makes up your nervous system.
In its simplest form,
your nervous system is made of nerve cells
that we call neurons.
Neurons communicate with one another through chemicals.
They release certain chemicals that make other neurons
more or less likely to be electrically active.
What do we mean by electrically active?
We mean,
as it sounds,
electricity passing down through cells
and then literally causing electricity in other cells.
The simplest way to think about this
is maybe when you were a kid or maybe even still now,
you would wear socks and you'd shuffle along the floor
to generate some static electricity,
and then you'd touch someone [playful whirring]
and you'd shock them with your finger.
I'm a younger brother
so I'd occasionally do that to my sister.
I had friends, we would do that to one another.
I know it's kind of silly and childish,
yet, it illustrates the principle
that we can generate electricity and pass electricity
to other beings or in the case of neurons,
from one neuron to the next.
The way neurons do that,
is that in between the neurons,
they're little spaces,
those little spaces are called synapses
and neurons literally vomit,
well, they don't literally vomit,
but they release little packets
of so-called transmitter chemical
into that space we call a synapse.
It travels across the synapse.
It attaches to the cell on the other side,
the other neuron.
And then depending on what that chemical is,
it either makes that next neuron more electrically active
or less electrically active,
so called excitation,
it either excites the next neuron
to be electrically active also,
or it inhibits, it prevents the next neuron
from being electrically active.
So again, very simply,
we have nerve cells that communicate with one another
through electricity and chemicals
that inspire that electricity
and the little gaps between neurons are called synapses.
If you can understand that,
I'm certain you can make it through the rest of the episode
and that you'll get all the depth and important detail
that you need to know.
But I want to go just a little bit further
and explain that neurons don't just talk one-to-one.
There are trillions of neurons in your nervous system
that allow you to be happy, to be in love,
to be sad, to be in grief,
to remember things and so on.
And what you do at any moment,
what you feel and what you think
relates to which so-called neural circuits are active.
So a lot of times we think about brain areas
and we've all seen these pictures of the brain
where, you know, someone was in a fMRI scanner,
or they were in a brain scanner of some sort,
and they saw a picture of something
and a certain area of the brain lights up as it's called.
That lighting up of the brain really reflects
the activity of hundreds, if not thousands,
maybe even millions of neurons in that region.
Those images of brain areas lighting up
and indeed talking about brain areas lighting up,
can be a little bit or a lot misleading
because in fact, no single brain area
controls any one single perception
or behavior or feeling state.
Rather, we have so-called neuro circuits,
chains of neurons,
chains of specific neurons that is,
that create different states of mind
that lead to specific behaviors
that lead to specific emotional states.
And those neural circuits are made up
of lots of different brain areas that light up
in particular sequences.
And when I say light up, excuse me,
what I mean is that particular brain areas either excite
or prevent the excitation,
that is they inhibit other brain areas
in a particular sequence.
Much like keys on a piano played in a particular sequence,
makes up a particular song,
particular brain areas activated or made silent
in a particular sequence
leads to a particular behavior
like getting up out of a chair
or a particular feeling state
like being particularly happy one day when you wake up
or particularly depressed,
whether or not that depression is caused by a life event
or whether not it arises spontaneously.
So we have neurons, we have synapses
and we have neural circuits.
And vitally important is the fact that
which neural circuits are active
and which neural circuits are likely to be less active
at any given moment,
depends on two major categories of chemicals.
It depends on hormones
and it depends on so-called neuromodulators.
Now we're mainly going to focus on neuromodulators today
because those are the things
that if you can learn to control them,
and indeed there are tools to control them,
then you can control which neural circuits
are more likely or less likely to be active
in you at any given moment.
And in doing so,
you can control whether or not
you are going to be alert and focused or deeply asleep.
You can control whether or not
you are going to be in a creative state
or whether or not you're going to be in a state of mind
more fit, more capable that is
of doing focused work or math
or more so-called linear types of work
where there's a correct answer.
There's a specific thing to follow
and you're simply going to plug and chug as it were
through a particular set of steps
in order to accomplish something.
Or for instance,
whether or not you're going to be in a more relaxed
and creative state where you're thinking about new ideas
or new ideas just seem to be spontaneously coming to mind.
All of that can be controlled
to a considerable extent
by leveraging these so-called neuromodulators.
What are neuromodulators?
Neuromodulators are particular chemicals
that make it likely
that certain neuro circuits will be active and not others.
And the four neuromodulators
that we're going to talk about today
that are of the utmost importance for your goals
are dopamine,
epinephrine also called adrenaline,
serotonin and acetylcholine.
That's dopamine, epinephrine,
serotonin and acetylcholine.
Today, I'm going to teach you
how each of those different categories
of neuromodulators work
and the things that you can do
to control those neuromodulators,
that is increase them or decrease them
through behavioral tools and supplementation,
in ways that allow you to access
the brain and body states that you want
at the times that you want.
Just very quickly.
I want to talk about how neuromodulators are able to work,
regardless of whether or not it's dopamine
or serotonin or epinephrine, et cetera.
There are many features of how neuromodulators work,
but for sake of today's discussion,
we only need to focus on two of those features.
And those are fast-acting features
and longer slower features
or what we call baseline features.
What am I talking about when I say faster or baseline?
Well, consider that at any given moment,
whether or not you're asleep or awake,
whether or not it's morning or afternoon or night,
you have some amount of dopamine
being released in your brain and body,
some amount of serotonin,
some amount of epinephrine
and some amount of acetylcholine.
It is rarely, if ever the case,
that you have zero dopamine or zero serotonin.
You know, so often we hear about someone
being dopamine depleted
or these days, you hear a lot about that anyways.
Or you'll hear that people's serotonin is bottomed out.
In reality, none of these neuromodulators
ever disappear completely,
but they tend to be present at different levels
or different relative levels.
Another important thing to point out
is that they don't work alone.
In fact, as you'll soon learn,
dopamine and epinephrine are close cousins
that collaborate in terms of creating states
of focus and motivation, for instance,
or in creating states of energy
and the pursuit of particular goals.
When I say they're close cousins,
what I mean is that they tend to impact
some of the same neural circuits.
And believe it or not,
dopamine and epinephrine are chemically related, too.
I'll just tell you right now
that epinephrine is actually derived from dopamine,
chemically epinephrine, that is adrenaline,
is made from the molecule dopamine.
Now dopamine and serotonin can also work together
to impact certain circuits in the brain.
But in large part,
they operate on separate circuits.
And acetylcholine,
which you'll soon learn is involved
in states of focus and can actually open up,
it can literally create states in the mind
in which your brain is more plastic
and able to change and learn more quickly.
Well, acetylcholine can do that on its own,
but rarely does it do it on its own.
More typically, it gets assistance
from some of the other neuromodulators.
Now that might seem like it complicates the picture,
but it actually makes the picture far simpler
because what we can say for sure
is that the fast actions of dopamine
or the fast actions of epinephrine,
serotonin or acetylcholine
are actions that occur on the order of seconds or minutes
or up to about an hour or so.
Whereas the slower actions of those neuromodulators
tend to occur on the order of hours, days, or even weeks.
Now perhaps surprisingly,
I'd like to focus on the slow actions
of the neuromodulators first,
because those slow actions of the neuromodulators
are happening in you and in me and in everyone right now,
and they set the backdrop,
the context in which the various tools
to manipulate dopamine, epinephrine, serotonin,
or acetylcholine will work.
What do I mean by the context
or the backdrop or the baseline?
Well, it's fair to say that most people
are awake during the daytime and asleep at night.
I do realize that there are people
who are going to be doing shift work
or they're raising young children,
or that might have a sick person at home
that they're tending to, et cetera,
or even have insomnia, they're tending to them.
So schedules of sleep and wakefulness will vary,
but in general, everybody,
regardless of whether or not you're nocturnal
or you're, so-called, diurnal, your awake during the day,
pretty much everybody follows a schedule in which
from zero to nine hours after waking,
that is from the time you wake up
until about nine hours later,
the neuromodulators,
dopamine and epinephrine,
tend to be at their highest levels that they will be
at any point in the 24-hour period,
in any period of the day.
So we can call this zero to nine hour period
phase one of the day, just for simplicity.
And I've referred to this before in a previous episode,
but not in this exact context.
From nine to about 16 hours is what we would call phase two.
And that's when dopamine and epinephrine levels
tend to subside a bit
compared to the earlier phase one part of the day
and serotonin levels start to increase.
And then phase three of the 24-hour cycle,
which is from about,
and again about the zero approximates,
from about 17 hours after waking
until about 24 hours after waking
is phase three of the day.
And during that time,
there is chaos in terms of which
neuromodulators are most present in the brain.
And by chaos, what I mean is that during sleep,
you have incredible peaks in acetylcholine
and drops in acetylcholine.
You have incredible peaks in dopamine
and drops in dopamine.
You have incredible peaks in serotonin
and drops in serotonin.
Most often, you are not going to see
much if any release of epinephrine, adrenaline,
and that's because epinephrine,
also called adrenaline,
tends to wake us up and put us into action mode behaviors
and that's simply not happening during sleep.
But for the other three neuromodulators,
across the night,
it's sort of chaos.
You've got peaks and drops and peaks and drops
in different combinations
than you would ever see in wakefulness.
And this plays important roles in dreaming,
important roles
in some of the reparative functions of sleep.
The point is that during that phase three,
the levels of neuromodulators are all over the place,
but it's not random, right?
I say it's chaos, but it's organized
according to the specific reparative goals of sleep,
the specific metabolic roles of sleep, et cetera.
We're not going to focus too much on phase three today
because phase three of the 24-hour cycle,
that 17 to 24-hour period,
is one in which you ought to be deeply asleep,
whether or not you're nocturnal or diurnal, right?
17 hours after waking, you ought to be asleep.
And there are a lot of episodes of this podcast.
And indeed, today, I started talking about
two particular studies related to sleep,
and there are a lot of tools to enhance sleep, et cetera.
And of course there are things that you can do
in the late portion of phase two of the day
in order to enhance your transition time
into and depth of sleep.
But you can't really do much during sleep, right?
You're not taking supplements.
You're not doing breathing practices.
There are things to fall back asleep,
but you're not really doing much during sleep.
So we're mainly going to focus
on what we're calling phase one and phase two.
Phase one, being this dopamine
epinephrine dominated phase of our day.
And phase two being this more serotonergic
or serotonin dominated portion of the day.
And then you might say,
well, what about acetylcholine?
You forgot about acetylcholine?
Well, we didn't forget about acetylcholine.
Acetylcholine is under control
more in terms of what we happen to be doing
at any given moment,
whether or not we're focusing or not focusing,
whether or not we're learning or not learning.
