How to Optimize Fertility in Males & Females

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ANDREW HUBERMAN: Welcome to the Huberman Lab podcast,

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where we discuss science and science-based tools

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for everyday life.

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I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor

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of neurobiology and ophthalmology

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at Stanford School of Medicine.

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Today we are discussing fertility.

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We will discuss male fertility and female fertility.

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And I should mention that today's discussion is not just

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for people who are seeking to conceive children

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or who want to know how their children were conceived,

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but it's really for everybody.

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And I say that because it is the story of all of us.

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All of us are here because a specialized set

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of cells, called germ cells--

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that is the sperm and the egg.

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And I'll make it very clear why they're called

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germ cells a little bit later.

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It has nothing to do with infection.

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But it's because a sperm cell and an egg cell arrived at one

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another, either in vivo-- inside of our mother-- or in vitro--

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so-called in vitro fertilization-- and then

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we're implanted into our mother and became us.

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And so understanding the process of how

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the egg cell and the sperm cell came to be

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is really the key to understanding

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how that fertilization process came to be.

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Now, I know everyone's thinking, I

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know how fertilization occurs.

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It occurs through sexual intercourse and so on.

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And we'll talk a little bit about that.

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But I promise you that if you understand

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the menstrual cycle--

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and the menstrual cycle in today's conversation

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can best be thought of as a biological cycle that

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occurs in females that allows the potential for fertilization

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by the sperm, because that's really what it is,

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and it's a beautifully orchestrated process

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that I'll describe to you.

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And I should say, all people, males and females, should

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really understand how the menstrual cycle works,

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how it impacts fertilization, but also

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how it impacts the brain and body, behavior, psychology,

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et cetera.

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And we'll also talk about spermatogenesis,

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how sperm cells come to be and how they arrive--

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that is, how they swim to the egg--

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and the incredible interplay between the biology

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of the sperm and the biology of the egg

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leads to this incredible thing that we call embryogenesis

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and the birth of the child and, of course,

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the development of that child into an infant, a toddler,

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an adolescent, a teen, and an adult.

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Today's discussion, again, is not just

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for those of you that are seeking to have children.

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And I say that because when you look at the data,

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you look at the literature on longevity and vitality,

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two themes in biology that oftentimes people lump together

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but aren't always the same-- for instance,

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there are a lot of things that we

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can do to increase our vitality that actually

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can harm our longevity.

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But there are a subset of biological rules and mechanisms

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that, when aligned, allow us to maximize both

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our vitality and our longevity.

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And I think it's fair to say that all of those mechanisms

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and tools are housed in the discussion

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around maximizing fertility.

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And that's true whether or not you're male or female.

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In other words, if you want children

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or if you don't, if you already have children

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or if you don't, understanding how fertility and fertilization

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occurs in the brain and body will

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allow you to maximize your vitality and longevity.

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And of course, today's discussion

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will provide an understanding of the biology

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and many actionable tools that will also help you conceive

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children, if that's your wish.

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So of course, as is characteristic of this podcast,

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we will discuss science-based tools,

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including behavioral tools, both the dos and the don'ts, and we

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will discuss nutrition-based tools and supplementation-based

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tools and some other practices, including things like

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acupuncture, which have quite good data to support them

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in terms of improving fertility.

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And we will discuss why those certain practices can work.

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And we will discuss prescription drugs

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that your doctor can prescribe to you if, for instance, you

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have a deficit at the level of hormone production

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or neurotransmitter production at the level of the brain

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or the pituitary gland--

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I'll explain what all of those things are soon--

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or the gonads, the ovary and the testes in females and males

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respectively.

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Again, by the end of today's episode,

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you will have a lot of knowledge and actionable tools related

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to maximizing fertility, and you will

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have a lot of knowledge and actionable tools related

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to maximizing vitality and longevity.

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Let's talk about fertility.

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And in doing so, let's take a step back from this word

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"fertility" and ask, what is fertility and fertilization

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really all about?

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Well, the obvious answer is that it's about producing offspring.

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But more importantly, it's about producing offspring

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that contain the genetic components of both parents

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and indeed contain half of the genes from one parent

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and half of the genes from another parent.

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Now, there are two general types of cells in the body.

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The most common types of cells in the body

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are called somatic cells.

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So these would be all the cells in your body

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except the egg in females and the sperm in males.

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The egg in females and the sperm males

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are part of what's called the germline.

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And again, it has nothing to do with infection.

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It's just that the cells of the germline have genes that cannot

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be modified by the behavior of the individual that houses

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those genes.

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What do I mean by that?

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Well, if I were to tell you that by exercising you can improve

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mitochondrial function, you can change hormones

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by reducing stress, you can reduce cortisol

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by hitting puberty, for instance, you

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will have the secretion of hormones that then change

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gene expression in other cells, leading

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to the development of body hair, facial hair,

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deepening the voice, breast growth, et cetera,

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you'd say, OK, great.

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Yeah, that all makes perfect sense.

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But that's all occurring in the so-called somatic cells.

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The germ cells or the germline cells--

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that is, the egg and the sperm--

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are a very unique and protected set

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of cells that are generated in a particular way

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and whose genetic components are not modifiable by experience.

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And when you take a step back and you think about it,

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you say, oh, that's right.

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There's no reason to think that exercising

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will make the children that you have not yet had stronger.

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And you say, of course not.

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Well, why is that?

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Well, that's because there is a barrier

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between the genes of the germline cells and behaviors.

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They cannot be modified by behaviors and the various

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things that you do in your lifetime.

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Now, I suppose there's an exception

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in the negative direction.

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And what I'm referring to here is if you were to, say,

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be exposed to a chemical that could mutate the DNA

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of your egg or sperm or if you were to fertilize an embryo

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in a certain way or at a certain stage of life that it got

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an extra chromosome, for instance--

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we'll talk about this a little bit later--

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well, then, of course, you could end up

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with offspring that have modified

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DNA that don't faithfully represent half of the genes

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from mom and half of the genes from dad.

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But that's not the same as specific behaviors

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modifying the genes of those cells--

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the sperm and the egg cells--

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in a way that improves the offspring.

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So the key first thing to understand today

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is that there's a distinction between somatic cells, which

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is the vast majority of cells in your body,

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and the so-called germline cells, which

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are the egg and the sperm.

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The egg and the sperm are these highly protected populations

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of cells that, in females, actually come

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to be during embryogenesis.

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So for all females out there, you

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generate what today I'm going to refer to as a vault of cells.

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You have a vault of eggs that are your germline.

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Those eggs all contain all the chromosomes of your DNA.

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So it's going to be-- as most of you

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know, there are 23 chromosomes, and chromosomes exist in pairs.

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So the way to think about this is each pair is one strand,

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and you have 22 so-called autosomes,

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and then you have one sex chromosome.

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The sex chromosome will be either X or Y. So in a female,

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they have two X chromosomes.

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So in each one of the eggs that a woman has

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and that she's had since she was an embryo

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and that's contained in this vault,

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those eggs are, of course, going to be very immature at birth.

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She hasn't undergone puberty yet.

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And certainly, as an embryo, she hasn't undergone puberty.

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And those cells are going to contain

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23 pairs of chromosomes.

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This is very important--

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23 pairs of chromosomes.

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The chromosomes are essentially the wrapped-up DNA

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that contains all the genetic information

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to create any cell type in the body

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and actually to create an entirely new individual.

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Now, there are 23 pairs of chromosomes, 22 of which

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are called autosomes.

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If that doesn't make sense to you,

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just remember, autosome, OK, there's 22 of them.

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And then there's one so-called sex chromosome.

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The sex chromosomes are either X or Y. But this is a female,

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so she's going to have 23 pairs of chromosomes,

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and she's going to have two X chromosomes for the sex

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chromosomes.

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If this is already confusing to you, don't worry,

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I'll make it very clear how this all relates to fertility

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and how it relates to chromosomal segregation

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and a bunch of things that I think maybe you've heard of

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and that perhaps were opaque to you.

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But I promise to make them clear.

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But just understand that, within each of those eggs,

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they have 23 pairs of chromosomes.

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And for those of you that like nomenclature,

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I'll tell you that those cells are considered diploid.

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They're called the diploid, and that

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means that they have 23 pairs of chromosomes,

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as distinguished from cells that are

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haploid where there's only one set of those 23 chromosomes.

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So instead of 23 pairs, there's only 23 chromosomes.

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We'll come back to haploid cells a little bit later.

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So when a female is born, she has all these eggs

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in the reserve, in this vault, that she'll

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have for her entire life.

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She's not going to make any more.

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But they are very, very immature.

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So when a woman is in embryogenesis,

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she develops these very immature eggs.

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Today we're also going to talk about follicles,

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and we will be careful to distinguish follicles

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from eggs.

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They're often talked about interchangeably, online

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and elsewhere and even by fertility docs and OB/GYNs.

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But right now we're just talking about the egg cells, the eggs

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themselves, which are cells.

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Now, the goal of fertilization is

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to bring that egg cell into close enough proximity

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that it can be fertilized by a single sperm cell.

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And that sperm cell will bring 23 chromosomes, as well,

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that include--

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just as in the female egg, it'll have 22 autosomes and one sex

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chromosome.

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And in the male, that sex chromosome

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can either be an X chromosome, which then would give rise

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to female offspring, or a Y chromosome, which would

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give rise to male offspring.

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And today we're not talking about sexual differentiation.

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That's a topic of a previous and yet another future episode.

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But just to give you a sense of how X chromosomes and Y

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chromosomes can actually accomplish

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that sexual differentiation, both of body and brain.

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I'll just mention in two sentences that, for instance,

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if there's a Y chromosome as opposed to an X chromosome,

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that Y chromosome contains genes that suppress, for instance,

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the development of female genitalia

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and thereby give rise to male genitalia.

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So rather than the formation of a clitoris,

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it's the formation of a penis.

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And rather than the formation of ovaries,

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the formation of a testes.

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So that's more directed towards sexual differentiation.

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We're not going to get into that right now.

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We'll get into that in a future episode.

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But even if you're only tracking about 10%

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of what I'm saying right now, I promise you're doing great.

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If you're tracking more than 10%, well,

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then you're doing terrifically well,

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because the essence of fertility and fertilization is to bring

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together that haploid cell that is the sperm that only has 23

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chromosomes-- but not pairs of chromosomes

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because that's the DNA from dad--

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together with the egg, which, as I told you already,

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has 23 pairs of chromosomes.

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So part of the fertilization process

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has to be to get rid of one half of those 23 pairs

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in the female.

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You got to get rid of it, and you

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have to get the egg and the sperm in proximity

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so that the egg can potentially be fertilized

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by the sperm bringing the DNA, the 23

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single strands of chromosomes from dad,

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into a cell that has 23 single strands from mom.

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So I realize I'm probably being a little bit repetitive here,

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but I want everyone to understand this

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because it really frames up fertility and reproduction

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in the proper way.

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We've got a cell from mom, the egg, which

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has 23 pairs of chromosomes.

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We need to get rid of one set of those pairs

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so that there's only 23 chromosomes.

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We need to get rid of half of those chromosomes.

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And then we need to bring that cell together physically

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with the sperm cell that contains the 23

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chromosomal strands from dad.

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And we need to bring those together so that you

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get 23 chromosomal pairs from dad

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and 23 chromosomal pairs from mom.

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And in doing so, you create a cell, which

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then becomes multiple cells.

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That's going to be the developing embryo that

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has half the genes from mom and half the genes from dad.

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So I hope that's clear.

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That is the biological logic, which I realize

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is a bit of a tongue twister.

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But forgive me.

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It is the most accurate way to describe this process.

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We're trying to bring together the 23 single strands

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of chromosomes from dad and the 23

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single strands of chromosomes from mom into the same cell.

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Now, that requires a literal physical contact

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and pairing of the two cells.

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But as I mentioned before, all these eggs in mom

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are sitting in a vault, and they're very, very immature.

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So the ovulatory cycle and the menstrual cycle

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are really about first eliminating

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half of the chromosomal pairs in that 23 sets of chromosomes

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and not getting rid of, for instance, half--

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just going 1 to 11 or 12 to 23.

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That's not the goal.

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The goal is to have chromosomes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,

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6, all the way up to 23, but only to have

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half of the chromosomes there and to bring that cell together

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with the sperm cell, physically, then allow

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them to fuse and allow the chromosomes from dad

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and the chromosomes from mom to fuse within a single cell

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and duplicate into cells that contain half of the chromosomes

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from dad and half of the chromosomes from mom.

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That's what the ovulatory and menstrual cycle

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are really all about.

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So when thinking about it that way,

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I'd like to just initiate the discussion by focusing first

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on the female component, or the egg component,

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of fertility and fertilization.

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As I mentioned before, a female has all the eggs,

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albeit very immature eggs, that she's going to have at the time

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that she's born.

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Now, puberty will happen at some point

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and will allow the ovulatory and the menstrual cycle

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to commence.

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Now, one question that you perhaps are asking

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is, what controls the onset of puberty?

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And there are a number of different results,

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each of which could be an entire episode

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of a podcast on its own.

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But I'll just highlight a few things

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that we know about the onset of menses or menstruation,

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or it's sometimes also called a menarche.

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One thing that you'll notice about today's discussion

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is that if you were to take any number of your notes

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online and put them into a search function

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that you would see a lot of different language used

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for the same thing.

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So for instance, some people will

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talk about the egg and the follicle as the same thing,

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even though they are not.

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I'll explain the difference soon.

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Some people will talk about menses or menstruation

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or menarche as the exact same thing.

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And in fact, they are not the exact same thing,

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but oftentimes these words are used interchangeably.

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I'll do my best today to not overload you with nomenclature

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but rather to use the most commonly used terms

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for the different aspects of fertility and fertilization.

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But when it comes to the onset of puberty,

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first of all, most of you have probably

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heard that the onset of puberty is

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happening much earlier in females now

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than it was some years ago.

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And in fact, that is the case.

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And I'll talk about some statistics related

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to this which are pretty striking

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but don't necessarily point to anything detrimental.

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It doesn't necessarily mean that something bad is happening.

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What do we know for sure?

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Well, we know that there are a number

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of signals that come both through the brain

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and through the body--

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and more likely both-- in order to control the onset of puberty

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in females.

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A couple of examples-- the first is a mechanistic one.

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We know, for instance, that the entire process

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of the ovulatory menstrual cycle is initiated from the brain.

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We're going to get into this in a lot

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more detail in a few minutes.

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But there's a certain number of hormones and neurotransmitters

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that are communicated from the brain,

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a structure called the hypothalamus,

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which roughly sits above the roof of your mouth,

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and that communicates with a gland, an endocrine

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or hormone-releasing gland called the pituitary gland.

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The pituitary gland looks like a stalk that essentially

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extends out of the brain.

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It's also located not far from the roof of your mouth.

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And that has two sort of small marble

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or grape-sized protrusions, the anterior pituitary

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and the posterior pituitary.

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And they release different hormones into the bloodstream.

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Puberty is in part controlled by the fact

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that, up until puberty, there are

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neurons in the hypothalamus that release

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a neurotransmitter called GABA, which is inhibitory,

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and that prevents the neurons in the hypothalamus

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from releasing a very important hormone called

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gonadotropin-releasing hormone, or GnRH.

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So the first thing I'd really like everyone

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to know and commit to memory today is very easy--

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GnRH stands for gonadotropin-releasing hormone.

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This comes from the brain and will

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communicate to the pituitary to release certain hormones.

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Prior to puberty, in both males and females,

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there are neurons in the brain that are actively suppressing

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the neurons that release GnRH.

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It's like no puberty, no puberty, no puberty.

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You can't have puberty.

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You can't have puberty.

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And in fact, those cells are releasing this neurotransmitter

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called GABA because it's inhibitory.

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It prevents the firing of those neurons.

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So puberty is actively suppressed up

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until a certain point.

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It's also actively suppressed, at least in some species and we

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think at least partially in humans, by the tonic release--

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that means the ongoing release, around the clock--

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of a hormone called melatonin.

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Later in life-- in fact, after puberty--

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melatonin will be secreted only in the dark phase of each night

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and around the time that one goes to sleep.

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But in children and in particular

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in children prior to puberty, melatonin

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is released more or less constantly.

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Now, melatonin isn't the only source

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of suppression of puberty.

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It's also these neural mechanisms involving GABA.

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But it is certainly a great candidate for one

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of the reasons why puberty doesn't generally

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tend to happen at, say, age four age five.

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That would be very unusual.

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Another component of suppression of puberty

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is that typically in children they have relatively low body

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fat stores.

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Why is this important?

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Well, we know that one of the things that can trigger

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the onset of puberty-- in particular in females--

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is that when enough body fat accumulates,

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that body fat releases a hormone called leptin,

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and that hormone leptin travels in the bloodstream,

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across the blood-brain barrier, and goes to the hypothalamus

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and can trigger the onset of puberty

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by activating the neurons that release

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gonadotropin-releasing hormone.

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So many people believe that one of the reasons that puberty

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is happening earlier and earlier in females

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is because of the accumulation of more body fat at younger

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ages than was observed 30 or 40 and certainly 100 years ago.

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Now, I can already imagine a number of people are thinking,

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oh, this must relate to the obesity crisis.

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And indeed, there is a crisis of obesity.

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Obesity is something that is causing all sorts of problems

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with people's health at various levels, brain and body,

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and that is far more frequent today

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than it was even 20 years ago.

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So it is indeed a crisis because it

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has enormous detrimental effects for so many aspects

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of brain and body health and longevity.

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But this whole process of thinking about body fat

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signaling leptin to the hypothalamus and the onset

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of puberty doesn't necessarily have

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to do with the obesity crisis.

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It might relate, but it could also relate to, for instance,

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improved nutrition, which is allowing body

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fat stores to accumulate maybe not to the level of obesity

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but to accumulate earlier and at younger ages

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in females, which is then causing

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earlier puberty in females.

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To just highlight how that might be possible,

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I want to review some data that talk about the onset of menses,

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menstruation-- that is, puberty--

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in females according to country and according

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to age over the last 100 or more years.

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So what are the general trends in terms

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of the onset of puberty in females?

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Well, that's an easy one to answer.

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Over the last 100 years or so, the onset of puberty

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has been occurring much earlier with each passing decade.

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It's really an incredible set of statistics.

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I will provide a link to these data

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since I know a number of you are listening and not

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just watching on YouTube.

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This is from a study in which the onset of puberty

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has been analyzed from as early as the 1850s--

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in certain countries, there are data on that--

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out to the 1970s and in other countries

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starting at about 1900, extending out to about 1990.

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These are ongoing collections of data.

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But just to give you a sense of how the data are falling out

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in a couple of different countries,

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just to give you a flavor--

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but for those of you listening and for those of you watching,

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the essence of all of these findings

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is that puberty is happening much, much earlier

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with each passing decade.

