Optimize & Control Your Brain Chemistry to Improve Health & Performance | Huberman Lab Podcast #80

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- Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast,

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where we discuss science and science-based tools

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for everyday life.

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[upbeat music]

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I'm Andrew Huberman,

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and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology

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at Stanford School of Medicine.

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Today, we are going to discuss your brain chemistry

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and how to control and optimize your brain chemistry

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for all aspects of mental health,

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physical health, and performance.

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Many times before on the Huberman Lab Podcast,

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and frankly, every time I'm a guest on another podcast,

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I get questions about science and science-based tools

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for things like enhancing sleep,

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enhancing focus,

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enhancing creativity,

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improving relationships,

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getting over grief and on and on,

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all of which are valid questions

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and for which there are protocols that are based in science

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and that work the first time and every time.

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However far more important than knowing a protocol

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is understanding why a given protocol works.

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That's why I'm always hammering on mechanism

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and explaining the cells and circuits and chemicals,

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at least to some detail,

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so that people can understand not just what to do,

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but why it works and therefore,

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how to change a protocol

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as their life circumstances change,

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or as goals change.

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Now today we are going to go even a layer deeper.

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We're going to explore the foundations

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of your biology in your brain and body

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that allow any protocol to work

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because as it turns out,

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all of the protocols out there,

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whether or not it's a breathing protocol

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or a supplement or a prescription drug

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or an exercise routine,

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they all tap into and leverage

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a core set of just a few biological mechanisms.

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That's right,

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beneath everything you are able to do and feel

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and indeed beneath every protocol that allows you

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to change for the better

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and optimize your mental health,

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physical health, and performance,

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there's just a small subset of chemicals

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that you're leveraging toward that change.

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So today we are going to talk

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about the four major pillars of neurochemistry

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that allow you to, for instance,

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be focused when you want to focus,

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that allow you to relax

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when you need to relax and de-stress,

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that allow you to optimize your sleep,

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that allow you to optimize your exercise routine

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or to work through a pain point in relationship

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or in career or in your relationship to yourself.

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So what I can say for sure

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is that by the end of this episode,

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you will have a much richer understanding

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about how your brain and nervous system

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and indeed your entire body work.

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And you'll have a much firmer understanding

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as to which protocols and tools to reach for

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given your particular goals in the moment,

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in the day, across the week, across the month,

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across the year, and indeed across your entire lifespan.

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So what we're really going for today are principles,

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deeper understanding of why any given protocol works

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and we are also going to discuss specific protocols.

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Some of those protocols I've discussed

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on previous episodes of the Huberman Lab Podcast,

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but I must say,

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many of the protocols and tools that I will discuss

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are brand new and based on research

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that I have not discussed at all,

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simply because the research papers came out only recently,

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or these are papers that I only recently unearthed.

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In fact, I'm going to share with you two recent studies

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in a moment that are exceedingly important

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for optimizing your sleep

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and these are studies that, again,

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I've never discussed in any episode on sleep

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or on any other podcast.

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So by the end of today's episode,

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you're going to have far more knowledge

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about your biology and psychology than you did at the start

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and you'll be armed with many more tools

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and most importantly,

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principles so that you can navigate

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not just the tools presented on this podcast,

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but in the vast landscape of tools that are out there

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for mental health, physical health and performance.

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Every so often, I come across a study or set of studies

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that I get so excited about

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that I start telling everybody in my immediate life

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and I insist on also sharing it with you,

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the listeners of this podcast,

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because I find the information

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to be so incredibly interesting and actionable.

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The two studies that I'm going to discuss

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both relate to sleep and sleep states

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and how to access better sleep.

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The first one was published in the journal Cell Reports,

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Cell Press journal, excellent journal.

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And the title of this paper is

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"Rapid and Reversible Control of Human Metabolism

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"by Individual Sleep States".

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We will provide a link to this study in the show captions.

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The first author is Nora Nowak, N-O-W-A-K.

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And basically what they did is they measured

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the different forms of metabolism that occur

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while humans sleep.

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As far as I know,

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this is one of the first studies of this kind.

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There are many studies of metabolism.

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There are many studies of sleep.

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This study focused on how different states of sleep

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such as rapid eye movement sleep,

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which is associated with dreaming

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and high emotional content dreams

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versus slow wave sleep,

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which tends to be more focused on physical repair

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of the body, more mundane dreams,

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how those different states of mind during sleep

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relate to different aspects of metabolism

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and what they found was absolutely fascinating.

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First of all,

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they found that sleep states regulate more than 50%,

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half of all the metabolite features detected

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in human breath.

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What does that mean?

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Well, it turns out that you can figure out

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what humans are metabolizing in particular,

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more lipids or more carbohydrate,

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whether or not they're relying more on glucose metabolism

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based on the contents of their breath.

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This is true during waking and during sleep.

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And this is what allowed them

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to do these incredible measurements

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of what's being metabolized during sleep.

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They measured close to 2000 metabolites in breath,

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every 10 seconds across the entire night's sleep.

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And what they found was that

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there are major pathways related to lipid metabolism,

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fat metabolism,

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or to carbohydrate metabolism

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or other forms of metabolism

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that are up or down regulated as human beings transition

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between slow wave sleep,

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rapid eye movement sleep

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and waking.

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And you might say waking?

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Well, yes, they also looked as people fell asleep

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and as they emerged from sleep.

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And believe it or not every so often during sleep,

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you wake up, you didn't know this,

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but you wake up in the middle of the night,

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you look around and you go back to sleep.

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You're not aware of it because you're still

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in a rather sleep like state, although you are awake.

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What they found was that sleep

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and the various states of sleep

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regulated individual metabolic pathways.

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They found for instance,

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that the switch from sleep to wakefulness

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reduces fatty acid oxidation.

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So that means while you're asleep,

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you're oxidating more fatty acids.

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And as you wake up, that becomes less the case.

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And there's a switch in slow wave sleep

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that increases fatty acid oxidation.

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And there's this transition from rapid eye movement sleep

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to other aspects of sleep

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that brings about things like the so-called TCA cycle.

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Some of you familiar with metabolism

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will be familiar with the TCA cycle,

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the so-called tricarboxylic acid cycle,

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intermediates, that's fancy nerd speak

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for specific aspects of metabolism being regulated

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during this rapid eye movement sleep transition.

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What does all this mean?

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And how is this actionable?

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Well, on many episodes of the Huberman Lab Podcast

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such as the master sleep episode

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and the episode that we're going

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into in further depth today,

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we're going to talk about sleep and how to optimize sleep.

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It's been thought of,

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but not really tamped down

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that quality and depth of sleep and duration of sleep

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is important for metabolism during the daytime.

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And indeed that's the case.

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If people are sleep deprived or they're not sleeping enough,

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things like glucose metabolism, et cetera,

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get really disrupted during the daytime.

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But what this current study shows

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is that the metabolism that you experience during sleep,

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or to be more specific,

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the range of different types of metabolism

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that you experience during sleep

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may serve to tune up

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or to ensure that the specific aspects of metabolism

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that you require during wakefulness are working properly.

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In addition to that,

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this study clearly shows that getting enough sleep

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allows you to transition

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through all the various forms of metabolism

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and use all those different forms

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of metabolites during sleep

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in a way that's immensely beneficial

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for the systems of your brain and body.

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So the take home message here is that,

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as the author state,

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sleep and experiencing the different states of sleep,

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slow wave sleep early in the night, predominantly,

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plus rapid eye movement sleep toward the end of the night

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is extremely important for optimizing metabolic circuits

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for human performance and health.

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In other words, by not getting sufficient duration sleep,

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you're not allowing your body

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and brain to transition through all the different aspects

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of fuel utilization

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and you're not teaching your brain and body

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how to use similar types of fuels during wakefulness.

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So again, all of this points to the fact

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that we need to be getting sufficient quality

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and duration of sleep.

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So if you're sleep deprived, even by an hour or so,

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you're going to get far less rapid eye movement sleep

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because rapid eye movement sleep is what occurs

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toward the end of a sleep night.

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During the early part of the night,

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far more slow wave sleep.

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In getting less rapid eye movement sleep,

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we know it makes you more emotionally labile,

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but now we know it's also going to alter certain forms

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of glucose metabolism

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during the night

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and during wakefulness.

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So that all underscores the need to get sleep.

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But then the question is how to get enough sleep

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and how to make sure you get

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into all these different sleep states.

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And this is particularly important

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for you so-called night owls.

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There's a lot of controversy out there

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as to whether or not different so-called chronotypes exist,

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that is people who just naturally or genetically

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want to be an early bird,

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wake up early and go to bed early.

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So these people that wake up at 4:00 AM

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and would be most comfortable going to bed

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by seven or 8:00 PM or 9:00 PM.

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Then they are so called night owls,

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people that would feel best or tend to feel best

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when they go to sleep at 1:00 AM, 2:00 AM, even 3:00 AM,

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and like to wake up later 8:00, 9:00, 10:00,

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or even 11:00 AM or noon.

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And then of course,

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most people go to sleep somewhere

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between 10:00 PM and midnight

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and wake up somewhere between 5:00 AM and 7:00 AM,

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or I suppose more typically 6:00 AM and 8:00 AM.

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Now whether or not real chronotypes exist

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or whether or not people simply select schedules

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for sleep and wakefulness that they like

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because of their social schedules

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or the activities they enjoy.

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For instance, some people like to really go out,

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they like to go out dancing or hear music,

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or spend time in venues that are only open late at night,

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and don't even open until noon or after.

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Other people like myself rarely go out at night

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but I like to get up early.

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I like to exercise.

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I like to see the sunrise, et cetera.

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So I don't know if I'm a morning person

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or an evening person.

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I just know the things I enjoy

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tend to happen in the early part of the day.

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And the things that I don't enjoy quite as much

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tend to happen late at night.

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Regardless of whether or not

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there are real genetic propensities

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to be a night owl or an early bird

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or a sort of typical person right there in the middle,

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it's very important that people

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have some control over their sleep schedule

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and even more important,

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that people are able to get sufficient amount

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of REM sleep and slow wave sleep,

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for many reasons,

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but including the reasons I discussed

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in the previous study related to metabolism.

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I'm very excited, therefore,

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about a study that came out in sleep medicine.

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This was a few years ago, but somehow I missed this one.

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It was published in 2019.

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And the title of this article is

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"Resetting the Late Timing of 'Night Owls'

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"Has a Positive Impact on Mental Health,

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"Physical Health and Performance".

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This is a study done in humans,

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focusing specifically on people

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that like to stay up late and sleep in,

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but who desire to be able to get up and feel alert

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in order to go to work or study

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and they want to go to sleep a bit earlier.

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And so there are a lot of questions

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embedded in this study in particular,

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whether or not people can actually shift their schedule

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by a few hours or more.

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Some people out there contend that if you're a night owl,

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that's just going to be impossible

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or very, very challenging to do.

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Turns out it's not impossible

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and it's not even that challenging to do

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provided you do the right things.

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Just a brief overview of the study

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and then I'll give you the key takeaways.

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It was a randomized control trial.

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It involved a number of different people,

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both male and female.

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And what they did was they used non-pharmacological,

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practical interventions in a real world setting,

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here I'm paraphrasing.

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They used targeted light exposure.

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They used consistent sleep, wake times.

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They used fixed meal times,

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caffeine intake and exercise.

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And this is one of the reasons I love this study so much

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because I've done episodes

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where I've talked about temperature,

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exercise, feeding, and most importantly,

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light exposure as a way to control

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and shift your sleep wake cycles,

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your so-called circadian timing and entrainment.

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What did they find?

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Well, they found "Significant improvements

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"in terms of mood so far less depression and stress",

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subjectively measured,

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"as well as improved cognitive performance",

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that was objectively measured.

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So improved reaction times,

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improved physical grip strength,

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which is actually a measure not just of strength per se,

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but also of nervous system function

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and a number of things that people could do

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in order to optimize their morning hours,

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even though they were night owls previously.

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What did they have people do?

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Well, I'm going to just going to list this off

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sort of rapid fire succession.

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Then we'll provide a link to the study

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if you want to learn more.

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First of all, they told participants

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to try and wake up two to three hours

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before their typical wake up time,

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two to three hours.

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That seems brutal to me

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and probably seems brutal to you

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if you're somebody who typically wakes up at 10:00 AM

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to try and get up at eight or even 7:00 AM consistently,

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but they were also asked to maximize

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outdoor light exposure during the mornings

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for reasons that if you've listened to this podcast before,

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if you've heard me talk about before,

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you know, that I'm constantly talking about,

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I'll probably go into the grave shouting,

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please get as much light exposure

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from sunlight early in the day as possible

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because it sets in motion

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a huge number of things that are beneficial

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for your mental health and physical health,

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including dopamine production,

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timing melatonin production correctly,

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reducing cortisol peaks late in the day,

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et cetera, et cetera.

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So they asked them to get a lot of outdoor light exposure.

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They didn't give them a specific amount.

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What they said,

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maximize outdoor light exposure during the mornings,

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the time before noon.

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And again, they had them waking up two to three hours

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before their habitual wake up time.

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They were also told,

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and this is very important

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if you're going to shift your schedule earlier,

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to try and keep sleep wake times fixed

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between their work days and their weekends.

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So not sleeping in on the weekends

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or not having any sleep in days,

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regardless of how well they slept the night before.

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How fixed?

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Within 15 to 30 minutes of their pre-designated time.

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So if they were waking up at seven o'clock one day,

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they set their alarm and they made sure they got out of bed

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at seven o'clock every day plus or minus 30 minutes,

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but never later than 7:30,

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never earlier than 6:30.

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Participants were also asked to try and go to sleep

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two to three hours before their habitual bedtime.

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So again, these are people that want to stay up late,

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like 11:00 PM, perhaps,

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but even as late as 1:00 AM or 2:00 AM.

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And now they are asked to go to sleep

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two to three hours before their habitual bedtime

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and to wake up two to three hours earlier,

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as I mentioned earlier.

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They were also told,

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and I love this because it fits with many of the things

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we've talked about on this podcast before,

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to try and limit light exposure during the evenings,

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dim the lights or limit altogether artificial lights.

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Lot of reasons for that,

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I covered that in the Master Sleep episode,

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I covered that in the Optimized Health Using Light episode.

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You can find those at HubermanLab.com.

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They're asking them to do that here.

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And they asked participants to keep a regular schedule

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for their daily meals,

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not eating on the hour consistently,

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you know, at 9:00 AM, noon, 3:00 PM, exactly.

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But within again, about 15 to 30 minutes,

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they're always eating at the same times.

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That was also important.

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And again, that's because we have these so-called

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food in trained circadian clocks.

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When you eat, tells your body when to be alert

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and when you're not eating, when to be asleep.

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And they were told to not drink any caffeine

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after 3:00 PM in the afternoon.

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Another theme that we've talked about on this podcast.

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They were also told not to take naps after 4:00 PM.

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Naps are an interesting feature of the sleep wake cycle.

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To be very brief about this

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and to pull from the episode

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that I did with world sleep expert

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from the University of California Berkeley, Matt Walker,

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naps are great for many people,

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but don't nap if it interferes with your nighttime sleep.

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And in this study, they told them don't nap after 4:00 PM.

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And if you are a napper, don't nap for more than 90 minutes.

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10 minute naps are fine.

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20 minute naps are fine.

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Zero minute naps are fine,

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but don't nap for more than 90 minutes.

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And don't nap after 4:00 PM.

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And to exercise during the morning.

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Now this one can be a bit controversial

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because I know a lot of the PTs out there

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and a lot of the online, you know,

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gym rats and people who,

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and runners too, for that matter,

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will say, well according to body temperature and research,

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it's best to exercise in the afternoon.

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Look, it's better to exercise sometime

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as opposed to no time,

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but if you're focused on how to shift your schedule earlier,

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meaning get up earlier and go to sleep earlier,

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this study had people exercise in the early part of the day,

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certainly before 2:00 PM and ideally before noon.