And here I'm referring to acetylcholine
specifically in the context of the brain and thinking,
because as some of you
are probably shouting out there, right,
if you're an exercise physiologist
or you know anything about how the brain controls movement,
acetylcholine is used at the nerve to muscle synapse, right?
So neurons don't just control other neurons electrically.
The way you are able to move in fact
is because neurons are controlling
the electric activity of muscles,
literally the contraction of muscle fibers,
and that control is exerted
through the release of acetylcholine.
So acetylcholine is working at muscles, as well,
but we're not focused on that today.
We're focused on what we can do
during phase one of the day
and what we can do during phase two of the day
to control the specific neuromodulators,
dopamine, epinephrine, serotonin, and acetylcholine,
toward particular end goals.
And as I've been harping on for the last five
or 10 minutes or so,
it is important to understand
that in the early phase one part of the day,
again, zero to nine hours,
dopamine and epinephrine already
dominate the neuromodulator landscape.
That is they are already elevated
and then they will taper off in phase two.
Whereas in phase two of the day,
serotonin tends to dominate
more than dopamine and epinephrine.
And so if you think about that,
what it means is that if your goal
is to increase serotonin
in order to get some particular effect
on your mental performance
or physical performance or health,
or if your goal is to increase your dopamine or epinephrine,
to get some particular effect on your mental health,
physical performance, et cetera,
well, then you need to consider
what the background level of dopamine
or epinephrine or serotonin happens to be
because in doing so,
you will know which tool to select
and how hard you need to push on that tool, right?
If your levels of dopamine are already riding pretty high,
because it's the early part of the day,
well then it doesn't take a whole lot more
to get dopamine to a level in which it can,
for instance, change your level of motivation.
Whereas if you are in the late part of the day,
let's say eight or 9:00 PM,
and you have a lot of serotonin
swimming around in your system
and you really need to be focused and alert,
well, you can do that by leveraging the dopamine
and epinephrine system
and indeed the acetylcholine system too,
but you're going to have to resort to tools
that can do that far more potently
and that can do that in a much more sustained way
if you're going to access the state that you want.
So again, it's really important to understand
what the backdrop of these neuromodulators is,
the so-called baseline
and that they vary across the day
if you are going to be able to leverage tools
to optimize your brain chemistry.
Anyone that tells you do this protocol
in order to increase your dopamine,
do this protocol,
or take this supplement to increase your serotonin,
they can be telling you the absolute truth,
but if you don't consider the backdrop
over which that supplement
or behavior is going to have its effect,
well, then you can't really predict the effect it will have.
But if you can understand these backdrop baseline elements
to how neuromodulators work,
well, then you're in a terrific position
to leverage the best tools
in the immediate and short-term
and that is on the order of seconds, minutes and hours.
Before we dive into the more pointed,
directed effects of specific tools on neuromodulators,
I'd like to just briefly mention hormones
because they are also important
for understanding the background and the context
and these baseline levels of neuromodulators.
Now here, I'm going to paint with a bit of a broad brush,
but what I will say is accurate,
even though it might not be exhaustive.
What I mean by that is everything I'm about to say is true,
but it doesn't cover every example in detail
and nuanced possibility out there.
Hormones have many different effects on the brain and body
and not unlike neuromodulators,
some of those effects are very fast.
Some of them are very slow.
In fact, certain hormones,
for instance, the steroid hormones,
like estrogen and like testosterone
and corticosteroids
and here, of course,
I'm referring to the steroid hormones for what they are.
They are indeed steroid hormones,
but I'm not talking about steroids
that people inject for sports performance
or for physical augmentation.
I'm talking about the steroid hormones
that you make naturally
because indeed you make these naturally.
Well, the steroid hormones
can actually control gene expression.
They can change the identity of cells
and the genes and proteins that cells express.
This is why during puberty, for instance,
testosterone and estrogen are released into the body,
growth hormone is released into the body
and bodies and voices and personalities
and brains change tremendously
because literally there is a transformation
of the breast tissue,
of the testicular tissue,
of the ovarian tissue, of the bones, of the muscles,
of the tissues and cells that control hair growth.
Gene expression changes in all those cell types.
And the child becomes an adolescent,
becomes a young adult, right?
That's what puberty really is.
In fact, puberty is perhaps
the most dramatic transformation that we go through
in our entire lifespan in terms of our aging,
'cause indeed it reflects a very rapid,
I should mention, period of aging
and transformation of the identity of cells.
So steroid hormones and other hormones
can have very slow long-lasting actions in that way.
They can also have very fast actions.
So for instance,
adrenaline, epinephrine, released from the adrenal glands
can immediately make your heart beat faster,
can immediately change the circumference
of your blood vessels and arteries and capillaries
and change the way blood flows.
It can change the way you see the world, literally.
It does change the way you see the world
through your visual system.
And that all happens on the order
of hundreds of milliseconds or seconds,
these are extremely fast actions.
Corticosteroid also can have fast actions and slow actions.
But since this isn't a discussion about hormones per se,
and we've done entire episodes
like the Optimize Testosterone and Estrogen episode.
You can find that at HubermanLab.com.
Or the interview with the incredibly knowledgeable
and clear and
really wonderful tutor of actionable information,
Dr. Kyle Gillette, who is also on this podcast,
you can learn a lot about hormones there.
Today, we want to think about hormones
as they relate to these neuromodulators,
the dopamine, serotonin, epinephrine and acetylcholine,
and in general,
testosterone tends to collaborate with
and increase the action of dopamine.
That's not always the case, but in general,
when testosterone goes up, dopamine goes up
and sometimes even vice versa.
When dopamine goes up, testosterone go up.
And this is true for both males and for females.
In general, when corticosteroids
like cortisol and some related steroid hormones increase,
epinephrine levels go up.
And in general, when hormones like oxytocin
or prolactin are increased,
levels of serotonin go up.
We can't draw a direct link
between any one hormone system and acetylcholine.
Acetylcholine kind of sits off
in a category of its own in that way.
But again, in general, testosterone and dopamine
tend to collaborate in the same direction.
Cortisol and epinephrine tend to collaborate
in the same direction.
Oxytocin and prolactin, which are hormones,
and serotonin tend to collaborate in the same direction.
And then we have poor old, lonely acetylcholine
off on its own, but it's not poor and lonely.
It actually has incredibly potent effects on its own.
So it's really that it just doesn't mean much help
from the hormone systems
or at least not the steroid hormone systems
in order to have its tremendous effects.
Now a lot of what people think about
and will do when trying to improve mental health
and physical health
is they will try and increase
or decrease certain categories of hormones
of the sort that I mentioned,
testosterone, estrogen, oxytocin, and prolactin, so on.
But oftentimes, the effects of those manipulations
in hormones that are going to be most salient
are not going to be due to the direct effects
of those hormones.
Sometimes it could be.
But oftentimes it's going to be due to their effects
on the brain and nervous system
by way of how those hormones impact neuromodulators.
So for instance,
there are various things that people can do,
both men and women,
to increase their testosterone and estrogen
in the appropriate ratios.
I talked about one such approach in a previous episode,
and that is to get sunlight
onto a large portion of one's skin each day.
Believe it or not, this actually works.
And it works because your skin
is actually an endocrine organ,
a hormone secreting organ.
It's a beautiful study.
I've covered it on this podcast before.
We will provide a link to this study again,
but it had people spend at least 20 minutes or so,
closer to 30 minutes, each day,
trying to maximize sunlight exposure
to as much of their skin as they could
in terms of still maintaining decent exposure,
meaning not over exposing themselves in a cultural way,
meaning wearing enough clothes that they were decent,
but still getting a lot of sun exposure,
a couple of times per week or more.
What they found was that people's testosterone
and estrogen levels went up.
Feelings of well-being went up.
Feelings of well, or I should say increases in libido
were observed, as well.
They subjectively reported more passion, et cetera,
testosterone and estrogen did indeed both go up.
And again, I want to highlight that increases in estrogen,
not just testosterone,
are related to increases in libido in both men and women.
This is why you never want
to crush your estrogen down to zero,
whether or not you're male or female,
if you want to maintain some sort of healthy libido
and general feelings of well-being, unrelated to libido.
Well, many of those effects
we know are not due to direct effects
of testosterone and estrogen,
but rather are due to the effects
of testosterone and estrogen on the neuromodulators,
dopamine and serotonin,
because much of libido and feelings of well-being
and feelings of relaxation,
but also desire, motivation, et cetera,
originate because of the activation of neural circuits
that dopamine controls and promotes
and that serotonin promote and control.
So this is very important to understand
as we move toward more specific discussion
of the chemicals that we call neuromodulators,
because hormones are controlling those neuromodulators
in a very slow modulatory way.
So yes, I said it,
hormones modulate neuromodulators.
I sort of said it twice on purpose.
And this is a dramatic and potent effect.
So I'll just give you one more example.
The hormone prolactin tends to be antagonistic.
It tends to reduce amounts of dopamine
or at least when prolactin levels are high,
dopamine levels tend to be lower.
You observe this after the birth of a new child,
you observe this post coitally after mating,
in all species, humans and animals.
When prolactin is elevated,
serotonin tends to be elevated.
And when prolactin is elevated,
levels of dopamine and the effects of dopamine
tend to subside.
Now as I move toward explaining
what each of the four categories of neuromodulators do,
this will start to make more and more sense
as to why this would be.
I always say I wasn't consulted in the design phase,
meaning I didn't design these circuits.
And if anyone tells you that they did,
you should back away quickly
because none of us design these circuits.
This is the way that evolution
and nature created these systems.
And they tend to work in a bit of a seesaw fashion,
prolactin up, dopamine down, right?
Dopamine up, prolactin down.
In general, that is the way they work.
So if we are to take a look at how each of these
neuromodulator systems functions on its own,
while understanding that
they never truly function on their own,
we can start to really make sense
of the landscape of tools that are available to us
and which tools are going to be most powerful to select
if our goal is for instance, to be focused
or if our goal is to be less stressed
or if our goal is to be highly motivated
and highly focused for sake of learning.
All of that is indeed possible
if you understand these four neuromodulators
and you understand that while there are many tools
ranging from pharmacologic to behavioral
that can tap into these neuromodulator systems,
that can kind of press on the gas of dopamine,
pull back on serotonin and so on,
but that there are particular tools,
both behavioral and supplementation-based,
and to some extent,
prescription drug based, too,
and we'll touch on a few of those.
If you understand that and why they work,
well, then you can create a sort of kit,
a grab bag of things that you can use in any context
or I should say that you can look to
depending on the context you're in
and create the states of body and mind that you want.