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So for instance, in the United States, around 1900 or 1903,

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the average age of menarche, the onset of puberty, in females

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was about 14 years old, whereas in 1990, the average age is 11.

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So that's a pretty significant, we can say,

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acceleration of the onset of puberty.

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Now, of course, these are averages.

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So there will be exceptions.

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There's a distribution of data.

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Today, still, there will be young females who

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will undergo puberty at age 11 or 10 or maybe even 9

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and others who will undergo puberty at age 13, 14, maybe

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even 16 or 17.

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However, if we look at, for instance,

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the data from Norway, which dates back quite far-- they

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have excellent record-keeping-- to 1850, what we see

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is that the average age of the onset of female puberty in 1850

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in Norway was 17 years old, whereas in 1970, it's

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13 years old.

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So this is a dramatic acceleration

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of the onset of puberty.

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And you see a similar trend in other countries, as well.

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So if we were to look, for instance, in the UK,

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they have a smaller data set, meaning it only

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extends back to about 1940.

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But the average age of the onset of puberty in the UK in 1940

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was 13 and 1/2 years old.

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Again, this is just for females.

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And in 1970, it was closer to 13,

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with a trend towards declining even further.

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Unfortunately, they didn't continue

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to collect data out to 2022.

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And as a final point, if we were to look at, for instance,

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in Germany and Finland, the average onset

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of puberty in 1870 was 16 and 1/2 years old.

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By 1940, it was down to 13 and 1/2 years old.

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So all of these data have borne out over and over again,

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regardless of location in the world, which is important,

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because when you start to think about the obesity crisis,

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you can say, well, that's mainly in developed countries,

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believe it or not-- or perhaps not surprisingly.

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And maybe it has to do with the obesity crisis.

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And yet I don't think we can conclude that at all.

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Something is happening, however.

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It could be increased body fat stores

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due to overeating and obesity.

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However, it could also be-- unrelated to obesity,

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it could be, for instance, improved

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nutrition and the availability of quality nutrition, which

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can signal the maturation of the brain

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and body mechanisms that trigger the onset of puberty,

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ovulatory cycle, and menstruation.

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So we want to be very careful about leaping to conclusions

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about what these trends mean, but the trends themselves

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are very, very apparent.

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And as a final point, I should also

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mention that there are a number of different behavioral

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and psychosocial, as they're called, interactions that

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can influence puberty as well.

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This has been most strikingly observed in animals.

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And so I don't want anyone to be alarmed

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or to leap to any great conclusions about the onset

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of timing of puberty in humans, but I'd be remiss

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if I didn't tell you about a certain result which

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shows that if a young female is exposed to the odor--

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not necessarily the pheromones.

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There's a distinction between odors that we perceive

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and pheromones, which are subconscious.

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We don't actively perceive, but that can impact our biology,

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and pheromones effects in humans are very controversial.

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But we know, for instance, that if you take a female animal--

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and there's some evidence from humans

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that if you take a young prepubertal female

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and you expose her to the scent of a reproductively-competent

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male for a series of days, but maybe even as short

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as a few hours, and she is also not

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regularly being exposed to the scent of her father,

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that she can undergo puberty earlier.

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That's right.

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There is something about the odor

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and/or pheromones, or perhaps something else, that

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occurs when a young prepubertal female has a father that she's

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in regular contact with.

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He wouldn't necessarily have to live at home but that

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is around a lot that his smell is registered

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by her biological systems.

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That-- I don't want to say protects

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because it kind of skews the valence of the conversation,

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but that offsets or buffers the otherwise observed effect,

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which is that the scent of a reproductively-competent male,

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if it's present often enough or perhaps intensely enough,

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that it can trigger the onset of puberty in that female.

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In other words, the scent of a male that is not the father

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and we think also that is not biologically related to her

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can trigger earlier onset of puberty.

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And that effect can at least be partially buffered

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by her being in the presence of the scent

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from her biological father.

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Now, some of you are probably already leaping

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to conclusions about what this means.

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Should you not allow your daughter

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to be exposed to any males who are

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of reproductive age, et cetera?

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That's certainly not what I'm saying.

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There's a huge number of considerations

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that go into that calculation for everybody

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and circumstances, et cetera.

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But the point is that the odors of individuals, both related--

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in particular, closely related-- and non-related individuals,

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can shape the neural systems and the hormone systems that

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can trigger the onset of puberty or suppress

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the onset of puberty.

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So whether or not we're talking about onset

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of puberty at this age or that age

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and whether or not biologically-related male

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or non-biologically-related male scents around,

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et cetera, the thing I want everyone to know

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is that at some point during development,

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typically nowadays between the ages of 11 and 15

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or so-- again, there's variability there.

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The suppression of gonadotropin-releasing hormone

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released from the hypothalamus is removed,

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and then gonadotropin-releasing hormone

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can activate cells within the pituitary.

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And if you really want to know, it's

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the anterior pituitary in particular.

Time: 1910.77

And then the anterior pituitary gland,

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which sits at and kind of bridges the brain and the body

Time: 1917.25

because it allows the release of hormones into the bloodstream,

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that anterior pituitary is going to release

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two key hormones that everyone should know the name of

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and what they do.

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And when I say everyone, I mean males and females

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need to know about these hormones

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because they have an active role in both males and females.

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And of course, you should want to know

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and should know about the biology of everyone

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on the planet, in my opinion, because it tells you

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a lot more about humans than if you just

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focus on your own biology.

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But those two hormones are called

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luteinizing hormone, which is abbreviated LH,

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and follicle-stimulating hormone, which

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is abbreviated FSH.

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So the simple picture that you need to have in your mind

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is gonadotropin-releasing hormone from the brain,

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from the hypothalamus in particular,

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is causing the release of luteinizing

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hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone, GnRH stimulates

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LH, luteinizing hormone, and follicle-stimulating hormone,

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FSH.

Time: 1975.09

LH and FSH travel in the blood and can access all the cells

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and tissues of the body.

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This is one of the incredible things about hormones is that

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many hormones-- and LH and FSH are included in this group--

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can travel into cells, and they can actually

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change the genetic expression of those cells.

Time: 1995.04

They can change which genes are turned on

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and which genes are turned off.

Time: 1998.192

And they can also attach to the surface of those cells

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and make those cells take on different properties.

Time: 2003.45

So they can mature those cells.

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So for instance, a good example of this outside

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of the context we've been talking about

Time: 2008.99

is the hormone testosterone can travel to the hair follicle

Time: 2012.365

and can stimulate changes in the genes of the cells of the hair

Time: 2014.99

follicle that can make hair grow.

Time: 2017.12

A different hormone, estrogen, can

Time: 2019.19

travel to the cells of the breast tissue

Time: 2021.8

and activate genes that control enlargement of the cells

Time: 2024.29

of the breast tissue.

Time: 2025.28

Prolactin, a different hormone, can travel to the mammary ducts

Time: 2028.52

and control the production and the secretion of milk.

Time: 2032.09

And in males, that can actually happen, in certain cases,

Time: 2035.55

although it's rare.

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But prolactin can also travel to areas of the brain

Time: 2039.11

that control libido, for instance.

Time: 2041.09

And just so you'll never forget it,

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males' elevated levels of prolactin

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are actually what set the refractory period

Time: 2047.54

after ejaculation and prevent erection

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for some period of time.

Time: 2050.94

So you'll never forget prolactin.

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The point being that different hormones

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have different effects on different cells,

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depending on what cells those are.

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Estrogen or estradiol is going to have different effects

Time: 2061.699

on the breast tissue than it would on skin,

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although as effects on both.

Time: 2065.84

Similarly, when LH and FSH, luteinizing hormone

Time: 2069.71

and follicle-stimulating hormone, travel in the blood

Time: 2072.83

to the gonad and the gonad is an ovary,

Time: 2076.82

it will have a certain set of consequences.

Time: 2079.86

And when luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone

Time: 2082.48

travel in the blood to a gonad and that gonad

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happens to be a teste, then it will have a different set

Time: 2087.82

of biological implications.

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So let's focus now on what happens when

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LH and FSH arrive at the ovary.

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And let's assume now that we're talking about a female who

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has already undergone puberty, or perhaps we

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could even frame this in the context of a female who

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is about to undergo puberty.

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FSH and LH are now able to be released because she's

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undergoing puberty.

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But the same set of processes, essentially,

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would occur for any point from puberty onward until menopause,

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which is the depletion of that vault, that ovarian reserve

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of all those immature eggs.

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OK, so we're now going to talk about ovulation

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and menstruation, and let's just remember

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what this is all about.

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This is all about creating the potential for an egg

Time: 2202.39

to be fertilized, and that egg needs

Time: 2204.22

to have half of the chromosomal pairs, so no pairs,

Time: 2208.18

but it's got to have 23 chromosomes just from mom.

Time: 2211.12

And we need to position that egg so

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that the egg can be met by the sperm

Time: 2216.82

and that sperm can penetrate that egg

Time: 2219.01

and donate its 23 individual strands of chromosomes

Time: 2224.2

to that egg so that you can bring together the DNA of dad

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and the DNA of mom.

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So the obligatory menstrual cycle

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occurs when luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating

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hormone have been released.

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And the ovulatory/menstrual cycle--

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and here I have to kind of pick what I want to call it.

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I guess to be really accurate, we would just call it

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the female reproductive cycle, but that includes underneath it

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both the menstrual cycle, as it's sometimes called,

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and the ovulatory cycle.

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So you decide.

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I'm going to interchangeably discuss the ovulatory cycle

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and the menstrual cycle.

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The problem is, when you say menstruation,

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people often think about just the period, the shedding

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of the uterine lining when fertilization has not occurred.

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So if I start saying ovulatory cycle,

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just keep in mind I'm referring to the entire thing.

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Now, this is probably also a good opportunity

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to say that if you heard that the ovulatory/menstrual cycle

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is 28 days long, that's true in some cases,

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but that's not always true.

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It's, on average, 28 days long.

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There are some females for which the ovulatory cycle will be

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shorter-- it can be as short as 21 days--

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and other females for which it will be 35 days long.

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Shorter than 21 days and longer than 35

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days is rare, although it does occur.

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One of the key things when thinking about fertility

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is if you talk to OB/GYNs who are focused on fertility, which

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I have in anticipation of this episode,

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they'll tell you that whether or not

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your cycle is 21 days long or 35 days long

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is not as much of an issue necessarily unless it's

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happening to become much shorter or much longer

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in a kind of erratic way.

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So if you're somebody who's consistently

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had 23 day long cycles and all of a sudden

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you're having 30 day long cycles, that's not necessarily

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an indication of anything bad.

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But if it's 21 days one month and it's 30 days the next month

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and it's 17 days the next month or even if it's always

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falling within that 21 to 35 day long cycle

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but it's very variable from each month or every other month

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or so, you probably want to talk to your OB/GYN

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because that could indicate a number of different things.

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Which things could it indicate?

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Well, that will become clear as I spell out

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the biology in a bit more detail.

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But this idea that the menstrual cycle/ovulatory cycle

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is always 28 days, that's just false.

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That's just not true.

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I should also mention that there is a common misconception that

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because the average menstrual cycle is 28 days-- indeed,

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the average is 28 days--

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and the lunar cycle is 28 days--

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and of course, there is a real biology

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to support the fact that the lunar

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cycle can't, in fact, impact certain aspects

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of human behavior.

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It does, and we'll talk about lunar cycles

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in a future episode.

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But there is zero data to support the idea

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that the menstrual cycle and the lunar cycle

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are linked in any kind of causal way.

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Sorry to break it to you.

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The lunar cycle and the tidal cycles at the ocean

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are definitely linked in ways that are super interesting

Time: 2403.74

related to the tilt of the Earth and the pull of gravity

Time: 2405.72

of different planets, and it's an incredible story

Time: 2407.94

into itself.

Time: 2409.02

But the lunar cycle and the menstrual cycle,

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despite having some weak correlation in terms

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of their duration or their so-called periodicity--

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no pun intended--

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well, there's no causal relationship whatsoever

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between the lunar cycle and the menstrual cycle.

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If any of you are aware of any real data

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that conflicts with what I just said,

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please put that in the comment section on YouTube.

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But this is pretty well established as far as I know.

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OK, so we need to bring together the so-called haploid contents,

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the 23 individual strands of chromosomes from the egg,

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to a place and a position where it could potentially

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be fertilized by the male.

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So what happens?

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Luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone

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travel to the ovary.

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These hormones are able to access the ovary.

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There's a lot of blood supply to the ovary.

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And FSH and LH arrive at the ovary.

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The ovary has this vault, this ovarian reserve

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of immature cells.

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They reside within what are called follicles.

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The follicles are little spherical packages

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that can potentially provide a nice environment for those eggs

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to mature.

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And when FSH, in particular, arrives at the ovary,

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a small number of those follicles

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will split off from the reserve, they will exit the vault,

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and they will undergo maturation.

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And the key player here is follicle-stimulating hormone.

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And the first 14 days of the menstrual/ovulatory cycle

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is referred to as the follicular phase because

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of this relationship between FSH triggering the maturation

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of a subset of follicles.

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Now, typically in the context of a 28 day or so

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ovulatory/menstrual cycle, day one

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is designated as the first day of the period,

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of the shedding of the uterine lining

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from the previous ovulatory menstrual cycle in which

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fertilization did not occur.

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So day one is when the period initiates.

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It is days 1 through 14, approximately--

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because here we're just considering

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the average of a 28-day cycle, but it could be longer.

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It could be shorter.

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But the first half of that cycle is the so-called follicular

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phase, FSH, has triggered the departure

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of a subset of these follicles that contain immature eggs.

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And it is triggering the maturation of those eggs.

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Luteinizing hormone is also present, but also

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at relatively low levels.

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And it's during the first half of this ovulatory menstrual

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cycle that the main goal is to get those follicles to mature.

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So inside of those follicles, the egg is developing.

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It's growing.

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It's maturing.

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And in doing so, it's also making its own hormones.

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This, I think, is one of the most elegant aspects

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of the ovulatory menstrual cycle that, in a few minutes,

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you'll learn about something which still to this day,

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even though I've known about this stuff for decades now

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because of my training, still just blows my mind that you

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have one hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone,

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triggering the maturation of some eggs

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inside of some follicles and then those follicles themselves

Time: 2592.92

making another hormone that furthers the process

Time: 2597.18

and then soon, as you'll learn, create a hormone to trigger

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the second half of the process.

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Just a beautiful symphony of expression of different genes

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and different hormones to make everything

Time: 2608.55

work as optimally as possible.

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So as these different follicles mature, somehow--

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and we still don't know exactly how--

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one of those follicles containing an egg

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gets selected.

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It's either because it matures the fastest

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or there's something about it that

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is still not completely understood

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that allows it to be selected.

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And all the other follicles that are maturing

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degenerate and die.

Time: 2634.86

And they're gone.

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They don't go back into the ovarian reserve.

Time: 2637.95

They are now depleted from that bank account

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that is the ovarian reserve.

Time: 2643.23

They die off.

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But that single egg that, keep in mind,

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contains 23 pairs of chromosomes--

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we haven't gotten rid of one half of those 23

Time: 2655.14

sets of chromosomes yet.

Time: 2656.73

But that one will continue to mature.

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And then, at some point, that egg

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will start to undergo a process in which those chromosomes are

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pulled apart by little components

Time: 2671.4

within the egg called spindles.

Time: 2673.53

They literally have a physical pulling

Time: 2675.48

of the chromosomes apart.

Time: 2676.57

So now those 23 pairs are no longer attached to one another

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at the middle like they were before,

Time: 2681.76

like two beads of strings--

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or I should say, 23 short strands

Time: 2687.52

of beads that were at once connected to one another

Time: 2691.6

now are pulled apart so that you have

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23 chromosomes on each side, but they're

Time: 2696.4

pulled apart from one another.

Time: 2698.9

So that diploid cell is now starting

Time: 2702.76

to become a cell in which half of the chromosomes,

Time: 2705.86

half of those 23 pairs, are physically

Time: 2708.61

pulled away from the others.

Time: 2710.11

And then the egg actually starts to form its own

Time: 2713.5

what we call an involution of membrane

Time: 2715.12

around those 23 pairs, one set of them, and encapsulates them.

Time: 2720.49

So you sort of got an egg with two parts

Time: 2722.65

where the two sets of chromosomes,

Time: 2724.237

two sets of 23 chromosomes, are now separate

Time: 2726.07

from one another inside of the egg.

Time: 2728.17

And then one of those actually gets ejected from the egg,

Time: 2732.01

and the name of that thing that gets ejected--

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it's sort of like a little Hubble pod is how I imagine it,

Time: 2737.29

you know, from Star Wars or from any kind of Space Odyssey movie

Time: 2741.22

where some thing is ready to happen.

Time: 2743.11

A little Hubble pod shoots out of the ship.

Time: 2745.06

Well, that 23 pairs is now ejected from the egg.

Time: 2749.71

It's called the polar body.

Time: 2750.88

And that's going to degenerate.

Time: 2752.41

It's going to go away.

Time: 2753.67

And in doing so, take the egg cell, which was once

Time: 2756.73

diploid-- it had 23 pairs of chromosomes-- and making

Time: 2759.67

it haploid.

Time: 2761.02

And now what you've got, in ideal circumstances,

Time: 2764.23

is a beautifully pristine egg that was selected for

Time: 2767.5

and has 23 single strands of chromosomes, 22 autosomes

Time: 2771.702

and one sex chromosome.

Time: 2772.66

And that sex chromosome is going to be an X chromosome

Time: 2775.45

almost with certainty, because female--

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mother-- is creating that egg.

Time: 2782.54

So then the egg that contains just the appropriate 23

Time: 2786.64

single-stranded chromosomes is going

Time: 2789.25

to fuse with the wall of the ovary, and that egg

Time: 2791.53

will be released and will travel into the Fallopian tube.

Time: 2796

Now, we'll get back to that egg in a few moments.

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But that process, which represents the first half

Time: 2800.65

of the ovulatory menstrual cycle, again,

Time: 2802.45

was triggered by FSH and to some extent luteinizing hormone.

Time: 2805.88

But it is the ongoing maturation of that egg which also causes

Time: 2811.48

the production of estrogen, which allows that whole process

Time: 2815.51

to occur.

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And you could say, why?

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Well, the answer to the why is a very important

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biological principle that we are going

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to return to in a number of different contexts today,

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both as reference to female and male fertility.

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And the principle is a so-called negative feedback.

Time: 2832.55

So when estrogen is present at relatively low levels

Time: 2835.72

in females in the ovary, as it is

Time: 2839.08

during the development of these eggs, some of that estrogen,

Time: 2842.47

of course, is going to exit the ovary.

Time: 2844.857

It's going to go into the bloodstream.

Time: 2846.44

And it's going to travel back to the pituitary.

Time: 2849.81

Now, the pituitary can release things

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like follicle-stimulating hormone and luteinizing

Time: 2854.12

hormone.