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So again, this is a really important study

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because it combines a lot of different variables

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to arrive at this very impressive shift

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where people can get up two to three hours earlier

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and then pretty consistently and reflexively

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start going to bed two to three hours earlier,

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feeling more alert during the day,

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again, improvements in cognitive performance,

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mood and physical performance, grip, strength, et cetera.

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Very few studies are able to

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or are willing to tackle so many variables

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and combine them in one study.

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This paper, I think, does a marvelous job of doing this

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and is incorporating things that individually,

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each have some support for them

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in animal studies and previous human studies.

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But as far as I know,

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this is one of the few studies

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that really combines all these different features

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in one place,

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eating times, keeping those consistent,

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getting maximal sunlight exposure earlier in the day,

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getting up at a consistent time,

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going to sleep at a consistent time and on and on.

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It's a really marvelous study for that reason.

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And I think for any of you that are night owls

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and any of you that want to reinforce your early waking

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and early to bed times,

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and I think for most all of you

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who fall into that general middle category

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of tend to go to sleep somewhere

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between 10:00 PM and midnight,

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'cause that's most people

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and tend to wake up sometime between 6:00 AM and 8:00 AM,

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well, maybe you want to become more of an early riser

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or maybe you're going to travel

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or the seasons are changing and you want to shift your time

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or you have a new job, et cetera,

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or something that's actually very common

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in terms of relationship struggle.

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You want to match your wake sleep times,

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or maybe you want to offset your wake sleep times

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from a significant other,

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these sorts of approaches that I described here

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and that are supported by the data in this paper

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are absolutely powerful and science supported.

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And I'm certain that if you were to apply them,

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that you would see essentially the same effects

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that were observed here.

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Before we begin,

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I'd like to emphasize that this podcast

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for a sake of health and performance.

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Now in order to do that,

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we all need to be on the same page

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about some basic facts.

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Some of those basic facts

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involve learning some basic biology.

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And I promise that even if you don't have a biology

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or chemistry background,

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everything I'm about to say should be accessible

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and clear to you.

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The important thing to know

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is that your brain and your spinal cord

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and the rest of your so-called nervous system

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control all the organs of your body

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and that all the organs of your body feed back,

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meaning they communicate through chemicals and other means,

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to your nervous system.

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Now your nervous system plays a particularly important role

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in generating everything from sleep

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to wakefulness, creativity,

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stress, calm, et cetera,

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by way of a particular type of cell-cell interaction.

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And that's called synaptic communication.

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What is synaptic communication?

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Well, in order to understand that

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let's dial back a little bit further

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and try and understand for a moment

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what makes up your nervous system.

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In its simplest form,

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your nervous system is made of nerve cells

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that we call neurons.

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Neurons communicate with one another through chemicals.

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They release certain chemicals that make other neurons

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more or less likely to be electrically active.

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What do we mean by electrically active?

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We mean,

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as it sounds,

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electricity passing down through cells

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and then literally causing electricity in other cells.

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The simplest way to think about this

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is maybe when you were a kid or maybe even still now,

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you would wear socks and you'd shuffle along the floor

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to generate some static electricity,

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and then you'd touch someone [playful whirring]

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and you'd shock them with your finger.

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I'm a younger brother

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so I'd occasionally do that to my sister.

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I had friends, we would do that to one another.

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I know it's kind of silly and childish,

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yet, it illustrates the principle

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that we can generate electricity and pass electricity

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to other beings or in the case of neurons,

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from one neuron to the next.

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The way neurons do that,

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is that in between the neurons,

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they're little spaces,

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those little spaces are called synapses

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and neurons literally vomit,

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well, they don't literally vomit,

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but they release little packets

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of so-called transmitter chemical

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into that space we call a synapse.

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It travels across the synapse.

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It attaches to the cell on the other side,

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the other neuron.

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And then depending on what that chemical is,

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it either makes that next neuron more electrically active

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or less electrically active,

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so called excitation,

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it either excites the next neuron

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to be electrically active also,

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or it inhibits, it prevents the next neuron

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from being electrically active.

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So again, very simply,

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we have nerve cells that communicate with one another

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through electricity and chemicals

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that inspire that electricity

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and the little gaps between neurons are called synapses.

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If you can understand that,

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I'm certain you can make it through the rest of the episode

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and that you'll get all the depth and important detail

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that you need to know.

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But I want to go just a little bit further

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and explain that neurons don't just talk one-to-one.

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There are trillions of neurons in your nervous system

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that allow you to be happy, to be in love,

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to be sad, to be in grief,

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to remember things and so on.

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And what you do at any moment,

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what you feel and what you think

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relates to which so-called neural circuits are active.

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So a lot of times we think about brain areas

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and we've all seen these pictures of the brain

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where, you know, someone was in a fMRI scanner,

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or they were in a brain scanner of some sort,

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and they saw a picture of something

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and a certain area of the brain lights up as it's called.

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That lighting up of the brain really reflects

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the activity of hundreds, if not thousands,

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maybe even millions of neurons in that region.

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Those images of brain areas lighting up

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and indeed talking about brain areas lighting up,

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can be a little bit or a lot misleading

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because in fact, no single brain area

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controls any one single perception

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or behavior or feeling state.

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Rather, we have so-called neuro circuits,

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chains of neurons,

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chains of specific neurons that is,

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that create different states of mind

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that lead to specific behaviors

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that lead to specific emotional states.

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And those neural circuits are made up

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of lots of different brain areas that light up

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in particular sequences.

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And when I say light up, excuse me,

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what I mean is that particular brain areas either excite

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or prevent the excitation,

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that is they inhibit other brain areas

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in a particular sequence.

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Much like keys on a piano played in a particular sequence,

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makes up a particular song,

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particular brain areas activated or made silent

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in a particular sequence

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leads to a particular behavior

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like getting up out of a chair

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or a particular feeling state

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like being particularly happy one day when you wake up

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or particularly depressed,

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whether or not that depression is caused by a life event

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or whether not it arises spontaneously.

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So we have neurons, we have synapses

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and we have neural circuits.

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And vitally important is the fact that

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which neural circuits are active

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and which neural circuits are likely to be less active

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at any given moment,

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depends on two major categories of chemicals.

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It depends on hormones

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and it depends on so-called neuromodulators.

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Now we're mainly going to focus on neuromodulators today

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because those are the things

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that if you can learn to control them,

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and indeed there are tools to control them,

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then you can control which neural circuits

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are more likely or less likely to be active

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in you at any given moment.

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And in doing so,

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you can control whether or not

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you are going to be alert and focused or deeply asleep.

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You can control whether or not

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you are going to be in a creative state

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or whether or not you're going to be in a state of mind

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more fit, more capable that is

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of doing focused work or math

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or more so-called linear types of work

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where there's a correct answer.

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There's a specific thing to follow

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and you're simply going to plug and chug as it were

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through a particular set of steps

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in order to accomplish something.

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Or for instance,

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whether or not you're going to be in a more relaxed

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and creative state where you're thinking about new ideas

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or new ideas just seem to be spontaneously coming to mind.

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All of that can be controlled

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to a considerable extent

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by leveraging these so-called neuromodulators.

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What are neuromodulators?

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Neuromodulators are particular chemicals

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that make it likely

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that certain neuro circuits will be active and not others.

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And the four neuromodulators

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that we're going to talk about today

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that are of the utmost importance for your goals

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are dopamine,

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epinephrine also called adrenaline,

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serotonin and acetylcholine.

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That's dopamine, epinephrine,

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serotonin and acetylcholine.

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Today, I'm going to teach you

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how each of those different categories

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of neuromodulators work

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and the things that you can do

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to control those neuromodulators,

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that is increase them or decrease them

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through behavioral tools and supplementation,

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in ways that allow you to access

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the brain and body states that you want

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at the times that you want.

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Just very quickly.

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I want to talk about how neuromodulators are able to work,

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regardless of whether or not it's dopamine

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or serotonin or epinephrine, et cetera.

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There are many features of how neuromodulators work,

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but for sake of today's discussion,

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we only need to focus on two of those features.

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And those are fast-acting features

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and longer slower features

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or what we call baseline features.

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What am I talking about when I say faster or baseline?

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Well, consider that at any given moment,

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whether or not you're asleep or awake,

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whether or not it's morning or afternoon or night,

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you have some amount of dopamine

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being released in your brain and body,

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some amount of serotonin,

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some amount of epinephrine

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and some amount of acetylcholine.

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It is rarely, if ever the case,

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that you have zero dopamine or zero serotonin.

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You know, so often we hear about someone

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being dopamine depleted

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or these days, you hear a lot about that anyways.

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Or you'll hear that people's serotonin is bottomed out.

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In reality, none of these neuromodulators

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ever disappear completely,

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but they tend to be present at different levels

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or different relative levels.

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Another important thing to point out

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is that they don't work alone.

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In fact, as you'll soon learn,

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dopamine and epinephrine are close cousins

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that collaborate in terms of creating states

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of focus and motivation, for instance,

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or in creating states of energy

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and the pursuit of particular goals.

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When I say they're close cousins,

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what I mean is that they tend to impact

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some of the same neural circuits.

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And believe it or not,

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dopamine and epinephrine are chemically related, too.

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I'll just tell you right now

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that epinephrine is actually derived from dopamine,

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chemically epinephrine, that is adrenaline,

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is made from the molecule dopamine.

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Now dopamine and serotonin can also work together

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to impact certain circuits in the brain.

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But in large part,

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they operate on separate circuits.

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And acetylcholine,

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which you'll soon learn is involved

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in states of focus and can actually open up,

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it can literally create states in the mind

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in which your brain is more plastic

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and able to change and learn more quickly.

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Well, acetylcholine can do that on its own,

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but rarely does it do it on its own.

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More typically, it gets assistance

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from some of the other neuromodulators.

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Now that might seem like it complicates the picture,

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but it actually makes the picture far simpler

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because what we can say for sure

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is that the fast actions of dopamine

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or the fast actions of epinephrine,

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serotonin or acetylcholine

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are actions that occur on the order of seconds or minutes

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or up to about an hour or so.

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Whereas the slower actions of those neuromodulators

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tend to occur on the order of hours, days, or even weeks.

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Now perhaps surprisingly,

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I'd like to focus on the slow actions

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of the neuromodulators first,

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because those slow actions of the neuromodulators

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are happening in you and in me and in everyone right now,

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and they set the backdrop,

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the context in which the various tools

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to manipulate dopamine, epinephrine, serotonin,

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or acetylcholine will work.

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What do I mean by the context

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or the backdrop or the baseline?

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Well, it's fair to say that most people

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are awake during the daytime and asleep at night.

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I do realize that there are people

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who are going to be doing shift work

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or they're raising young children,

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or that might have a sick person at home

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that they're tending to, et cetera,

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or even have insomnia, they're tending to them.

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So schedules of sleep and wakefulness will vary,

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but in general, everybody,

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regardless of whether or not you're nocturnal

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or you're, so-called, diurnal, your awake during the day,

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pretty much everybody follows a schedule in which

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from zero to nine hours after waking,

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that is from the time you wake up

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until about nine hours later,

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the neuromodulators,

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dopamine and epinephrine,

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tend to be at their highest levels that they will be

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at any point in the 24-hour period,

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in any period of the day.

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So we can call this zero to nine hour period

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phase one of the day, just for simplicity.

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And I've referred to this before in a previous episode,

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but not in this exact context.

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From nine to about 16 hours is what we would call phase two.

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And that's when dopamine and epinephrine levels

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tend to subside a bit

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compared to the earlier phase one part of the day

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and serotonin levels start to increase.

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And then phase three of the 24-hour cycle,

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which is from about,

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and again about the zero approximates,

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from about 17 hours after waking

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until about 24 hours after waking

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is phase three of the day.

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And during that time,

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there is chaos in terms of which

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neuromodulators are most present in the brain.

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And by chaos, what I mean is that during sleep,

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you have incredible peaks in acetylcholine

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and drops in acetylcholine.

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You have incredible peaks in dopamine

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and drops in dopamine.

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You have incredible peaks in serotonin

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and drops in serotonin.

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Most often, you are not going to see

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much if any release of epinephrine, adrenaline,

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and that's because epinephrine,

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also called adrenaline,

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tends to wake us up and put us into action mode behaviors

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and that's simply not happening during sleep.

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But for the other three neuromodulators,

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across the night,

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it's sort of chaos.

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You've got peaks and drops and peaks and drops

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in different combinations

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than you would ever see in wakefulness.

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And this plays important roles in dreaming,

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important roles

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in some of the reparative functions of sleep.

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The point is that during that phase three,

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the levels of neuromodulators are all over the place,

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but it's not random, right?

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I say it's chaos, but it's organized

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according to the specific reparative goals of sleep,

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the specific metabolic roles of sleep, et cetera.

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We're not going to focus too much on phase three today

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because phase three of the 24-hour cycle,

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that 17 to 24-hour period,

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is one in which you ought to be deeply asleep,

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whether or not you're nocturnal or diurnal, right?

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17 hours after waking, you ought to be asleep.

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And there are a lot of episodes of this podcast.

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And indeed, today, I started talking about

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two particular studies related to sleep,

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and there are a lot of tools to enhance sleep, et cetera.

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And of course there are things that you can do

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in the late portion of phase two of the day

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in order to enhance your transition time

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into and depth of sleep.

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But you can't really do much during sleep, right?

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You're not taking supplements.

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You're not doing breathing practices.

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There are things to fall back asleep,

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but you're not really doing much during sleep.

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So we're mainly going to focus

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on what we're calling phase one and phase two.

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Phase one, being this dopamine

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epinephrine dominated phase of our day.

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And phase two being this more serotonergic

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or serotonin dominated portion of the day.

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And then you might say,

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well, what about acetylcholine?

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You forgot about acetylcholine?

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Well, we didn't forget about acetylcholine.

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Acetylcholine is under control

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more in terms of what we happen to be doing

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at any given moment,

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whether or not we're focusing or not focusing,

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whether or not we're learning or not learning.

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And here I'm referring to acetylcholine

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specifically in the context of the brain and thinking,

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because as some of you

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are probably shouting out there, right,

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if you're an exercise physiologist

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or you know anything about how the brain controls movement,

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acetylcholine is used at the nerve to muscle synapse, right?

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So neurons don't just control other neurons electrically.

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The way you are able to move in fact

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is because neurons are controlling

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the electric activity of muscles,

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literally the contraction of muscle fibers,

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and that control is exerted

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through the release of acetylcholine.

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So acetylcholine is working at muscles, as well,

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but we're not focused on that today.

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We're focused on what we can do

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during phase one of the day

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and what we can do during phase two of the day

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to control the specific neuromodulators,

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dopamine, epinephrine, serotonin, and acetylcholine,

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toward particular end goals.

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And as I've been harping on for the last five

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or 10 minutes or so,

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it is important to understand

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that in the early phase one part of the day,

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again, zero to nine hours,

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dopamine and epinephrine already

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dominate the neuromodulator landscape.

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That is they are already elevated

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and then they will taper off in phase two.

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Whereas in phase two of the day,

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serotonin tends to dominate

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more than dopamine and epinephrine.

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And so if you think about that,

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what it means is that if your goal

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is to increase serotonin

Time: 2411.67

in order to get some particular effect

Time: 2414.49

on your mental performance

Time: 2416.56

or physical performance or health,

Time: 2419.11

or if your goal is to increase your dopamine or epinephrine,

Time: 2422.92

to get some particular effect on your mental health,

Time: 2426.07

physical performance, et cetera,

Time: 2428.59

well, then you need to consider

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what the background level of dopamine

Time: 2433.18

or epinephrine or serotonin happens to be

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because in doing so,

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you will know which tool to select

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and how hard you need to push on that tool, right?

Time: 2444.01

If your levels of dopamine are already riding pretty high,

Time: 2447.19

because it's the early part of the day,

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well then it doesn't take a whole lot more

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to get dopamine to a level in which it can,

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for instance, change your level of motivation.

Time: 2457.12

Whereas if you are in the late part of the day,

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let's say eight or 9:00 PM,

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and you have a lot of serotonin

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swimming around in your system

Time: 2465.64

and you really need to be focused and alert,

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well, you can do that by leveraging the dopamine

Time: 2471.82

and epinephrine system

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and indeed the acetylcholine system too,

Time: 2475.06

but you're going to have to resort to tools

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that can do that far more potently

Time: 2480.25

and that can do that in a much more sustained way

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if you're going to access the state that you want.