Now once again, painting with a somewhat broad brush,
but nonetheless, an accurate brush,
we can say that dopamine,
when elevated above baseline,
tends to increase states of motivation,
both mental and physical motivation,
drive and to some extent focus.
I've said it many times before, and I'll say it again,
there's a lot of misconception about dopamine.
Many people out there think that dopamine
is all about pleasure.
You hear about dopamine hits or people chasing dopamine
or the need to have a dopamine fast, et cetera.
Dopamine is not about pleasure.
Dopamine is about motivation, craving and pursuit
for goals or for things that are outside
our immediate possession and experience.
The motivation and pursuit of a mate.
The motivation and pursuit to mate.
The motivation and pursuit of food.
The motivation and pursuit of a career goal,
et cetera, et cetera,
things we do not yet have, but that we want
and we get into sort of a forward center of mass
and a pursuit of, and that pursuit can be physical.
That pursuit can be cognitive.
It can be both cognitive and physical.
And it can involve talking about something, right?
Because in some professions,
pursuit of things involves talking.
I think about lawyers,
they talk a lot in pursuit of winning cases
and money, et cetera,
putting people in jail or keeping people out of jail,
et cetera, that's done with their mouths,
not with their bodies.
Athletes in a state of motivated training
or in motivated competition use their bodies.
All this is obvious of course,
but perhaps what is not so obvious
is that one molecule not working alone,
but predominantly one molecule, dopamine,
is responsible for all of those motivated states,
which again, underscores the power of these neuromodulators.
So dopamine, we can think of
at least in the context of today's discussion
as controlling and indeed promoting motivation,
drive and pursuit
and to some extent, focus.
Epinephrine and a closely related molecule
called norepinephrine
and again, I want to emphasize
that epinephrine is adrenaline
and adrenaline is epinephrine.
Norepinephrine is noradrenaline
and noradrenaline is norepinephrine,
but today we're going to just simply talk about
epinephrine and norepinephrine.
That category of neuromodulator
is mainly responsible for generating our energy,
our level of fuel
and baseline level of
forward center of mass, as I like to call it.
You can also think of it as how high your RPM are.
Now we're not a car
and the car analogy sort of falls apart
as we go further into the biology,
but it's a decent one for now.
When epinephrine levels are high,
we tend to feel agitated,
we tend to feel like we want to move,
we tend to feel like we can't shut down our thinking
and our anticipation of what's going to happen next.
And when epinephrine levels are very, very low,
we actually have less physical energy.
We tend to have less mental energy
in terms of generating thoughts very quickly
and so on and so forth.
And as I mentioned before,
dopamine and epinephrine are closely related
so much so that we know for a fact
that epinephrine is actually manufactured
from the molecule dopamine.
So that's why I'm talking about these two neuromodulators
in very close juxtaposition
because they do indeed collaborate with one another.
But for sake of today's discussion,
we can just think of epinephrine as increasing energy,
adrenaline increases energy in our state of readiness.
It also, I should mention, activates our immune system.
Contrary to popular belief
that stress inhibits our immune system,
epinephrine is deployed,
it's released at great levels in our brain and body
when we are stressed.
And that actually protects us
against infections of multiple kinds,
at least in the short-term.
That and all the details of that
and tools related to that
were covered in our episode on the immune system,
if you want to check that out.
Now the neuromodulator serotonin
creates a number of different states in the brain and body,
but for sake of today's discussion,
we're going to think about the predominant states
that it creates
and those are states of contentness,
being happy, feeling fairly relaxed,
feeling soothed and to some extent,
even some relief from pain or lack of pain.
Serotonin is associated with a feeling of satiety
of having enough of what we already have.
Now when serotonin is very, very high,
people can even be sedate.
They can be completely amotivated,
no motivation to seek out things
like food or sex or work or et cetera.
Whereas when serotonin levels are very low,
people can actually exhibit agitation
and high levels of stress.
So the levels matter here,
but again, for sake of today's conversation,
when we leverage serotonin,
we are really leveraging a neuromodulator
that tends to increase the activity
of neural circuits in the brain and body
that make us feel relaxed and happy.
And it tends to decrease the activity of neural circuits
that make us rabidly in pursuit of things
that we don't have, right.
The opposite of content and sated
is motivation, desire and hunger and thirst
for things that we don't have.
So serotonin is the molecule of peace.
It is the molecule of contentness.
It is the molecule of having enough,
at least for the time being
or the feeling that we have enough for the time being.
Now acetylcholine is a fourth category of neuromodulator
that as I mentioned earlier, is somewhat not totally,
but somewhat distinct from any direct control
by the major hormone systems of the body,
or at least the major steroid hormone systems.
And acetylcholine we can say
is mainly associated with states of focus.
And we can go a step further and say
that it's mainly associated with steps of focus
as they relate to learning and encoding new information,
so called neuroplasticity.
Now neuroplasticity,
or the brain and nervous system's ability to change
in response to experience
can be impacted by an enormous number
of different chemicals, not just acetylcholine,
but acetylcholine has a particularly potent ability
to open up the thing that we call neuroplasticity
to allow plasticity to happen in one moment
whereas in a previous moment,
it could not occur
because acetylcholine had not been released in the brain
or in the spinal cord.
So acetylcholine is involved in focus and in learning,
but it is not necessarily always associated
with learning in the context of highly motivated,
really ramped up states.
It can be,
but acetylcholine can also be released
and can encourage the learning
and neuroplasticity associated with calm states.
For instance, if somebody has a newborn child,
we know that they are flooded with oxytocin,
which has actually even been called the love hormone
or it does many things in addition to control feelings
of romantic attachment
and attachment to children, et cetera.
It does all of that, but it does a lot more, as well.
But when people have a new child,
they also tend to be hyper-focused on that child,
not just its well-being,
but they narrow all their thinking,
all their vision,
all their hearing to that child
and there are obvious adaptive reasons
for wanting to do that.
I recall a family dinner we had.
Gosh, this was over 10 years ago.
We had a couple over.
My mom was in the habit of inviting people over
who didn't have places to go on the holidays,
'cause that's just who she is
and I think it's quite nice.
So she brought over this couple, they had a newborn,
I think this baby had been born
maybe two or three weeks before
and it was seated or not seated [laughs].
It was lying down.
I couldn't see it.
It was like a potato bug.
It could barely hold its head up.
But it was lying in a little bassinet on the floor
as we ate dinner.
And it was almost hilarious, it actually was hilarious.
We laughed a lot about this,
that the entire meal,
they were basically staring at this baby.
They were so clearly in love with the baby
and so flooded with oxytocin and also prolactin
that they couldn't take their focus off this baby.
It was actually really wonderful and endearing to see.
But in addition to that,
I'd be willing to bet
had I been able to do a little bit of microdialysis,
which is a ability to
measure the amounts of neuromodulator
given location in the brain,
had I been able to do that experiment on them
in that moment, I would've found that levels
of acetylcholine were exceedingly high
because they were so hyper-focused on this child,
not just in love with, but focused on that child.
And without a doubt,
the neural circuits related to focus
and plasticity were heavily engaged
again for obvious adaptive reasons related to child rearing
and learning the coos and cries
and pain signals and pleasure signals of one's offspring.
So we have dopamine associated with motivation,
drive and pursuit and to some extent, focus.
We have epinephrine and norepinephrine associated
with energy of having a forward center of mass,
mentally and or physically.
We have serotonin,
which is associated with a peaceful,
content, sated state of being.
And we have acetylcholine,
which is associated with focus
and in particular focus as it relates to learning
and encoding new information.
So let's say you want to be more motivated.
You want to be more in pursuit of goals.
And you want to have more energy and to be more focused.
There are many ways to go about that.
In fact, there's a near infinite cloud of opportunities,
everything from prescription drugs to illicit drugs,
which I certainly do not recommend,
supplements, nutrition.
You can listen to particular music.
You can do all sorts of cognitive behavioral,
nutritional supplementation tricks.
Or you can just understand
that what you're really after are increases in dopamine
above baseline that you control
and there are ways to control them that are quite potent
and science tells us which tools
are going to be the most potent
and the most versatile for you.
So I'm going to share those tools with you now
with the caveat that each one of those tools
could be its own entire podcast episode,
and that we've done near entire episodes
on each of these tools or small collections of these tools.
So I'm going to cover these in somewhat superficial manner.
We can provide links to previous episodes
that relate to each of these tools in detail,
but I'll give you enough detail about them
that would allow you to incorporate them into your routine
should you choose.
Let's say you want to increase dopamine
for sake of increasing motivation.
The first thing to do is
to understand what the natural behavioral tools are
for increasing dopamine
and to do those as consistently as possible.
Again, these are tools that you'll want to do
nearly every day, if not every day.
And I know I'm sounding like a broken record on this one,
but here again, we come to sunlight
and I should say,
not just the desire to,
but really the need
for viewing the maximum amount of sunlight
that one can reasonably get
given schedules and locations in the world,
time of year, et cetera,
in the early part of the day,
within the first hour of waking, ideally,
but certainly in the first three hours of your day,
you are going to want to maximize sunlight exposure
to your eyes.
Never look at the sun or any other light so bright
that it's painful to look at.
And yes, of course blinking is fine,
but no, take sunglasses off,
go outside once the sun is out
and get some natural light in your eyes.
And if it's appropriate
or I should say in a way that's appropriate,
maximize the amount of sunlight exposure to your skin,
but please don't get burned.
Please do wear sunscreen if you're prone to getting burned.
Typically early day sunlight is not going to burn you,
at least not most people,
unless you're extremely fair-skinned.
So don't get burned.
Do what you need to in order to protect yourself from burn.
There's some emerging controversy about sunscreen
and which ones are safe and which ones aren't safe.
We have not done an episode on that yet,
but I find it to be an important and interesting topic.
Darya Rose, Dr. Darya Rose, I should say,
has a podcast called The Darya Rose Podcast
and did an episode all about sunscreens,
which are safe, which are not safe,
by interviewing an expert on that
so I refer you to that podcast as it relates to sunscreen.
But get some natural light exposure in your eyes.
And if you wake up before the sun comes out,
turn on as many bright lights inside
as you can turn on reasonably
given your electric bill, et cetera.
Get a lot of bright sunlight exposure early in the day
and get a lot of sunlight exposure to your skin
in the early part of the day,
in a way that doesn't burn you,
meaning burn your skin or blind you, please.
Please don't do anything that harms your vision
like stare into a bright light, that's painful.
What does that do?
Well, it sets in motion a number
of different biological cascades.
Some are very fast.
There are fast actions of sunlight
that will trigger for instance,
dopamine release from different parts of your brain
and your endocrine system.