Time: 2854.72

But the way I'd like you to think

Time: 2856.4

about the pituitary for sake of feedback loops

Time: 2858.86

is that it's sort of like a thermometer

Time: 2861.02

that you would put into a pool, like a backyard pool, that

Time: 2864.89

is attached to the heater.

Time: 2866.39

And for instance, if you were to put a thermometer into a pool

Time: 2870.38

that you would like to keep at 70 degrees

Time: 2872.9

and the temperature of that pool is 60 degrees,

Time: 2875.6

well, then that thermometer ought

Time: 2877.34

to trigger some sort of mechanism

Time: 2879.56

where the pool would heat up until the temperature

Time: 2881.93

of the pool hit 70 degrees, and then it

Time: 2884.12

should trigger that thermometer to turn off the heating system.

Time: 2886.903

That's kind of a negative feedback

Time: 2888.32

system that would keep the temperature more

Time: 2890.112

or less correct.

Time: 2891.65

That's a lot of the way that the system's related to estrogen

Time: 2894.78

and also testosterone and these different things

Time: 2896.78

like luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone

Time: 2899.155

work as well.

Time: 2900.02

Typically, when the level of a hormone is too high,

Time: 2904.35

then it shuts down the production

Time: 2906.02

of the hormones that would trigger further production

Time: 2908.3

of that hormone.

Time: 2908.84

I know that's a mouthful.

Time: 2909.68

It's a lot to think about.

Time: 2910.74

And some of you are probably thinking, whoa,

Time: 2911.82

I'm getting dizzy now with biology.

Time: 2913.46

But I promise you, you can understand this.

Time: 2915.35

In females, when estrogen is relatively low--

Time: 2918.36

but not zero but is relatively low

Time: 2920.06

during that first follicular half of the ovulatory cycle--

Time: 2923.84

it actually triggers negative feedback on LH and FSH

Time: 2927.26

so that not too much is produced.

Time: 2929.06

But then just prior to ovulation,

Time: 2931.61

the levels of estrogen and the levels of some other hormones

Time: 2934.79

from those eggs--

Time: 2936.68

you have the eggs producing estrogen themselves--

Time: 2939.35

gets high enough that it actually

Time: 2941.18

triggers a positive feedback loop on the pituitary.

Time: 2944.79

So the pituitary is essentially observing

Time: 2947.72

the amount of estrogen in the bloodstream produced

Time: 2949.82

by the ovary, and the amount of estrogen

Time: 2951.65

towards the end of the second half of the menstrual cycle

Time: 2954.35

has increased and triggers a positive feedback loop.

Time: 2958.16

It triggers the pituitary to release more FSH and LH,

Time: 2962.18

and that helps trigger ovulation, that deployment

Time: 2966.89

or the release of that one mature proper selected

Time: 2969.92

egg that's haploid with the 23 individual pairs of chromosomes

Time: 2973.46

into the Fallopian tube.

Time: 2975.665

So let's just back up really quickly and just

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kind of summarize what's happened.

Time: 2978.957

Gonadotropin-releasing hormone from the hypothalamus

Time: 2981.493

triggers the release of follicle-stimulating hormone

Time: 2983.66

and luteinizing hormone.

Time: 2984.8

That travels to the ovary-- triggers

Time: 2986.72

the release of a subset of immature follicles

Time: 2990.26

with immature eggs.

Time: 2991.85

Those immature follicles and immature eggs

Time: 2995.03

start to mature, start to grow because

Time: 2998.18

of the presence of follicle-stimulating hormone.

Time: 3000.61

The growth of those eggs themselves increases estrogen.

Time: 3004.36

As the estrogen starts to accumulate in the environment,

Time: 3006.92

some of that travels back to the pituitary.

Time: 3009.22

And when levels of estrogen arriving at the pituitary

Time: 3012.67

are relatively low, the pituitary

Time: 3015.393

says, oh, we don't need to release

Time: 3016.81

any more follicle-stimulating and luteinizing hormone.

Time: 3019.21

However, at some point just prior to ovulation,

Time: 3021.64

enough estrogen has been produced by that one

Time: 3024.28

single selected mature egg and some

Time: 3026.56

of the other follicles around it that were maturing but then

Time: 3029.74

since died off that the estrogen triggers a positive feedback

Time: 3033.86

loop.

Time: 3034.36

The pituitary says, OK, and releases

Time: 3037.15

more follicle-stimulating hormone

Time: 3038.68

and luteinizing hormone.

Time: 3039.79

And bam, the egg, which has the proper genetic components,

Time: 3044.5

sets off out of the ovary and into the Fallopian tube.

Time: 3048.31

So-called ovulation has begun.

Time: 3051.79

That itself, what I just described,

Time: 3053.71

constitutes the first half of the ovulatory/menstrual cycle,

Time: 3056.902

which we call the follicular phase.

Time: 3058.36

And it's marked by the presence of FSH and some other things,

Time: 3061.36

but we can really think about it as marked by FSH

Time: 3064.3

from the pituitary and by estrogen, or estradiol, made

Time: 3068.86

within the ovary.

Time: 3070.28

Then comes the second half of the ovulatory/menstrual cycle,

Time: 3073.52

which I personally think is one of the coolest mechanisms

Time: 3076.48

in all of biology, which is that--

Time: 3079.21

remember the follicle that housed

Time: 3081.01

that one egg that was the selected

Time: 3083.23

egg that became the mature egg?

Time: 3084.88

And that follicle, which no longer contains the egg

Time: 3087.76

because the egg took off and ovulated,

Time: 3089.53

is called the corpus luteum.

Time: 3090.88

And the corpus luteum starts making three hormones, which

Time: 3094.72

include estradiol, I think called inhibin,

Time: 3096.628

but the most important hormone, the one that you really

Time: 3098.92

need to know about, is that it starts

Time: 3100.6

producing very high levels of progesterone.

Time: 3104.5

Progesterone levels start to increase

Time: 3107.89

about the time of ovulation, although just

Time: 3110.35

prior to ovulation.

Time: 3111.53

And over the next second half of the ovulatory cycle--

Time: 3116.24

so about 14 days if it's a 28-day cycle,

Time: 3117.977

a little bit longer or a little bit shorter,

Time: 3119.81

depending on the length of cycle.

Time: 3121.185

Levels of progesterone in the second half

Time: 3123.04

of the ovulatory cycle are going to increase by 1,400 fold

Time: 3128.2

compared to what they were in the first half

Time: 3130.78

of the ovulatory cycle.

Time: 3132.74

So again, if we were to characterize

Time: 3134.29

the menstrual/ovulatory cycle in broad strokes, what we would

Time: 3138.85

say is that FSH and estrogen mark

Time: 3142.69

the initial part the first half, the so-called follicular phase,

Time: 3146.71

and that the estrogen and FSH set in motion ovulation,

Time: 3150.97

and they prime the system for the production

Time: 3153.7

of a corpus luteum, which produces progesterone.

Time: 3156.67

And the second half of all of this

Time: 3158.74

is called the luteal phase.

Time: 3161.03

The second half of the ovulatory/menstrual cycle

Time: 3163.21

is the luteal phase because of corpus luteum,

Time: 3166.6

this otherwise discarded tissue that produces progesterone.

Time: 3170.56

What does progesterone do?

Time: 3172.21

Well, progesterone impacts the uterine lining,

Time: 3176.71

so-called endometrium or the lining,

Time: 3178.81

the mucous lining of the uterus where that egg that's ovulated

Time: 3183.22

is potentially going to implant if it's fertilized.

Time: 3186.7

And so in a kind of perfect way-- or I

Time: 3189.58

should say, in a seemingly perfect way--

Time: 3192.4

the egg is off on its way.

Time: 3193.84

It might get fertilized.

Time: 3195.98

The remnants of the compartment that let go of that egg

Time: 3199.76

produce a hormone that then prepares the endometrial lining

Time: 3203.93

of the uterus for the potential implantation of that egg.

Time: 3207.32

It's basically making the bed for the fertilized egg

Time: 3210.17

to potentially embed in, to implant in, and then

Time: 3213.77

achieve all the nourishment that it needs to grow, eventually,

Time: 3217.04

into a healthy embryo and child.

Time: 3219.38

Just an amazing set of biological mechanisms,

Time: 3222.23

if you ask me, because what you're observing here

Time: 3225.92

is an incredible economy of function

Time: 3228.17

whereby the same cellular components that

Time: 3230.69

are producing the egg, well, some of them

Time: 3232.48

are being discarded, but they're not being

Time: 3234.23

discarded without purpose.

Time: 3236.138

They're being discarded in a way that

Time: 3237.68

triggers the onset of hormonal expression

Time: 3241.04

that then prepares the fertilized

Time: 3242.48

egg to be in an enriched environment in which it

Time: 3245.15

can thrive.

Time: 3246

Now, I realize that was a lot of detail.

Time: 3247.67

But we have a couple of key themes.

Time: 3249.59

We've got the hypothalamus, GnRH.

Time: 3251.57

We've got the pituitary with LH and FSH,

Time: 3254.09

and those hormones travel to the ovary.

Time: 3256.56

The ovary has eggs in a vault, basically immature eggs

Time: 3260.99

in a vault. Some of those are activated by the presence

Time: 3264.05

of FSH and LH each month.

Time: 3266.09

And one of those eggs will be selected and will ovulate.

Time: 3270.2

The remnants of the follicle and egg

Time: 3272.06

that are not selected, the chromosomes that you don't need

Time: 3275.03

disappear in the polar body.

Time: 3276.83

And the corpus luteum gives rise to progesterone and sets

Time: 3280.46

in motion the second half of the ovulatory menstrual cycle,

Time: 3284.07

which is the luteal phase, which is essentially

Time: 3286.67

the potential for that fertilized egg

Time: 3288.5

to embed in a nice, nourishing environment.

Time: 3290.632

And of course, we should all be thinking,

Time: 3292.34

if the egg is fertilized and then it lays down

Time: 3294.65

in the nice, comfy uterine lining

Time: 3296.72

that's been prepared by progesterone

Time: 3299.12

in the corpus luteum, well, then everything's fine and good.

Time: 3302.78

But what if fertilization doesn't occur?

Time: 3304.517

Well, we all know what happens if fertilization doesn't occur.

Time: 3307.1

If fertilization does not occur for whatever reason,

Time: 3309.98

that uterine lining is going to shed.

Time: 3312.752

And that's actually what's referred to as the period.

Time: 3314.96

It's the actual removal--

Time: 3317.57

or the departure, rather--

Time: 3319.22

of the thickened endometrium lining

Time: 3323.06

of the uterus when fertilization has not occurred.

Time: 3328.42

And of course, if that happens, we

Time: 3330.13

need another ovulatory menstrual cycle.

Time: 3332.44

So how does that happen?

Time: 3333.44

Well, the hormone inhibin is also made by the corpus luteum

Time: 3336.94

and doesn't go quite as high as the hormone progesterone.

Time: 3341.32

But it kind of tracks that increase in progesterone

Time: 3344.92

that occurs in the second half of the ovulatory cycle.

Time: 3347.86

But then, if fertilization does not occur,

Time: 3350.98

inhibin levels start to drop.

Time: 3353.29

And what I haven't told you is what inhibin does.

Time: 3355.96

Inhibin, in concert with other hormones like estrogen,

Time: 3359.71

feed back to the hypothalamus and prevent the further release

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of follicle-stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone.

Time: 3365.92

If you have an egg that gets fertilized and can implant,

Time: 3369.82

well, then you don't want more eggs to mature.

Time: 3373.42

You want to hold on to the ones in the vault.

Time: 3375.52

You don't want them to mature.

Time: 3377.56

And hormones like inhibin and, again,

Time: 3379.768

working with other hormones are going

Time: 3381.31

to prevent the secretion of things like FSH and LH.

Time: 3384.58

Now, typically, people are not getting pregnant every month.

Time: 3387.82

In fact, that's not possible.

Time: 3389.483

And part of the reason it's not possible

Time: 3391.15

is that if the fertilized egg implants,

Time: 3393.11

there are a number of different hormone cascades

Time: 3395.11

that shut down the production of things like GnRH, FSH, and LH

Time: 3399.34

in ways that prevent further maturation of follicles

Time: 3402.73

and a follicular phase.

Time: 3403.93

But in the instance where fertilization doesn't occur

Time: 3407.24

and menstruation occurs--

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and I should mention that the duration of menstruation,

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the actual bleeding, typically is anywhere from one

Time: 3414.5

to five days.

Time: 3415.84

The, quote, unquote, "heaviness,"

Time: 3417.58

the lightness or heaviness of that bleeding will depend on--

Time: 3421.27

you guessed it-- the amount of progesterone that is secreted

Time: 3424.87

from the corpus luteum.

Time: 3425.98

That's one of the key players there.

Time: 3428.2

And if menstruation occurs, well, then inhibin levels

Time: 3434.02

also drop.

Time: 3434.62

Progesterone levels also drop.

Time: 3436.15

And when that occurs, there's a positive feedback

Time: 3440.14

signal up at the level of the pituitary.

Time: 3443.24

The pituitary literally can register

Time: 3445.3

how much inhibin and progesterone and estrogen

Time: 3448.03

is present in the bloodstream.

Time: 3449.57

And if those levels are sufficiently low, well,

Time: 3452.8

then GnRH gets secreted again, FSH gets secreted again,

Time: 3456.85

and LH gets secreted again.

Time: 3459.08

And the first half the follicular phase

Time: 3461.26

of the menstrual cycle initiates all over again.

Time: 3464.48

It's hard to overstate how beautifully orchestrated

Time: 3466.99

this entire system is--

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The number of feedback loops and feed-forward loops.

Time: 3471.4

I think if you can just generally understand

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that the first half of the menstrual/ovulatory cycle

Time: 3476.08

is marked by the maturation of the follicles and FSH

Time: 3478.96

and that the second half is marked

Time: 3480.82

by the accumulation of progesterone

Time: 3483.19

and the thickening of the uterine lining

Time: 3484.87

should fertilization and implantation occur,

Time: 3487.69

I think that you will certainly understand

Time: 3489.82

the female reproductive cycle better than most people

Time: 3492.46

out there.

Time: 3493.125

It will also help you understand a number of things

Time: 3495.25

that are sometimes associated with the female reproductive

Time: 3497.72

cycle.

Time: 3498.22

For instance, there are data showing

Time: 3499.72

that, in many, not all, but in many women, in the four

Time: 3504.29

to five days prior to ovulation, there is

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a dramatic increase in libido.

Time: 3508.81

That dramatic increase in libido is

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triggered by a number of things, but some of those things

Time: 3513.58

include the spike in FSH that occurs,

Time: 3516.1

the spike in LH that occurs, and some associated increases

Time: 3520.51

in androgens, things like DHEA and testosterone,

Time: 3524.03

which, just as in males can be related to libido,

Time: 3527.74

in females trigger libido.

Time: 3529.24

You can imagine why this would be an effective mechanism

Time: 3531.94

to have in place in females if the goal, as it were, certainly

Time: 3537.07

of the egg, perhaps not of the woman as a whole,

Time: 3540.8

but if the goal is to fertilize the egg--

Time: 3544.06

so increases in libido just prior

Time: 3545.89

to the onset of ovulation.

Time: 3548.41

There's also been a lot of discussion and interest

Time: 3551.53

and, frankly, data exploring the malaise

Time: 3554.92

that it can occur at certain portions

Time: 3556.66

of the menstrual cycle.

Time: 3558.82

And there's a lot of misconception about this.

Time: 3561.13

A lot of people have focused on the malaise that can occur

Time: 3565.75

around the time of bleeding.

Time: 3567.73

But there are actually stronger data

Time: 3570.4

to support the fact that some, again, some, not all women

Time: 3574.12

experience a kind of malaise sometimes associated

Time: 3576.67

with anxiety, sometimes not, that's associated with the mid

Time: 3580.57

to second half of the luteal phase

Time: 3584.4

of the ovulatory/menstrual cycle.

Time: 3587.55

And that, despite what people commonly think,

Time: 3591.15

is not associated with elevated levels of estrogen.

Time: 3593.76

It's actually associated with the depletion in estrogen

Time: 3596.52

levels that can occur during certain portions

Time: 3599.31

of that second half of the luteal phase

Time: 3601.89

of the menstrual cycle.

Time: 3603.37

So again, this is highly variable.

Time: 3606.81

For some people, they might not experience

Time: 3608.73

any malaise at any point during their menstrual cycle.

Time: 3611.49

Other individuals also, for instance,

Time: 3613.06

might not experience any variation in their libido

Time: 3615.44

at any point during their menstrual cycle.

Time: 3617.19

Again, highly variable, and yet there

Time: 3618.84

are some statistically significant trends

Time: 3621.06

that have been observed that tracked

Time: 3622.8

very specific hormonal components

Time: 3624.42

within the menstrual cycle.

Time: 3625.74

Again, this will all be very contextual.

Time: 3628.62

And of course, this can play out in a number of different ways.

Time: 3631.62

So for instance, some women experience very heightened

Time: 3633.87

levels of sensitivity to caffeine

Time: 3635.58

at certain portions of their menstrual cycle.

Time: 3637.65

Other women experience more cramping than others

Time: 3640.942

at different portions of their menstrual cycle.

Time: 3642.9

Tremendous variation from individual to individual.

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One of the--

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I view it as an advantage.

Time: 3648.78

But one of the things that many females can really do

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and experience because they have cycles that occur every month

Time: 3656.1

that are fairly dramatic in terms of their levels

Time: 3658.8

of hormones-- so for instance, a more than 1,000-fold increase

Time: 3662.76

in progesterone during the luteal phase of the menstrual

Time: 3665.1

cycle and, I should also mention,

Time: 3667.11

a 200-fold increase in estrogen during the period just prior

Time: 3670.35

to ovulation.

Time: 3671.16

That's why they always say estrogen primes progesterone.

Time: 3674.393

That's what you learn in kind of basic endocrinology

Time: 3676.56

when you're learning the menstrual cycle.

Time: 3677.86

Estrogen in the first half of the menstrual cycle

Time: 3679.902

primes progesterone in the second half

Time: 3681.9

of the ovulatory/menstrual cycle.

Time: 3684.19

Well, those estrogen increases just prior to ovulation

Time: 3687.93

are in part responsible for the increases in libido.

Time: 3692.25

But it's also the presence of increased androgen just prior

Time: 3695.49

to ovulation.

Time: 3696.12

So there's a lot of complex interplay.

Time: 3698.37

I think what we will do is we will reserve

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the discussion about libido, per se,

Time: 3703.41

and some of the other aspects related

Time: 3704.97

to sexual differentiation that we

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were talking about earlier for a future episode.

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But hopefully now you have in mind

Time: 3709.74

what the ovulatory/menstrual cycle is.