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So again, it's really important to understand

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what the backdrop of these neuromodulators is,

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the so-called baseline

Time: 2494.32

and that they vary across the day

Time: 2496.48

if you are going to be able to leverage tools

Time: 2498.79

to optimize your brain chemistry.

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Anyone that tells you do this protocol

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in order to increase your dopamine,

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do this protocol,

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or take this supplement to increase your serotonin,

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they can be telling you the absolute truth,

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but if you don't consider the backdrop

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over which that supplement

Time: 2514.96

or behavior is going to have its effect,

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well, then you can't really predict the effect it will have.

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But if you can understand these backdrop baseline elements

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to how neuromodulators work,

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well, then you're in a terrific position

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to leverage the best tools

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in the immediate and short-term

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and that is on the order of seconds, minutes and hours.

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Before we dive into the more pointed,

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directed effects of specific tools on neuromodulators,

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I'd like to just briefly mention hormones

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because they are also important

Time: 2542.65

for understanding the background and the context

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and these baseline levels of neuromodulators.

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Now here, I'm going to paint with a bit of a broad brush,

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but what I will say is accurate,

Time: 2554.08

even though it might not be exhaustive.

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What I mean by that is everything I'm about to say is true,

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but it doesn't cover every example in detail

Time: 2561.34

and nuanced possibility out there.

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Hormones have many different effects on the brain and body

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and not unlike neuromodulators,

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some of those effects are very fast.

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Some of them are very slow.

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In fact, certain hormones,

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for instance, the steroid hormones,

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like estrogen and like testosterone

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and corticosteroids

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and here, of course,

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I'm referring to the steroid hormones for what they are.

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They are indeed steroid hormones,

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but I'm not talking about steroids

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that people inject for sports performance

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or for physical augmentation.

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I'm talking about the steroid hormones

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that you make naturally

Time: 2597.07

because indeed you make these naturally.

Time: 2599.44

Well, the steroid hormones

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can actually control gene expression.

Time: 2603.58

They can change the identity of cells

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and the genes and proteins that cells express.

Time: 2608.29

This is why during puberty, for instance,

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testosterone and estrogen are released into the body,

Time: 2613.15

growth hormone is released into the body

Time: 2614.95

and bodies and voices and personalities

Time: 2618.01

and brains change tremendously

Time: 2620.08

because literally there is a transformation

Time: 2622.57

of the breast tissue,

Time: 2624.82

of the testicular tissue,

Time: 2626.32

of the ovarian tissue, of the bones, of the muscles,

Time: 2629.92

of the tissues and cells that control hair growth.

Time: 2634.54

Gene expression changes in all those cell types.

Time: 2637.75

And the child becomes an adolescent,

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becomes a young adult, right?

Time: 2642.16

That's what puberty really is.

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In fact, puberty is perhaps

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the most dramatic transformation that we go through

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in our entire lifespan in terms of our aging,

Time: 2651.97

'cause indeed it reflects a very rapid,

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I should mention, period of aging

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and transformation of the identity of cells.

Time: 2659.83

So steroid hormones and other hormones

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can have very slow long-lasting actions in that way.

Time: 2666.13

They can also have very fast actions.

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So for instance,

Time: 2669.123

adrenaline, epinephrine, released from the adrenal glands

Time: 2672.52

can immediately make your heart beat faster,

Time: 2674.71

can immediately change the circumference

Time: 2677.65

of your blood vessels and arteries and capillaries

Time: 2681.04

and change the way blood flows.

Time: 2682.57

It can change the way you see the world, literally.

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It does change the way you see the world

Time: 2686.65

through your visual system.

Time: 2687.727

And that all happens on the order

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of hundreds of milliseconds or seconds,

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these are extremely fast actions.

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Corticosteroid also can have fast actions and slow actions.

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But since this isn't a discussion about hormones per se,

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and we've done entire episodes

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like the Optimize Testosterone and Estrogen episode.

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You can find that at HubermanLab.com.

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Or the interview with the incredibly knowledgeable

Time: 2712.06

and clear and

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really wonderful tutor of actionable information,

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Dr. Kyle Gillette, who is also on this podcast,

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you can learn a lot about hormones there.

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Today, we want to think about hormones

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as they relate to these neuromodulators,

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the dopamine, serotonin, epinephrine and acetylcholine,

Time: 2728.95

and in general,

Time: 2731.44

testosterone tends to collaborate with

Time: 2734.47

and increase the action of dopamine.

Time: 2737.23

That's not always the case, but in general,

Time: 2739.6

when testosterone goes up, dopamine goes up

Time: 2742.75

and sometimes even vice versa.

Time: 2744.49

When dopamine goes up, testosterone go up.

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And this is true for both males and for females.

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In general, when corticosteroids

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like cortisol and some related steroid hormones increase,

Time: 2758.47

epinephrine levels go up.

Time: 2760.42

And in general, when hormones like oxytocin

Time: 2763.54

or prolactin are increased,

Time: 2766.57

levels of serotonin go up.

Time: 2768.73

We can't draw a direct link

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between any one hormone system and acetylcholine.

Time: 2773.08

Acetylcholine kind of sits off

Time: 2774.34

in a category of its own in that way.

Time: 2776.5

But again, in general, testosterone and dopamine

Time: 2778.93

tend to collaborate in the same direction.

Time: 2781.63

Cortisol and epinephrine tend to collaborate

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in the same direction.

Time: 2787.18

Oxytocin and prolactin, which are hormones,

Time: 2790.3

and serotonin tend to collaborate in the same direction.

Time: 2793.75

And then we have poor old, lonely acetylcholine

Time: 2797.05

off on its own, but it's not poor and lonely.

Time: 2798.76

It actually has incredibly potent effects on its own.

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So it's really that it just doesn't mean much help

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from the hormone systems

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or at least not the steroid hormone systems

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in order to have its tremendous effects.

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Now a lot of what people think about

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and will do when trying to improve mental health

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and physical health

Time: 2814.42

is they will try and increase

Time: 2816.4

or decrease certain categories of hormones

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of the sort that I mentioned,

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testosterone, estrogen, oxytocin, and prolactin, so on.

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But oftentimes, the effects of those manipulations

Time: 2828.49

in hormones that are going to be most salient

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are not going to be due to the direct effects

Time: 2833.05

of those hormones.

Time: 2834.1

Sometimes it could be.

Time: 2835.48

But oftentimes it's going to be due to their effects

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on the brain and nervous system

Time: 2839.92

by way of how those hormones impact neuromodulators.

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So for instance,

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there are various things that people can do,

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both men and women,

Time: 2848.29

to increase their testosterone and estrogen

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in the appropriate ratios.

Time: 2852.55

I talked about one such approach in a previous episode,

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and that is to get sunlight

Time: 2858.88

onto a large portion of one's skin each day.

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Believe it or not, this actually works.

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And it works because your skin

Time: 2868.15

is actually an endocrine organ,

Time: 2869.59

a hormone secreting organ.

Time: 2871.93

It's a beautiful study.

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I've covered it on this podcast before.

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We will provide a link to this study again,

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but it had people spend at least 20 minutes or so,

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closer to 30 minutes, each day,

Time: 2882.61

trying to maximize sunlight exposure

Time: 2884.53

to as much of their skin as they could

Time: 2886.18

in terms of still maintaining decent exposure,

Time: 2889.45

meaning not over exposing themselves in a cultural way,

Time: 2891.97

meaning wearing enough clothes that they were decent,

Time: 2894.07

but still getting a lot of sun exposure,

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a couple of times per week or more.

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What they found was that people's testosterone

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and estrogen levels went up.

Time: 2902.71

Feelings of well-being went up.

Time: 2904.18

Feelings of well, or I should say increases in libido

Time: 2907.69

were observed, as well.

Time: 2909.46

They subjectively reported more passion, et cetera,

Time: 2912.34

testosterone and estrogen did indeed both go up.

Time: 2915.43

And again, I want to highlight that increases in estrogen,

Time: 2918.46

not just testosterone,

Time: 2919.51

are related to increases in libido in both men and women.

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This is why you never want

Time: 2924.07

to crush your estrogen down to zero,

Time: 2925.75

whether or not you're male or female,

Time: 2927.43

if you want to maintain some sort of healthy libido

Time: 2930.91

and general feelings of well-being, unrelated to libido.

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Well, many of those effects

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we know are not due to direct effects

Time: 2938.89

of testosterone and estrogen,

Time: 2940.66

but rather are due to the effects

Time: 2942.34

of testosterone and estrogen on the neuromodulators,

Time: 2945.01

dopamine and serotonin,

Time: 2947.17

because much of libido and feelings of well-being

Time: 2950.5

and feelings of relaxation,

Time: 2952.78

but also desire, motivation, et cetera,

Time: 2955.45

originate because of the activation of neural circuits

Time: 2959.56

that dopamine controls and promotes

Time: 2962.23

and that serotonin promote and control.

Time: 2965.59

So this is very important to understand

Time: 2968.59

as we move toward more specific discussion

Time: 2971.08

of the chemicals that we call neuromodulators,

Time: 2974.41

because hormones are controlling those neuromodulators

Time: 2978.31

in a very slow modulatory way.

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So yes, I said it,

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hormones modulate neuromodulators.

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I sort of said it twice on purpose.

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And this is a dramatic and potent effect.

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So I'll just give you one more example.

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The hormone prolactin tends to be antagonistic.

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It tends to reduce amounts of dopamine

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or at least when prolactin levels are high,

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dopamine levels tend to be lower.

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You observe this after the birth of a new child,

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you observe this post coitally after mating,

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in all species, humans and animals.

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When prolactin is elevated,

Time: 3015.93

serotonin tends to be elevated.

Time: 3017.79

And when prolactin is elevated,

Time: 3019.68

levels of dopamine and the effects of dopamine

Time: 3023.76

tend to subside.

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Now as I move toward explaining

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what each of the four categories of neuromodulators do,

Time: 3031.17

this will start to make more and more sense

Time: 3032.7

as to why this would be.

Time: 3034.38

I always say I wasn't consulted in the design phase,

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meaning I didn't design these circuits.

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And if anyone tells you that they did,

Time: 3040.92

you should back away quickly

Time: 3042.33

because none of us design these circuits.

Time: 3044.22

This is the way that evolution

Time: 3045.6

and nature created these systems.

Time: 3048.84

And they tend to work in a bit of a seesaw fashion,

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prolactin up, dopamine down, right?

Time: 3054.03

Dopamine up, prolactin down.

Time: 3055.68

In general, that is the way they work.

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So if we are to take a look at how each of these

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neuromodulator systems functions on its own,

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while understanding that

Time: 3066.24

they never truly function on their own,

Time: 3068.37

we can start to really make sense

Time: 3070.38

of the landscape of tools that are available to us

Time: 3072.66

and which tools are going to be most powerful to select

Time: 3075.75

if our goal is for instance, to be focused

Time: 3078.36

or if our goal is to be less stressed

Time: 3081.03

or if our goal is to be highly motivated

Time: 3084.78

and highly focused for sake of learning.

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All of that is indeed possible

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if you understand these four neuromodulators

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and you understand that while there are many tools

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ranging from pharmacologic to behavioral

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that can tap into these neuromodulator systems,

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that can kind of press on the gas of dopamine,

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pull back on serotonin and so on,

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but that there are particular tools,

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both behavioral and supplementation-based,

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and to some extent,

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prescription drug based, too,

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and we'll touch on a few of those.

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If you understand that and why they work,

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well, then you can create a sort of kit,

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a grab bag of things that you can use in any context

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or I should say that you can look to

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depending on the context you're in

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and create the states of body and mind that you want.

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Now once again, painting with a somewhat broad brush,

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but nonetheless, an accurate brush,

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we can say that dopamine,

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when elevated above baseline,

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tends to increase states of motivation,

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both mental and physical motivation,

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drive and to some extent focus.

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I've said it many times before, and I'll say it again,

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there's a lot of misconception about dopamine.

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Many people out there think that dopamine

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is all about pleasure.

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You hear about dopamine hits or people chasing dopamine

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or the need to have a dopamine fast, et cetera.

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Dopamine is not about pleasure.

Time: 3167.91

Dopamine is about motivation, craving and pursuit

Time: 3172.26

for goals or for things that are outside

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our immediate possession and experience.

Time: 3178.38

The motivation and pursuit of a mate.

Time: 3180.93

The motivation and pursuit to mate.

Time: 3183.33

The motivation and pursuit of food.

Time: 3185.19

The motivation and pursuit of a career goal,

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et cetera, et cetera,

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things we do not yet have, but that we want

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and we get into sort of a forward center of mass

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and a pursuit of, and that pursuit can be physical.

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That pursuit can be cognitive.

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It can be both cognitive and physical.

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And it can involve talking about something, right?

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Because in some professions,

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pursuit of things involves talking.

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I think about lawyers,

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they talk a lot in pursuit of winning cases

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and money, et cetera,

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putting people in jail or keeping people out of jail,

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et cetera, that's done with their mouths,

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not with their bodies.

Time: 3218.22

Athletes in a state of motivated training

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or in motivated competition use their bodies.

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All this is obvious of course,

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but perhaps what is not so obvious

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is that one molecule not working alone,

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but predominantly one molecule, dopamine,

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is responsible for all of those motivated states,

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which again, underscores the power of these neuromodulators.

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So dopamine, we can think of

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at least in the context of today's discussion

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as controlling and indeed promoting motivation,

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drive and pursuit

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and to some extent, focus.

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Epinephrine and a closely related molecule

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called norepinephrine

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and again, I want to emphasize

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that epinephrine is adrenaline

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and adrenaline is epinephrine.

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Norepinephrine is noradrenaline

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and noradrenaline is norepinephrine,

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but today we're going to just simply talk about

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epinephrine and norepinephrine.

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That category of neuromodulator

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is mainly responsible for generating our energy,

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our level of fuel

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and baseline level of

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forward center of mass, as I like to call it.

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You can also think of it as how high your RPM are.

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Now we're not a car

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and the car analogy sort of falls apart

Time: 3293.19

as we go further into the biology,

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but it's a decent one for now.

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When epinephrine levels are high,

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we tend to feel agitated,

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we tend to feel like we want to move,

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we tend to feel like we can't shut down our thinking

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and our anticipation of what's going to happen next.

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And when epinephrine levels are very, very low,

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we actually have less physical energy.

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We tend to have less mental energy

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in terms of generating thoughts very quickly

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and so on and so forth.

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And as I mentioned before,

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dopamine and epinephrine are closely related

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so much so that we know for a fact

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that epinephrine is actually manufactured

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from the molecule dopamine.

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So that's why I'm talking about these two neuromodulators

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in very close juxtaposition

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because they do indeed collaborate with one another.

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But for sake of today's discussion,

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we can just think of epinephrine as increasing energy,

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adrenaline increases energy in our state of readiness.

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It also, I should mention, activates our immune system.

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Contrary to popular belief

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that stress inhibits our immune system,

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epinephrine is deployed,

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it's released at great levels in our brain and body

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when we are stressed.

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And that actually protects us

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against infections of multiple kinds,

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at least in the short-term.

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That and all the details of that

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and tools related to that

Time: 3368.28

were covered in our episode on the immune system,

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if you want to check that out.

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Now the neuromodulator serotonin

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creates a number of different states in the brain and body,

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but for sake of today's discussion,

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we're going to think about the predominant states

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that it creates

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and those are states of contentness,

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being happy, feeling fairly relaxed,

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feeling soothed and to some extent,

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even some relief from pain or lack of pain.

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Serotonin is associated with a feeling of satiety

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of having enough of what we already have.

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Now when serotonin is very, very high,

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people can even be sedate.

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They can be completely amotivated,

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no motivation to seek out things

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like food or sex or work or et cetera.

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Whereas when serotonin levels are very low,

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people can actually exhibit agitation

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and high levels of stress.