And we now know that it increases levels of genes
related to thyroid hormone
and actually increases certain dopamine receptors.
So there's a wonderful paper.
We will provide a link to this paper
that shows that sunlight exposure
can actually increase the amount of so-called DRD4.
This is a particular type of dopamine receptor,
the dopamine receptor four.
The genes for dopamine receptor four
are actually under photic control.
So if you get sunlight exposure to your eyes
and it does have to be to your eyes
in the early part of the day,
you increase the amount of dopamine receptor that you have,
which allows whatever circulating dopamine
happens to be there
to have a greater effect on motivation
and I should say also on mood and feelings
of being in pursuit and generally,
in craving and pursuit of things in life.
Now there's another way to increase the effect
of whatever dopamine happens to be circulating
in your brain and body.
And this again, relates to increasing the number
or the efficacy of the receptors for dopamine.
Now here we're not talking about the dopamine receptor four,
but a different category of dopamine receptors,
the D2 and D3 receptors,
which are expressed multiple places in your brain and body
and bind dopamine,
meaning dopamine parks in them like a parking spot
and allows dopamine
to generally increase the activity of the neurons
and cells that express those dopamine receptors.
How do you do that?
Well, turns out that regular ingestion of caffeine
at safe and appropriate levels,
about a hundred to 250 milligrams
is going to increase the number of D2
and D3 dopamine receptors.
I talked a little bit about this on a previous episode.
Again, we'll provide links to these studies,
but this is an important finding,
I believe, because this is not about the acute,
the immediate effects of caffeine on alertness,
although those occur, too.
When you drink caffeine,
it's going to increase your levels of adrenaline
and so-called epinephrine,
which will increase your energy levels.
It's going to decrease levels of something called adenosine,
which builds up while you're sleepy.
It's going to make you feel less sleepy, more alert,
more energetic.
That's sort of obvious.
But what's less obvious is that it's increasing the number
and efficacy of dopamine receptors
so that whatever dopamine happens to be around
in your system is going to have more of a potent effect.
So how much caffeine should you drink?
That's going to vary from person to person.
Some people are very sensitive to caffeine, others are not.
I tend to be fairly insensitive to caffeine,
'cause I've been drinking it for a long period of time.
But you know, after one or two cups of espresso or coffee,
I feel like I've had enough.
I tend to drink my caffeine early in the day,
which is what I'm going to recommend that you do,
not drinking caffeine past two and certainly not 4:00 PM,
if you're on a typical schedule
and you want to be able to sleep that night,
even if you can fall asleep.
Having too much caffeine in your system is not good
because it disrupts the architecture of sleep.
And now knowing about all the metabolic variability
across the night, according to different stages of sleep,
it should be even more obvious
as to why disrupting the architecture of sleep
would be bad for you.
So limit that caffeine intake to early in the day
and don't go ballistic.
Certainly don't go ballistic in any case,
but for most people anywhere
from 100 to 400 milligrams of caffeine
is going to have this effect.
And this effect again is a slow accumulating effect
by drinking caffeine consistently day-to-day.
I get my caffeine mainly from Yerba Mate tea.
I want to emphasize that it's probably a good idea
to stay away from the smoked mates.
There's some evidence those can be carcinogenic,
but I brew my own Yerba Mate tea,
or sometimes I'll drink coffee or espresso,
or sometimes both frankly,
as long as I'm hydrating enough and I'm getting enough salt,
then I tend to feel fine with that much caffeine.
The other way to increase dopamine
and to make sure that your baseline levels of dopamine
are high enough is to make sure
that you're eating sufficient numbers
of tyrosine-rich foods.
You can look up which foods include tyrosine.
Tyrosine is a precursor to dopamine.
It's an amino acid that is in direct pathway
to dopamine synthesis
and tyrosine foods include things like
certain meats, Parmesan cheese,
very high in tyrosine, for instance.
In fact, there's something called the cheese effect,
believe it or not.
I don't want to go too far off topic,
but the cheese effect is kind of interesting
because certain people will take antidepressants
that are so called MAO inhibitors,
monoamine oxidase inhibitors.
Anytime you hear ASE, that's an enzyme.
They will take these inhibitors
that prevent the breakdown of dopamine
and other so-called catacholamines,
which allow more dopamine to be in circulation.
But if these people eat certain cheeses,
including Parmesan cheese, and there are other foods,
of course that include not just tyrosine,
but one of the derivatives of tyrosine,
called tyramine,
that generates what's called the cheese effect,
which is people get potent migraines,
headaches, blood pressure goes up.
Why, well, because they've got a lot of tyrosine
in their system and dopamine in their system.
And they've got less of the enzyme
that removes that dopamine or limits its action
and so they have an excess of dopamine
and dopamine has effects on blood pressure, et cetera.
So the cheese effect is something to avoid
if you are somebody who's taking drugs
that tap into or manipulate the dopamine pathway,
either for Parkinson's or depressions,
obviously you're going to want to be careful
about adjusting up or down levels of dopamine too potently.
So mind the cheese effect
if you're taking an MAO inhibitor.
There's a lot of information about this online.
For most people, eating foods like Parmesan cheese,
eating foods like certain meats and certain vegetables
also can increase tyrosine levels,
which will increase dopamine synthesis.
So these are ways of modulating, more or less,
the baseline of dopamine that you are able to produce
and the ways that dopamine can have its action
by way of binding to receptors more potently.
Now there are other ways to increase dopamine
in a more acute or directed way,
ways to spike your dopamine,
to enhance your state of motivation, mood, focus and so on.
And in thinking about the vast landscape of tools
that can do that,
we have one category of tools,
which are the really, really bad things
that I don't recommend anybody do.
In fact, I recommend nobody do ever,
which are things like cocaine, methamphetamine, et cetera.
They are incredibly destructive for lives
because of the way that they so potently increase dopamine
and then the crash in dopamine that occurs later.
I mean, they can indeed and often do ruin lives.
So we're leaving those off the table.
There are of course, prescription drugs that many people,
especially people who have clinically diagnosed ADHD,
attention deficit hyperactivity disorder,
rely on and in fact benefit from in many cases,
things like Ritalin, Adderall, Vyvanse.
Nowadays, there's also a lot of interest in use
of things like Modafinil, Armodafinil.
I covered all of those in the episode on ADHD.
And you can find that on HubermanLab.com
and the other places this podcast is found.
Prescription drugs aside because they require a prescription
and a discussion that's in-depth
and appropriate with your physician, healthcare provider.
There are supplements that can very potently
increase dopamine as well,
perhaps not to the extent
that some of those other prescription drugs can,
but certainly to a degree that will impact
and increase dopamine and motivation
and the other states dopamine is associated with.
And the two main categories of supplements
that are very effective in raising dopamine
and here I should provide the caveat
that anytime you're going to add or remove anything
from your supplementation protocols,
please talk to a physician
who is knowledgeable on these topics.
If you're somebody who has,
or is taking drugs for depression or mania,
please be very cautious about manipulating your dopamine
in any case.
I don't just say that to protect us,
I say that to protect you.
But if we were to look at the supplement landscape
and ask which supplement increased dopamine,
there are a vast number of them,
but the three main ones,
the most effective ones that are readily available out there
without a prescription are mucuna pruriens.
This is actually the outside of a velvety bean
that has been extracted and put into a supplement.
Mucuna pruriens is actual L-dopa.
It's 99% L-dopa, which is a prescription drug
that is given for Parkinson's and for other purposes
where increasing dopamine is important.
I don't recommend mucuna pruriens.
I'm not saying that no one should take it,
but I don't take it.
And I don't recommend it
because it tends to so potently
and acutely increase dopamine,
that there's a pretty substantial crash afterwards.
So I avoid it and I don't generally suggest
that anyone take it unless there's really a clinical need,
or they're working very closely with somebody
that can really monitor that.
The other two supplements that can increase dopamine
in a short-term way,
but in a significant way,
are L-tyrosine
so you can buy that as a supplement amino acid.
I sometimes take this.
I would say, I probably take it about once a week maximum
for work bouts or workouts.
I'll take it in dosages of anywhere
from 500 milligrams to a thousand milligrams.
People vary tremendously in their sensitivity
to supplementing L-tyrosine.
I know people that can take two grams.
I know people that can barely take a hundred milligrams.
I know people that the best dose for them
is zero milligrams.
So there's a lot of variation there depending on sensitivity
and they're natural baseline levels of dopamine
and whether or not they're doing a lot of other things
to support dopamine,
but nonetheless, taking L-tyrosine will lead
to fairly substantial increases in dopamine
within about 15 to 45 minutes
and it lasts for about 30 minutes to two hours
and then there's kind of a tapering off.
Some people experience a little bit of an emotional
and or I should say energetic crash, some people don't.
And then the other supplement that I certainly use,
and that I know a number of other people use
is more fast-acting, but more potent,
which is phenylethylamine.
This relates to the so-called PEA molecule,
PEA, P-E-A,
and phenylethylamine increases dopamine
and some metabolites related to dopamine
in ways that really increase energy
and feelings of well-being and motivation.
And again, it's fast-acting.
So my particular protocol,
the one I use is I'll take phenylethylamine
at dosages of about 300 to 600 milligrams
along with some L-tyrosine,
or I'll take it on its own with a molecule,
or I should say a compound
that we'll talk about a little bit later
as it relates to acetylcholine, Alpha-GPC,
but tyrosine and phenylethylamine taken alone or together
will make you feel more motivated and more alert,
more willing and able to lean into
particular motivated behaviors,
whether or not they're physical or cognitive.
If you'd like to learn more about these compounds
and their supplementation and their effects,
I encourage you to check out
the ever valuable website, examine.com.
It's zero cost to access,
and they provide references and some more details
about these sorts of compounds and other related compounds.
Now if we are going to look at behavioral tools
for potently increasing dopamine,
that too is a vast landscape.
And we know based on hundreds, if not thousands of studies
that things like winning at some sort of competition
or succeeding in reaching a goal
can certainly increase dopamine.
We talk a lot about this in the episode
on dopamine, motivation and drive,
but leaving that aside,
there are certain behavioral protocols
that are unrelated to your overall goals and motivations
that can increase dopamine in a very sustained way.
And without question,
the most potent behavioral tool for doing that
is going to be deliberate, cold exposure.
Deliberate cold exposure has been talked about a lot here
and elsewhere in terms of its
ability to do things like reduce inflammation
as a way to test and improve resilience
because uncomfortable cold,
provided its applied safely
is a great way to learn to be more resilient
because you're essentially staying or forcing yourself
to stay in a circumstance
where your system is flooded with adrenaline.