Time: 3711.99

It is a signal from the brain, from the hypothalamus,

Time: 3715.42

which then triggers a signal from the pituitary,

Time: 3717.66

an endocrine gland, which then signals the release of hormones

Time: 3722.04

that travel to the ovary and that control

Time: 3724.59

two things, maturation of eggs and the identification of one

Time: 3728.25

egg in particular and then preparation of the milieu,

Time: 3733.65

the environment in which that fertilized egg could

Time: 3735.99

potentially land and mature into a healthy embryo and child.

Time: 3741.13

So if you have that framed up in your mind

Time: 3743.14

and even if you just extracted maybe 10% to 15%

Time: 3746.148

of the hormones and different aspects

Time: 3747.69

that I described up until now, I would consider you far more

Time: 3752.19

knowledgeable about this entire process than 99% of people

Time: 3756

out there, certainly not the OB/GYNs and urologists,

Time: 3759.27

but the 99% of individuals out there.

Time: 3762.49

It also frames up for us the second half

Time: 3765.57

of this whole story about fertility and fertilization,

Time: 3767.98

which is the generation of sperm and how the sperm eventually

Time: 3772.74

arrive at the egg and how certain sperm are selected

Time: 3776.07

to potentially fertilize that egg,

Time: 3778.86

whereas others never really stand a chance.

Time: 3781.15

So next we're going to talk about sperm.

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We're going to talk about what sperm are,

Time: 3784.77

where they are generated, and how they are generated,

Time: 3786.978

and how they need to travel both within the male

Time: 3789.39

and within the female in order to allow fertilization

Time: 3792.84

to potentially occur.

Time: 3793.92

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So we've covered the ovulatory cycle in females.

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And I confess, it was a lot of information

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with a lot of biological nomenclature.

Time: 3866.37

But I promise you that many of those same themes

Time: 3869.13

and indeed the same names and nomenclature

Time: 3871.92

will show up in the discussion that we're

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going to have now, which is about the generation of sperm.

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Now, sperm are similar to eggs in the sense

Time: 3880.452

that they are part of the germline.

Time: 3881.91

They are these protected cells, protected in the sense

Time: 3884.59

that the activities of an individual

Time: 3887.62

are not going to change the genetic makeup of those cells.

Time: 3892.07

Now, again, there are instances in which

Time: 3894.22

mutagens, such as chemicals, could disrupt

Time: 3897.73

the genomes of the germ cells in males, just

Time: 3900.91

as it could in females.

Time: 3901.97

But in general, the activities, the things

Time: 3904.51

that we do, the experiences we have,

Time: 3906.61

doesn't tend to change the genome of those cells.

Time: 3909.41

However, there are a lot of lifestyle factors--

Time: 3911.453

dos and don'ts, nutrition and supplements and prescription

Time: 3913.87

drugs, et cetera-- that can indeed modify the quality

Time: 3917.77

of the sperm.

Time: 3918.85

And we'll talk about what sperm quality means.

Time: 3920.9

But the point is that the sperm cell, much like the egg cell,

Time: 3927.31

are both germline cells.

Time: 3928.947

They are not like somatic cells.

Time: 3930.28

They are unique populations.

Time: 3931.6

And let's just remember what the job of the sperm cell is.

Time: 3934.48

The job of the sperm cell is to deliver the genetic material

Time: 3938.2

from the father and to do that in the form of a haploid cell.

Time: 3942.92

So that means 23 chromosomes, 22 autosomes,

Time: 3947.74

one so-called sex chromosome--

Time: 3950.445

again, not sex the verb, at least not in this case.

Time: 3952.57

Sex, the verb, is a discussion we're

Time: 3954.16

going to have in a few minutes, but sex the noun.

Time: 3957.07

The sex chromosome can either be an X chromosome or a Y

Time: 3960.7

chromosome.

Time: 3961.97

So 22 autosomes and then one sex chromosome

Time: 3964.63

is going to be contained within the sperm

Time: 3966.91

because it's a haploid cell, not a diploid cell.

Time: 3969.1

Remember, the egg was diploid, then it became haploid.

Time: 3971.35

The sperm cells are cells that are

Time: 3974.617

created through the division of other cells.

Time: 3976.45

But after that division occurs through a process called

Time: 3978.88

meiosis, the sperm cell is going to contain 23 chromosomes,

Time: 3984.58

consisting of 22 autosomes and one sex chromosome.

Time: 3987.49

And the sperm that manages to deposit its DNA contents

Time: 3992.2

into the egg, to fertilize the egg,

Time: 3994.18

will either have an X sex chromosome or a Y sex

Time: 3998.47

chromosome.

Time: 3999.19

And the Y sex chromosome has a number

Time: 4001.56

of different genes on that chromosome that

Time: 4004.02

will suppress, for instance, the development

Time: 4006.87

of the female reproductive axis.

Time: 4009.39

One good example would be the Müllerian-inhibiting hormone,

Time: 4012.24

or MIH.

Time: 4013.38

The gene for Müllerian-inhibiting hormone,

Time: 4015.79

which is a hormone that prevents the formation of the Müllerian

Time: 4018.78

ducts, which is part of the female reproductive structure,

Time: 4022.41

well, that gene controls the prevention of the development

Time: 4027.78

of the female genitalia and in doing so promotes

Time: 4032.07

the development of the male genitalia.

Time: 4033.69

And there are other examples of genes

Time: 4035.01

that are on the Y chromosome that give you

Time: 4036.9

a what we call male phenotype.

Time: 4039.227

You have genotype and phenotype.

Time: 4040.56

By the way, in case you haven't heard this in a while

Time: 4042.99

from your high school biology--

Time: 4044.04

or if you never heard it, no big deal--

Time: 4045.665

karyotype is the complement of chromosome--

Time: 4049.26

XX or XY.

Time: 4050.352

And there are individuals out there

Time: 4051.81

that are XXY or XYY, a discussion for our episode

Time: 4055.53

on sex differentiation.

Time: 4056.76

That's karyotype with a K.

Time: 4058.71

Then there's genotype, which are the genes that you have.

Time: 4061.23

And then there's phenotype, spelled P-H-E-N-O-T-Y-P-E,

Time: 4066.84

phenotype.

Time: 4067.65

And the phenotype is how the genes,

Time: 4071.53

which then code for RNA, which code for protein,

Time: 4074.91

how those are expressed in terms of things like eye color.

Time: 4077.613

So eye color is a phenotype.

Time: 4078.78

Height is a phenotype.

Time: 4079.8

Hair color is a phenotype.

Time: 4080.94

So you have karyotype, genotype, and phenotype.

Time: 4082.93

Well, what we need to do is we need to bring together

Time: 4085.65

that sperm, which is haploidd it contains those 23

Time: 4088.71

chromosomal strandes--

Time: 4090.66

with either an X or a Y. Sex chromosome

Time: 4093.03

is the 23rd chromosome.

Time: 4094.35

We need to get that cell to the egg.

Time: 4097.899

And so when we talk about spermatogenesis, of course,

Time: 4101.17

we are talking about the generation of sperm cells.

Time: 4104.069

But what we're really talking about is the generation

Time: 4106.41

of cells whose job is to deliver the genetic material from dad

Time: 4110.31

to the egg within the female in a way that increases

Time: 4115.68

the probability that not only will that egg be fertilized

Time: 4118.71

but that it will progress in a healthy way with each set

Time: 4122.88

of chromosomes from mom and from dad--

Time: 4124.89

each set of 23 chromosomes, that is--

Time: 4127.56

will progress in a healthy way, will implant in a healthy way,

Time: 4131.85

and will maintain and grow in a healthy way to a healthy embryo

Time: 4136.77

and child and eventually adult. That's the job of the sperm.

Time: 4141.18

So as we talk about spermatogenesis,

Time: 4143.34

let's just remember that and why they're there

Time: 4146.067

in the first place.

Time: 4146.859

Now, a few things about sperm that are interesting,

Time: 4149.55

besides the fact that they're haploid

Time: 4151.62

and besides the fact that, as you all know, they swim.

Time: 4154.213

They have a head and a tail.

Time: 4155.38

They actually have a head, a mid region, and a tail,

Time: 4157.547

and that mid region turns out to be very important.

Time: 4159.729

It's something we'll come back to again and again.

Time: 4161.812

That mid region is really key for the ability for sperm

Time: 4164.52

to engage in forward progression to swim forward.

Time: 4167.7

It involves the activity of mitochondria,

Time: 4170.17

which are involved in generation of ATP, which

Time: 4173.58

is involved in all aspects of energy and all cells.

Time: 4176.34

But let's just remember that the sperm are swimming cells.

Time: 4180.149

And in order to create a really good swimmer

Time: 4183.3

or set of swimmers, you need a couple of things.

Time: 4185.68

First of all, within the testes is where the sperm develop.

Time: 4189.99

And unlike in females and unlike in the ovary,

Time: 4193.56

there's no vault of sperm.

Time: 4195.12

The sperm are continually being generated.

Time: 4197.64

It takes about 60 days for sperm to be

Time: 4200.22

born from their parent cells--

Time: 4202.71

because cells actually give rise to other cells,

Time: 4204.76

that's the it works-- to be born from their parent cells

Time: 4206.79

and then matured to the point where they

Time: 4208.457

can be a really good swimmer.

Time: 4209.67

Now, that doesn't mean that a bunch of sperm

Time: 4213.6

are made on day one, and then 60 days later, all those sperm

Time: 4217.56

are deployed in the form of ejaculate,

Time: 4219.39

and then the cycle starts over again.

Time: 4221.14

So it's a little different than the ovulatory menstrual cycle.

Time: 4223.74

Rather, at any given point in time-- like right now,

Time: 4226.53

if you have testes, you have some sperm in your testes that

Time: 4229.77

are immature and cannot swim, cannot deliver those contents

Time: 4235.35

to--

Time: 4235.95

those genetic contents, rather-- to the female egg.

Time: 4238.77

And you have some sperm that are mature,

Time: 4240.51

and you very likely have some sperm that are so mature

Time: 4243.78

that they are dying off or that they're dead.

Time: 4246.09

Almost certainly, also, regardless of your age,

Time: 4248.73

you have some sperm that are healthier than others, that are

Time: 4251.64

better swimmers than others.

Time: 4253.18

This is just the way the system works.

Time: 4256.15

Now, the process of spermatogenesis

Time: 4259.212

involves a couple of things, but a lot of the players

Time: 4261.42

are the same as the process of developing

Time: 4263.88

the so-called oocyte, the immature egg.

Time: 4268.18

We've got GnRH from the hypothalamus.

Time: 4270.523

That's going to be a player.

Time: 4271.69

We have FSH, follicle-stimulating hormone,

Time: 4273.888

although the name's a little bit of a misnomer in the context

Time: 4276.43

of spermatogenesis, because in the context of spermatogenesis,

Time: 4279.43

there is no follicle.

Time: 4280.563

What we're really talking about is

Time: 4281.98

FSH for stimulating the maturation of the sperm cell,

Time: 4286.31

so not egg follicle but sperm cell.

Time: 4288.34

But we still have GnRH, FSH, LH, and rather

Time: 4292.39

than the ovary being the target of those hormones,

Time: 4294.76

it's going to be the testes.

Time: 4296.48

So most everybody should know that the testes and the ovaries

Time: 4300.4

are the so-called gonads.

Time: 4302.83

The testes, of course, reside outside of the body.

Time: 4306.25

There are instances where the testes fail

Time: 4309.16

to descend during development.

Time: 4310.66

Certainly, if the testes don't descend

Time: 4312.57

on time, that's something that doctors need to be made aware

Time: 4315.07

of, the pediatrician should be made aware of,

Time: 4316.945

because that can prevent fertility.

Time: 4320.02

Why would that be?

Time: 4321.02

Well, it turns out that the testes

Time: 4323.41

reside outside the body in the scrotum

Time: 4325.63

because the temperature conditions

Time: 4328.54

under which spermatogenesis can occur

Time: 4331.03

and under which healthy sperm can be maintained

Time: 4334.42

are very restricted and is approximately 2 degrees cooler

Time: 4340.21

than the rest of the body.

Time: 4341.99

This is very important.

Time: 4343.45

I think this is something that used to be discussed a lot more

Time: 4346.18

but isn't discussed so much these days.

Time: 4348.88

But keeping the testes cool enough--

Time: 4351.053

doesn't necessarily mean keeping them cold, although there

Time: 4353.47

is a place for using cold exposure,

Time: 4355.3

deliberate cold exposure, to improve

Time: 4357.7

sperm quality and number and perhaps even

Time: 4359.89

testosterone levels.

Time: 4360.98

We'll talk about that a little bit later.

Time: 4362.688

But keeping the testes about 2 degrees

Time: 4366.19

cooler than the rest of the body is absolutely key.

Time: 4369.2

If sperm get too hot, they die.

Time: 4371.95

And if spermatocytes, the cells that give rise to sperm,

Time: 4374.59

get too warm, well, then oftentimes the sperm

Time: 4377.62

that develop are not healthy, not healthy

Time: 4380.427

in a number of ways.

Time: 4381.26

Either they can't engage in fast forward progression--

Time: 4384.37

that is, swimming-- or they will lack the ability

Time: 4388.45

to deposit their DNA contents within the egg.

Time: 4391.36

So again, whatever is contained in the ejaculate

Time: 4394.06

is going to be a mixture of different sperm qualities.

Time: 4396.31

And sperm of different ages will impact the quality, but also

Time: 4400.78

the temperature under which those sperm developed is

Time: 4405.13

going to impact their quality.

Time: 4406.75

And so we're going to get into tools a little bit

Time: 4409.27

later, as I mentioned, but just to give you a simple takeaway.

Time: 4412.42

If you are hoping to conceive in the next 90 days--

Time: 4416.08

the spermatogenesis cycle take 60 days,

Time: 4418.24

but then the sperm actually have to migrate from the testicle

Time: 4421.63

into the so-called epididymis, which is a related structure,

Time: 4425.17

and then into the vas deferens and then

Time: 4427.33

into the urethra, where it can be part of the ejaculate.

Time: 4429.82

In order for sperm to do all that properly,

Time: 4433.21

undergo that maturation and then exit in ejaculate in a way

Time: 4436.39

that's healthy or that the sperm is healthy,

Time: 4439.93

if you plan to conceive children or to try and conceive children

Time: 4443.74

in the next 90 days, you definitely want to avoid

Time: 4446.98

exposing your testicles-- that is, your scrotum--

Time: 4450.67

to elevated temperatures.

Time: 4453.08

So that means definitely avoiding hot tubs,

Time: 4456.19

definitely avoiding hot baths.

Time: 4457.69

Now, a brief hot bath or hot tub or hot shower

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isn't going to be a problem, although if you're

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really interested in conceiving, I would avoid hot tubs

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and hot baths as much as possible.

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Hot showers are probably fine.

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But if you're going to go into a sauna, for instance,

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you might want to rethink that decision.

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And if you do decide to, you almost certainly

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would want to bring a cold pack in that you could-- well,

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hopefully put some material between the cold pack

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and the scrotum so you don't get a cold burn.

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But put something there, but keep the scrotal tissue cool.

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Keep it cold to cool because heat exposure can really

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mutate and disrupt the developing sperm,

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and it can kill sperm.

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And so, again, that would be for an entire 90 days

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leading up to your attempts to conceive.

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Again, we'll get into more tools later, but a number of people

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also have probably heard of the boxers versus briefs

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controversy, I guess it is, or whether or not people call

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it going commando with no underwear of any kind-- boxers,

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briefs, briefs, or otherwise rather.

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It turns out that the data on that point to the fact

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that there isn't really a big difference in terms of sperm

Time: 4525.64

quality if people wear boxers or briefs

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or don't wear anything under their jeans or shorts at all.

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The scrotum has the ability to move the testicles far enough

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away from the body in order to achieve lower

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temperatures if it needs to.

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It achieves that through a muscle

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called the cremaster muscle, which

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is a really interesting muscle, believe it or not.

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I was reading up on the biology of the cremaster

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muscle, something I never thought

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I'd spend too much time on but that I ended up spending far

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too much time reading up about.

Time: 4553.393

And it's really fascinating.

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What you have is a muscle that is a smooth muscle

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tissue, unlike skeletal muscle, which is striated muscle,

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that is temperature dependent.

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So it has certain nerve endings, and it has certain receptors

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on it that allow it to respond to local temperature

Time: 4569.41

and then to relax in order to essentially let

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the testicles to descend further from the body or to contract

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and bring the testicles closer to the body

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in order to try and maintain the optimal temperature range.

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And it turns out the cremaster muscle can achieve that

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whether or not people are wearing boxers or briefs.

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Although it stands to reason that any kind of--

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there's no other name for it-- undergarments-- you know,

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I don't know why that word just seems kind of antiquated--

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but undergarment that allows some movement of the scrotum

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and the testicles should be sufficient to allow

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these temperature variations to occur and keep things in range.

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That said, a little bit later, we'll go into some detail,

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really--

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because it's important-- as to why,

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for instance, if you are somebody who has big thighs,

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believe it or not, that it actually

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can lower sperm count substantially, whether or not

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the big thighs occur because you're very muscular

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or the big thighs occur because you are overweight.

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It can increase the temperature.

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If you're sitting a lot, increases

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scrotal temperature, for sure.

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And there are some other things that can increase scrotal

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temperature, seat heaters in cars, for instance--

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terrible idea, just terrible idea if you're hoping

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to conceive in the near future--

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and again, hot tub, things of that sort.

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So temperature modulation of spermatogenesis and sperm

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quality and function is key.

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That relates a little bit more to tools.

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But what happens?

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How does the actual sperm develop?

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Well, contained within the testicle,

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you have the cells, the so-called spermatogonia,

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which differentiate into so-called spermatocytes.

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You don't have to remember all this.

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And the spermatocytes undergo this process of meiosis.

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Meiosis is a form of cell division, which

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reduces the chromosome number to those 23 individual strands as

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opposed to pairs.

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So it makes them haploid as opposed to diploid.

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Very, very important for reasons that we talked about earlier.

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And the meiosis process in these primordial sperm cells,

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these immature sperm cells, is similar to the meiosis process

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that occurs in eggs when the chromosomes segregate in

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that it involves these spindle-like structures

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within the cell.

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Now, why do I keep bringing up the spindles?

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Well, it turns out that the function

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of the spindle in the egg and the sperm

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is heavily dependent on mitochondrial function.

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And later when we get into tools for improving egg and sperm

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quality, you're going to hear about a lot of tools

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for improving mitochondria.

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And it's not just because the mitochondria

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are involved in energy-demanding aspects of cell biology.

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But it's also because the mitochondria in this context

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are very, very important for the removal of or the separation

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of one set of chromosomes to give you

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these two sets of haploid cells, the egg and the sperm.