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So the levels matter here,

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but again, for sake of today's conversation,

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when we leverage serotonin,

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we are really leveraging a neuromodulator

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that tends to increase the activity

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of neural circuits in the brain and body

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that make us feel relaxed and happy.

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And it tends to decrease the activity of neural circuits

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that make us rabidly in pursuit of things

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that we don't have, right.

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The opposite of content and sated

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is motivation, desire and hunger and thirst

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for things that we don't have.

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So serotonin is the molecule of peace.

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It is the molecule of contentness.

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It is the molecule of having enough,

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at least for the time being

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or the feeling that we have enough for the time being.

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Now acetylcholine is a fourth category of neuromodulator

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that as I mentioned earlier, is somewhat not totally,

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but somewhat distinct from any direct control

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by the major hormone systems of the body,

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or at least the major steroid hormone systems.

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And acetylcholine we can say

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is mainly associated with states of focus.

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And we can go a step further and say

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that it's mainly associated with steps of focus

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as they relate to learning and encoding new information,

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so called neuroplasticity.

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Now neuroplasticity,

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or the brain and nervous system's ability to change

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in response to experience

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can be impacted by an enormous number

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of different chemicals, not just acetylcholine,

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but acetylcholine has a particularly potent ability

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to open up the thing that we call neuroplasticity

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to allow plasticity to happen in one moment

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whereas in a previous moment,

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it could not occur

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because acetylcholine had not been released in the brain

Time: 3525.63

or in the spinal cord.

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So acetylcholine is involved in focus and in learning,

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but it is not necessarily always associated

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with learning in the context of highly motivated,

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really ramped up states.

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It can be,

Time: 3541.65

but acetylcholine can also be released

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and can encourage the learning

Time: 3546.51

and neuroplasticity associated with calm states.

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For instance, if somebody has a newborn child,

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we know that they are flooded with oxytocin,

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which has actually even been called the love hormone

Time: 3560.52

or it does many things in addition to control feelings

Time: 3563.73

of romantic attachment

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and attachment to children, et cetera.

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It does all of that, but it does a lot more, as well.

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But when people have a new child,

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they also tend to be hyper-focused on that child,

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not just its well-being,

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but they narrow all their thinking,

Time: 3578.43

all their vision,

Time: 3579.96

all their hearing to that child

Time: 3581.64

and there are obvious adaptive reasons

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for wanting to do that.

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I recall a family dinner we had.

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Gosh, this was over 10 years ago.

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We had a couple over.

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My mom was in the habit of inviting people over

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who didn't have places to go on the holidays,

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'cause that's just who she is

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and I think it's quite nice.

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So she brought over this couple, they had a newborn,

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I think this baby had been born

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maybe two or three weeks before

Time: 3603.42

and it was seated or not seated [laughs].

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It was lying down.

Time: 3607.74

I couldn't see it.

Time: 3608.573

It was like a potato bug.

Time: 3609.406

It could barely hold its head up.

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But it was lying in a little bassinet on the floor

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as we ate dinner.

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And it was almost hilarious, it actually was hilarious.

Time: 3617.43

We laughed a lot about this,

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that the entire meal,

Time: 3620.25

they were basically staring at this baby.

Time: 3622.53

They were so clearly in love with the baby

Time: 3625.02

and so flooded with oxytocin and also prolactin

Time: 3628.83

that they couldn't take their focus off this baby.

Time: 3631.35

It was actually really wonderful and endearing to see.

Time: 3634.08

But in addition to that,

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I'd be willing to bet

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had I been able to do a little bit of microdialysis,

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which is a ability to

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measure the amounts of neuromodulator

Time: 3644.61

given location in the brain,

Time: 3645.78

had I been able to do that experiment on them

Time: 3649.05

in that moment, I would've found that levels

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of acetylcholine were exceedingly high

Time: 3652.92

because they were so hyper-focused on this child,

Time: 3656.19

not just in love with, but focused on that child.

Time: 3659.28

And without a doubt,

Time: 3661.5

the neural circuits related to focus

Time: 3663.21

and plasticity were heavily engaged

Time: 3665.25

again for obvious adaptive reasons related to child rearing

Time: 3668.94

and learning the coos and cries

Time: 3671.46

and pain signals and pleasure signals of one's offspring.

Time: 3674.58

So we have dopamine associated with motivation,

Time: 3677.25

drive and pursuit and to some extent, focus.

Time: 3680.31

We have epinephrine and norepinephrine associated

Time: 3682.53

with energy of having a forward center of mass,

Time: 3686.19

mentally and or physically.

Time: 3687.96

We have serotonin,

Time: 3689.04

which is associated with a peaceful,

Time: 3691.47

content, sated state of being.

Time: 3694.47

And we have acetylcholine,

Time: 3695.97

which is associated with focus

Time: 3698.97

and in particular focus as it relates to learning

Time: 3701.34

and encoding new information.

Time: 3703.53

So let's say you want to be more motivated.

Time: 3705.18

You want to be more in pursuit of goals.

Time: 3707.82

And you want to have more energy and to be more focused.

Time: 3710.79

There are many ways to go about that.

Time: 3712.41

In fact, there's a near infinite cloud of opportunities,

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everything from prescription drugs to illicit drugs,

Time: 3719.13

which I certainly do not recommend,

Time: 3721.92

supplements, nutrition.

Time: 3723.99

You can listen to particular music.

Time: 3725.79

You can do all sorts of cognitive behavioral,

Time: 3728.67

nutritional supplementation tricks.

Time: 3730.74

Or you can just understand

Time: 3733.74

that what you're really after are increases in dopamine

Time: 3736.89

above baseline that you control

Time: 3739.77

and there are ways to control them that are quite potent

Time: 3742.83

and science tells us which tools

Time: 3745.68

are going to be the most potent

Time: 3747.21

and the most versatile for you.

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So I'm going to share those tools with you now

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with the caveat that each one of those tools

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could be its own entire podcast episode,

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and that we've done near entire episodes

Time: 3760.62

on each of these tools or small collections of these tools.

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So I'm going to cover these in somewhat superficial manner.

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We can provide links to previous episodes

Time: 3768.18

that relate to each of these tools in detail,

Time: 3770.46

but I'll give you enough detail about them

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that would allow you to incorporate them into your routine

Time: 3774.99

should you choose.

Time: 3776.19

Let's say you want to increase dopamine

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for sake of increasing motivation.

Time: 3780.51

The first thing to do is

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to understand what the natural behavioral tools are

Time: 3785.04

for increasing dopamine

Time: 3786.24

and to do those as consistently as possible.

Time: 3789.18

Again, these are tools that you'll want to do

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nearly every day, if not every day.

Time: 3794.52

And I know I'm sounding like a broken record on this one,

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but here again, we come to sunlight

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and I should say,

Time: 3802.77

not just the desire to,

Time: 3805.11

but really the need

Time: 3806.49

for viewing the maximum amount of sunlight

Time: 3809.1

that one can reasonably get

Time: 3810.6

given schedules and locations in the world,

Time: 3812.73

time of year, et cetera,

Time: 3814.11

in the early part of the day,

Time: 3816.75

within the first hour of waking, ideally,

Time: 3819.69

but certainly in the first three hours of your day,

Time: 3822.06

you are going to want to maximize sunlight exposure

Time: 3824.61

to your eyes.

Time: 3825.443

Never look at the sun or any other light so bright

Time: 3828.48

that it's painful to look at.

Time: 3829.53

And yes, of course blinking is fine,

Time: 3830.94

but no, take sunglasses off,

Time: 3832.38

go outside once the sun is out

Time: 3833.97

and get some natural light in your eyes.

Time: 3835.59

And if it's appropriate

Time: 3837.81

or I should say in a way that's appropriate,

Time: 3840.12

maximize the amount of sunlight exposure to your skin,

Time: 3842.55

but please don't get burned.

Time: 3844.77

Please do wear sunscreen if you're prone to getting burned.

Time: 3847.83

Typically early day sunlight is not going to burn you,

Time: 3850.41

at least not most people,

Time: 3851.76

unless you're extremely fair-skinned.

Time: 3854.07

So don't get burned.

Time: 3854.903

Do what you need to in order to protect yourself from burn.

Time: 3857.37

There's some emerging controversy about sunscreen

Time: 3860.16

and which ones are safe and which ones aren't safe.

Time: 3861.81

We have not done an episode on that yet,

Time: 3863.49

but I find it to be an important and interesting topic.

Time: 3866.37

Darya Rose, Dr. Darya Rose, I should say,

Time: 3868.8

has a podcast called The Darya Rose Podcast

Time: 3870.99

and did an episode all about sunscreens,

Time: 3873.6

which are safe, which are not safe,

Time: 3875.34

by interviewing an expert on that

Time: 3876.81

so I refer you to that podcast as it relates to sunscreen.

Time: 3879.3

But get some natural light exposure in your eyes.

Time: 3882.12

And if you wake up before the sun comes out,

Time: 3884.52

turn on as many bright lights inside

Time: 3886.14

as you can turn on reasonably

Time: 3888.6

given your electric bill, et cetera.

Time: 3889.92

Get a lot of bright sunlight exposure early in the day

Time: 3892.65

and get a lot of sunlight exposure to your skin

Time: 3895.41

in the early part of the day,

Time: 3896.85

in a way that doesn't burn you,

Time: 3899.31

meaning burn your skin or blind you, please.

Time: 3901.41

Please don't do anything that harms your vision

Time: 3903.66

like stare into a bright light, that's painful.

Time: 3906.78

What does that do?

Time: 3907.86

Well, it sets in motion a number

Time: 3909.93

of different biological cascades.

Time: 3911.49

Some are very fast.

Time: 3912.96

There are fast actions of sunlight

Time: 3914.43

that will trigger for instance,

Time: 3915.6

dopamine release from different parts of your brain

Time: 3918.09

and your endocrine system.

Time: 3919.71

And we now know that it increases levels of genes

Time: 3923.73

related to thyroid hormone

Time: 3925.2

and actually increases certain dopamine receptors.

Time: 3928.74

So there's a wonderful paper.

Time: 3929.79

We will provide a link to this paper

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that shows that sunlight exposure

Time: 3933.39

can actually increase the amount of so-called DRD4.

Time: 3937.02

This is a particular type of dopamine receptor,

Time: 3938.697

the dopamine receptor four.

Time: 3941.04

The genes for dopamine receptor four

Time: 3942.69

are actually under photic control.

Time: 3944.52

So if you get sunlight exposure to your eyes

Time: 3946.35

and it does have to be to your eyes

Time: 3947.183

in the early part of the day,

Time: 3948.78

you increase the amount of dopamine receptor that you have,

Time: 3951.45

which allows whatever circulating dopamine

Time: 3953.55

happens to be there

Time: 3954.69

to have a greater effect on motivation

Time: 3957.33

and I should say also on mood and feelings

Time: 3959.52

of being in pursuit and generally,

Time: 3962.37

in craving and pursuit of things in life.

Time: 3965.25

Now there's another way to increase the effect

Time: 3967.56

of whatever dopamine happens to be circulating

Time: 3969.75

in your brain and body.

Time: 3971.4

And this again, relates to increasing the number

Time: 3974.55

or the efficacy of the receptors for dopamine.

Time: 3978.39

Now here we're not talking about the dopamine receptor four,

Time: 3981.06

but a different category of dopamine receptors,

Time: 3983.28

the D2 and D3 receptors,

Time: 3985.26

which are expressed multiple places in your brain and body

Time: 3988.14

and bind dopamine,

Time: 3989.58

meaning dopamine parks in them like a parking spot

Time: 3992.04

and allows dopamine

Time: 3993.87

to generally increase the activity of the neurons

Time: 3997.38

and cells that express those dopamine receptors.

Time: 3999.93

How do you do that?

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Well, turns out that regular ingestion of caffeine

Time: 4005.3

at safe and appropriate levels,

Time: 4007.1

about a hundred to 250 milligrams

Time: 4010.1

is going to increase the number of D2

Time: 4012.544

and D3 dopamine receptors.

Time: 4014.09

I talked a little bit about this on a previous episode.

Time: 4017.03

Again, we'll provide links to these studies,

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but this is an important finding,

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I believe, because this is not about the acute,

Time: 4023.3

the immediate effects of caffeine on alertness,

Time: 4025.46

although those occur, too.

Time: 4026.84

When you drink caffeine,

Time: 4028.22

it's going to increase your levels of adrenaline

Time: 4030.98

and so-called epinephrine,

Time: 4032.36

which will increase your energy levels.

Time: 4033.74

It's going to decrease levels of something called adenosine,

Time: 4036.53

which builds up while you're sleepy.

Time: 4037.88

It's going to make you feel less sleepy, more alert,

Time: 4039.74

more energetic.

Time: 4040.82

That's sort of obvious.

Time: 4042.2

But what's less obvious is that it's increasing the number

Time: 4044.78

and efficacy of dopamine receptors

Time: 4046.85

so that whatever dopamine happens to be around

Time: 4048.86

in your system is going to have more of a potent effect.

Time: 4052.82

So how much caffeine should you drink?

Time: 4054.5

That's going to vary from person to person.

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Some people are very sensitive to caffeine, others are not.

Time: 4059.21

I tend to be fairly insensitive to caffeine,

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'cause I've been drinking it for a long period of time.

Time: 4064.31

But you know, after one or two cups of espresso or coffee,

Time: 4067.76

I feel like I've had enough.

Time: 4068.93

I tend to drink my caffeine early in the day,

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which is what I'm going to recommend that you do,

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not drinking caffeine past two and certainly not 4:00 PM,

Time: 4075.26

if you're on a typical schedule

Time: 4076.4

and you want to be able to sleep that night,

Time: 4078.08

even if you can fall asleep.

Time: 4079.88

Having too much caffeine in your system is not good

Time: 4081.77

because it disrupts the architecture of sleep.

Time: 4083.69

And now knowing about all the metabolic variability

Time: 4086.72

across the night, according to different stages of sleep,

Time: 4089.42

it should be even more obvious

Time: 4091.85

as to why disrupting the architecture of sleep

Time: 4093.59

would be bad for you.

Time: 4094.64

So limit that caffeine intake to early in the day

Time: 4096.71

and don't go ballistic.

Time: 4098.72

Certainly don't go ballistic in any case,

Time: 4100.16

but for most people anywhere

Time: 4101.57

from 100 to 400 milligrams of caffeine

Time: 4104.54

is going to have this effect.

Time: 4106.25

And this effect again is a slow accumulating effect

Time: 4109.25

by drinking caffeine consistently day-to-day.

Time: 4111.17

I get my caffeine mainly from Yerba Mate tea.

Time: 4113.69

I want to emphasize that it's probably a good idea

Time: 4115.19

to stay away from the smoked mates.

Time: 4116.93

There's some evidence those can be carcinogenic,

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but I brew my own Yerba Mate tea,

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or sometimes I'll drink coffee or espresso,

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or sometimes both frankly,

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as long as I'm hydrating enough and I'm getting enough salt,

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then I tend to feel fine with that much caffeine.

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The other way to increase dopamine

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and to make sure that your baseline levels of dopamine

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are high enough is to make sure

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that you're eating sufficient numbers

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of tyrosine-rich foods.

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You can look up which foods include tyrosine.

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Tyrosine is a precursor to dopamine.

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It's an amino acid that is in direct pathway

Time: 4144.8

to dopamine synthesis

Time: 4146.24

and tyrosine foods include things like

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certain meats, Parmesan cheese,

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very high in tyrosine, for instance.

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In fact, there's something called the cheese effect,

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believe it or not.

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I don't want to go too far off topic,

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but the cheese effect is kind of interesting

Time: 4159.35

because certain people will take antidepressants

Time: 4163.01

that are so called MAO inhibitors,

Time: 4165.68

monoamine oxidase inhibitors.

Time: 4168.05

Anytime you hear ASE, that's an enzyme.

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They will take these inhibitors

Time: 4171.56

that prevent the breakdown of dopamine

Time: 4175.34

and other so-called catacholamines,

Time: 4177.32

which allow more dopamine to be in circulation.