But one lesser known aspect of deliberate cold exposure
is one that's been demonstrated
quite convincingly in humans,
comes from a study published in the year 2000.
I'll link to this study.
I love this study by the way.
Covered it many times on this podcast
because I love it so much and I think it's truly important.
And that's the study from Srámek et al,
entitled, "Human physiological responses
"to immersion into water of different temperatures".
I'm not going to go into this into a ton of detail
for sake of time,
but basically what they show is that
putting people into cold water,
and I should mention the water that they used
in this study wasn't that cold.
They had a bunch of different conditions,
but they had people that got into, for instance,
60 degree Fahrenheit water for up to two hours,
had them sitting there,
had them in a lawn chair up to their neck,
had very long sustained increases in dopamine transmission
and dopamine circulation in their brain and body.
And also some of the other catacholamines,
as I mentioned before,
dopamine tends to collaborate with epinephrine
and vice versa.
Now you don't need to put yourself
into 60 degree Fahrenheit water
to get these kind of sustained increases.
And you certainly don't need to do it for two hours.
We have a strong reason to believe
based on subsequent studies,
in fact, published just this last year,
that getting into much colder water
of say 50 degrees or 55 degrees
or even 45 degrees Fahrenheit
can potently increase dopamine and epinephrine, as well.
And that you don't need to expose yourself
to that cold water for nearly as long.
So perhaps even as short as one minute or even 30 seconds
exposure to really cold water,
can lead to these potent long-lasting increases in dopamine.
Many people will ask which protocols to follow.
For instance, will a cold shower suffice?
Very likely, yes, if your shower gets cold enough.
Do you need ice floating in the bath?
No, it's all about the temperature
not whether or not there's ice present or not.
How long to stay in there?
There are a lot of details
that we don't have time to go into this episode.
Please see the episode on the Use of Deliberate Cold
for Health and Performance.
You'll find that at HubermanLab.com.
We have a newsletter related to this.
It gets into a lot of detailed protocols,
but in general, we can say
that the way to evoke dopamine and epinephrine release
using cold water is to
ideally you would do cold water immersion.
If you can't, you'd use cold shower,
but you want to use a temperature that is safe,
meaning you're not going to have a heart attack,
but that is uncomfortable
such that you really want to get out
and then staying in for anywhere from one minute
to 10 minutes, depending on how cold adapted you are,
and then getting out
and drying off and going about your day,
unless you have some other protocol
that you're trying to extract from the cold.
So this is a cold exposure protocol
specifically aimed at increasing dopamine.
For some people out there, you might think
this is kind of silly using cold water to increase dopamine.
But when you look at the data in humans
on the effect of cold water exposure
to stimulate long-lasting, very significant increases
in dopamine and epinephrine,
I think you'll agree that this is a really potent tool
that provided its given safely and gone about safely,
is giving you the kinds of increases in dopamine
that you would seek using prescription pharmacology.
Now it shouldn't be used as a replacement
for prescription pharmacology,
although people have done that to success.
One of the previous guest on the Huberman Lab Podcast
was Dr. Anna Lembke, our director
of the Dual Diagnosis Addiction Clinic at Stanford.
She has an amazing book called "Dopamine Nation",
all about dopamine and both its uses, healthy,
and its perils in things like addiction.
And she describes a patient of hers
that used deliberate cold exposure
to try and maintain dopamine levels
while coming off of drugs
that were increasing dopamine so potently
that they were putting him down the path of addiction.
So the use of cold water for increasing dopamine
is a real tool.
It's, I would say, a power tool.
In fact, it's the kind of thing that if you want
to increase dopamine for sake of motivation,
it might be your first go-to
provided you're also doing the things
to maintain dopamine baseline
like sunlight exposure in particular,
making sure you're getting sufficient amounts
of tyrosine-containing foods and so on.
And now just very briefly,
I want to point to a few quick tools
that good peer review data tell us
can be leveraged in order to make sure
that you have sufficient dopamine when you want it
or that it's available for it to be released
by any number of the tools I provided thus far.
And those are sufficient number of B vitamins.
So it turns out that B vitamins,
in particular B6 or vitamin B6,
can potently reduce prolactin levels.
And again, prolactin and dopamine tend to work
in kind of push pull fashion.
That said you should be cautious
about taking excessive levels of B6.
It is a vitamin that if you take too much,
you'll likely excrete it through your urine,
but there is evidence that having
excessively high levels of B6
or supplementing with excessively high levels of B6
can cause some peripheral neuropathy,
some death of nerves in the periphery.
If you want to know what dosage levels are relevant there
just simply look it up online.
There's a lot of information about this.
But you do want to make sure
that you're getting enough B6, B12, et cetera,
such that you can keep prolactin levels in check.
And if you suspect that you have a dopamine deficiency,
please talk to your doctor
and talk to them about ways you might adjust
that prolactin down and thereby dopamine up.
The other way to ensure that dopamine levels stay high
or put differently,
that you don't quash whatever dopamine
you have in your system
is to really avoid bright light exposure to your eyes
between the hours of 10:00 PM and 4:00 AM
or another way of putting this
because I realize people sleep
at different times, et cetera,
is to avoid bright light exposure to your eyes,
not just blue light, but all colors of light
in phase three, that is 17 to 24 hours after waking up
because that's really when you should be asleep
or trying to get asleep, if you're having trouble sleeping.
Work from Samer Hattar's lab,
the director of the chronobiology unit
at the National Institutes of Mental Health,
again, a previous Huberman Lab Podcast guest,
tell us that bright light exposure
in phase three of your circadian cycle,
17 to 24 hours after waking,
can have dramatic effects in reducing dopamine levels
by way of activating a neural circuit
involving something called the habenula.
I don't want to get into too many details right now,
but really try and keep the lights dim
in the middle of the night or off,
if you can do that safely.
It's really going to help
if you're turning on your phone brightly,
if you are turning on bright lights,
it's not just going to negatively impact melatonin,
the hormone that helps you fall and stay asleep.
It's also going to negatively impact dopamine levels,
not just that night, but the subsequent day.
So that more or less summarizes our coverage
of ways to use behavior and supplementation and nutrition
to increase dopamine
and dopamine receptor efficacy and number,
and to keep sufficient amounts of dopamine
in your system day-to-day for motivation, mood and focus.
And of course, keep in mind those things
that can suppress dopamine,
the bright light exposure,
elevated prolactin, and so on.
My hope is that by understanding those tools
and how they work
and understanding that dopamine does certain things
and not others
that you can assemble a versatile kit of behaviors
and other things that you can do
in order to adjust your dopamine levels
according to your particular goals.
I want to just briefly return to the fact, however,
that all of that is riding on that phase one,
phase two background,
meaning, it's probably going to take less cold water exposure,
or I should say less time doing cold water exposure
early in the day
to get a big increase in dopamine
than it would later in the day.
Because later in the day, your baseline levels of dopamine
are lower and you've got more serotonin circulating.
That should make sense to you now as to why that's the case.
And does that mean
that you should really modify your protocols dramatically?
Probably not, but you might keep that in mind
that if, for instance, you need to be in a highly motivated,
focused state in the late part of the day,
for whatever reason,
it might take a few or more of these tools
in combination in order to accomplish that.
Whereas if you're somebody who feels pretty good
during the day, but you're kind of lacking motivation
and you want to increase dopamine levels
and you don't yet need to,
or want to resort to prescription drugs or supplementation,
well, then you might layer in a couple behavioral protocols
paying attention to of course,
the things that you might be doing
that would also potentially suppress dopamine.
So again, that kit of tools is designed
for you to play with, if you choose,
if it's safe for you to apply them, then do that.
Consider doing them individually,
not trying to hit all the tools all at once, right?
I mean, why throw all those tools
at your dopamine system at once?
Better would be to have those tools in your kit
and be able to deploy them depending on
whether or not you're on travel,
whether or not you're eating well or less well,
whether or not you're sleeping well or less well.
That's highly individual
and I'd like to think that in having those tools in hand,
you'll be able to adjust them and apply them in the ways
that allow you to access the dopamine increases
that you're after.
So next I'd like to talk about epinephrine,
also called adrenaline.
I want to point out that epinephrine
is released both in the brain and the body.
In fact, there's a barrier between brain and body
that prevents the epinephrine that's released
from your adrenal glands,
from crossing the blood brain barrier.
So your brain has a separate site
called the locus coeruleus.
This is a collection of neurons in the back of the brain
that kind of sprinkler the rest of the brain
with epinephrine
and essentially wakes up
whatever neural circuits happen to see, or I should say,
wake up any circuits where that epinephrine
happens to arrive, right,
and generally increase the excitability of those networks.
That's why we say epinephrine increases energy.
I'm not talking about caloric energy,
although that's distantly related to this,
but really energy and the desire to move,
the feeling that we can think,
the feeling that we can be alert.
In fact, if you look at somebody
and their eyelids are wide open,
in large part,
that's because of a lot of adrenaline in their system.
If their pupils are really big
and their eyes are really wide open,
in general, that means they have
a lot of epinephrine circulating there,
whereas when we're tired and we're kind of hood-eyed
and we're sort of sleepy,
or our pupils are really small,
in general, that's because levels of epinephrine
and also dopamine, remember they work together,
levels of epinephrine and dopamine tend to be lower.
This is also why when people take any drug,
like again, not recommending this,
amphetamine or cocaine or any stimulant,
their pupils tend to be huge.
Their eyes tend to be wide open.
They don't blink very often.
And the opposite is true when people take sedatives.
So it all starts to make sense
when you think about the basic actions of these things.
For many people, increasing adrenaline or epinephrine
might seem like a crazy idea.
Most people probably associate this molecule with stress
and then would like to be less stressed.
And we've done entire episodes about stress,
how to master stress, how to leverage stress,
how to conquer stress.
There are a lot of great tools to do that
that are behavioral, supplementation-based.
Please see the episode on Mastering Stress for those tools,
but there are people, including me,
that want to increase our levels of epinephrine
at least early in the day.
I'm somebody who wakes up rather slowly.
In fact, right after waking up,
I rarely want to bounce out of bed.
I try and push myself to do that.
I'm always impressed by these chakra-willy types
that are up at 4:30 or up at five and already into action.
I tend to be kind of thinking about
thinking about maybe being in action early in the day,
but I try and push myself to get into action,
which itself can increase epinephrine.
I should mention that any physical activity,
any physical activity,
walking, running, weight lifting, swimming,
even talking for that matter
is going to increase levels of epinephrine.
Locus coeruleus is a brain structure
that is tightly coupled with behaviors
in a bidirectional way.
That is, when you are in action,
you increase the amount of epinephrine released
from locus coeruleus.
You wake up the brain.