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And this is so important because many failures at fertilization,

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many failures at implantation, many, many miscarriages,

Time: 4733.63

and many birth defects that do survive after birth that

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are very detrimental, such as trisomies and things like that,

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occur because the spindles don't effectively pull apart

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the chromosomes in typically the egg,

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but it can also occur in the sperm.

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So the spindles and the fact that mitochondria

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are rich on the spindle are very important for generating

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these haploid sperm-- again, 23 individual strands

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of chromosomes.

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That's occurring inside of the testes.

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So there's not as much long-distance migration

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of the spermatocytes and the sperm cells

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as there is the egg just when you

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think about the overall architecture of the uterus

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and the Fallopian tubes compared to the testicles,

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but there's still a lot of movement.

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So within the testicle, if you were

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to look at the testicle in cross-section--

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and I prefer to call it that rather than cut

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the testicle in half.

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Any time you talk about anatomy, you actually

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talk about slicing things.

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That's what you would do with a cadaver is what I teach

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and we do in my laboratory and, frankly,

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in biological laboratories all over the place.

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But when you talk about it, you talk about if you were to take

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a visual cross-section through the testicle,

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what you would find is that there are a lot of different

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little tubes, a lot of ducts, D-U-C-T-S, ducts.

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Those are pathways.

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And the main ducts that are important for this discussion

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are called the seminiferous tubules.

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So it's a mesh-like or network structure

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of tubes in the testicle.

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And the immature sperm sit on a little compartment

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along the edge of those tubes.

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And as they mature, they move towards the center

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of those tubes.

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And then when they are mature enough,

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those sperm cells actually drop into the hollow of the tube,

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and then can travel through those tubes

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to a structure that's along the side of the testicle called

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the epididymis.

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The epididymis, again, is a series of ducts.

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And then the epididymis converges with something

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called the vas deferens.

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I think in high school, we all remember this

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by thinking about it's the vast difference.

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I don't know who came up with that.

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I think it was a young girl sitting

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to the left of me that was like, oh, it's

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like the vast difference.

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I never forgot that.

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I don't know.

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Maybe it was the topic matter.

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Maybe it was her.

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Maybe it was some combination of the two.

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But in any case, the sperm go from the seminiferous

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tubules to the epididymis and then

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to the vas deferens and then are contained in the ejaculate,

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along with seminal fluid.

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Now, the seminal fluid is the carrier fluid

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for the sperm themselves.

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This is important because it turns out

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that a lot of things that can both negatively or positively

Time: 4886.16

impact the quality of the sperm relates not just

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to the sperm cells themselves and the temperature

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of the environment that they were matured in,

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but also to the semen quality.

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For instance, if you are a heavy drinker, if you are a smoker,

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or if you are a regular user of cannabis,

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especially if you smoke cannabis or vape cannabis,

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you create a lot of reactive oxygen species

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that disrupt the chemistry of the seminal fluid, which

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disrupts the sperm cells.

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So it's not a direct action always on the sperm cell

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itself, although it can be.

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So for instance, in the form of smoked tobacco or cannabis,

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there are a lot of carcinogens and mutagens

Time: 4929.21

that actually mutate the DNA, can cause DNA fragmentation,

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and debilitate sperm.

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But there are also a lot of things created by smoking

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in particular, regardless of what's being smoked,

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that can create elevated reactive oxygen species

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and disrupt the seminal fluid that the sperm are contained

Time: 4948.77

in in the so-called ejaculate, the semen.

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Now, this will also become a relevant conversation later

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when we briefly talk about vasectomies.

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Vasectomies are literally a cutting

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of the vas deferens, which leads to a situation,

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provided the surgery was done correctly,

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where men can still achieve all the other aspects

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of intercourse.

Time: 4971.06

They can still achieve erection.

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They can still achieve orgasm.

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They can still ejaculate.

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But when they ejaculate, the seminal fluid is released,

Time: 4980.28

but there are no sperm contained within the seminal fluid.

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And it turns out that vasectomies

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are a very effective form of birth control.

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And they always check to see if zero sperm

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and confirm that zero sperm are being

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released in the ejaculate.

Time: 4992.54

They are reversible.

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And that is, vasectomies are reversible, but not always.

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There are a subset of cases where it's not reversible,

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in which case if people still want to have children,

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you have to go in and actually surgically extract sperm

Time: 5005.35

from the testicles.

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But it's a process in which the vas deferens is altered

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or severed in a way that the sperm can't actually

Time: 5014.29

exit the testicle.

Time: 5015.96

They can get into the epididymis, usually,

Time: 5017.71

but not into the vas deferens and so on and so forth.

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So if you've ever wondered what a vasectomy is,

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that's what a vasectomy is.

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And I mentioned vasectomy now because it illustrates

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the difference between the seminal fluid, the semen,

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and the sperm that the semen contain.

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So 60 days to generate the sperm, another two weeks

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or so for the sperm to travel through the various ducts

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to the point where they can be contained in the ejaculate.

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Let's talk about the sperm cells themselves.

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The sperm cells, again, have these 23 pairs

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of single-strand chromosomes.

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They're haploid.

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They have either an X or a Y sex chromosome

Time: 5056.83

as the 23rd so-called sex chromosome.

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And as we all know, they have a head.

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The head tends to be oval in most cases.

Time: 5064.19

The head contains very important enzymes and proteins

Time: 5067.72

that are designed to fuse with the much larger egg

Time: 5070.99

and to actually take the membrane of the sperm cell

Time: 5073.57

and combine to actually mesh with the egg cell's membrane

Time: 5080.58

and then deliver the genetic contents to the egg cell,

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in other words, to fertilize the egg cell.

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Now, just behind the head is a region called the mid region.

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That mid region is a slightly thickened region.

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And here, of course, I'm talking about healthy sperm cell

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morphology.

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Morphology simply means shape.

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A mid region-- that mid region has a bunch

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of things related to cell motility

Time: 5104.58

and to the forward progression of the cells.

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First of all, it is chock a block full of mitochondria.

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In fact, if you were to look just

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behind the head of the sperm, what you'd see

Time: 5114.24

is that it is completely surrounded by mitochondria.

Time: 5118.647

There are mitochondria elsewhere in the cell, but most of them

Time: 5121.23

are contained in this mid region compartment

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just behind the head of the sperm.

Time: 5125.97

And that thick region is where the tail movement of the sperm,

Time: 5130.65

the flagellation back and forth, is actually generated from.

Time: 5137.85

Much like if you were to hold a rope, like a battle

Time: 5140.73

rope in the gym, and you were to whip the battle rope,

Time: 5145.02

the whip at the one end of the rope

Time: 5147.09

is what allows for the sort of-- let's just call it

Time: 5152.16

what it is-- the curves in the rope,

Time: 5153.87

the oscillations, the rising and falling

Time: 5155.73

of the rope all the way out to the end.

Time: 5157.77

It is the force of the whip right at that end that with

Time: 5162.645

the battle rope you're doing with your hand--

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and with the sperm, that is occurring just behind the head

Time: 5167.46

of the sperm--

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that is actually going to dictate how fast

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and how well that sperm can swim.

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And indeed, the sperm has to swim very far.

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How far?

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Well, on a relative scale--

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and again, these are estimations because they're going to be--

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how should we say?

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There will be differences in the distance

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from the head of the penis and where the ejaculation occurs

Time: 5193.02

to the cervix, depending on the relative size

Time: 5195.78

of the vaginal canal and the penis that

Time: 5198.27

delivers the ejaculate to the vaginal canal.

Time: 5200.22

But once the sperm arrive at the cervix, which

Time: 5204.57

is at the back of the vaginal canal

Time: 5207.42

just at the opening to the uterus,

Time: 5209.34

once the sperm arrive there, the distance

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from the cervix to the egg, of course,

Time: 5215.88

will vary depending on where that egg is

Time: 5218.01

in its ovulatory trajectory, its pathway.

Time: 5220.92

But it is akin, if you scale for size,

Time: 5224.43

to the distance between Los Angeles and San Francisco,

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which is many, many hundreds of miles.

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So those sperm have to swim very far.

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Now, of course, if the sperm are delivered in the vaginal canal

Time: 5236.1

somewhat further away, they will have further to go.

Time: 5239.015

If they're delivered right at the cervical opening,

Time: 5241.14

they will have less far to go.

Time: 5242.82

The very effective swimming sperm swim very fast.

Time: 5247.6

So they are able to accomplish that distance

Time: 5249.72

in just a few days.

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And this relates to a discussion that we

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will get into in a lot more detail

Time: 5255.84

later as to how often couples should have intercourse

Time: 5259.74

if they're trying to conceive.

Time: 5261.313

Many people might think, well, it's every day.

Time: 5263.23

However, the more frequent the ejaculation, the lower

Time: 5266.28

the concentration of sperm in each ejaculate.

Time: 5269.04

So this is not a discussion about how often

Time: 5271.11

to have intercourse depending to your preferences,

Time: 5273.57

for pleasure or bonding or whatever reason.

Time: 5275.76

This is a discussion about how often to have intercourse

Time: 5278.61

in order to optimize the probability of fertilization

Time: 5282.03

of the egg.

Time: 5282.81

There's some general rules that, of course, come to mind,

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which is ejaculations close to ovulation-- both before,

Time: 5290.35

during, or sometimes after--

Time: 5292.83

are obviously advantageous.

Time: 5295.65

But you will also hear OB/GYNs and urologist

Time: 5298.62

suggesting intercourse every other day

Time: 5301.29

leading up to the day of ovulation,

Time: 5304.02

starting about three to four days out

Time: 5306.54

from the day of ovulation.

Time: 5308.34

So we got a little bit sidetracked,

Time: 5310.17

albeit I think appropriately so, in focusing on fertilization.

Time: 5314.598

But what we were talking about right up until the point

Time: 5316.89

of that is the anatomy of the sperm itself,

Time: 5319.84

which is the head, the mid region that

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contains all those mitochondria, and then the tail.

Time: 5324.28

Now, what we haven't discussed is the actual generation

Time: 5327.75

of the sperm.

Time: 5328.54

So if you're a male or if you're a female,

Time: 5331.57

I think it's really important to understand

Time: 5333.57

how spermatogenesis works.

Time: 5336.81

Spermatogenesis works in much in the same way

Time: 5340.05

that the generation and maturation of eggs work,

Time: 5343.578

although, as I mentioned before, it's

Time: 5345.12

going to occur ongoing throughout the cycle

Time: 5348.69

of the male's life after puberty.

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We already talked about puberty, and I'll just

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cover this in two or three sentences

Time: 5356.1

as it relates to males.

Time: 5357.48

And it's essentially the same thing.

Time: 5361.35

The hypothalamus, up until the point of puberty,

Time: 5364.35

is providing suppression of the release

Time: 5367.62

of gonadotropin-releasing hormone.

Time: 5369.18

Then some biological clock, which is still not clearly

Time: 5373.32

understood-- it's probably not leptin coming from body fat.

Time: 5378.09

Again, unlike in the female, it's probably not leptin

Time: 5380.805

coming from body fat.

Time: 5381.68

But some other signal arrives to the hypothalamus,

Time: 5384.92

removes that inhibition, and GnRH,

Time: 5386.87

gonadotropin-releasing hormone, is now

Time: 5388.85

released onto the pituitary.

Time: 5390.5

A bunch of hormones are deployed from the pituitary

Time: 5392.87

as a consequence.

Time: 5393.66

The two most important ones for the context of this discussion

Time: 5396.59

are follicle-stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone.

Time: 5400.29

Follicle-stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone

Time: 5402.6

travel to the testes, and they're

Time: 5405.35

going to do two main things.

Time: 5406.77

One, they're going to trigger the production of testosterone.

Time: 5410.09

And they're going to trigger the production

Time: 5412.37

of the sperm themselves.

Time: 5413.78

They're going to set in motion, for essentially

Time: 5415.88

the rest of the life of the male, the production of sperm.

Time: 5420.47

They're going to initiate the spermatogenesis cycle,

Time: 5422.69

and that cycle is going to be ongoing

Time: 5424.232

at various stages for different sperm

Time: 5426.32

for the rest of the man's life.

Time: 5428.99

This is very different than the triggering of development

Time: 5433.76

of oocytes and eggs in females, where there's an existing

Time: 5437.6

vault. That vault can be depleted to the point of zero

Time: 5440.345

where it can't occur again.

Time: 5441.47

Men can generate sperm their entire lifetime.

Time: 5443.87

Of course, there's a diminishment

Time: 5445.52

of sperm production in very, very late age,

Time: 5448.88

say, 80s and 90s or 100s.

Time: 5450.26

But believe it or not, there are still sperm being produced.

Time: 5452.76

The quality of those sperm is another question.

Time: 5455.03

So everything we're going to talk about now

Time: 5457.16

is essentially puberty onward.

Time: 5459.95

Prior to that, testicles are present,

Time: 5462.35

but they're not generating sperm.

Time: 5464.63

Ejaculation isn't possible, or if it is possible,

Time: 5467.36

it's very unlikely and unusual, and it's not

Time: 5470.12

going to contain sperm.

Time: 5472.93

Everything we're going to talk about now

Time: 5474.73

is puberty forward, so puberty onward to the rest of life.

Time: 5480.25

And luteinizing hormone secreted from the pituitary acts

Time: 5484.63

on the testes and on a very specific cell type

Time: 5487.93

in the testes called the Leydig egg cells, or Leydig cells,

Time: 5490.66

L-E-Y-D-I-G, the Leydig cells.

Time: 5493

The Leydig cells of the testes are what produce testosterone.

Time: 5497.74

Testosterone is going to have two major effects.

Time: 5501.56

And here I mean really major because it

Time: 5503.29

has many, many hundreds of effects on different tissues

Time: 5505.63

of the body.

Time: 5506.18

In fact, that's the definition of a hormone, really.

Time: 5508.347

It's a substance that acts in an endocrine fashion.

Time: 5511.09

It can act on the very tissue that generated it.

Time: 5513.46

So for instance, testosterone made by the Leydig cells

Time: 5515.74

within the testes will act on the testes,

Time: 5517.3

as we'll talk about in a moment.

Time: 5518.633

But it can also act on other tissues.

Time: 5521

It can act on the pharynx and larynx

Time: 5522.5

and deepen the voice, as it does during puberty.

Time: 5524.5

It can act on the hair follicles and generate facial hair.

Time: 5526.93

It can act on the musculature and generate protein synthesis

Time: 5530.782

and development of muscle, bone, et

Time: 5532.24

cetera, all the things we associate

Time: 5533.698

with puberty and with testosterone typically.

Time: 5537.41

Restricting the conversation to the effects of testosterone

Time: 5540.29

on the testicle itself and on spermatogenesis,

Time: 5543.2

the Leydig cells make testosterone.

Time: 5545.66

And keep in mind that some of that testosterone

Time: 5547.945

will travel elsewhere in the body

Time: 5549.32

and do its thing for gene expression

Time: 5551.48

and the more acute effects of testosterone on the brain

Time: 5554.12

included.

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But the testosterone within the testes

Time: 5557.9

is at extremely high concentration.

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In fact, the concentration of intratesticular testosterone

Time: 5564.83

is at least 100 times higher than the concentration

Time: 5567.97

of testosterone anywhere else in the body,

Time: 5569.72

even though it's being secreted into the rest of the body.

Time: 5572.828

And that's because there are a number

Time: 5574.37

of different so-called binding proteins and enzymes

Time: 5577.64

that sequester the testosterone within the testes.

Time: 5580.467

So the Leydig cells are making testosterone,

Time: 5582.3

and a lot of that testosterone is acting on

Time: 5584.84

and is restricted to the testes.

Time: 5586.58

And that turns out to be very important because testosterone

Time: 5591.41

within the testes acts in concert

Time: 5594.53

with a different biological program that starts with FSH,

Time: 5598.16

follicle-stimulating hormone, that also travels to the testes

Time: 5601.37

and acts on a very specific set of cells that are called

Time: 5605.45

supporting cells or, more specifically,

Time: 5607.82

the Sertoli cells.

Time: 5609.92

The Sertoli cells are the cells that

Time: 5612.53

generate something called ABP, or androgen-binding protein.

Time: 5616.46

And it is the combination of testosterone from the Leydig

Time: 5619.7

cells and ABP from the Sertoli cells

Time: 5623.06

that is necessary for spermatogenesis.

Time: 5626.66

It's necessary for those spermatocytes

Time: 5629.24

to become what will eventually be healthy, mature sperm that

Time: 5632.96

have really nice shaped oval heads, have a mid region,

Time: 5636.23

chock a block through mitochondria,

Time: 5637.73

and can generate a fast whipping motion of the tail

Time: 5640.34

to swim from the cervix, or up the vagina into the cervix,

Time: 5644.18

and from the cervix to the egg to fertilize the egg.

Time: 5647.78

So it's really a basic set of chemical players that are

Time: 5650.69

involved here and so basic, in fact,

Time: 5653.67

that if you were to disrupt any one of these chemical players--

Time: 5656.48

either the luteinizing hormone, the FSH,

Time: 5659.115

the testosterone from the Leydig cells,

Time: 5660.74

or androgen-binding protein--

Time: 5663.05

you would observe pretty marked disruption

Time: 5667.61

in spermatogenesis or the elimination of sperm entirely.

Time: 5671.07

We'll get into a few deficits in sperm development

Time: 5673.76

and sperm number and sperm function a little bit later.

Time: 5676.08

But just keep in mind--

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or I should say, maybe sit back and just

Time: 5679.76

appreciate that the exact same players generate

Time: 5682.57

from the hypothalamus, which causes luteinizing

Time: 5685.46

hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone released

Time: 5688.16

from the pituitary, which travels to the gonad, which

Time: 5691.4

in this case is the testicle, which triggers

Time: 5693.95

the release of testosterone from Leydig

Time: 5695.63

cells, which triggers the action of the supporting cells,

Time: 5700.13

the Sertoli cells, which make androgen-binding protein.

Time: 5703.49

Testosterone and androgen-binding protein

Time: 5705.23

combine and create a chemical and actually

Time: 5708.62

a structural milieu in which those little spermatocytes

Time: 5712.31

can go from the walls, from literally

Time: 5714.95

the walls of the tubes of the seminiferous tubules,

Time: 5717.53

can mature into healthy, well-developed sperm,

Time: 5719.84

and can hop into those ducts, those little tubes,

Time: 5723.11

and then head off to the epididymis, where they will

Time: 5725.9

reside-- the epididymis is the tissue nearby the testicles

Time: 5729.08

or surrounding one portion of the testicle--

Time: 5731.16

and then eventually fuse with the vas deferens,

Time: 5733.94

can combine with or be contained with, rather,

Time: 5736.88

the seminal fluid, and then can be ejaculated via the urethra

Time: 5741.41

into the female, where then they can

Time: 5743.06

swim very quickly, effectively the distance, for them anyway,

Time: 5746.84

from Los Angeles to San Francisco,

Time: 5748.94

over the course of a very short period of time,

Time: 5751.49

and fertilize the egg.