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But if these people eat certain cheeses,

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including Parmesan cheese, and there are other foods,

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of course that include not just tyrosine,

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but one of the derivatives of tyrosine,

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called tyramine,

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that generates what's called the cheese effect,

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which is people get potent migraines,

Time: 4196.58

headaches, blood pressure goes up.

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Why, well, because they've got a lot of tyrosine

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in their system and dopamine in their system.

Time: 4202.58

And they've got less of the enzyme

Time: 4204.74

that removes that dopamine or limits its action

Time: 4207.8

and so they have an excess of dopamine

Time: 4209.81

and dopamine has effects on blood pressure, et cetera.

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So the cheese effect is something to avoid

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if you are somebody who's taking drugs

Time: 4216.8

that tap into or manipulate the dopamine pathway,

Time: 4220.19

either for Parkinson's or depressions,

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obviously you're going to want to be careful

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about adjusting up or down levels of dopamine too potently.

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So mind the cheese effect

Time: 4229.07

if you're taking an MAO inhibitor.

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There's a lot of information about this online.

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For most people, eating foods like Parmesan cheese,

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eating foods like certain meats and certain vegetables

Time: 4239.54

also can increase tyrosine levels,

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which will increase dopamine synthesis.

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So these are ways of modulating, more or less,

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the baseline of dopamine that you are able to produce

Time: 4248.93

and the ways that dopamine can have its action

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by way of binding to receptors more potently.

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Now there are other ways to increase dopamine

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in a more acute or directed way,

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ways to spike your dopamine,

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to enhance your state of motivation, mood, focus and so on.

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And in thinking about the vast landscape of tools

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that can do that,

Time: 4272.593

we have one category of tools,

Time: 4274.43

which are the really, really bad things

Time: 4275.87

that I don't recommend anybody do.

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In fact, I recommend nobody do ever,

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which are things like cocaine, methamphetamine, et cetera.

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They are incredibly destructive for lives

Time: 4285.86

because of the way that they so potently increase dopamine

Time: 4288.53

and then the crash in dopamine that occurs later.

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I mean, they can indeed and often do ruin lives.

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So we're leaving those off the table.

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There are of course, prescription drugs that many people,

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especially people who have clinically diagnosed ADHD,

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attention deficit hyperactivity disorder,

Time: 4305.21

rely on and in fact benefit from in many cases,

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things like Ritalin, Adderall, Vyvanse.

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Nowadays, there's also a lot of interest in use

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of things like Modafinil, Armodafinil.

Time: 4316.82

I covered all of those in the episode on ADHD.

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And you can find that on HubermanLab.com

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and the other places this podcast is found.

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Prescription drugs aside because they require a prescription

Time: 4327.35

and a discussion that's in-depth

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and appropriate with your physician, healthcare provider.

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There are supplements that can very potently

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increase dopamine as well,

Time: 4337.16

perhaps not to the extent

Time: 4338.33

that some of those other prescription drugs can,

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but certainly to a degree that will impact

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and increase dopamine and motivation

Time: 4345.02

and the other states dopamine is associated with.

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And the two main categories of supplements

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that are very effective in raising dopamine

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and here I should provide the caveat

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that anytime you're going to add or remove anything

Time: 4355.22

from your supplementation protocols,

Time: 4358.04

please talk to a physician

Time: 4359.54

who is knowledgeable on these topics.

Time: 4361.34

If you're somebody who has,

Time: 4363.32

or is taking drugs for depression or mania,

Time: 4366.35

please be very cautious about manipulating your dopamine

Time: 4369.08

in any case.

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I don't just say that to protect us,

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I say that to protect you.

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But if we were to look at the supplement landscape

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and ask which supplement increased dopamine,

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there are a vast number of them,

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but the three main ones,

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the most effective ones that are readily available out there

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without a prescription are mucuna pruriens.

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This is actually the outside of a velvety bean

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that has been extracted and put into a supplement.

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Mucuna pruriens is actual L-dopa.

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It's 99% L-dopa, which is a prescription drug

Time: 4398.99

that is given for Parkinson's and for other purposes

Time: 4402.23

where increasing dopamine is important.

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I don't recommend mucuna pruriens.

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I'm not saying that no one should take it,

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but I don't take it.

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And I don't recommend it

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because it tends to so potently

Time: 4413.78

and acutely increase dopamine,

Time: 4415.25

that there's a pretty substantial crash afterwards.

Time: 4418.04

So I avoid it and I don't generally suggest

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that anyone take it unless there's really a clinical need,

Time: 4424.43

or they're working very closely with somebody

Time: 4426.29

that can really monitor that.

Time: 4428.48

The other two supplements that can increase dopamine

Time: 4432.08

in a short-term way,

Time: 4433.73

but in a significant way,

Time: 4436.07

are L-tyrosine

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so you can buy that as a supplement amino acid.

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I sometimes take this.

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I would say, I probably take it about once a week maximum

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for work bouts or workouts.

Time: 4447.14

I'll take it in dosages of anywhere

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from 500 milligrams to a thousand milligrams.

Time: 4451.25

People vary tremendously in their sensitivity

Time: 4453.74

to supplementing L-tyrosine.

Time: 4455.24

I know people that can take two grams.

Time: 4457.25

I know people that can barely take a hundred milligrams.

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I know people that the best dose for them

Time: 4461.72

is zero milligrams.

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So there's a lot of variation there depending on sensitivity

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and they're natural baseline levels of dopamine

Time: 4468.59

and whether or not they're doing a lot of other things

Time: 4470.09

to support dopamine,

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but nonetheless, taking L-tyrosine will lead

Time: 4473.84

to fairly substantial increases in dopamine

Time: 4476.6

within about 15 to 45 minutes

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and it lasts for about 30 minutes to two hours

Time: 4481.94

and then there's kind of a tapering off.

Time: 4483.71

Some people experience a little bit of an emotional

Time: 4485.78

and or I should say energetic crash, some people don't.

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And then the other supplement that I certainly use,

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and that I know a number of other people use

Time: 4493.79

is more fast-acting, but more potent,

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which is phenylethylamine.

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This relates to the so-called PEA molecule,

Time: 4500.54

PEA, P-E-A,

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and phenylethylamine increases dopamine

Time: 4505.67

and some metabolites related to dopamine

Time: 4507.68

in ways that really increase energy

Time: 4509.39

and feelings of well-being and motivation.

Time: 4511.07

And again, it's fast-acting.

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So my particular protocol,

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the one I use is I'll take phenylethylamine

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at dosages of about 300 to 600 milligrams

Time: 4519.83

along with some L-tyrosine,

Time: 4522.62

or I'll take it on its own with a molecule,

Time: 4525.71

or I should say a compound

Time: 4526.7

that we'll talk about a little bit later

Time: 4527.78

as it relates to acetylcholine, Alpha-GPC,

Time: 4530.33

but tyrosine and phenylethylamine taken alone or together

Time: 4533.27

will make you feel more motivated and more alert,

Time: 4536.06

more willing and able to lean into

Time: 4538.94

particular motivated behaviors,

Time: 4540.29

whether or not they're physical or cognitive.

Time: 4542.42

If you'd like to learn more about these compounds

Time: 4544.82

and their supplementation and their effects,

Time: 4546.89

I encourage you to check out

Time: 4548.42

the ever valuable website, examine.com.

Time: 4551.27

It's zero cost to access,

Time: 4552.86

and they provide references and some more details

Time: 4555.5

about these sorts of compounds and other related compounds.

Time: 4558.77

Now if we are going to look at behavioral tools

Time: 4560.87

for potently increasing dopamine,

Time: 4563.12

that too is a vast landscape.

Time: 4565.46

And we know based on hundreds, if not thousands of studies

Time: 4569.69

that things like winning at some sort of competition

Time: 4573.65

or succeeding in reaching a goal

Time: 4575.81

can certainly increase dopamine.

Time: 4577.4

We talk a lot about this in the episode

Time: 4579.02

on dopamine, motivation and drive,

Time: 4581.51

but leaving that aside,

Time: 4583.22

there are certain behavioral protocols

Time: 4585.44

that are unrelated to your overall goals and motivations

Time: 4589.46

that can increase dopamine in a very sustained way.

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And without question,

Time: 4593.78

the most potent behavioral tool for doing that

Time: 4596.36

is going to be deliberate, cold exposure.

Time: 4599.57

Deliberate cold exposure has been talked about a lot here

Time: 4603.23

and elsewhere in terms of its

Time: 4606.41

ability to do things like reduce inflammation

Time: 4609.77

as a way to test and improve resilience

Time: 4612.62

because uncomfortable cold,

Time: 4614.84

provided its applied safely

Time: 4616.58

is a great way to learn to be more resilient

Time: 4618.74

because you're essentially staying or forcing yourself

Time: 4621.08

to stay in a circumstance

Time: 4622.43

where your system is flooded with adrenaline.

Time: 4625.01

But one lesser known aspect of deliberate cold exposure

Time: 4630.14

is one that's been demonstrated

Time: 4631.58

quite convincingly in humans,

Time: 4633.08

comes from a study published in the year 2000.

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I'll link to this study.

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I love this study by the way.

Time: 4638.63

Covered it many times on this podcast

Time: 4640.16

because I love it so much and I think it's truly important.

Time: 4643.43

And that's the study from Srámek et al,

Time: 4646.49

entitled, "Human physiological responses

Time: 4648.207

"to immersion into water of different temperatures".

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I'm not going to go into this into a ton of detail

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for sake of time,

Time: 4653.42

but basically what they show is that

Time: 4655.52

putting people into cold water,

Time: 4656.69

and I should mention the water that they used

Time: 4658.79

in this study wasn't that cold.

Time: 4660.2

They had a bunch of different conditions,

Time: 4661.4

but they had people that got into, for instance,

Time: 4663.53

60 degree Fahrenheit water for up to two hours,

Time: 4666.47

had them sitting there,

Time: 4668.044

had them in a lawn chair up to their neck,

Time: 4669.47

had very long sustained increases in dopamine transmission

Time: 4674.42

and dopamine circulation in their brain and body.

Time: 4677.93

And also some of the other catacholamines,

Time: 4680.84

as I mentioned before,

Time: 4681.673

dopamine tends to collaborate with epinephrine

Time: 4683.54

and vice versa.

Time: 4685.25

Now you don't need to put yourself

Time: 4687.11

into 60 degree Fahrenheit water

Time: 4688.94

to get these kind of sustained increases.

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And you certainly don't need to do it for two hours.

Time: 4694.64

We have a strong reason to believe

Time: 4696.14

based on subsequent studies,

Time: 4697.82

in fact, published just this last year,

Time: 4699.8

that getting into much colder water

Time: 4702.8

of say 50 degrees or 55 degrees

Time: 4704.81

or even 45 degrees Fahrenheit

Time: 4707.45

can potently increase dopamine and epinephrine, as well.

Time: 4710.6

And that you don't need to expose yourself

Time: 4712.16

to that cold water for nearly as long.

Time: 4714.59

So perhaps even as short as one minute or even 30 seconds

Time: 4718.94

exposure to really cold water,

Time: 4720.68

can lead to these potent long-lasting increases in dopamine.

Time: 4724.52

Many people will ask which protocols to follow.

Time: 4727.01

For instance, will a cold shower suffice?

Time: 4729.35

Very likely, yes, if your shower gets cold enough.

Time: 4731.63

Do you need ice floating in the bath?

Time: 4733.49

No, it's all about the temperature

Time: 4735.08

not whether or not there's ice present or not.

Time: 4737.15

How long to stay in there?

Time: 4738.35

There are a lot of details

Time: 4739.7

that we don't have time to go into this episode.

Time: 4741.59

Please see the episode on the Use of Deliberate Cold

Time: 4745.07

for Health and Performance.

Time: 4746.39

You'll find that at HubermanLab.com.

Time: 4748.1

We have a newsletter related to this.

Time: 4749.69

It gets into a lot of detailed protocols,

Time: 4751.85

but in general, we can say

Time: 4754.43

that the way to evoke dopamine and epinephrine release

Time: 4757.61

using cold water is to

Time: 4760.04

ideally you would do cold water immersion.

Time: 4762.02

If you can't, you'd use cold shower,

Time: 4764.12

but you want to use a temperature that is safe,

Time: 4766.88

meaning you're not going to have a heart attack,

Time: 4768.53

but that is uncomfortable

Time: 4769.7

such that you really want to get out

Time: 4771.17

and then staying in for anywhere from one minute

Time: 4773.96

to 10 minutes, depending on how cold adapted you are,

Time: 4776.63

and then getting out

Time: 4778.13

and drying off and going about your day,

Time: 4779.78

unless you have some other protocol

Time: 4781.01

that you're trying to extract from the cold.

Time: 4782.84

So this is a cold exposure protocol

Time: 4785.18

specifically aimed at increasing dopamine.

Time: 4788.57

For some people out there, you might think

Time: 4790.49

this is kind of silly using cold water to increase dopamine.

Time: 4793.37

But when you look at the data in humans

Time: 4796.13

on the effect of cold water exposure

Time: 4798.08

to stimulate long-lasting, very significant increases

Time: 4801.29

in dopamine and epinephrine,

Time: 4802.88

I think you'll agree that this is a really potent tool

Time: 4806.33

that provided its given safely and gone about safely,

Time: 4809.87

is giving you the kinds of increases in dopamine

Time: 4812.09

that you would seek using prescription pharmacology.

Time: 4814.94

Now it shouldn't be used as a replacement

Time: 4816.77

for prescription pharmacology,

Time: 4818.54

although people have done that to success.

Time: 4820.79

One of the previous guest on the Huberman Lab Podcast

Time: 4823.67

was Dr. Anna Lembke, our director

Time: 4825.32

of the Dual Diagnosis Addiction Clinic at Stanford.

Time: 4827.57

She has an amazing book called "Dopamine Nation",

Time: 4829.73

all about dopamine and both its uses, healthy,

Time: 4832.94

and its perils in things like addiction.

Time: 4835.43

And she describes a patient of hers

Time: 4838.07

that used deliberate cold exposure

Time: 4839.78

to try and maintain dopamine levels

Time: 4841.73

while coming off of drugs

Time: 4843.32

that were increasing dopamine so potently

Time: 4845.99

that they were putting him down the path of addiction.

Time: 4848.09

So the use of cold water for increasing dopamine

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is a real tool.

Time: 4852.86

It's, I would say, a power tool.

Time: 4854.9

In fact, it's the kind of thing that if you want

Time: 4857.265

to increase dopamine for sake of motivation,

Time: 4859.7

it might be your first go-to

Time: 4861.23

provided you're also doing the things

Time: 4862.73

to maintain dopamine baseline

Time: 4864.41

like sunlight exposure in particular,

Time: 4866.48

making sure you're getting sufficient amounts

Time: 4868.13

of tyrosine-containing foods and so on.

Time: 4870.62

And now just very briefly,

Time: 4871.79

I want to point to a few quick tools

Time: 4874.1

that good peer review data tell us

Time: 4877.85

can be leveraged in order to make sure

Time: 4880.07

that you have sufficient dopamine when you want it

Time: 4882.59

or that it's available for it to be released

Time: 4884.93

by any number of the tools I provided thus far.

Time: 4887.96

And those are sufficient number of B vitamins.

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So it turns out that B vitamins,

Time: 4894.14

in particular B6 or vitamin B6,

Time: 4897.17

can potently reduce prolactin levels.

Time: 4900.05

And again, prolactin and dopamine tend to work

Time: 4902.39

in kind of push pull fashion.

Time: 4904.07

That said you should be cautious

Time: 4905.99

about taking excessive levels of B6.

Time: 4908.93

It is a vitamin that if you take too much,

Time: 4910.97

you'll likely excrete it through your urine,

Time: 4912.83

but there is evidence that having

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excessively high levels of B6

Time: 4916.91

or supplementing with excessively high levels of B6

Time: 4919.49

can cause some peripheral neuropathy,

Time: 4921.35

some death of nerves in the periphery.

Time: 4923.63

If you want to know what dosage levels are relevant there

Time: 4925.58

just simply look it up online.

Time: 4926.72

There's a lot of information about this.

Time: 4928.25

But you do want to make sure

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that you're getting enough B6, B12, et cetera,

Time: 4932.36

such that you can keep prolactin levels in check.