And conversely, when locus coeruleus is active,
the brain wakes up, so it's reciprocal.
It goes both directions.
So I saw a funny tweet actually earlier today,
it was something like
going to the gym gives you energy,
but you need energy to go to the gym.
Sounds like a pyramid scheme to me,
which made me chuckle.
But of course overlooks the fact that,
indeed, if you have energy,
you are more likely to be willing
to get into physical movement
or cognitive movement and thinking hard
or thinking a lot about something.
But also it is absolutely scientifically proven
that being in action
increases levels of epinephrine.
This is why exercising early in the day
gives you more energy for rest of day.
You still might experience a little bit of a crash
in the afternoon,
especially if you're getting up extra early,
or if you're drinking caffeine too close to waking.
I've talked about this before.
If you drink too much caffeine close to waking,
you're going to have an afternoon crash.
Better to push that caffeine intake out
about 90 to 120 minutes after waking.
I know this is really painful for certain people,
but caffeine does increase epinephrine.
Caffeine does other things to limit sleepiness.
And by pushing it out 90 to 120 minutes after waking,
you will avoid the afternoon crash to a large degree.
And if you get up and you exercise
or even do any movement of any kind,
a hundred jumping jacks or a walk, if you can't do that,
anything like that will increase
the total amount of epinephrine that you secrete
into your bloodstream and in your brain
and will get you more energy,
not just in that moment, but throughout the day.
So keep that in mind.
Exercise does indeed give you energy.
It burns caloric energy,
but it gives you neural energy
by way of increasing epinephrine transmission
from locus coeruleus.
And presumably if the exercise is intense enough,
adrenaline, epinephrine release,
from the adrenals within your body, as well.
So we have exercise and we have caffeine
as potent tools for increasing epinephrine
and thereby, energy.
Another potent tool that's purely behavioral,
but is known to work,
based on excellent studies in humans.
And actually my laboratory has been doing
similar types of studies
that are soon to be published, we hope,
is so-called cyclic hyperventilation.
Some of you may be familiar with Wim Hof breathing.
There's also Tummo breathing, which is very similar,
Kundalini breathing.
All of those styles of breathing
involve cyclic hyperventilation,
deep inhales, and either passive exhales or active exhales,
but repeating, inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale,
in a very deep and repetitive way.
If you were to do that right now,
doesn't matter if you do it through your nose or mouth,
although ideally you would do the inhale through your nose
and the exhale through your mouth,
if you did that for 25 repetitions,
25 inhales and exhales, you would feel more alert.
You'd also feel more warm, why?
Because you increased epinephrine, adrenaline release
in the brain and body.
It works the first time and it works every time
to increase epinephrine and thereby energy.
And in fact, there are protocols
and great scientific studies
of using cyclic hyperventilation
for periods of minutes, if not longer,
where for instance, you would do 25 big inhales and exhales
followed by a brief breath hold with your lungs empty,
then repeat 25, then brief breath hold,
excuse me, exhale, hold your lungs empty.
And then repeat again for a third round, if you like.
If you do that over and over, you're going to be very alert.
You're going to have more energy.
You're going to feel like
you want to move around a lot more.
In fact, you might even feel agitated.
So people with a lot of anxiety
or prone to panic attack might want to be cautious
in how they train and embark on that type of breathing,
might want to approach it a little more carefully
or avoid it altogether.
But for most people,
cyclic hyperventilation is simply going to
get you more energized and feeling like you want to move,
feeling like you can think more clearly,
and you'll be more wide-eyed and alert
because you are releasing adrenaline.
And the cold water exposure protocol
that I talked about earlier
and that's covered in our episode on cold
and in the newsletter on cold.
Well that, as I mentioned earlier,
potently increases dopamine, but also epinephrine.
So that's another terrific tool,
whether or not it's applied by cold shower or cold immersion
or some other thing like cryo,
that is going to make you more alert
because it releases adrenaline.
Now we can't really say that there are foods
to increase epinephrine.
Rather, there are foods that include a lot of tyrosine
that will increase dopamine.
And remember, dopamine is the molecule
from which epinephrine is synthesized.
So we can't really point to a particular food
or categories of food for increasing epinephrine.
I think caffeine and things like it
will increase epinephrine.
There are of course prescription drugs
that will increase epinephrine.
And of course,
there are all sorts of so-called beta blockers
that will block the receptors for epinephrine
to make you feel calm for public speaking
or for various heart conditions, et cetera.
That's really the domain of physicians
and should really be worked out with your cardiologist,
with a physician et cetera.
I think the tools of exercise
and should you want very potent increases in adrenaline,
high intensity exercise,
as well as the tools of caffeine, cyclic hyperventilation
and deliberate cold exposure,
really combine to give you a nice little kit,
I would say a versatile kit,
of ways to increase epinephrine
for sake of having more physical and mental energy.
So next is the neuromodulator acetylcholine.
And as I mentioned earlier,
acetylcholine is associated with states of focus
and those states of focus
can be high energy states of focus.
So the ones that are accompanied by
high levels of dopamine and epinephrine
and where we're really excited about
and really lasered in on something,
or they can be the calmer, more relaxed states of focus
like reading a book or practicing music
or listening very carefully to somebody
in a way that's relaxed and calm.
And yet nonetheless,
where we have a narrow cognitive
and typically a narrow visual aperture,
and typically also a narrow auditory aperture.
That is our auditory system and our visual system
and our thinking can be very broad.
It can be all over the place.
Or it can be very narrow.
And it can be very focused.
Acetylcholine is released from two major sites in the brain,
nucleus basalis, which is in the forebrain
and extends connections out to many different brain areas
to offer the opportunity to release acetylcholine locally
and more or less in a chemical way,
highlight those particular neurons and synapses
for strengthening, for plasticity later.
And it is released from sites in the back of the brain
in a way that can increase
the so-called fidelity of information coming in
through our eyes, our ears, our nose, et cetera.
What do I mean by fidelity?
Well, we are constantly being bombarded
with sensory information through all of our various senses
and acetylcholine released from this area
in the back of the brain,
has the ability to increase the extent to which
say, visual information
or just visual and auditory information
would make it through to our consciousness
whereas all the other types of sensory information
that are coming in are filtered out.
So your brain, because it's taking in all this information
needs to decide what to pay attention to.
And in this way, we can say that acetylcholine
has a lot to do, not just with "focus", in air quotes,
but literally attention,
which neural signals become relevant to our consciousness.
There's a whole discussion to be had there
and we don't have time for that.
Rather, I'd like to focus on what are the tools
that one can use
to maintain healthy baselines of acetylcholine
and increase acetylcholine for sake of learning
any type of information, physical, cognitive, or otherwise.
Now it turns out there have been a lot of studies,
including many quality peer reviewed studies
carried out in humans,
looking at what happens
when you increase acetylcholine levels in the brain
and you accompany that with the attempt to learn.
And what you find almost always
is that people experience increased focus,
that when measured the neuronal responses
become more specific,
so less broad scale activity in the brain
and more specific neural circuit activity
and that this triggers immediate and long-lasting changes
in the way those circuits work,
even when acetylcholine is not being deployed,
so-called neuroplasticity, the circuits literally change.
So this is great.
The work of Michael Silver at Berkeley,
the work of Mike Merzenich at UCSF,
the work of Michael Kilgard down in Texas,
all of those laboratories
see this again and again, and again.
Increase acetylcholine before and during learning.
And there's a much higher probability
that the learning will quote, unquote,
"sink in", that the information will be retained
because those neural circuits change.
Now ways to increase acetylcholine in a potent way
include again, nutrition and supplementation.
It is important to have baseline levels of acetylcholine
be sufficiently high, as well.
And for that really the ideal situation
is to regularly ingest foods that provide enough
of the precursors for acetylcholine to be made.
If you go online and you were to do a search
of which foods contain a lot of choline,
which is related to the synthesis of acetylcholine,
you would get some interesting information back.
For instance, beef liver
is the most potent source of choline.
I know nowadays there's kind of a growing micro trend
if you will, of ingesting beef liver,
even raw liver, which to be honest,
the thought of ingesting raw liver of any kind
activates my area postrema,
which is the area of the brain that triggers nausea.
In fact, I'm starting to salivate a bit,
not because I'm hungry,
but I think the whole concept makes me ill.
Nonetheless, cooked liver
or raw liver for that matter,
or liver of any kind seems to contain a lot of choline.
I realize most people,
most people are not going to be running out
and ingesting large amounts of beef liver.
Eggs contain a lot of choline.
Beef contains choline.
Soybeans contain choline.
So there are vegan or non-meat sources,
chicken, fish, mushrooms, kidney beans,
these sorts of things contain a lot of choline
and there are other vegetables that contain choline.
So depending on your dietary preferences and needs,
you can select certain foods to ingest,
to get enough choline to synthesize
enough baseline acetyl choline.
In the realm of supplementation,
there are some excellent tools
for increasing acetylcholine
in the acute short-term,
meaning over the course of about 30 minutes
out to about two hours or maybe even four hours.
And the number of different molecules that can do that,
that are available without a prescription,
at least in the US, is pretty vast.
The most common of those molecules is actually nicotine.
Nicotinic acetylcholine receptors
are abundant throughout the body and brain.
They're in various brain circuits.
They are on muscle and yes,
smoking nicotine either by vaping or cigarette
will activate those nicotinic receptors.
But of course, smoking is a terrible thing.
It will also activate things like lung cancer.
So I definitely don't recommend that.
It also activates addiction because of the ways
that it triggers activation of the dopamine circuit.
So I think that triggering activation
of acetylcholine-related pathways by ingesting nicotine
by way of inhalants is generally a bad idea.
However, some people will chew Nicorette
or other nicotine type gums.
I've never done that,
but I have friends who actually rely on that.
These are typically former smokers
that are trying not to smoke,
but still want to get some of the focus enhancement
that they experience from nicotine.
Some people are very sensitive to nicotine,
and this is important.
Some people are very sensitive to ingested nicotine.
So nowadays there are nicotine-dipped toothpicks,
there of course, is nicotine gum
and other sources of nicotine.
Some people can take that and feel fine.
Some people take it and feel absolutely terrible.
I confess, I've never actually tried nicotine
in any of those forms so I don't know how they work for me,
but some people do use them as cognitive enhancers.
In fact, I know one Nobel prize winning neuroscientist,
who's quite well known in our field
for chewing Nicorette all day long.
He insists that it really helps him with his focus
and he is exceedingly smart and productive,
although I'm sure there are other reasons for that.
Supplements that I have used and do use
for increasing acetylcholine
are things like Alpha GPC or Huperzinene.