Time: 5753.71

So that's the process of spermatogenesis, the maturation

Time: 5756.65

of sperm, which is ongoing throughout the lifespan

Time: 5760.19

from puberty onward.

Time: 5761.66

And in doing so, we talked about some of the hormonal elements--

Time: 5764.54

coming from the hypothalamus and coming from the pituitary,

Time: 5767.66

and within the testes themselves the Leydig cells, which

Time: 5770.54

produce testosterone, the Sertoli cells,

Time: 5772.32

which are the support cells that allow spermatogenesis to occur.

Time: 5777.95

With that in mind, next I'd like to think

Time: 5780.32

about what's actually contained in the ejaculate in terms

Time: 5783.02

of numbers of sperm and what's really being selected

Time: 5786.163

for in terms of the sperm that actually successfully

Time: 5788.33

fertilizes the egg and what sorts of elements

Time: 5790.88

come into play in dictating whether or not fertilization

Time: 5794.48

will or won't occur.

Time: 5795.87

And the major themes that we're going to discuss

Time: 5797.93

are frequency of ejaculation, but really

Time: 5801.02

that's just kind of a proxy for talking about maximizing

Time: 5804.59

sperm concentration and quality of sperm arriving at the egg--

Time: 5808.94

because, remember, ovulation and the menstrual cycle

Time: 5811.28

are really about creating the opportunity for fertilization.

Time: 5815.58

And we are also going to talk about how

Time: 5818.03

the vaginal duct, the vagina, and

Time: 5821.72

the milieu around the cervix and some other elements

Time: 5824.96

within the female herself contribute to

Time: 5828.41

and support the sperm in their journey to the egg

Time: 5831.518

and in the likelihood that they will fertilize the egg.

Time: 5833.81

So really what we need to talk about first is sperm quality.

Time: 5837.29

And we should also probably talk about ejaculate quality,

Time: 5840.68

because, as odd as that theme might seem,

Time: 5844.82

really the ejaculate quality, which

Time: 5847.998

has a number of different parameters,

Time: 5849.54

including the number of mature sperm

Time: 5852.62

that are not so mature that they're swimming slower

Time: 5854.78

or are dead, but also quality of sperm.

Time: 5856.56

They have, for instance, one tail.

Time: 5857.977

It's not entirely uncommon to see sperm

Time: 5860.3

with two tails because they just didn't form properly

Time: 5863.06

or sperm that are not moving very much.

Time: 5865.79

In fact, sperm motility is scored along a scale of 0,

Time: 5868.99

1, 2, or 3, 3 being the best, fast forward progressing.

Time: 5872.99

0 is not moving at all.

Time: 5874.94

1, they're actually called twitchers.

Time: 5877.382

Twitchers are sperm that sort of just twitch in place

Time: 5879.59

but don't undergo forward progression.

Time: 5881.99

2 is somewhere in between 1 and 3, not surprisingly.

Time: 5886.82

Different clinics, different OB/GYNs, different urologists

Time: 5890.825

will throw out different numbers.

Time: 5892.2

But in general, it is hoped that more than 50% of the sperm

Time: 5897.62

should be motile in some way or another, so not scoring a 0,

Time: 5900.47

but a 1, or 2, or ideally a 3.

Time: 5903.62

The concentration of sperm--

Time: 5905.36

of course, if it's higher within the ejaculate, the total number

Time: 5910.43

of sperm per milliliter of ejaculate, if that's higher,

Time: 5913.76

then there's a higher probability

Time: 5915.29

that one of those sperm will fertilize the egg.

Time: 5918.32

One thing I didn't mention before when

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discussing the production of eggs and ovulation--

Time: 5922.058

and I probably should have, so I will

Time: 5923.6

now-- is that most often only one

Time: 5926.48

ovary gives rise to an ovulating egg.

Time: 5931.06

It happens, but it's somewhat rare for two mature eggs, one

Time: 5937.7

from each ovary, to be deployed during a single ovulation.

Time: 5940.965

There's a name for that when it occurs and both are fertilized.

Time: 5943.59

It's called fraternal twins.

Time: 5946.19

If a single egg--

Time: 5948.11

that, of course, comes from a single ovary--

Time: 5950.24

is fertilized and the egg splits--

Time: 5954.052

and that's something that happens further along

Time: 5956.01

in the process of fertilization and differentiation

Time: 5959.28

of the embryo--

Time: 5960.07

well, then what you get are identical twins.

Time: 5963.18

There are other instances that are quite uncommon in which

Time: 5966.457

you can get fraternal twins through other circumstances.

Time: 5968.79

But in general, that's the way it works.

Time: 5970.457

But essentially what happens is one egg

Time: 5972.33

from one ovary-- that's the most common occurrence.

Time: 5974.7

The sperm, once ejaculated into the vaginal duct,

Time: 5978.81

are going to pass through the cervix

Time: 5982.38

and then are going to swim toward the egg.

Time: 5984.57

The egg could be at varying locations

Time: 5987.9

along the female reproductive axis.

Time: 5990.66

Now, this is actually a very important thing

Time: 5992.88

and actually gets right down to the safety of both the

Time: 5996.645

potentially developing embryo and the mother.

Time: 5998.52

There is something referred to as ectopic pregnancy,

Time: 6001.19

and that's when the pregnancy actually occurs

Time: 6004.34

within the Fallopian tubes.

Time: 6005.84

So the precise location in which fertilization

Time: 6008.36

between the sperm and the egg occurs can vary somewhat.

Time: 6011.27

But ideally, the fertilized egg implants into the endometrium

Time: 6015.17

or the endometrial lining of the uterus

Time: 6017.33

and develops there as opposed to within the Fallopian tubes,

Time: 6020.58

which is so-called ectopic pregnancy.

Time: 6022.28

Now, where the sperm and the egg meet exactly

Time: 6025.94

can vary, as I mentioned before.

Time: 6027.95

But in general, the faster swimming sperm

Time: 6030.83

and the more far along the ovulatory trajectory the egg

Time: 6034.82

are, the higher the probability of a successful fertilization

Time: 6038.03

because of the proximity to the implantation zone

Time: 6040.61

of the uterus.

Time: 6041.46

So basically it's all a probabilities game.

Time: 6043.82

It's a probabilities game related

Time: 6045.41

to the number of sperm cells that encounter the egg

Time: 6047.69

and where the egg is in terms of its ovulatory cycle

Time: 6050.42

and also its position where it is in the ovulatory cycle.

Time: 6055.28

The sperm parameters-- or I should

Time: 6058.01

say the semen parameters-- and ejaculate parameters

Time: 6061.07

that most clinicians want to see,

Time: 6063.29

if you were to give a sperm sample,

Time: 6065.24

would be somewhere in excess of 15 million sperm per milliliter

Time: 6071.3

of ejaculate.

Time: 6072.92

Now, there's a lot of discussion nowadays.

Time: 6075.11

It seems to be a very popular news theme

Time: 6077.15

to talk about diminishing sperm counts, the idea that 100

Time: 6081.65

years ago or maybe even 35 years ago, the typical male ejaculate

Time: 6085.25

contained 100 million sperm per milliliter,

Time: 6088.01

and nowadays it's down to 15 to 20 or 50.

Time: 6091.04

And indeed, sperm counts do seem to be declining.

Time: 6094.47

And the exact reasons for that are not clear.

Time: 6096.77

I confess I'm a little bit reluctant to talk about this

Time: 6099.062

because there have been a lot of back and forth discussions

Time: 6102.08

about the safety of EMFs, of electromagnetic fields,

Time: 6104.725

and it's not exactly what we're talking about here.

Time: 6106.85

But there are some excellent data

Time: 6109.13

contained in meta-analyses and reviews

Time: 6110.72

that I will provide links to and that we'll talk about

Time: 6112.97

in more detail in a minute that correlate

Time: 6117

the advent of smartphones and in particular caring

Time: 6119.73

of smartphones in the pocket with diminishing sperm counts.

Time: 6123.3

Although there are certain to be other factors that

Time: 6126

can explain diminishing sperm counts as well.

Time: 6128.49

Dr. Shanna Swan, for instance, has done beautiful work

Time: 6132.51

describing how the phthalates and the BPAs

Time: 6136.26

and so-called endocrine disruptors

Time: 6138.12

might be disrupting some of the milieu

Time: 6139.89

of the seminiferous tubules.

Time: 6142.15

So this would be reductions in testosterone and/or disruptions

Time: 6144.96

to the Sertoli cells and androgen-binding protein

Time: 6147.12

brought about by endocrine disruptors such as phthalates

Time: 6149.82

contained in pesticides and contained on printed receipts

Time: 6152.69

and things of that sort.

Time: 6153.69

There are some data that that is negatively

Time: 6155.97

impacting sperm counts.

Time: 6158.97

How much so is still debatable.

Time: 6162.61

There are also quite good data pointing

Time: 6164.77

to the fact that both the heat-related

Time: 6167.43

and the non-heat-related impact of smartphones and laptops

Time: 6172.5

contained on the lap are impacting sperm count

Time: 6175.58

and in a negative way.

Time: 6177.202

Again, there's going to be tremendous variation

Time: 6179.16

in the concentration of sperm from one

Time: 6180.842

individual to the next.

Time: 6181.8

It will vary according to age and a number of other factors

Time: 6184.74

that we'll talk about a little bit later.

Time: 6187.23

But in general, if somebody is wishing to conceive,

Time: 6190.26

then clinicians like to see a ejaculate volume

Time: 6193.89

of more than 2 milliliters.

Time: 6196.72

So ejaculate volume can be anywhere

Time: 6198.87

from 1.5 to 5 milliliters.

Time: 6202.57

And that will strongly be determined

Time: 6204.15

by how frequent ejaculation is occurring.

Time: 6207.16

There's a lot that goes into evaluating the quality

Time: 6209.43

of ejaculate and sperm.

Time: 6210.78

But basically these huge variations that are observed

Time: 6215.36

of anywhere from 15 million sperm per milliliter

Time: 6218.523

or, in some males who are not producing sperm for whatever

Time: 6220.94

reason-- we'll talk about those reasons in a little bit--

Time: 6224.42

as low as 5 million sperm per milliliter,

Time: 6227.402

all the way up to 100 or maybe even

Time: 6228.86

200 million sperm per milliliter.

Time: 6231.2

Huge variation-- the cause of which is not always clear

Time: 6236.06

but is certainly determined in part

Time: 6238.52

by the frequency of ejaculation.

Time: 6240.54

So because there are so many variables

Time: 6243.14

impacting why one male versus another male or even

Time: 6246.38

the same male across the lifespan

Time: 6247.79

might have variations in his concentration of sperm

Time: 6250.73

within the ejaculate, let's talk for a second about frequency

Time: 6254.87

of ejaculation as it relates to the goal of fertility,

Time: 6257.325

per se, because that's really what today's episode is all

Time: 6259.7

about.

Time: 6260.28

So what I'd like to talk about next

Time: 6261.8

is how people can increase the probability

Time: 6264.38

of a successful fertilization, focusing

Time: 6266.54

both on the components from the male side

Time: 6269.39

and from the female side.

Time: 6270.62

And I'm mainly going to couch this discussion in the context

Time: 6273.47

of the so-called natural method of sexual intercourse

Time: 6276.8

and ejaculation in vivo, within the female.

Time: 6281.39

But I will also touch on some parallel themes

Time: 6283.7

as it relates to in-vitro fertilization

Time: 6285.68

and intrauterine insemination.

Time: 6288.17

So the idea here is that we want the maximum number

Time: 6292.73

of high-quality sperm-- that is, rapidly forward,

Time: 6295.67

motile sperm that are of the correct morphology--

Time: 6298.35

that is, shape.

Time: 6299.6

That's going to require a lot of mitochondria

Time: 6302.27

in the mid region, a well-shaped head--

Time: 6304.49

so it's going to be an oval-shaped head.

Time: 6306.17

The tail is going to be a single tail, not multiple tails.

Time: 6308.84

These aren't going to be the twitcher type of--

Time: 6311.36

or immotile type of sperm that are either twitching in place

Time: 6314.6

or aren't moving forward.

Time: 6315.68

All of those components are going

Time: 6317.69

to be essential for increasing the probability

Time: 6320.48

of fertilization.

Time: 6321.29

But of course, there's the female side of it,

Time: 6323.165

too, which is that ovulation occurs

Time: 6325.1

on just one day during the menstrual ovulatory cycle.

Time: 6328.76

And that egg will be available for fertilization

Time: 6331.49

for approximately 24 hours.

Time: 6333.5

Now, keep in mind that the sperm can survive

Time: 6335.93

within the vaginal duct and within the area

Time: 6338.81

around the cervix and within the uterus

Time: 6340.76

and along the female reproductive tract for anywhere

Time: 6344.06

from three to five or it's even been

Time: 6346.13

described as up to seven days.

Time: 6347.85

But generally, it's going to be about three to five days.

Time: 6350.42

Now, most women can figure out the day of their ovulation

Time: 6354.2

by counting the total number of days of their typical cycle.

Time: 6357.2

And this is where it's really useful

Time: 6358.7

to have a cycle that's of more or less regular duration

Time: 6362.33

or, rather, of more or less regular length.

Time: 6365.54

So as we talked about earlier, if somebody's cycle

Time: 6368.54

is 21 days or 25 days and it's 21 or 25 days consistently

Time: 6372.47

or even 30 days consistently, that's

Time: 6374.72

going to be a far better scenario to favor fertilization

Time: 6377.6

than if it's 20 days one month and then 21

Time: 6380.87

days the next month, but then suddenly 30 days and then

Time: 6383.87

suddenly 35 days.

Time: 6385.01

Those varying durations of the ovulatory cycle

Time: 6388.16

make it very hard, obviously, to time

Time: 6390.47

and understand when ovulation is going to occur.

Time: 6392.76

So regular duration ovulatory cycles

Time: 6396.74

are the ideal circumstance, and they're the ideal circumstance,

Time: 6399.77

because even though the egg is only

Time: 6401.24

available for fertilization for a few days,

Time: 6403.032

those sperm can survive for some period of time, which

Time: 6406.16

leads to the issue of how often should couples

Time: 6409.7

be having intercourse.

Time: 6411.08

And here, I'm referring specifically

Time: 6413.09

to intercourse with ejaculation.

Time: 6414.53

How often should couples be having intercourse

Time: 6416.66

around the time of ovulation if the specific goal is

Time: 6420.95

successful fertilization of the egg and the creation of a baby?

Time: 6425.09

This is leaving aside all issues, which, of course, are

Time: 6428.72

interesting issues, related to how often people are having

Time: 6431.69

intercourse, whether or not there's ejaculation

Time: 6433.97

every time they have intercourse or not, for sake of pleasure

Time: 6436.67

or for sake of pair bonding and pleasure

Time: 6439.49

or for sake of any number of other potential goals

Time: 6442.1

of intercourse.

Time: 6442.91

Here I'm only referring to intercourse

Time: 6444.92

as it relates to the goal of fertilization of the egg.

Time: 6449.36

So knowing what we know about spermatogenesis and the fact

Time: 6455.39

that ejaculate is going to contain a certain concentration

Time: 6459.05

of sperm but that within that ejaculate some of the sperm

Time: 6462.83

will be older and less healthy and some will be optimally

Time: 6466.63

mature and some might even be a little bit

Time: 6468.38

immature-- although there's a tendency for the immature sperm

Time: 6470.922

to not have yet exited the seminiferous tubules, gone

Time: 6475.16

into the epididymis and vas deferens.

Time: 6476.87

But given that the ejaculate contains

Time: 6478.58

sperm of varying ages and therefore varying quality

Time: 6482.27

and given that with each successive ejaculation

Time: 6485.18

in a short period of time there's

Time: 6487.46

going to be a decrease in the concentration of sperm

Time: 6490.43

per milliliter of semen, of ejaculate,

Time: 6493.94

we can make some good arguments as

Time: 6496.31

to how often couples should have intercourse

Time: 6499.28

with ejaculation around the time of ovulation

Time: 6501.92

if the goal is to fertilize.

Time: 6503.3

If ovulation occurs on, for instance,

Time: 6505.07

day 14 of a cycle-- and here we're

Time: 6506.69

using the kind of standard average

Time: 6508.28

of 28 days of the cycle.

Time: 6510

But for some people with a 30-day cycle,

Time: 6512.73

it could be day 15, or with a shorter cycle,

Time: 6516.21

it could be day 12, for instance.

Time: 6517.92

But given a 28-day average cycle,

Time: 6520.26

let's say ovulation occurs on day 13 or on day 14.

Time: 6524.28

And typically, it would occur on day 14 of a 28-day cycle.

Time: 6528.21

Well, then, given how long sperm can survive inside

Time: 6532.35

of the woman, you might think that the optimal strategy would

Time: 6535.02

be to have as much intercourse with ejaculation in the three

Time: 6538.92

or four days leading up to ovulation, hope

Time: 6541.89

that those sperm have swam as far as they possibly

Time: 6544.29

can and will encounter the egg just as soon as possible

Time: 6546.96

after it ovulates.

Time: 6548.37

It turns out that's not the optimal strategy.

Time: 6550.32

The optimal strategy is really to maximize the concentration

Time: 6553.83

of healthy sperm within each ejaculate

Time: 6556.62

and to really center that around the day of ovulation.

Time: 6559.98

So what this involves generally and what

Time: 6562.56

the typical recommendation is is to abstain from intercourse

Time: 6567.06

with ejaculation about two or three

Time: 6569.7

days out from ovulation and then, on the day

Time: 6573.36

prior to ovulation and on the day of ovulation,

Time: 6577.32

to essentially introduce as much semen

Time: 6580.95

and ejaculate into the reproductive pathway

Time: 6583.23

of the female as possible.

Time: 6585.97

Now, that's the general recommendation

Time: 6587.73

that the OB/GYNs and the urologists that I spoke to

Time: 6590.79

gave.

Time: 6591.63

But you will also hear a different strategy.

Time: 6594.12

It's only slightly different.

Time: 6595.44

But the different strategy involves

Time: 6597.6

trying to maximize the concentration of healthy sperm

Time: 6600.857

within each ejaculate with the understanding that,

Time: 6602.94

with each subsequent ejaculation over about a 24-hour period,

Time: 6606.9

that there's going to be a dramatic reduction

Time: 6609.25

in the concentration of sperm.

Time: 6610.5

What that means is that if a couple, for instance,

Time: 6612.63

were to have intercourse with ejaculation many times

Time: 6615.75

on the day prior to ovulation, yes,

Time: 6617.55

that will introduce a lot of sperm

Time: 6619.83

into the reproductive pathway of the female, but what it means

Time: 6623.97

is that, on the day of ovulation if they were

Time: 6625.86

to have intercourse, the number of high quality sperm

Time: 6629.13

that will be available to the egg will be greatly diminished.