Time: 4935.48

And if you suspect that you have a dopamine deficiency,

Time: 4938.9

please talk to your doctor

Time: 4939.83

and talk to them about ways you might adjust

Time: 4941.93

that prolactin down and thereby dopamine up.

Time: 4945.2

The other way to ensure that dopamine levels stay high

Time: 4948.71

or put differently,

Time: 4950.21

that you don't quash whatever dopamine

Time: 4952.4

you have in your system

Time: 4953.81

is to really avoid bright light exposure to your eyes

Time: 4956.69

between the hours of 10:00 PM and 4:00 AM

Time: 4958.82

or another way of putting this

Time: 4960.05

because I realize people sleep

Time: 4961.16

at different times, et cetera,

Time: 4962.54

is to avoid bright light exposure to your eyes,

Time: 4965.09

not just blue light, but all colors of light

Time: 4967.67

in phase three, that is 17 to 24 hours after waking up

Time: 4972.65

because that's really when you should be asleep

Time: 4974.45

or trying to get asleep, if you're having trouble sleeping.

Time: 4977.69

Work from Samer Hattar's lab,

Time: 4979.4

the director of the chronobiology unit

Time: 4980.87

at the National Institutes of Mental Health,

Time: 4983

again, a previous Huberman Lab Podcast guest,

Time: 4987.02

tell us that bright light exposure

Time: 4989.63

in phase three of your circadian cycle,

Time: 4993.23

17 to 24 hours after waking,

Time: 4995.57

can have dramatic effects in reducing dopamine levels

Time: 4998.54

by way of activating a neural circuit

Time: 5000.4

involving something called the habenula.

Time: 5002.407

I don't want to get into too many details right now,

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but really try and keep the lights dim

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in the middle of the night or off,

Time: 5007.24

if you can do that safely.

Time: 5009.16

It's really going to help

Time: 5010.48

if you're turning on your phone brightly,

Time: 5012.85

if you are turning on bright lights,

Time: 5014.8

it's not just going to negatively impact melatonin,

Time: 5017.35

the hormone that helps you fall and stay asleep.

Time: 5019.09

It's also going to negatively impact dopamine levels,

Time: 5023.2

not just that night, but the subsequent day.

Time: 5026.47

So that more or less summarizes our coverage

Time: 5029.05

of ways to use behavior and supplementation and nutrition

Time: 5032.68

to increase dopamine

Time: 5033.91

and dopamine receptor efficacy and number,

Time: 5036.49

and to keep sufficient amounts of dopamine

Time: 5038.59

in your system day-to-day for motivation, mood and focus.

Time: 5042.85

And of course, keep in mind those things

Time: 5044.47

that can suppress dopamine,

Time: 5045.85

the bright light exposure,

Time: 5047.98

elevated prolactin, and so on.

Time: 5050.11

My hope is that by understanding those tools

Time: 5051.757

and how they work

Time: 5052.69

and understanding that dopamine does certain things

Time: 5055.48

and not others

Time: 5056.56

that you can assemble a versatile kit of behaviors

Time: 5060.37

and other things that you can do

Time: 5061.72

in order to adjust your dopamine levels

Time: 5063.82

according to your particular goals.

Time: 5066.4

I want to just briefly return to the fact, however,

Time: 5069.91

that all of that is riding on that phase one,

Time: 5073.24

phase two background,

Time: 5074.59

meaning, it's probably going to take less cold water exposure,

Time: 5078.31

or I should say less time doing cold water exposure

Time: 5081.19

early in the day

Time: 5082.15

to get a big increase in dopamine

Time: 5083.92

than it would later in the day.

Time: 5085.63

Because later in the day, your baseline levels of dopamine

Time: 5088.27

are lower and you've got more serotonin circulating.

Time: 5091.63

That should make sense to you now as to why that's the case.

Time: 5094.33

And does that mean

Time: 5095.89

that you should really modify your protocols dramatically?

Time: 5098.47

Probably not, but you might keep that in mind

Time: 5101.26

that if, for instance, you need to be in a highly motivated,

Time: 5103.69

focused state in the late part of the day,

Time: 5105.49

for whatever reason,

Time: 5106.57

it might take a few or more of these tools

Time: 5109.27

in combination in order to accomplish that.

Time: 5111.49

Whereas if you're somebody who feels pretty good

Time: 5112.99

during the day, but you're kind of lacking motivation

Time: 5115.278

and you want to increase dopamine levels

Time: 5116.53

and you don't yet need to,

Time: 5118.27

or want to resort to prescription drugs or supplementation,

Time: 5120.97

well, then you might layer in a couple behavioral protocols

Time: 5123.31

paying attention to of course,

Time: 5124.75

the things that you might be doing

Time: 5125.8

that would also potentially suppress dopamine.

Time: 5128.62

So again, that kit of tools is designed

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for you to play with, if you choose,

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if it's safe for you to apply them, then do that.

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Consider doing them individually,

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not trying to hit all the tools all at once, right?

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I mean, why throw all those tools

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at your dopamine system at once?

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Better would be to have those tools in your kit

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and be able to deploy them depending on

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whether or not you're on travel,

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whether or not you're eating well or less well,

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whether or not you're sleeping well or less well.

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That's highly individual

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and I'd like to think that in having those tools in hand,

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you'll be able to adjust them and apply them in the ways

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that allow you to access the dopamine increases

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that you're after.

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So next I'd like to talk about epinephrine,

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also called adrenaline.

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I want to point out that epinephrine

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is released both in the brain and the body.

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In fact, there's a barrier between brain and body

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that prevents the epinephrine that's released

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from your adrenal glands,

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from crossing the blood brain barrier.

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So your brain has a separate site

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called the locus coeruleus.

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This is a collection of neurons in the back of the brain

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that kind of sprinkler the rest of the brain

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with epinephrine

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and essentially wakes up

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whatever neural circuits happen to see, or I should say,

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wake up any circuits where that epinephrine

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happens to arrive, right,

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and generally increase the excitability of those networks.

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That's why we say epinephrine increases energy.

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I'm not talking about caloric energy,

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although that's distantly related to this,

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but really energy and the desire to move,

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the feeling that we can think,

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the feeling that we can be alert.

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In fact, if you look at somebody

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and their eyelids are wide open,

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in large part,

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that's because of a lot of adrenaline in their system.

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If their pupils are really big

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and their eyes are really wide open,

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in general, that means they have

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a lot of epinephrine circulating there,

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whereas when we're tired and we're kind of hood-eyed

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and we're sort of sleepy,

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or our pupils are really small,

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in general, that's because levels of epinephrine

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and also dopamine, remember they work together,

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levels of epinephrine and dopamine tend to be lower.

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This is also why when people take any drug,

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like again, not recommending this,

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amphetamine or cocaine or any stimulant,

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their pupils tend to be huge.

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Their eyes tend to be wide open.

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They don't blink very often.

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And the opposite is true when people take sedatives.

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So it all starts to make sense

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when you think about the basic actions of these things.

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For many people, increasing adrenaline or epinephrine

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might seem like a crazy idea.

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Most people probably associate this molecule with stress

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and then would like to be less stressed.

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And we've done entire episodes about stress,

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how to master stress, how to leverage stress,

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how to conquer stress.

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There are a lot of great tools to do that

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that are behavioral, supplementation-based.

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Please see the episode on Mastering Stress for those tools,

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but there are people, including me,

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that want to increase our levels of epinephrine

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at least early in the day.

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I'm somebody who wakes up rather slowly.

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In fact, right after waking up,

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I rarely want to bounce out of bed.

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I try and push myself to do that.

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I'm always impressed by these chakra-willy types

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that are up at 4:30 or up at five and already into action.

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I tend to be kind of thinking about

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thinking about maybe being in action early in the day,

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but I try and push myself to get into action,

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which itself can increase epinephrine.

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I should mention that any physical activity,

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any physical activity,

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walking, running, weight lifting, swimming,

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even talking for that matter

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is going to increase levels of epinephrine.

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Locus coeruleus is a brain structure

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that is tightly coupled with behaviors

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in a bidirectional way.

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That is, when you are in action,

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you increase the amount of epinephrine released

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from locus coeruleus.

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You wake up the brain.

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And conversely, when locus coeruleus is active,

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the brain wakes up, so it's reciprocal.

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It goes both directions.

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So I saw a funny tweet actually earlier today,

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it was something like

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going to the gym gives you energy,

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but you need energy to go to the gym.

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Sounds like a pyramid scheme to me,

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which made me chuckle.

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But of course overlooks the fact that,

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indeed, if you have energy,

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you are more likely to be willing

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to get into physical movement

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or cognitive movement and thinking hard

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or thinking a lot about something.

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But also it is absolutely scientifically proven

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that being in action

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increases levels of epinephrine.

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This is why exercising early in the day

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gives you more energy for rest of day.

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You still might experience a little bit of a crash

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in the afternoon,

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especially if you're getting up extra early,

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or if you're drinking caffeine too close to waking.

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I've talked about this before.

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If you drink too much caffeine close to waking,

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you're going to have an afternoon crash.

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Better to push that caffeine intake out

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about 90 to 120 minutes after waking.

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I know this is really painful for certain people,

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but caffeine does increase epinephrine.

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Caffeine does other things to limit sleepiness.

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And by pushing it out 90 to 120 minutes after waking,

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you will avoid the afternoon crash to a large degree.

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And if you get up and you exercise

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or even do any movement of any kind,

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a hundred jumping jacks or a walk, if you can't do that,

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anything like that will increase

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the total amount of epinephrine that you secrete

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into your bloodstream and in your brain

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and will get you more energy,

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not just in that moment, but throughout the day.

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So keep that in mind.

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Exercise does indeed give you energy.

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It burns caloric energy,

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but it gives you neural energy

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by way of increasing epinephrine transmission

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from locus coeruleus.

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And presumably if the exercise is intense enough,

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adrenaline, epinephrine release,

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from the adrenals within your body, as well.

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So we have exercise and we have caffeine

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as potent tools for increasing epinephrine

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and thereby, energy.

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Another potent tool that's purely behavioral,

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but is known to work,

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based on excellent studies in humans.

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And actually my laboratory has been doing

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similar types of studies

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that are soon to be published, we hope,

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is so-called cyclic hyperventilation.

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Some of you may be familiar with Wim Hof breathing.

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There's also Tummo breathing, which is very similar,

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Kundalini breathing.

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All of those styles of breathing

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involve cyclic hyperventilation,

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deep inhales, and either passive exhales or active exhales,

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but repeating, inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale,

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in a very deep and repetitive way.

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If you were to do that right now,

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doesn't matter if you do it through your nose or mouth,

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although ideally you would do the inhale through your nose

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and the exhale through your mouth,

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if you did that for 25 repetitions,

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25 inhales and exhales, you would feel more alert.

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You'd also feel more warm, why?

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Because you increased epinephrine, adrenaline release

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in the brain and body.

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It works the first time and it works every time

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to increase epinephrine and thereby energy.

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And in fact, there are protocols

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and great scientific studies

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of using cyclic hyperventilation

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for periods of minutes, if not longer,

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where for instance, you would do 25 big inhales and exhales

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followed by a brief breath hold with your lungs empty,

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then repeat 25, then brief breath hold,

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excuse me, exhale, hold your lungs empty.

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And then repeat again for a third round, if you like.

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If you do that over and over, you're going to be very alert.

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You're going to have more energy.

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You're going to feel like

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you want to move around a lot more.

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In fact, you might even feel agitated.

Time: 5558.31

So people with a lot of anxiety

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or prone to panic attack might want to be cautious

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in how they train and embark on that type of breathing,

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might want to approach it a little more carefully

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or avoid it altogether.

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But for most people,

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cyclic hyperventilation is simply going to

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get you more energized and feeling like you want to move,

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feeling like you can think more clearly,

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and you'll be more wide-eyed and alert

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because you are releasing adrenaline.

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And the cold water exposure protocol

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that I talked about earlier

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and that's covered in our episode on cold

Time: 5584.59

and in the newsletter on cold.

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Well that, as I mentioned earlier,

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potently increases dopamine, but also epinephrine.

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So that's another terrific tool,

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whether or not it's applied by cold shower or cold immersion

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or some other thing like cryo,

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that is going to make you more alert

Time: 5600.85

because it releases adrenaline.

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Now we can't really say that there are foods

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to increase epinephrine.

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Rather, there are foods that include a lot of tyrosine

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that will increase dopamine.

Time: 5612.7

And remember, dopamine is the molecule

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from which epinephrine is synthesized.

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So we can't really point to a particular food

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or categories of food for increasing epinephrine.

Time: 5622.12

I think caffeine and things like it

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will increase epinephrine.

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There are of course prescription drugs

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that will increase epinephrine.

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And of course,

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there are all sorts of so-called beta blockers

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that will block the receptors for epinephrine

Time: 5635.95

to make you feel calm for public speaking

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or for various heart conditions, et cetera.

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That's really the domain of physicians

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and should really be worked out with your cardiologist,

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with a physician et cetera.

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I think the tools of exercise

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and should you want very potent increases in adrenaline,

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high intensity exercise,

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as well as the tools of caffeine, cyclic hyperventilation

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and deliberate cold exposure,

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really combine to give you a nice little kit,

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I would say a versatile kit,

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of ways to increase epinephrine

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for sake of having more physical and mental energy.

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So next is the neuromodulator acetylcholine.

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And as I mentioned earlier,

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acetylcholine is associated with states of focus

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and those states of focus

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can be high energy states of focus.

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So the ones that are accompanied by

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high levels of dopamine and epinephrine

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and where we're really excited about

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and really lasered in on something,

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or they can be the calmer, more relaxed states of focus

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like reading a book or practicing music

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or listening very carefully to somebody

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in a way that's relaxed and calm.

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And yet nonetheless,

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where we have a narrow cognitive

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and typically a narrow visual aperture,

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and typically also a narrow auditory aperture.

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That is our auditory system and our visual system

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and our thinking can be very broad.

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It can be all over the place.

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Or it can be very narrow.

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And it can be very focused.

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Acetylcholine is released from two major sites in the brain,

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nucleus basalis, which is in the forebrain

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and extends connections out to many different brain areas

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to offer the opportunity to release acetylcholine locally

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and more or less in a chemical way,

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highlight those particular neurons and synapses

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for strengthening, for plasticity later.

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And it is released from sites in the back of the brain

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in a way that can increase

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the so-called fidelity of information coming in

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through our eyes, our ears, our nose, et cetera.

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What do I mean by fidelity?

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Well, we are constantly being bombarded

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with sensory information through all of our various senses

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and acetylcholine released from this area

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in the back of the brain,

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has the ability to increase the extent to which

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say, visual information

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or just visual and auditory information

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would make it through to our consciousness

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whereas all the other types of sensory information

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that are coming in are filtered out.

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So your brain, because it's taking in all this information

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needs to decide what to pay attention to.

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And in this way, we can say that acetylcholine

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has a lot to do, not just with "focus", in air quotes,

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but literally attention,

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which neural signals become relevant to our consciousness.

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There's a whole discussion to be had there

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and we don't have time for that.

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Rather, I'd like to focus on what are the tools

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that one can use

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to maintain healthy baselines of acetylcholine

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and increase acetylcholine for sake of learning

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any type of information, physical, cognitive, or otherwise.

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Now it turns out there have been a lot of studies,

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including many quality peer reviewed studies

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carried out in humans,

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looking at what happens

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when you increase acetylcholine levels in the brain

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and you accompany that with the attempt to learn.

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And what you find almost always

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is that people experience increased focus,

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that when measured the neuronal responses

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become more specific,

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so less broad scale activity in the brain

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and more specific neural circuit activity

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and that this triggers immediate and long-lasting changes

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in the way those circuits work,

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even when acetylcholine is not being deployed,

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so-called neuroplasticity, the circuits literally change.

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So this is great.

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The work of Michael Silver at Berkeley,

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the work of Mike Merzenich at UCSF,

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the work of Michael Kilgard down in Texas,

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all of those laboratories

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see this again and again, and again.