Alpha GPC
is in the choline pathway,
such that more acetylcholine is synthesized
after you ingest it.
That's the general logic or framework of how it works.
Whereas Huperzinene is mainly in the enzymatic pathway.
It tends to adjust how much acetylcholine is broken down
and lead to net increases in acetylcholine.
I will often take 300 milligrams of Alpha GPC
prior to workouts or prior to cognitive work bouts.
But when I say often, I tend to do this anywhere
from three to four times a week, typically not every day.
Although there are people
including people who are trying
to offset age-related cognitive decline,
that will take 300 milligrams of Alpha GPC
three times a day, every day,
which closely mimic some of the studies
that have been done on humans,
looking at offsetting age-related cognitive decline,
using things like Alpha GPC.
I should point out that there have been a few studies,
a few, not many,
but these studies emphasize that people
who take a lot of Alpha GPC chronically over time
may be at increased risk for stroke.
I think the data are still out on that
and we need more data.
But for me, in terms of thinking
about the risk benefit profiles,
taking 300 milligrams of Alpha GPC,
most certainly does increase my ability to focus.
I've noticed that.
I tend to take it alongside caffeine
and phenylethylamine.
So I take that in combination
either before workouts or workbouts,
really sharpens my focus.
And again, I'm doing that three, maybe four times per week.
And I'm careful to do that in the early part of the day
so that it does not disrupt my sleep.
Although I have taken Alpha GPC
in the second half of the day,
and I had no trouble sleeping at all.
I don't know what the exact half life is of the given form
that's typically in supplementation.
It's actually hard to get that information.
But typically the focus effects wear off after
about two, maybe four hours maximum.
Now one thing that I don't think
has ever been discussed before,
certainly not on this podcast
is that if you take Alpha GPC,
even semi-regularly,
you may notice that a particular feature
of your blood work will increase and that's TMAO,
which is sometimes associated
with increased cardiovascular risk.
This may, again, may relate to some of the potential risk
of very high levels of Alpha GPC ingestion over many years,
increasing stroke risk.
Again, those studies looked at people
who've been taking it for up to a decade,
but in any case,
one way to prevent the increase in TMAO,
if you're taking Alpha GPC at all
is to take 600 milligrams of garlic
because it contains something called allicin.
This was a trick that was handed off to me
by Dr. Kyle Gillette,
who again, was a guest on this podcast some time ago,
talking about hormones and hormone health.
Turns out that ingestion of 600 milligrams of allicin
alongside or even just same day as Alpha GPC
can really clamp those TMAO levels
that would otherwise increase if you're taking Alpha GPC.
And indeed I've done the blood work
and that turns out to be the case.
I saw a spike in TMAO.
I started taking 600 milligrams of garlic
and those TMAO levels came down.
And last as it relates to acetylcholine,
but certainly not least,
just as acetylcholine can increase focus,
focus can increase acetylcholine.
I talked a lot about this in the episode on focus,
but there are behavioral tools
that you can use to enhance focus.
Things like staring at a particular visual target
at the same distance at
which you're going to perform some work
and doing that for 30 to 60 seconds,
narrowing in a very deliberate way, your visual field,
and then moving into a focused work about.
That behavioral practice of narrowing your visual aperture
will increase the amount of acetylcholine transmission
in particular neural circuits
that will then make it easier to focus.
How do we know that?
Well, I covered in that episode,
some of the peer reviewed studies
that relate to protocols
that are now actively being deployed
in schools in China and elsewhere,
where kids are doing deliberate visual focus exercises
in order to increase their mental focus.
And while they're not doing microdialysis
or brain imaging on those kids in real time,
the cognitive effects and indeed the performance effects
in terms of academic ability and output
are pretty impressive.
So acetylcholine increases focus.
We talked about some dietary
and some supplementation-based ways
to improve acetylcholine,
or I should say increase acetylcholine.
And that does in fact lead to increases
in one's ability to focus.
This is why a lot of the prescription drugs
for the treatment
of Alzheimer's age-related cognitive decline
and indeed, even some of the drugs
that tap into treatments for ADHD
also involve the acetylcholine system.
So there's nothing surprising or heretical here,
but it is important to point out
that your behavioral ability to focus
is also related to your ability to access
and deploy acetylcholine.
So never do we want purely pharmacologic treatments
to be the only way that people are increasing
a given neuromodulator.
I always say behaviors first,
then nutrition,
then supplementation.
And then if there's a need,
certainly a clinical need, then prescription drugs,
et cetera, of course administered through a physician.
So let's discuss serotonin.
Serotonin, as I mentioned earlier,
is associated with brain and body states of well-being,
of comfort, of satiety,
and therefore should come as no surprise
that a lot of the prescription drug treatments
for things like depression
involve increasing levels of serotonin
in the brain and body.
That said, anytime you talk about
prescription drugs for serotonin,
we also want to acknowledge that
there are often side effects associated
with increasing serotonin,
in particular, if serotonin levels go too high,
that is if the dosages of those treatments go too high,
people will, for instance,
feel reduced appetite, reduced libido,
increased lethargy, et cetera.
And there's a so-called serotonergic syndrome.
All of that can and should be considered
with a well-trained physician,
so because they're prescription drugs,
controlling the dosage,
deciding what dosage to take,
deciding which SSRI to take
and whether or not to come off those drugs,
how to come off those drugs.
Again, all of that should be handled
with a licensed physician.
That said, there are behavioral tools, nutritional tools,
and supplementation tools
that can tap into the serotonin system,
not to the same degree in potency,
but nonetheless, in ways that can still impact
our feelings of well-being in positive ways.
So let's focus first on the behavioral tools
and some of these might make people chuckle a little bit,
but I want to point out that a lot of these tools
are quite potent.
In fact, they are power tools for modulating serotonin.
And we know that based on human neuro imaging studies,
human and animal microdialysis studies
and other studies that really have evaluated
circulating levels of serotonin
and the particular brain circuits that release serotonin
when people do certain things.
What sorts of things?
Well, for instance, physical contact,
in particular with loved ones,
this can be romantic love.
This can be children, so your own children
or your spouse, even if it's not sexual contact,
friend to friend contact,
even friend to animal contact, you know,
as a former dog owner,
I hope to have another dog soon
'cause unfortunately Costello passed away,
but there is something really comforting
and wonderful about petting your dog.
And certainly, given that many of the studies on serotonin
and these other neuromodulators were done on animal models,
we also know that serotonin is being evoked in the dog
and of course in the child
and in the significant other, et cetera.
So things like holding hands, believe it or not,
hugs, cuddling, et cetera,
can increase serotonin transmission
and they make people feel good.
This shouldn't really come as a surprise.
There's also gratitude.
And we did an entire episode about gratitude.
There's a lot of misunderstanding about gratitude.
Oftentimes when people hear gratitude, they think,
oh, gratitude, this is just being thankful
for what you have and it's kind of a weak sauce effect,
meaning, you know, it's kind of like,
maybe a little serotonin goes up
or maybe there's a little bit
of increased feelings of well-being.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
It turns out, first of all,
that receiving not giving gratitude
is what has the most potent effects
on increasing serotonin and activity of the brain circuits
that involve serotonin
and that lead to increases in feelings of well-being.
So this is interesting.
Receiving much more than giving gratitude
is what activates those serotonergic pathways.
So the takeaway from that is
both give and receive gratitude
and of course, do it in an authentic way.
The other thing about gratitude
that's somewhat counterintuitive is that
observing others giving and receiving gratitude
is immensely powerful for evoking serotonin
and the activity of serotonergic circuits in you,
the observer.
So receiving and observing gratitude
turns out to be the most potent way to increase serotonin
in the brain and body.
And these again are dramatic effects
that are quite long-lasting
and not the sorts of effects
that are going to lead to side effects,
at least there's no reason to think they would.
Now what about nutritional approaches
to increasing serotonin?
Well, just as we have tyrosine as an amino acid precursor
upstream of dopamine synthesis,
we have the amino acid tryptophan,
which is upstream of serotonin synthesis.
And one simply has to go online
and put in tryptophan containing foods
and you will discover that there are a lot of foods
that are enriched in tryptophan
that can lead to net increases in the amount of serotonin
available in the brain and body.
The most kind of famous or infamous of these
is white meat turkey,
the so-called tryptophan effect where people get very sleepy
after eating white meat turkey.
And it is indeed highly enriched in tryptophan
although typically the getting sleepy after eating turkey
is most often associated with the Thanksgiving meal
and the Thanksgiving meal, at least in the US,
is often associated with people vastly overeating.
And so I do want to point out
that if you fill your gut with food,
no matter what that food is,
there's going to be a diversion of blood to your gut
that's going to make you feel sleepy
because there's a diversion of blood
away from other tissues.
So if you eat a lot, you're going to get sleepy, period,
whether or not you eat turkey or some other substance.
Nonetheless, there are a number of foods
that contain a lot of tryptophan
and that some people will leverage
in order to try and increase the total amount
of circulating serotonin available to them
in order to have a modest increase
in overall mood and well-being.
So what are some of these foods?
These are things like milk, in particular, whole milk,
so full fat milk.
I know a number of people choose not to drink milk
'cause they're lactose intolerant.
I'm raising my hand 'cause I'm one such person,
although when I was a kid, I did enjoy milk.
Canned tuna.
Turkey, as we mentioned before, high in tryptophan.
Oats, I am a consumer of oatmeal so that resonates with me.
Cheese and here I read,
although not as high in tryptophan as meat
and other dairy sources,
certain cheeses like cheddar cheeses
can be rich in tryptophan.
Certain nuts and seeds, certain breads.
Chocolate, I know a number of people
will be relieved to hear that.
I know chocolate lovers are always looking
for an excuse to eat chocolate.
I confess I've never really liked chocolate,
except dare I say,
I like the smooth 100% percent chocolates.
I know many people gag when they hear a hundred percent,
but I actually really like them.
And some fruits can be highly enriched in tryptophan,
things like bananas and apples and things of that sort,
although not nearly to the degree of things
like turkey, canned tuna and milk.
I'm sure there are other excellent sources of tryptophan
from the diet, including vegan sources
so please peruse the internet to try
and find the sources that are compatible
with your nutritional program,
if indeed your goal is to increase tryptophan.
Now there are supplements that can increase tryptophan
and can do so quite potently.
One of the ones that has received increasing attention
as of lately is cissus quadrangularis,
complicated name,
when taken in dosages of about 300 to 600 milligrams
can pretty dramatically increase serotonin levels.
In fact, anywhere from 30% to 39% increases
in circulating serotonin.
That's a big increase
and I can provide a link to that study.
The study was focused, not so much on serotonin,
but was focused mainly on treatment of obesity
and appetite and weight loss.