Time: 6632.73

And if none of the sperm that were introduced

Time: 6635.28

in the day prior managed to fertilize that egg,

Time: 6638.4

well, then essentially chances are off

Time: 6640.74

that there will be fertilization or they're greatly diminished.

Time: 6643.62

Rather, if they're having intercourse with ejaculation

Time: 6647.55

once or twice on the day prior to ovulation

Time: 6650.29

and then a maximal number of times with ejaculation

Time: 6653.91

on the day of ovulation, that itself

Time: 6656.31

can maximize the probability of fertilization.

Time: 6658.72

So which strategy is optimal?

Time: 6660.09

Should couples have as much intercourse

Time: 6661.83

with ejaculation on the day prior to ovulation

Time: 6664.66

and on the day of ovulation?

Time: 6666.36

Or should they have intercourse on the day prior to ovulation

Time: 6670.53

but not so frequently that it diminishes the concentration

Time: 6673.86

of sperm and then allows for intercourse

Time: 6677.34

with the maximum number of ejaculations

Time: 6680.01

on the day of ovulation?

Time: 6681.57

You really hear it both ways.

Time: 6683.04

And what this really boils down to is,

Time: 6684.72

frankly, that nobody knows.

Time: 6686.4

And the reason nobody knows is that there's

Time: 6688.35

tremendous variation among males in terms

Time: 6690.18

of the absolute concentration of sperm per milliliter

Time: 6693.93

of ejaculate and the amount of sperm per milliliter

Time: 6699.51

of ejaculate within a given time frame.

Time: 6701.92

But what everyone agrees on is that a period of abstinence

Time: 6705.84

ranging from 48 to 72 hours prior to an ejaculation

Time: 6709.86

increases the concentration of high-quality sperm

Time: 6712.83

within that first ejaculation to occur after the abstinence

Time: 6716.46

period.

Time: 6717.91

So again, to reiterate, if one's goal is to fertilize the egg,

Time: 6720.852

you want to take into consideration

Time: 6722.31

that most often there is going to be

Time: 6725.61

a dramatic decline in the concentration of sperm

Time: 6728.79

per ejaculate any time those ejaculations are occurring

Time: 6732.162

within a short period of time, say,

Time: 6733.62

within 12 to 24 hours of one another.

Time: 6736.36

Now, all of this, of course, also

Time: 6738.39

relates to the female biology and the extent

Time: 6741.87

to which the woman can precisely identify the day

Time: 6745.29

and timing of her ovulation.

Time: 6746.85

Some women feel as if and indeed are very accurate

Time: 6750.93

at estimating their time of ovulation

Time: 6753.54

to within a couple of hours or some women even

Time: 6756.15

report being able to feel their actual ovulation,

Time: 6759.225

whether or not they are feeling the ovulation

Time: 6761.1

itself, the deployment of the egg or not, isn't clear.

Time: 6763.947

I certainly wouldn't know.

Time: 6765.03

I've never produced eggs, nor have I ovulated,

Time: 6767.782

and I'm certainly not going to contest the idea

Time: 6769.74

that women can do that.

Time: 6772.405

I mean, it makes sense that some people

Time: 6774.03

have a very keen so-called interoceptive

Time: 6777.54

awareness, an awareness of the sensory events

Time: 6779.7

within their body.

Time: 6781.2

And while, of course, the ovaries are not

Time: 6783.72

thought of as an organ that we want

Time: 6785.43

to be able to sense what's going on in there in terms of feel,

Time: 6788.49

there are sensory endings within the ovary.

Time: 6790.59

And so the notion that one could literally sense changes

Time: 6794.497

within their ovary, including the deployment of the egg,

Time: 6796.83

is not outside the bounds of reason and, in fact,

Time: 6800.64

could likely be the case.

Time: 6801.9

Now, that said, there are a number of different ways

Time: 6805.027

that women will track their ovulation.

Time: 6806.61

One is the temperature method.

Time: 6808.15

So they'll actually measure intravaginal temperature.

Time: 6810.66

They're looking for changes in temperature

Time: 6812.41

that are consistent around the time of ovulation.

Time: 6815.11

We're going to have an expert guest on, an OB/GYN, who

Time: 6818.02

can tell us a lot more about the details and nuances

Time: 6820.927

of the temperature method.

Time: 6822.01

You'll see a lot of information about this online,

Time: 6823.88

but there's a lot of misunderstanding about it,

Time: 6825.838

as well.

Time: 6826.57

Other women will use apps that take into account

Time: 6829.3

either the temperature information

Time: 6830.89

if they're acquiring temperature information--

Time: 6833.565

that'll be entered into the app--

Time: 6834.94

as well as marking the onset of menstruation,

Time: 6838.9

the onset of bleeding, therefore,

Time: 6840.37

the start of the ovulatory cycle,

Time: 6841.87

because, of course, as we mentioned earlier,

Time: 6843.13

that marks day one of their cycle.

Time: 6844.9

And then, again and again, you can

Time: 6846.55

see how regularity of cycle duration

Time: 6848.95

or relative regularity of cycle duration

Time: 6851.68

really favors this whole process of being able to predict

Time: 6854.08

when one ovulates.

Time: 6856.15

And fortunately, if the goal is fertilization,

Time: 6860.32

there are some margins for error that are introduced by the fact

Time: 6864.19

that the sperm can survive within the female reproductive

Time: 6867.43

tract for some period of days, thereby reducing

Time: 6871.3

the need for absolute certainty about the time of ovulation

Time: 6875.17

and so on.

Time: 6876.05

In fact, it's pretty well known that around the time

Time: 6878.77

of ovulation a couple of things happen.

Time: 6880.712

Earlier, we talked about one thing,

Time: 6882.17

which is there's an increase in libido just prior to ovulation.

Time: 6884.92

This relates to, in part, an increase

Time: 6887.83

in some of the androgens, things like DHEA,

Time: 6891.25

but also testosterone and some related androgens

Time: 6894.73

that can increase libido both in males and females and changes

Time: 6900.94

to the reproductive pathway, the female in particular,

Time: 6904.21

a change in the pH-- that is, the relative acidity

Time: 6907.48

versus basic nature of the mucosal lining near the cervix

Time: 6912.25

and also vaginal secretions, such that,

Time: 6914.74

around the time of ovulation, the entire milieu of the vagina

Time: 6919.75

and the cervix and the locations in which fertilization can

Time: 6923.32

occur and certainly in which the sperm are swimming

Time: 6925.78

towards the opportunity for fertilization

Time: 6927.79

is shifted to support sperm motility and health.

Time: 6931.16

In other words, one of the best environments for sperm

Time: 6933.43

to survive is going to be within the female reproductive pathway

Time: 6937.51

itself.

Time: 6938.2

And as long as we're talking about vaginal secretions

Time: 6940.69

and mucus, it's important to point out

Time: 6943.09

that a number of commercially available lubricants

Time: 6945.97

can actually be detrimental for sperm health,

Time: 6948.56

even if they don't contain spermicide.

Time: 6950.908

So this is something that you'll want

Time: 6952.45

to discuss with your OB/GYN or, certainly if you're male,

Time: 6956.89

you could also discuss this with your urologist

Time: 6958.96

and your partner's OB/GYN.

Time: 6961.72

A lot of the commercially available lubricants

Time: 6964.15

contain chemicals that, while they may favorably

Time: 6967.42

change the consistency or the viscosity

Time: 6970.24

of the vaginal pathway for purposes of intercourse,

Time: 6973.84

certainly may not be the most favorable for maintaining

Time: 6977.83

the health of the sperm and the motility of the sperm.

Time: 6980.08

So again, here we're talking about intercourse only

Time: 6983.62

in the context of trying to maximize fertilization.

Time: 6986.29

And I should mention that there are

Time: 6988.42

certain lubricants that are more conducive to the sperm

Time: 6990.82

environment.

Time: 6991.54

But it's something that you'll really

Time: 6993.082

want to talk to your OB/GYN about

Time: 6994.81

or at least read up about if your interest is

Time: 6997.54

in trying to fertilize and develop an embryo.

Time: 7000.1

So we covered the optimal strategies

Time: 7001.8

for how often couples should have intercourse

Time: 7004.8

with ejaculation around the time of ovulation

Time: 7008.1

in order to maximize the probability

Time: 7010.41

that successful fertilization and ultimately pregnancy will

Time: 7013.44

occur.

Time: 7014.46

What we haven't covered yet, however,

Time: 7016.44

is how long couples should apply that method over time in order

Time: 7021.81

to achieve successful fertilization in pregnancy.

Time: 7024.33

Now, of course, if a couple decides

Time: 7026.07

that they want to conceive and they

Time: 7027.63

apply that method or any other method, for instance,

Time: 7030.93

and they achieve fertilization and a successful pregnancy

Time: 7034.87

the very first month that they try,

Time: 7036.63

well, then there's no other work to do,

Time: 7038.52

at least until that child is born and if

Time: 7040.747

and only if they decide they want to have more children.

Time: 7043.08

However, many couples find that they do not

Time: 7046.74

conceive in the first month of trying,

Time: 7048.96

even when they apply the optimal methods

Time: 7050.97

and even if their age and every other factor related to egg

Time: 7054.3

quality and sperm quality is optimized.

Time: 7056.67

Now, I think it's the rare instance

Time: 7058.68

in which egg quality and sperm quality are optimized.

Time: 7061.98

In fact, the word "optimal" and "optimization" and "optimized"

Time: 7064.878

is a little bit misleading in general

Time: 7066.42

because no one really knows what that is.

Time: 7068.25

But of course, there is an ideal.

Time: 7069.93

There's a perfect standard to which

Time: 7072.09

everyone would like to achieve.

Time: 7073.56

But of course, we all enter the picture with genetic variables,

Time: 7076.98

environmental variables, and so forth, many of which

Time: 7080.07

we'll talk about because you can, in fact, adjust them

Time: 7082.328

in the direction that you would like to improve sperm and egg

Time: 7084.87

quality.

Time: 7085.68

But most people simply will not succeed

Time: 7089.64

in achieving a successful fertilization the first month

Time: 7093.48

that they try.

Time: 7094.38

Now, there is a truth that governs

Time: 7096.99

how many tries it ought to take in order

Time: 7100.17

to achieve successful fertilization and ultimately

Time: 7103.11

pregnancy.

Time: 7103.74

And it's very age dependent.

Time: 7105.33

And in particular, it's dependent on the age

Time: 7107.55

of the mother, because the age and quality of the egg,

Time: 7110.49

while it's not the only factor, is certainly

Time: 7113.99

one of the most determining factors in whether or not

Time: 7116.45

successful fertilization occurs.

Time: 7118.28

And as women age, the quality of the eggs

Time: 7120.8

tends to diminish over time, largely

Time: 7122.9

due to changes in the mitochondrial function

Time: 7124.97

and the spindle that pulls the chromosomes apart,

Time: 7127.52

although there could be other factors involved as well.

Time: 7130.26

Now, before continuing any further,

Time: 7131.88

I just want to acknowledge that this whole language around egg

Time: 7134.69

quality and sperm quality is not the greatest

Time: 7137.6

language because it's entirely subjective.

Time: 7140.3

And yet the word "quality" in these instances

Time: 7143.51

is really there to explain a broad variety

Time: 7146.32

of factors that can, in fact, be measured,

Time: 7148.07

things like the number of follicles that are deployed

Time: 7150.65

each month in a woman's ovulation or the number

Time: 7153.8

of motile sperm or the number of morphologically-- that

Time: 7157.04

is, correctly shaped sperm in the male and so forth.

Time: 7159.355

So when we talk about egg quality or sperm quality,

Time: 7161.48

we're really referring to an amalgam of different features

Time: 7165.56

related to the different aspects of ovulation

Time: 7169.01

leading to successful fertilization

Time: 7170.72

or the different aspects of sperm related to whether or not

Time: 7174.02

they can arrive and deliver their DNA contents

Time: 7176.06

and so forth.

Time: 7176.76

So I will use the words "egg quality" and "sperm quality"

Time: 7179.27

just as general themes because that's what

Time: 7181.04

a lot of the clinicians use.

Time: 7182.72

But I do understand that it's a little bit of a loaded term

Time: 7185.18

in both instances, and it doesn't relate to any one

Time: 7188.09

specific parameter, per se.

Time: 7190.52

So getting back to this issue of how long couples

Time: 7192.77

should try according to the age of the female

Time: 7195.41

and perhaps also the age of the male.

Time: 7197.36

Well, most of the data that have been collected

Time: 7199.85

relate to the age of the female, as I mentioned before.

Time: 7202.44

And what we're about to discuss is,

Time: 7204.655

within the scientific literature,

Time: 7206.03

described as what's called fecundability,

Time: 7208.52

which is the amount of time over which a given couple needs

Time: 7212.81

to attempt to conceive-- of course,

Time: 7214.71

by having intercourse with ejaculation--

Time: 7216.83

around the time of ovulation.

Time: 7218.78

It assumes that all the other things

Time: 7220.28

are being done correctly.

Time: 7222.35

And what we know is that there's a strong age-dependent effect

Time: 7225.65

that largely rests on the age of the egg-- that is,

Time: 7228.86

of the female.

Time: 7229.82

And what we know is that for females 30 years old

Time: 7234.56

or younger, if they have intercourse with ejaculation

Time: 7238.565

around the time of ovulation, say, on the day

Time: 7240.44

before and on the day of ovulation--

Time: 7243.14

and there could be other intercourse with ejaculation

Time: 7245.72

around that time as well--

Time: 7247.73

on average, that will result in a successful fertilization

Time: 7251.78

in pregnancy about 20% of the time

Time: 7254.84

on the first month of attempting,

Time: 7256.73

the first ovulation cycle.

Time: 7258.71

Now, if fertilization and pregnancy occurs, great.

Time: 7261.788

There'll be at least a nine-month lag

Time: 7263.33

until they decide whether or not they

Time: 7264.95

want to try and conceive again.

Time: 7266.51

However, most couples, even if the woman is 30 years

Time: 7270.35

old or younger, will not successfully

Time: 7272.51

conceive on that first attempt.

Time: 7275

And that's because the probability is not 100%.

Time: 7277.55

It's 20%.

Time: 7278.42

So 80% of the time, they simply will not

Time: 7280.82

conceive, which means that they hopefully will try again

Time: 7284.81

the very next month.

Time: 7286.02

And if they successfully conceive, great.

Time: 7288.253

And if they don't, then they ought

Time: 7289.67

to try again the next month, the next month, and so forth.

Time: 7292.11

Now, the typical advice that an OB/GYN would give you

Time: 7295.52

is that, for a woman 30 years or younger--

Time: 7299.12

and leaving aside the age of the father

Time: 7302.81

but still assuming that egg quality and sperm quality

Time: 7306.95

are sufficiently high to achieve fertilization--

Time: 7309.68

that the couple should--

Time: 7312.485

or if the woman is trying to have kids alone,

Time: 7314.36

the woman should attempt to conceive over

Time: 7316.82

the period of six months.

Time: 7318.59

Why?

Time: 7319.22

Well, if you think about it, if there's

Time: 7320.845

a 20% chance in the first month and it's unsuccessful, well,

Time: 7324.44

then on the second month, there'll also be a 20% chance.

Time: 7327.08

On the third month, also a 20% chance.

Time: 7329

What I'm describing here is what obviously

Time: 7332

is independent probabilities.

Time: 7334.43

That is, if you were to flip a coin

Time: 7336.29

and the probability of getting heads is 50%,

Time: 7338.46

the probability of getting tails is 50%, of course.

Time: 7341.48

You don't expect that the previous flip had anything

Time: 7344.245

to do with the result that you'll

Time: 7345.62

get on the subsequent flip.

Time: 7346.67

That's what independent probabilities are.

Time: 7348.42

However, when it comes to fecundability,

Time: 7351.86

we're really talking about something

Time: 7353.36

which is called cumulative pregnancy rate, which

Time: 7356.12

is not really independent probabilities.

Time: 7358.25

Now, why would that be?

Time: 7359.31

Why would it be that if you did not successfully

Time: 7361.31

conceive in the first month of trying that,

Time: 7363.8

by simply trying again and again and again, the probability

Time: 7366.53

of conceiving would increase?

Time: 7368.13

Well, the reason for that is that this whole business

Time: 7370.43

of fertilization is not just about what's

Time: 7372.172

happening with the egg.

Time: 7373.13

It's also about what's happening with the sperm.

Time: 7375.2

So there are a number of different events related

Time: 7377.84

to the biology of the egg and the biology of the sperm, which

Time: 7380.423

you are now very familiar with from everything

Time: 7382.34

I've talked about up until now.

Time: 7383.81

And there a bunch of chance events,

Time: 7386.248

for instance, that the sperm won't actually

Time: 7388.04

arrive at the egg in time or that the egg won't arrive

Time: 7391.012

at the sperm in time, because, of course,

Time: 7392.72

it's a bidirectional migration of those two cell

Time: 7394.72

types, or that, for whatever reason,

Time: 7396.74

fertilization won't occur.

Time: 7397.935

So what we're really talking about when

Time: 7399.56

we talk about the cumulative pregnancy rate over time

Time: 7402.83

is the fact that there are multiple probabilities at work.

Time: 7405.86

And yes, those are somewhat independent in the sense

Time: 7408.62

that the biology of the sperm doesn't really strictly

Time: 7411.08

depend on the biology of the egg,

Time: 7412.52

at least not until they meet and fertilize.

Time: 7414.41

But the likelihood of pregnancy depends

Time: 7418.28

on those independent probabilities,

Time: 7419.94

which makes this a cumulative pregnancy rate.

Time: 7422.635

Now, if any of that is confusing, what it basically

Time: 7424.76

means is that for the egg and the sperm

Time: 7426.71

to meet and to fertilize, a number of different events

Time: 7429.14

that carry some intentionality--

Time: 7432.015

the sperm swims towards the egg and so forth.

Time: 7433.89

The egg doesn't have a personality in there,

Time: 7436.82

at least not yet.

Time: 7437.69

But it, quote, unquote, "wants" to be fertilize.

Time: 7440.27

It is, in principle, receptive to fertilization.

Time: 7443.42

Well, in order for that to happen,

Time: 7445.975

there are going to be some events related to chance

Time: 7448.1

that could limit the ability for that to happen,

Time: 7450.188

and there'll be other events dictated

Time: 7451.73

by the biology of those two cell types that

Time: 7453.59

are driving that event to happen,

Time: 7455.81

that are biasing the event to, yes, happen.

Time: 7457.7

And so what we're talking about when

Time: 7459.2

we talk about cumulative pregnancy rate

Time: 7461

is how much of the biology of the woman

Time: 7464.18

is skewed towards fertilization to be likely to occur.