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Increase acetylcholine before and during learning.

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And there's a much higher probability

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that the learning will quote, unquote,

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"sink in", that the information will be retained

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because those neural circuits change.

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Now ways to increase acetylcholine in a potent way

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include again, nutrition and supplementation.

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It is important to have baseline levels of acetylcholine

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be sufficiently high, as well.

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And for that really the ideal situation

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is to regularly ingest foods that provide enough

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of the precursors for acetylcholine to be made.

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If you go online and you were to do a search

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of which foods contain a lot of choline,

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which is related to the synthesis of acetylcholine,

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you would get some interesting information back.

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For instance, beef liver

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is the most potent source of choline.

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I know nowadays there's kind of a growing micro trend

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if you will, of ingesting beef liver,

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even raw liver, which to be honest,

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the thought of ingesting raw liver of any kind

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activates my area postrema,

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which is the area of the brain that triggers nausea.

Time: 5924.64

In fact, I'm starting to salivate a bit,

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not because I'm hungry,

Time: 5927.093

but I think the whole concept makes me ill.

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Nonetheless, cooked liver

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or raw liver for that matter,

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or liver of any kind seems to contain a lot of choline.

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I realize most people,

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most people are not going to be running out

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and ingesting large amounts of beef liver.

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Eggs contain a lot of choline.

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Beef contains choline.

Time: 5947.59

Soybeans contain choline.

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So there are vegan or non-meat sources,

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chicken, fish, mushrooms, kidney beans,

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these sorts of things contain a lot of choline

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and there are other vegetables that contain choline.

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So depending on your dietary preferences and needs,

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you can select certain foods to ingest,

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to get enough choline to synthesize

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enough baseline acetyl choline.

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In the realm of supplementation,

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there are some excellent tools

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for increasing acetylcholine

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in the acute short-term,

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meaning over the course of about 30 minutes

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out to about two hours or maybe even four hours.

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And the number of different molecules that can do that,

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that are available without a prescription,

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at least in the US, is pretty vast.

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The most common of those molecules is actually nicotine.

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Nicotinic acetylcholine receptors

Time: 5993.55

are abundant throughout the body and brain.

Time: 5995.83

They're in various brain circuits.

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They are on muscle and yes,

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smoking nicotine either by vaping or cigarette

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will activate those nicotinic receptors.

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But of course, smoking is a terrible thing.

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It will also activate things like lung cancer.

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So I definitely don't recommend that.

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It also activates addiction because of the ways

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that it triggers activation of the dopamine circuit.

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So I think that triggering activation

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of acetylcholine-related pathways by ingesting nicotine

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by way of inhalants is generally a bad idea.

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However, some people will chew Nicorette

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or other nicotine type gums.

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I've never done that,

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but I have friends who actually rely on that.

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These are typically former smokers

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that are trying not to smoke,

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but still want to get some of the focus enhancement

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that they experience from nicotine.

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Some people are very sensitive to nicotine,

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and this is important.

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Some people are very sensitive to ingested nicotine.

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So nowadays there are nicotine-dipped toothpicks,

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there of course, is nicotine gum

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and other sources of nicotine.

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Some people can take that and feel fine.

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Some people take it and feel absolutely terrible.

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I confess, I've never actually tried nicotine

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in any of those forms so I don't know how they work for me,

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but some people do use them as cognitive enhancers.

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In fact, I know one Nobel prize winning neuroscientist,

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who's quite well known in our field

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for chewing Nicorette all day long.

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He insists that it really helps him with his focus

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and he is exceedingly smart and productive,

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although I'm sure there are other reasons for that.

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Supplements that I have used and do use

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for increasing acetylcholine

Time: 6093.45

are things like Alpha GPC or Huperzinene.

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Alpha GPC

Time: 6099.81

is in the choline pathway,

Time: 6102.36

such that more acetylcholine is synthesized

Time: 6105.03

after you ingest it.

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That's the general logic or framework of how it works.

Time: 6108.87

Whereas Huperzinene is mainly in the enzymatic pathway.

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It tends to adjust how much acetylcholine is broken down

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and lead to net increases in acetylcholine.

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I will often take 300 milligrams of Alpha GPC

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prior to workouts or prior to cognitive work bouts.

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But when I say often, I tend to do this anywhere

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from three to four times a week, typically not every day.

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Although there are people

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including people who are trying

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to offset age-related cognitive decline,

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that will take 300 milligrams of Alpha GPC

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three times a day, every day,

Time: 6142.68

which closely mimic some of the studies

Time: 6144.66

that have been done on humans,

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looking at offsetting age-related cognitive decline,

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using things like Alpha GPC.

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I should point out that there have been a few studies,

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a few, not many,

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but these studies emphasize that people

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who take a lot of Alpha GPC chronically over time

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may be at increased risk for stroke.

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I think the data are still out on that

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and we need more data.

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But for me, in terms of thinking

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about the risk benefit profiles,

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taking 300 milligrams of Alpha GPC,

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most certainly does increase my ability to focus.

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I've noticed that.

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I tend to take it alongside caffeine

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and phenylethylamine.

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So I take that in combination

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either before workouts or workbouts,

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really sharpens my focus.

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And again, I'm doing that three, maybe four times per week.

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And I'm careful to do that in the early part of the day

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so that it does not disrupt my sleep.

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Although I have taken Alpha GPC

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in the second half of the day,

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and I had no trouble sleeping at all.

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I don't know what the exact half life is of the given form

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that's typically in supplementation.

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It's actually hard to get that information.

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But typically the focus effects wear off after

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about two, maybe four hours maximum.

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Now one thing that I don't think

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has ever been discussed before,

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certainly not on this podcast

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is that if you take Alpha GPC,

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even semi-regularly,

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you may notice that a particular feature

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of your blood work will increase and that's TMAO,

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which is sometimes associated

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with increased cardiovascular risk.

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This may, again, may relate to some of the potential risk

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of very high levels of Alpha GPC ingestion over many years,

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increasing stroke risk.

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Again, those studies looked at people

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who've been taking it for up to a decade,

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but in any case,

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one way to prevent the increase in TMAO,

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if you're taking Alpha GPC at all

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is to take 600 milligrams of garlic

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because it contains something called allicin.

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This was a trick that was handed off to me

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by Dr. Kyle Gillette,

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who again, was a guest on this podcast some time ago,

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talking about hormones and hormone health.

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Turns out that ingestion of 600 milligrams of allicin

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alongside or even just same day as Alpha GPC

Time: 6270.33

can really clamp those TMAO levels

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that would otherwise increase if you're taking Alpha GPC.

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And indeed I've done the blood work

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and that turns out to be the case.

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I saw a spike in TMAO.

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I started taking 600 milligrams of garlic

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and those TMAO levels came down.

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And last as it relates to acetylcholine,

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but certainly not least,

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just as acetylcholine can increase focus,

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focus can increase acetylcholine.

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I talked a lot about this in the episode on focus,

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but there are behavioral tools

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that you can use to enhance focus.

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Things like staring at a particular visual target

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at the same distance at

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which you're going to perform some work

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and doing that for 30 to 60 seconds,

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narrowing in a very deliberate way, your visual field,

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and then moving into a focused work about.

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That behavioral practice of narrowing your visual aperture

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will increase the amount of acetylcholine transmission

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in particular neural circuits

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that will then make it easier to focus.

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How do we know that?

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Well, I covered in that episode,

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some of the peer reviewed studies

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that relate to protocols

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that are now actively being deployed

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in schools in China and elsewhere,

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where kids are doing deliberate visual focus exercises

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in order to increase their mental focus.

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And while they're not doing microdialysis

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or brain imaging on those kids in real time,

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the cognitive effects and indeed the performance effects

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in terms of academic ability and output

Time: 6352.35

are pretty impressive.

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So acetylcholine increases focus.

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We talked about some dietary

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and some supplementation-based ways

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to improve acetylcholine,

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or I should say increase acetylcholine.

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And that does in fact lead to increases

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in one's ability to focus.

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This is why a lot of the prescription drugs

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for the treatment

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of Alzheimer's age-related cognitive decline

Time: 6374.43

and indeed, even some of the drugs

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that tap into treatments for ADHD

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also involve the acetylcholine system.

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So there's nothing surprising or heretical here,

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but it is important to point out

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that your behavioral ability to focus

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is also related to your ability to access

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and deploy acetylcholine.

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So never do we want purely pharmacologic treatments

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to be the only way that people are increasing

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a given neuromodulator.

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I always say behaviors first,

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then nutrition,

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then supplementation.

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And then if there's a need,

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certainly a clinical need, then prescription drugs,

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et cetera, of course administered through a physician.

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So let's discuss serotonin.

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Serotonin, as I mentioned earlier,

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is associated with brain and body states of well-being,

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of comfort, of satiety,

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and therefore should come as no surprise

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that a lot of the prescription drug treatments

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for things like depression

Time: 6428.04

involve increasing levels of serotonin

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in the brain and body.

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That said, anytime you talk about

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prescription drugs for serotonin,

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we also want to acknowledge that

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there are often side effects associated

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with increasing serotonin,

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in particular, if serotonin levels go too high,

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that is if the dosages of those treatments go too high,

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people will, for instance,

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feel reduced appetite, reduced libido,

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increased lethargy, et cetera.

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And there's a so-called serotonergic syndrome.

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All of that can and should be considered

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with a well-trained physician,

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so because they're prescription drugs,

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controlling the dosage,

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deciding what dosage to take,

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deciding which SSRI to take

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and whether or not to come off those drugs,

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how to come off those drugs.

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Again, all of that should be handled

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with a licensed physician.

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That said, there are behavioral tools, nutritional tools,

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and supplementation tools

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that can tap into the serotonin system,

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not to the same degree in potency,

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but nonetheless, in ways that can still impact

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our feelings of well-being in positive ways.

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So let's focus first on the behavioral tools

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and some of these might make people chuckle a little bit,

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but I want to point out that a lot of these tools

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are quite potent.

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In fact, they are power tools for modulating serotonin.

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And we know that based on human neuro imaging studies,

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human and animal microdialysis studies

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and other studies that really have evaluated

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circulating levels of serotonin

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and the particular brain circuits that release serotonin

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when people do certain things.

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What sorts of things?

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Well, for instance, physical contact,

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in particular with loved ones,

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this can be romantic love.

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This can be children, so your own children

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or your spouse, even if it's not sexual contact,

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friend to friend contact,

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even friend to animal contact, you know,

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as a former dog owner,

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I hope to have another dog soon

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'cause unfortunately Costello passed away,

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but there is something really comforting

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and wonderful about petting your dog.

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And certainly, given that many of the studies on serotonin

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and these other neuromodulators were done on animal models,

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we also know that serotonin is being evoked in the dog

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and of course in the child

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and in the significant other, et cetera.

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So things like holding hands, believe it or not,

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hugs, cuddling, et cetera,

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can increase serotonin transmission

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and they make people feel good.

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This shouldn't really come as a surprise.

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There's also gratitude.

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And we did an entire episode about gratitude.

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There's a lot of misunderstanding about gratitude.

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Oftentimes when people hear gratitude, they think,

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oh, gratitude, this is just being thankful

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for what you have and it's kind of a weak sauce effect,

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meaning, you know, it's kind of like,

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maybe a little serotonin goes up

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or maybe there's a little bit

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of increased feelings of well-being.

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Nothing could be further from the truth.

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It turns out, first of all,

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that receiving not giving gratitude

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is what has the most potent effects

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on increasing serotonin and activity of the brain circuits

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that involve serotonin

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and that lead to increases in feelings of well-being.

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So this is interesting.

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Receiving much more than giving gratitude

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is what activates those serotonergic pathways.

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So the takeaway from that is

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both give and receive gratitude

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and of course, do it in an authentic way.

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The other thing about gratitude

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that's somewhat counterintuitive is that

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observing others giving and receiving gratitude

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is immensely powerful for evoking serotonin

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and the activity of serotonergic circuits in you,

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the observer.

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So receiving and observing gratitude

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turns out to be the most potent way to increase serotonin

Time: 6640.35

in the brain and body.

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And these again are dramatic effects

Time: 6643.44

that are quite long-lasting

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and not the sorts of effects

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that are going to lead to side effects,

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at least there's no reason to think they would.

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Now what about nutritional approaches

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to increasing serotonin?

Time: 6654.12

Well, just as we have tyrosine as an amino acid precursor

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upstream of dopamine synthesis,

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we have the amino acid tryptophan,

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which is upstream of serotonin synthesis.

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And one simply has to go online

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and put in tryptophan containing foods

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and you will discover that there are a lot of foods

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that are enriched in tryptophan

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that can lead to net increases in the amount of serotonin

Time: 6678.99

available in the brain and body.

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The most kind of famous or infamous of these

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is white meat turkey,

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the so-called tryptophan effect where people get very sleepy

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after eating white meat turkey.

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And it is indeed highly enriched in tryptophan

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although typically the getting sleepy after eating turkey

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is most often associated with the Thanksgiving meal

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and the Thanksgiving meal, at least in the US,

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is often associated with people vastly overeating.

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And so I do want to point out

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that if you fill your gut with food,

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no matter what that food is,

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there's going to be a diversion of blood to your gut

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that's going to make you feel sleepy

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because there's a diversion of blood

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away from other tissues.

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So if you eat a lot, you're going to get sleepy, period,

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whether or not you eat turkey or some other substance.

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Nonetheless, there are a number of foods

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that contain a lot of tryptophan

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and that some people will leverage

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in order to try and increase the total amount

Time: 6725.52

of circulating serotonin available to them

Time: 6727.56

in order to have a modest increase

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in overall mood and well-being.

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So what are some of these foods?

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These are things like milk, in particular, whole milk,

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so full fat milk.

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I know a number of people choose not to drink milk

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'cause they're lactose intolerant.

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I'm raising my hand 'cause I'm one such person,

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although when I was a kid, I did enjoy milk.

Time: 6748.29

Canned tuna.

Time: 6749.73

Turkey, as we mentioned before, high in tryptophan.

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Oats, I am a consumer of oatmeal so that resonates with me.

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Cheese and here I read,

Time: 6758.04

although not as high in tryptophan as meat

Time: 6759.84

and other dairy sources,

Time: 6762.15

certain cheeses like cheddar cheeses

Time: 6763.53

can be rich in tryptophan.

Time: 6765.21

Certain nuts and seeds, certain breads.

Time: 6768.27

Chocolate, I know a number of people

Time: 6770.13

will be relieved to hear that.

Time: 6771.48

I know chocolate lovers are always looking

Time: 6773.55

for an excuse to eat chocolate.

Time: 6775.05

I confess I've never really liked chocolate,

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except dare I say,

Time: 6777.84

I like the smooth 100% percent chocolates.

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I know many people gag when they hear a hundred percent,

Time: 6782.05

but I actually really like them.

Time: 6783.54

And some fruits can be highly enriched in tryptophan,

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things like bananas and apples and things of that sort,

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although not nearly to the degree of things

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like turkey, canned tuna and milk.

Time: 6794.85

I'm sure there are other excellent sources of tryptophan

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from the diet, including vegan sources

Time: 6800.28

so please peruse the internet to try

Time: 6802.14

and find the sources that are compatible

Time: 6803.79

with your nutritional program,

Time: 6805.8

if indeed your goal is to increase tryptophan.

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Now there are supplements that can increase tryptophan

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and can do so quite potently.

Time: 6813.6

One of the ones that has received increasing attention

Time: 6817.17

as of lately is cissus quadrangularis,

Time: 6820.41

complicated name,

Time: 6821.94

when taken in dosages of about 300 to 600 milligrams

Time: 6825.72

can pretty dramatically increase serotonin levels.

Time: 6829.59

In fact, anywhere from 30% to 39% increases

Time: 6833.79

in circulating serotonin.

Time: 6835.68

That's a big increase

Time: 6837.81

and I can provide a link to that study.

Time: 6839.82

The study was focused, not so much on serotonin,

Time: 6842.76

but was focused mainly on treatment of obesity

Time: 6846.12

and appetite and weight loss.

Time: 6847.92

And it should come as no surprise that serotonin,

Time: 6851.37

if increased, might lead to decreases in appetite.