And it should come as no surprise that serotonin,
if increased, might lead to decreases in appetite.
A cautionary note,
cissus quadrangularis may need to be cycled.
How quickly to cycle it,
meaning do you do two weeks on, two weeks off?
Whether or not you need to do more rapid cycling
like two days on, two days off, is a matter of debate.
There are not a lot of data on this just yet.
There are a lot of opinions about this on the internet,
but again, not a lot of quality peer review data.
Nonetheless cissus quadrangularis has been shown
to increase serotonin in humans
and for people that are seeking to increase serotonin
maybe in particular,
for sake of appetite and weight control,
that might be a useful compound.
I know many people also take 5-HTP,
one of the precursors to serotonin
in dosages of anywhere from 300 to 500 milligrams.
Typically people are doing this in anticipation of sleep,
meaning in the final hour of wakefulness
before going to sleep.
I myself have tried 5-HTP prior to sleep
and all I can tell you is that it led to very deep sleep
for about one to three hours.
And then I woke up and I could not fall back asleep.
I ran that experiment twice
before I decided to abandon 5-HTP as a sleep aid.
And that's why I've never put it into our sleep kit
or at least my sleep kit.
And when I refer to the sleep kit,
that's something you can find at HubermanLab.com.
This is zero cost resource
where you can see behavioral tools
and also supplementation tools
that can improve the transition time
into and the depth of sleep.
And none of those rely on 5-HTP supplementation.
That said,
I know a number of people use 5-HTP supplementation
outside of sleep,
or I should say during the daytime
to try and increase serotonin
and it will indeed increase circulating serotonin.
But again, people vary in their sensitivity
to these sorts of things.
Some people might find for instance,
that 300 milligrams of 5-HTP is just far too much.
It blunts their appetite, might even reduce libido.
There aren't a lot of very well controlled studies
looking at this
and so it has to be figured out on an individual basis,
if you decide to approach it at all.
Now one molecule that I've found
to be particularly interesting and useful
and this is one that I haven't talked about yet
on this podcast
is inositol, in particular myo-inositol.
Myo-inositol can have the effect of increasing serotonin
and other neurochemicals,
but primarily at least in terms
of the neuromodulators discussed today, serotonin.
I've been taking 900 milligrams of myo-inositol
every third night or so
as a test of its ability to improve sleep.
And I have to say,
the depth and quality of sleep that I've been obtaining
on myo-inositol is pretty remarkable.
In fact, I've used it alone
and in combination
with the magnesium threonate, apigenin, theanine sleep kit
that I've talked about and that's included in that,
again, zero cost kit that's available
as a PDF on our website.
So myo-inositol is known
to increase circulating levels of serotonin.
It has been explored extensively
in both animal models and in humans
for its daytime use for treating anxiety.
It does seem to reduce anxiety.
And for all sorts of things.
It's been explored for bipolar disorder.
We're going to do an episode about bipolar disorder coming up.
It's been explored for the treatment of migraine.
It's been explored for ADHD.
It's been explored for a huge number
of different conditions of brain and body.
Again, I've been using the 900 milligrams
of myo-inositol in the 30 to 60 minutes before sleep
to improve my sleep
and it has been doing that very dramatically,
especially when I take it alongside
the rest of those sleep kit supplements.
A quick note about myo-inositol
for sake of increasing serotonin.
if you look at the human studies on myo-inositol
that are out there
and in particular focus on the human studies,
what you'll find is that the dosages that are often used
are tremendously high,
things like five grams,
eight grams, 18 grams of myo-inositol
taken throughout the day.
I don't know how people stomach that.
And in fact, many people drop out of those studies
because of gastric discomfort.
And yet I also wonder how people tolerate it
because it has somewhat of a sedative effect
and this kind of anti-anxiety effect.
And I can't even imagine
given my experience with 900 milligrams,
what one would experience taking multiple
or many more grams per day.
So I certainly am not encouraging that.
And the only reason I mention myo-inositol
is that it has a known effect of increasing serotonin.
At least in my experience,
it does not lead to this falling deeply asleep
and waking back up.
Actually to the contrary,
if I wake up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom,
or I wake up at the middle of the night,
for whatever other reason,
I find it far easier to fall back asleep
if I've taken 900 milligrams myo-inositol prior to sleep.
So for me, it's proving to be a quite useful compound.
I'm not aware of having any serotonergic deficiency overall.
I don't consider myself depressed.
And of course I should mention that no supplement
either added or withdrawn from your protocol
should ever be used as a direct replacement
for prescription drug treatments
that your physician has given you.
You should always talk to your physician
anytime you remove or add something to your drug protocol
or prescription protocol, of course.
So we've got behavioral protocols
that as silly as it feels to say,
have been shown to potently increase serotonin,
things like physical contact, cuddling,
holding hands with people that you love, of course, right?
I think if they were people that you despise,
it would have the opposite effect for obvious reasons.
But also receiving gratitude and observing gratitude,
very potent increases in serotonin
and things like cissus quadrangularis,
things like 5-HGP may have their uses, right?
They're very potent at increasing serotonin,
but they do seem to have the need to cycle them
and they are nuanced.
Some people respond well to them,
others like myself don't
and of course, always be on the lookout for dramatic
or even subtle decreases in appetite
or libido or things that you might not want
if you are going to be tinkering
with your serotonergic levels and pathways.
And then myo-inositol actually
is proving to be quite useful to me
and whether or not that's
because of its effects on serotonin
or through some of its other effects on
maybe reducing anxiety,
which certainly I experience
if I wake up in the middle of the night,
I don't like waking up in the middle of the night,
but on myo-inositol,
I sort of seem to not really care that I woke up
and I fall right back asleep.
So the direct source of the positive effects
that I'm getting aren't clear, but nonetheless,
I thought I'd pass it along as a useful tool
because it is out there
and it is available over the counter
and provided you're taking the appropriate safety steps
in considering whether or not to use it or not,
I think it might be a useful tool.
And of course,
as with all the other neuromodulators we discussed,
you have both a baseline of serotonin
and the ability to give
or provide yourself peaks of serotonin
through these various protocols.
The dietary interventions of the sort that I mentioned,
meaning eating foods that are enriched in tryptophan,
those are mainly going to
adjust your baseline levels of tryptophan.
For instance, if you really want to be sleepy,
sure you could eat some white meat turkey
in hopes that that tryptophan will convert to serotonin
and make you sleepy, et cetera.
But in general,
those are going to be pretty long-lasting effects,
especially given the fact that not all
of the tryptophan you will ingest
is going to be converted into serotonin in your brain.
It's going to have other effects
on other tissues and organs of your body.
Nonetheless, if you want to increase serotonin,
providing the appropriate baseline context
is going to be useful.
And again, this is a general theme
of all four of these neuromodulators,
dopamine, epinephrine, acetylcholine and serotonin.
You want to make sure that you have
sufficient baseline levels of those things
through things like diet, regular behaviors,
and then you have the opportunity to use supplementation
and if it's appropriate for you, prescription drugs,
and certain behavioral protocols
to try and get these potent increases,
these acute increases in whichever the neuromodulators
you happen to want to leverage for your particular goals.
So that brings us to the end of at least this exploration
of the neuromodulators,
dopamine, epinephrine,
acetylcholine and serotonin.
Some of you who are regular listeners of this podcast
might be saying, well, we've heard all this before, right?
You had an episode on dopamine.
You had an episode on anxiety.
You had an episode on sleep.
And indeed that's true.
But what I've tried to provide today
is a framework that cuts through all those episodes
and at the same time builds out a new
and what I believe to be
a really important theme and principle,
which is that whether or not you're using nutritional tools
or supplementation or prescription drugs
or any other sort of protocol
to try and create a desired effect of focus
or energy, motivation, relaxation,
you are playing with the same neurochemical ingredients,
just as in the realm of nutrition,
you have macronutrients,
you have proteins, carbohydrates, and fats
that can be adjusted in different ratios
and arranged at different times
in order to achieve certain desired effects.
Well, when it comes to your neurochemistry
and your ability to perform mentally, to perform physically,
and your overall well-being,
you are dealing with a small handful
of especially potent molecules.
And I acknowledge that there are many neuromodulators.
There are indeed many neurotransmitters,
glutamine, glycine, GABA, et cetera.
But today we focused on the main four,
meaning the most potent
and most widespread neuromodulators in the brain and body
that give you access to particular brain states
and body states of the sort that most people desire.
So what I'm hoping is that
rather than decide that any one tool is the most useful
or that any one neurochemical
is most useful for that matter,
that the information that I've provided today
allows you a kit of versatile tools
that allows you to figure out
what levels of dopamine and augmentation of dopamine
are appropriate and necessary for you.
What levels of acetylcholine
and tools for manipulating acetylcholine
are going to be most useful for you
and so on and so forth
because at least at this stage in time,
that is June, 2022,
there is no simple at home test.
In fact, there is no simple laboratory test
that allows us to know whether or not
our dopamine levels are high
and our serotonin levels are low.
We can look at somebody and their behavior.
We can look at ourselves and our own mood and behavior.
And we can infer what those levels may or may not be.
But unfortunately, we don't have a really good test
of dopamine levels or serotonin levels
that would allow us to say,
okay, this person, or I need to increase dopamine two-fold
in order to achieve the kind of motivation that we want.
Unfortunately, that doesn't exist.
Rather, we are confronted with a situation
where we understand
generally what these different neuromodulators do,
the different mental states and physical states
that they tend to put us into.
And we reviewed those.
And we know that there are really potent tools
to adjust those neuromodulators,
if not alone, but in certain combinations,
that is ingestion of caffeine will tap into
and support dopamine and epinephrine.
Increasing dopamine and epinephrine
alongside increasing acetylcholine
will allow us to access certain brain states,
that is focused, alert, energized, brain states,
great for learning and plasticity of all kinds.
Whereas augmenting serotonin is going to put us
into a more relaxed state and so on and so forth.
And I'd like you to keep in mind
that there is no negotiating
the fact that we all have different phases
of our 24-hour cycle
during which those very same neuromodulators
tend to be naturally higher or naturally lower
and I reviewed that at the beginning of the episode.
So my wish for you is that you will take this information,
experiment with it as you see fit for you and in a safe way.
And as you go forward,
to really try and gain intuition and understanding
as to not just how these protocols work,
but how any protocol that you might encounter,
supplement-based, drug-based,
behavioral-based,
how those might tap into these different
major neuromodulator systems.
And from that, to be able to better predict
and evaluate whether or not
they're going to be useful to you,
detrimental to you,
or whether or not they should be used in combinations
that would be more useful to you.
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