Time: 6855.09

A cautionary note,

Time: 6857.13

cissus quadrangularis may need to be cycled.

Time: 6861.03

How quickly to cycle it,

Time: 6862.41

meaning do you do two weeks on, two weeks off?

Time: 6865.17

Whether or not you need to do more rapid cycling

Time: 6867.6

like two days on, two days off, is a matter of debate.

Time: 6870.48

There are not a lot of data on this just yet.

Time: 6873.21

There are a lot of opinions about this on the internet,

Time: 6875.28

but again, not a lot of quality peer review data.

Time: 6877.92

Nonetheless cissus quadrangularis has been shown

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to increase serotonin in humans

Time: 6882.84

and for people that are seeking to increase serotonin

Time: 6885.6

maybe in particular,

Time: 6886.92

for sake of appetite and weight control,

Time: 6889.23

that might be a useful compound.

Time: 6891.12

I know many people also take 5-HTP,

Time: 6893.52

one of the precursors to serotonin

Time: 6896.07

in dosages of anywhere from 300 to 500 milligrams.

Time: 6899.01

Typically people are doing this in anticipation of sleep,

Time: 6902.28

meaning in the final hour of wakefulness

Time: 6904.44

before going to sleep.

Time: 6906.24

I myself have tried 5-HTP prior to sleep

Time: 6909

and all I can tell you is that it led to very deep sleep

Time: 6911.55

for about one to three hours.

Time: 6912.78

And then I woke up and I could not fall back asleep.

Time: 6915.12

I ran that experiment twice

Time: 6916.92

before I decided to abandon 5-HTP as a sleep aid.

Time: 6919.74

And that's why I've never put it into our sleep kit

Time: 6922.74

or at least my sleep kit.

Time: 6924.9

And when I refer to the sleep kit,

Time: 6926.76

that's something you can find at HubermanLab.com.

Time: 6928.77

This is zero cost resource

Time: 6930.18

where you can see behavioral tools

Time: 6932.04

and also supplementation tools

Time: 6934.59

that can improve the transition time

Time: 6936.54

into and the depth of sleep.

Time: 6938.07

And none of those rely on 5-HTP supplementation.

Time: 6941.61

That said,

Time: 6942.443

I know a number of people use 5-HTP supplementation

Time: 6945.84

outside of sleep,

Time: 6947.22

or I should say during the daytime

Time: 6948.51

to try and increase serotonin

Time: 6950.04

and it will indeed increase circulating serotonin.

Time: 6952.98

But again, people vary in their sensitivity

Time: 6955.56

to these sorts of things.

Time: 6957.09

Some people might find for instance,

Time: 6958.263

that 300 milligrams of 5-HTP is just far too much.

Time: 6961.8

It blunts their appetite, might even reduce libido.

Time: 6964.86

There aren't a lot of very well controlled studies

Time: 6966.81

looking at this

Time: 6967.71

and so it has to be figured out on an individual basis,

Time: 6970.26

if you decide to approach it at all.

Time: 6972.42

Now one molecule that I've found

Time: 6973.89

to be particularly interesting and useful

Time: 6976.2

and this is one that I haven't talked about yet

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on this podcast

Time: 6979.35

is inositol, in particular myo-inositol.

Time: 6983.13

Myo-inositol can have the effect of increasing serotonin

Time: 6987.21

and other neurochemicals,

Time: 6989.82

but primarily at least in terms

Time: 6991.62

of the neuromodulators discussed today, serotonin.

Time: 6994.65

I've been taking 900 milligrams of myo-inositol

Time: 6998.04

every third night or so

Time: 6999.42

as a test of its ability to improve sleep.

Time: 7001.61

And I have to say,

Time: 7002.93

the depth and quality of sleep that I've been obtaining

Time: 7006.17

on myo-inositol is pretty remarkable.

Time: 7009.29

In fact, I've used it alone

Time: 7010.97

and in combination

Time: 7012.11

with the magnesium threonate, apigenin, theanine sleep kit

Time: 7015.41

that I've talked about and that's included in that,

Time: 7017.81

again, zero cost kit that's available

Time: 7019.79

as a PDF on our website.

Time: 7021.38

So myo-inositol is known

Time: 7022.91

to increase circulating levels of serotonin.

Time: 7025.43

It has been explored extensively

Time: 7028.07

in both animal models and in humans

Time: 7030.23

for its daytime use for treating anxiety.

Time: 7033.35

It does seem to reduce anxiety.

Time: 7035.42

And for all sorts of things.

Time: 7037.31

It's been explored for bipolar disorder.

Time: 7039.5

We're going to do an episode about bipolar disorder coming up.

Time: 7042.92

It's been explored for the treatment of migraine.

Time: 7045.14

It's been explored for ADHD.

Time: 7047.03

It's been explored for a huge number

Time: 7049.13

of different conditions of brain and body.

Time: 7051.35

Again, I've been using the 900 milligrams

Time: 7053.39

of myo-inositol in the 30 to 60 minutes before sleep

Time: 7057.08

to improve my sleep

Time: 7058.16

and it has been doing that very dramatically,

Time: 7060.2

especially when I take it alongside

Time: 7062.6

the rest of those sleep kit supplements.

Time: 7065.33

A quick note about myo-inositol

Time: 7067.07

for sake of increasing serotonin.

Time: 7069.41

if you look at the human studies on myo-inositol

Time: 7072.08

that are out there

Time: 7073.1

and in particular focus on the human studies,

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what you'll find is that the dosages that are often used

Time: 7078.14

are tremendously high,

Time: 7079.34

things like five grams,

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eight grams, 18 grams of myo-inositol

Time: 7083.57

taken throughout the day.

Time: 7085.34

I don't know how people stomach that.

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And in fact, many people drop out of those studies

Time: 7089.12

because of gastric discomfort.

Time: 7091.91

And yet I also wonder how people tolerate it

Time: 7094.49

because it has somewhat of a sedative effect

Time: 7096.17

and this kind of anti-anxiety effect.

Time: 7098.57

And I can't even imagine

Time: 7100.31

given my experience with 900 milligrams,

Time: 7102.47

what one would experience taking multiple

Time: 7105.29

or many more grams per day.

Time: 7107.57

So I certainly am not encouraging that.

Time: 7110.48

And the only reason I mention myo-inositol

Time: 7112.88

is that it has a known effect of increasing serotonin.

Time: 7116.51

At least in my experience,

Time: 7118.1

it does not lead to this falling deeply asleep

Time: 7120.41

and waking back up.

Time: 7121.43

Actually to the contrary,

Time: 7122.45

if I wake up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom,

Time: 7124.43

or I wake up at the middle of the night,

Time: 7125.54

for whatever other reason,

Time: 7127.04

I find it far easier to fall back asleep

Time: 7129.8

if I've taken 900 milligrams myo-inositol prior to sleep.

Time: 7133.97

So for me, it's proving to be a quite useful compound.

Time: 7137

I'm not aware of having any serotonergic deficiency overall.

Time: 7140.75

I don't consider myself depressed.

Time: 7142.58

And of course I should mention that no supplement

Time: 7145.58

either added or withdrawn from your protocol

Time: 7148.25

should ever be used as a direct replacement

Time: 7151.34

for prescription drug treatments

Time: 7152.66

that your physician has given you.

Time: 7153.493

You should always talk to your physician

Time: 7155.03

anytime you remove or add something to your drug protocol

Time: 7158.81

or prescription protocol, of course.

Time: 7160.73

So we've got behavioral protocols

Time: 7162.83

that as silly as it feels to say,

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have been shown to potently increase serotonin,

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things like physical contact, cuddling,

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holding hands with people that you love, of course, right?

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I think if they were people that you despise,

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it would have the opposite effect for obvious reasons.

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But also receiving gratitude and observing gratitude,

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very potent increases in serotonin

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and things like cissus quadrangularis,

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things like 5-HGP may have their uses, right?

Time: 7190.1

They're very potent at increasing serotonin,

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but they do seem to have the need to cycle them

Time: 7196.19

and they are nuanced.

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Some people respond well to them,

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others like myself don't

Time: 7200.87

and of course, always be on the lookout for dramatic

Time: 7203.87

or even subtle decreases in appetite

Time: 7205.79

or libido or things that you might not want

Time: 7208.31

if you are going to be tinkering

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with your serotonergic levels and pathways.

Time: 7213.29

And then myo-inositol actually

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is proving to be quite useful to me

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and whether or not that's

Time: 7219.2

because of its effects on serotonin

Time: 7221.12

or through some of its other effects on

Time: 7223.58

maybe reducing anxiety,

Time: 7224.78

which certainly I experience

Time: 7225.86

if I wake up in the middle of the night,

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I don't like waking up in the middle of the night,

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but on myo-inositol,

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I sort of seem to not really care that I woke up

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and I fall right back asleep.

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So the direct source of the positive effects

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that I'm getting aren't clear, but nonetheless,

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I thought I'd pass it along as a useful tool

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because it is out there

Time: 7240.53

and it is available over the counter

Time: 7242.72

and provided you're taking the appropriate safety steps

Time: 7245.21

in considering whether or not to use it or not,

Time: 7247.85

I think it might be a useful tool.

Time: 7249.92

And of course,

Time: 7250.753

as with all the other neuromodulators we discussed,

Time: 7253.58

you have both a baseline of serotonin

Time: 7256.79

and the ability to give

Time: 7258.41

or provide yourself peaks of serotonin

Time: 7260.66

through these various protocols.

Time: 7262.22

The dietary interventions of the sort that I mentioned,

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meaning eating foods that are enriched in tryptophan,

Time: 7268.49

those are mainly going to

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adjust your baseline levels of tryptophan.

Time: 7272.84

For instance, if you really want to be sleepy,

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sure you could eat some white meat turkey

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in hopes that that tryptophan will convert to serotonin

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and make you sleepy, et cetera.

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But in general,

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those are going to be pretty long-lasting effects,

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especially given the fact that not all

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of the tryptophan you will ingest

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is going to be converted into serotonin in your brain.

Time: 7291.59

It's going to have other effects

Time: 7292.79

on other tissues and organs of your body.

Time: 7295.04

Nonetheless, if you want to increase serotonin,

Time: 7297.47

providing the appropriate baseline context

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is going to be useful.

Time: 7301.52

And again, this is a general theme

Time: 7303.29

of all four of these neuromodulators,

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dopamine, epinephrine, acetylcholine and serotonin.

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You want to make sure that you have

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sufficient baseline levels of those things

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through things like diet, regular behaviors,

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and then you have the opportunity to use supplementation

Time: 7319.43

and if it's appropriate for you, prescription drugs,

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and certain behavioral protocols

Time: 7323.36

to try and get these potent increases,

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these acute increases in whichever the neuromodulators

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you happen to want to leverage for your particular goals.

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So that brings us to the end of at least this exploration

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of the neuromodulators,

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dopamine, epinephrine,

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acetylcholine and serotonin.

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Some of you who are regular listeners of this podcast

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might be saying, well, we've heard all this before, right?

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You had an episode on dopamine.

Time: 7345.83

You had an episode on anxiety.

Time: 7347.21

You had an episode on sleep.

Time: 7348.5

And indeed that's true.

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But what I've tried to provide today

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is a framework that cuts through all those episodes

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and at the same time builds out a new

Time: 7358.79

and what I believe to be

Time: 7359.69

a really important theme and principle,

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which is that whether or not you're using nutritional tools

Time: 7366.26

or supplementation or prescription drugs

Time: 7368.96

or any other sort of protocol

Time: 7371.39

to try and create a desired effect of focus

Time: 7374.72

or energy, motivation, relaxation,

Time: 7377.69

you are playing with the same neurochemical ingredients,

Time: 7381.95

just as in the realm of nutrition,

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you have macronutrients,

Time: 7385.58

you have proteins, carbohydrates, and fats

Time: 7388.07

that can be adjusted in different ratios

Time: 7389.9

and arranged at different times

Time: 7391.94

in order to achieve certain desired effects.

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Well, when it comes to your neurochemistry

Time: 7397.16

and your ability to perform mentally, to perform physically,

Time: 7400.76

and your overall well-being,

Time: 7403.91

you are dealing with a small handful

Time: 7406.34

of especially potent molecules.

Time: 7408.5

And I acknowledge that there are many neuromodulators.

Time: 7411.92

There are indeed many neurotransmitters,

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glutamine, glycine, GABA, et cetera.

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But today we focused on the main four,

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meaning the most potent

Time: 7420.47

and most widespread neuromodulators in the brain and body

Time: 7424.82

that give you access to particular brain states

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and body states of the sort that most people desire.

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So what I'm hoping is that

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rather than decide that any one tool is the most useful

Time: 7437.03

or that any one neurochemical

Time: 7439.34

is most useful for that matter,

Time: 7441.56

that the information that I've provided today

Time: 7443.75

allows you a kit of versatile tools

Time: 7447.17

that allows you to figure out

Time: 7449.15

what levels of dopamine and augmentation of dopamine

Time: 7453.02

are appropriate and necessary for you.

Time: 7455

What levels of acetylcholine

Time: 7457.67

and tools for manipulating acetylcholine

Time: 7460.13

are going to be most useful for you

Time: 7461.6

and so on and so forth

Time: 7463.19

because at least at this stage in time,

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that is June, 2022,

Time: 7470.12

there is no simple at home test.

Time: 7472.22

In fact, there is no simple laboratory test

Time: 7474.86

that allows us to know whether or not

Time: 7476.39

our dopamine levels are high

Time: 7477.377

and our serotonin levels are low.

Time: 7479.27

We can look at somebody and their behavior.

Time: 7481.22

We can look at ourselves and our own mood and behavior.

Time: 7484.07

And we can infer what those levels may or may not be.

Time: 7488.78

But unfortunately, we don't have a really good test

Time: 7493.07

of dopamine levels or serotonin levels

Time: 7495.23

that would allow us to say,

Time: 7497.36

okay, this person, or I need to increase dopamine two-fold

Time: 7501.89

in order to achieve the kind of motivation that we want.

Time: 7504.86

Unfortunately, that doesn't exist.

Time: 7506.24

Rather, we are confronted with a situation

Time: 7509.06

where we understand

Time: 7510.92

generally what these different neuromodulators do,

Time: 7512.99

the different mental states and physical states

Time: 7514.97

that they tend to put us into.

Time: 7516.71

And we reviewed those.

Time: 7517.88

And we know that there are really potent tools

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to adjust those neuromodulators,

Time: 7523.82

if not alone, but in certain combinations,

Time: 7526.91

that is ingestion of caffeine will tap into

Time: 7530.36

and support dopamine and epinephrine.

Time: 7533.75

Increasing dopamine and epinephrine

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alongside increasing acetylcholine

Time: 7539.39

will allow us to access certain brain states,

Time: 7541.55

that is focused, alert, energized, brain states,

Time: 7544.73

great for learning and plasticity of all kinds.

Time: 7547.82

Whereas augmenting serotonin is going to put us

Time: 7550.61

into a more relaxed state and so on and so forth.

Time: 7552.95

And I'd like you to keep in mind

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that there is no negotiating

Time: 7557.3

the fact that we all have different phases

Time: 7559.7

of our 24-hour cycle

Time: 7561.05

during which those very same neuromodulators

Time: 7563.3

tend to be naturally higher or naturally lower

Time: 7565.88

and I reviewed that at the beginning of the episode.

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So my wish for you is that you will take this information,

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experiment with it as you see fit for you and in a safe way.

Time: 7575.42

And as you go forward,

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to really try and gain intuition and understanding

Time: 7580.46

as to not just how these protocols work,

Time: 7583.43

but how any protocol that you might encounter,

Time: 7586.19

supplement-based, drug-based,

Time: 7588.62

behavioral-based,

Time: 7589.7

how those might tap into these different

Time: 7591.29

major neuromodulator systems.

Time: 7592.85

And from that, to be able to better predict

Time: 7595.37

and evaluate whether or not

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they're going to be useful to you,

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detrimental to you,

Time: 7599.09

or whether or not they should be used in combinations

Time: 7601.28

that would be more useful to you.

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