Time: 7468.03

So to make this very simple, all we need to know

Time: 7470.87

is that for women 30 years old or younger,

Time: 7473.15

because the probability of getting pregnant on any one

Time: 7477.77

attempt to conceive is 20%, well,

Time: 7482.21

then if that doesn't occur the first time,

Time: 7484.55

then she should simply repeat that at least five

Time: 7486.92

and probably six times before deciding to go to an OB/GYN

Time: 7490.58

and conclude that there's something going on either

Time: 7492.86

with the egg or, of course, it could be with the sperm

Time: 7495.29

because 20 times 5 is 100.

Time: 7496.873

So we're talking about cumulative percent--

Time: 7498.665

so 20, 40, 60, 80, 100.

Time: 7501.47

And the six month there would take you

Time: 7503.75

to 120%, which is a different thing altogether.

Time: 7507.63

But in general, that's why OB/GYNs

Time: 7509.547

will tell their female patients, look,

Time: 7511.13

if you're setting out to conceive,

Time: 7512.63

try for about five or six months,

Time: 7514.56

and if you're not successful, come back and see me.

Time: 7517.1

Now, for women who are age 31 to 33,

Time: 7521.33

the probability of conceiving in that first month

Time: 7523.49

drops to about 18%.

Time: 7525.27

So women in that age range and their partners

Time: 7527.51

should certainly try and conceive naturally

Time: 7529.79

over a period of six or seven months in order

Time: 7532.49

to get to that 100% cumulative probability.

Time: 7534.74

And then for women who are age 34 to 37,

Time: 7537.92

the probability of conceiving in that first month

Time: 7540.5

of trying and certainly every month thereafter is about 11%.

Time: 7545.238

So when the age of the woman starts extending out

Time: 7547.28

to about 34 or 35 years old, then the typical advice

Time: 7550.76

of the OB/GYN is going to be to attempt to conceive over

Time: 7554.06

a period of about nine months to a year

Time: 7556.55

before deciding to take some sort of medical intervention.

Time: 7560.75

And then, of course, as the age of the woman increases,

Time: 7563.66

so too does the quality of the eggs go down.

Time: 7566.51

Now, that's not true for every woman.

Time: 7568.07

There are many women who, in their late 30s and 40s and even

Time: 7570.86

early 50s, have successfully conceived healthy children,

Time: 7574.37

although the probability of that-- the likelihood of it

Time: 7577.25

drops substantially.

Time: 7578.73

So for instance, for women who are age 38 to 39,

Time: 7581.93

the probability of a successful conception

Time: 7584.42

by natural conception-- intercourse with ejaculation--

Time: 7587.66

is going to be about 5%.

Time: 7590.06

So it's really dropped to a quarter of what

Time: 7592.52

it was when that woman was 30.

Time: 7595.31

Again, these are averages only.

Time: 7596.99

What does that mean?

Time: 7597.87

Well, it means that if you are age 38 or older,

Time: 7601.01

chances are that you should probably go to your OB/GYN

Time: 7604.67

right at the outset of your desire

Time: 7606.29

to conceive and ask what you can do to improve egg quality.

Time: 7609.11

Otherwise, if you were to extend the math out,

Time: 7611.68

we know that if you're age 30 or younger, 20% chance

Time: 7614.67

in any one given month.

Time: 7615.91

That means about four to six months of trying.

Time: 7617.97

Well, you can simply multiply that times four or five

Time: 7622.02

for someone in their late 30s or early 40s.

Time: 7624.685

And so what you're really talking about

Time: 7626.31

is several years of trying.

Time: 7627.57

And of course, what's happening during those several years?

Time: 7629.61

The woman is getting older.

Time: 7630.99

And as a consequence, the quality of the eggs

Time: 7632.94

is declining even further.

Time: 7634.9

So if you are 35, 36 years old, it might not

Time: 7639.45

be entirely unreasonable to talk to your OB/GYN right

Time: 7642.03

at the outset of desiring to conceive,

Time: 7644.132

but you could also just take the approach

Time: 7645.84

of trying to conceive naturally for about a year or a year

Time: 7648.3

and a half before deciding to do that, keeping in mind

Time: 7651.33

that all the while you can't stop time.

Time: 7653.31

So biological time and aging is going to occur in the backdrop.

Time: 7656.79

But hopefully this description of cumulative pregnancy rate

Time: 7660.45

makes sense.

Time: 7661.2

Again, the idea is that while it's true

Time: 7663.87

that every single month there's an independent chance

Time: 7667.08

of the woman getting pregnant and that chance is dropping

Time: 7671.37

from abut 20% at age 30 over time to about, really, 1% to 3%

Time: 7676.08

for women 40 or older, there's also

Time: 7678.33

this notion of cumulative probability, which

Time: 7680.73

involves multiple biological events in both

Time: 7683.13

the egg and the sperm that have to converge in time and space

Time: 7686.4

in order for successful fertilization to occur.

Time: 7688.92

As long as we're on this topic, I

Time: 7690.35

think it's only fair to address the issue of miscarriage.

Time: 7693.6

And miscarriages can arise from a variety of sources.

Time: 7696.36

They can arise from genetic defects.

Time: 7698.46

They can arise from issues in the milieu view of the uterus.

Time: 7701.64

They can arise from issues with the sperm, for that matter.

Time: 7704.67

We really don't want to put all the weight and all

Time: 7707.16

the responsibility on the egg.

Time: 7709.36

This is always an egg/sperm dynamic.

Time: 7711.33

And when I say egg/sperm dynamic, now

Time: 7713.19

hopefully that calls to mind the huge library of information

Time: 7715.89

that we've been covering up until now

Time: 7717.432

about chromosomal segregation and the coming together

Time: 7719.97

of these different cell types and their genetic information.

Time: 7722.67

Any number of different steps within the process

Time: 7725.22

of fertilization leading up to pregnancy

Time: 7727.32

can lead to miscarriage.

Time: 7729.33

However, the probability of miscarriage

Time: 7732.66

greatly increases as a function of the age of the egg.

Time: 7737.4

And the basic numbers on thisare are

Time: 7740.25

that for women who are 35 years or older, about 25%

Time: 7745.92

of successful fertilizations lead to miscarriages.

Time: 7749.22

Now, when those miscarriages occur during pregnancy

Time: 7752.04

can be highly variable.

Time: 7753.3

Sometimes it's within the first trimester.

Time: 7755.19

Sometimes it could be later.

Time: 7757.36

But the probability is about 25%.

Time: 7760.32

That probability increases greatly over time,

Time: 7764.2

such that by the time women are in their early 40s--

Time: 7767.22

so 40 or older--

Time: 7768.43

the probability of miscarriage after

Time: 7770.19

a successful fertilization is going to be about 50%.

Time: 7773.52

And this could be due to a number of factors,

Time: 7775.8

as I mentioned before.

Time: 7776.79

But one common reason is that there can

Time: 7779.7

be chromosomal abnormalities.

Time: 7781.32

And that could be related typically

Time: 7783.45

to the segregation of the egg when

Time: 7786.72

half of the chromosomes in that egg

Time: 7788.22

are removed, taking it from diploid to haploid.

Time: 7790.62

If you recall, there's that little polar body,

Time: 7793.21

which is the removal of the chromosomes that's

Time: 7796.29

ejected from the egg that will eventually ovulate.

Time: 7798.48

And sometimes not all the chromosomes

Time: 7800.46

that were supposed to be ejected in that polar body are ejected.

Time: 7804.54

And as a consequence, there are multiple chromosomes

Time: 7806.79

or duplications of chromosomes, things like trisomies.

Time: 7809.37

Sometimes too many chromosomes move away

Time: 7811.422

and there are actually removal of entire chromosomes,

Time: 7813.63

meaning both strands, so that you have chromosomal deletions.

Time: 7816.6

And in that case, typically fertilization won't occur.

Time: 7819.473

But there are instances in which fertilization will occur.

Time: 7821.89

So a woman will get a positive pregnancy test.

Time: 7823.89

Her periods will stop.

Time: 7825.39

And the couple will think that they're

Time: 7827.43

advancing along the steps to a successful pregnancy,

Time: 7831.19

and then there will be, sadly, a miscarriage.

Time: 7833.67

Many, many times those miscarriages

Time: 7835.95

are the consequence of the fact that,

Time: 7837.99

when there are extra chromosomes there or there

Time: 7840.93

are too few chromosomes present, that embryogenesis can simply

Time: 7846.12

not progress in a healthy way.

Time: 7848.43

There are some instances in which

Time: 7850.62

all of the chromosomes and all the chromosomal arrangements

Time: 7853.14

are perfectly normal and miscarriages can still occur.

Time: 7857.08

I'm going to do a future episode about pregnancy

Time: 7860.1

and embryonic development where we

Time: 7861.69

will get into this more deeply.

Time: 7863.14

But just understand that the frequency of miscarriages

Time: 7866.37

increases dramatically after about age 34

Time: 7870.06

and then continues to increase dramatically,

Time: 7872.82

extending well out until the 40s.

Time: 7875.01

Now, a very important consideration

Time: 7876.96

in terms of understanding and predicting

Time: 7878.94

fertility and fecundability, this word that describes

Time: 7882.33

the probability of getting pregnant on a given try

Time: 7884.85

and over time, is trying to address how,

Time: 7889.41

quote, unquote, "fertile" a woman is

Time: 7891.99

and, importantly, how, quote, unquote, "fertile" a male is.

Time: 7896.04

And we'll talk about the male side in a moment.

Time: 7898.48

But when trying to address how fertile a woman is, of course,

Time: 7902.07

age is going to be one of the major factors, but just one

Time: 7905.97

factor.

Time: 7906.94

We already talked about how age determines

Time: 7908.7

the likelihood of a successful pregnancy

Time: 7911.23

if the intercourse and ejaculation is being carried

Time: 7915.33

out at the correct times and with viable sperm

Time: 7918.63

capable of fertilizing eggs.

Time: 7920.7

And then, of course, there's the issue of egg quality.

Time: 7923.1

But in general, most women would like

Time: 7925.38

to know how fertile they are as a function of their age.

Time: 7930.09

And I actually think this is one of the most important topics

Time: 7933.03

in this whole space around fertility

Time: 7934.8

that isn't often discussed or at least isn't often discussed

Time: 7937.56

until women are in their late 30s or 40s,

Time: 7940.74

when oftentimes they will look back

Time: 7943.012

and wish that either they had frozen their eggs

Time: 7944.97

or they had frozen fertilized embryos, which is a whole thing

Time: 7948.6

unto itself.

Time: 7949.223

And we can talk about that when we

Time: 7950.64

have an episode on in-vitro fertilization in more depth.

Time: 7954

But there is a fairly straightforward way

Time: 7957.24

or set of ways that women can determine

Time: 7959.88

their basic level of fertility.

Time: 7962.67

Leaving aside a lot of the detailed issues

Time: 7964.8

about the quality of eggs and so forth, one thing

Time: 7967.56

that you already learned is that there's this vault,

Time: 7969.78

there's this reserve that we call the ovarian reserve,

Time: 7972.42

and that each month a certain number of follicles

Time: 7975.57

leave that reserve, and there's the opportunity, based

Time: 7979.8

on the ovulation of a single egg, to fertilize that egg

Time: 7983.7

and for the woman to get pregnant.

Time: 7985.29

Now, one thing that we know for sure

Time: 7986.91

is that the size of the population that's

Time: 7990.45

released from that vault each month

Time: 7993.33

has a very strong positive correlation

Time: 7996.36

with the size of the reserve in the vault itself.

Time: 7999.85

So the way to think about this, perhaps,

Time: 8002.48

is that the vault is like a bank account.

Time: 8004.58

It has a certain amount of money--

Time: 8006.9

in this case, eggs-- in it.

Time: 8008.3

And you could imagine, if someone's reasonably logical,

Time: 8012.05

that if they have more money in their bank account, then

Time: 8014.42

they're going to withdraw a larger amount

Time: 8016.718

each month than if they have a small amount each month,

Time: 8019.01

if the idea is to make that vault, that bank,

Time: 8022.37

of eggs available to them over the longest period of time.

Time: 8026.87

And indeed, biology is pretty smart.

Time: 8028.86

It doesn't deploy or release half the follicles in one month

Time: 8033.35

and then just slowly trickle out the remainder of follicles.

Time: 8035.903

No, that's not how it works.

Time: 8037.07

What you find is that, of course, in younger women--

Time: 8039.86

so, say, in their late teens, 20s, and 30s--

Time: 8043.91

the ovarian reserve in the vault is

Time: 8045.89

going to have more eggs in it, and the number

Time: 8048.56

of follicles and eggs that leave that vault each month

Time: 8051.26

is going to be quite high.

Time: 8052.65

So one way to evaluate how, quote, unquote,

Time: 8056.21

"fertile" you are--

Time: 8057.71

again, just one way-- is to go to your OB/GYN

Time: 8060.89

and say that you would like to know how many follicles

Time: 8063.32

you have in a given month.

Time: 8064.507

And of course, they'll look at them on both sides,

Time: 8066.59

in both ovaries.

Time: 8068.03

And for instance, if a woman has just two or three follicles

Time: 8072.95

that are out each month, well, then the assumption-- again,

Time: 8076.323

it's just an assumption-- but the assumption that's pretty

Time: 8078.74

good-- because there is this positive correlation that

Time: 8081.5

generally occurs--

Time: 8082.4

is that that ovarian reserve--

Time: 8084.95

that the number of eggs in the vault

Time: 8086.81

is fairly low compared to someone

Time: 8089.09

who, say, has 20 follicles or 30 follicles each month.

Time: 8093.2

And that's the typical trend.

Time: 8094.49

Again, these are averages.

Time: 8095.7

And it's very important to not get attached to any one number

Time: 8098.33

here.

Time: 8098.83

Again, these are averages.

Time: 8100.17

So for instance, there are women who only deploy five follicles

Time: 8105.23

and eggs each month out of their ovarian vault

Time: 8107.81

but who find themselves to be very fertile.

Time: 8109.8

And there could be a number of different factors

Time: 8111.8

to explain that.

Time: 8112.49

Other women will have 20 or 30 eggs

Time: 8115.13

and follicles that leave that vault, the ovarian reserve,

Time: 8117.71

each month.

Time: 8118.263

And they will have a harder time getting

Time: 8119.93

pregnant for any number of different reasons.

Time: 8121.805

But in general, the more eggs and follicles

Time: 8123.98

that leave the vault each month, the higher number

Time: 8127.28

of eggs that are still in reserve, meaning the greater

Time: 8129.95

amount of time over which a given woman could still

Time: 8132.65

attempt to have successful fertilizations.

Time: 8135.9

Now, this small collection of follicles and eggs

Time: 8139.138

that are released each month actually has a name.

Time: 8141.18

They're called antral follicles.

Time: 8142.4

These are small follicles.

Time: 8143.483

They tend to be about 2 to 9 millimeters across.

Time: 8145.73

The way these are analyzed or measured

Time: 8147.74

is woman will go into the OB/GYN office, and by ultrasound--

Time: 8152.03

typically there's some local anesthesia,

Time: 8153.71

but it's not often a general anesthesia,

Time: 8155.9

but by local anesthesia or sometimes no anesthesia--

Time: 8158.99

they will essentially count the number of follicles that

Time: 8162.11

are present in each side, on ovary on the left

Time: 8165.05

and the ovary on the right, and give a woman some sense of how

Time: 8168.77

many follicles she has.

Time: 8169.94

And typically this is done over a series of months

Time: 8172.28

to determine how many eggs are leaving the ovarian

Time: 8175.49

reserve each month and therefore how many eggs

Time: 8177.89

she is likely to still have in the ovarian reserve.

Time: 8181.49

now there's a noninvasive way to do this, as well.

Time: 8184.13

Although, typically, an OB/GYN will do both what I just

Time: 8187.37

described with ultrasound and measure something called AMH,

Time: 8190.67

which is anti-Müllerian hormone, which is a hormone that is

Time: 8194.209

released by that antral follicle population,

Time: 8197.12

the population of follicles and eggs that leave the ovarian

Time: 8200.48

reserve each month.

Time: 8201.35

So one is a blood draw measure of a hormone, AMH.

Time: 8204.5

The other is a structural imaging measure

Time: 8206.75

of the antral follicles directly.

Time: 8209.389

again the typical trend is for the number of antral follicles

Time: 8213.03

to decline over time.

Time: 8214.6

So one might expect, for instance,

Time: 8216.48

that a woman in her 20s or 30s might have 20, 30, maybe

Time: 8220.29

even 40 antral follicles that are

Time: 8222.478

exiting the reserve each month.

Time: 8223.77

And again, that's the total across both ovaries.

Time: 8227.1

Again, these are just averages.

Time: 8228.52

These are going to be distributions.

Time: 8229.62

There will be people with far fewer.

Time: 8230.85

There will be people with far more.

Time: 8232.308

But that over time, regardless of where a woman starts out,

Time: 8238.139

from one decade to the next half decade and decade

Time: 8241.24

and so on, that the number of antral follicles will decline

Time: 8244.469

and the amount of or the levels of AMH will also decline.

Time: 8248.77

So what does this all mean?

Time: 8250.629

What this means is that if you are

Time: 8252.36

a woman who is in her 20s or 30s or 40s, whatever your age,

Time: 8257.73

if you are interested in conceiving in the future,

Time: 8260.29

it's very likely a good idea to go to your OB/GYN

Time: 8264.6

and get either your AMH levels measured or your follicle count

Time: 8268.86

measured and to do that several times in a given period.

Time: 8272.01

And I don't mean a menstrual period.

Time: 8273.51

I mean given a period of time across several months

Time: 8275.78

to determine what is the average number of follicles, what's

Time: 8278.28

your average AMH level, thereby giving you

Time: 8282.24

some window into how many eggs you are likely to still

Time: 8285.99

have in your ovarian reserve.

Time: 8287.37

I cannot tell you how many women that I've spoken to and how

Time: 8290.1

many OB/GYNs--

Time: 8290.7

more importantly, because they speak

Time: 8292.2

to many more women about this than I ever have or ever will--

Time: 8296.01

wish that they had done this earlier.

Time: 8298.75

They think, oh, well, I'm in my 20s,

Time: 8300.33

so I'm likely to have a ton of follicles,

Time: 8302.038

or they got pregnant once before,

Time: 8303.413

and so they're not so concerned about the number of follicles

Time: 8305.955

or their AMH levels.

Time: 8307.02

But over and over again, I was told

Time: 8309.45

in researching for this episode that the earlier

Time: 8312.27

and more frequent that women do this procedure of measuring

Time: 8315.51

AMH and measuring their follicle count,

Time: 8318.45

the higher the probability that they will eventually

Time: 8320.73

have a successful fertilization and pregnancy

Time: 8322.83

when they seek to do so.

Time: 8324.36

Now, the mirror image of all this, of course, is the sperm.

Time: 8327.78

And there's a kind of common misconception

Time: 8330.299

out there that, you know, the sperm, you only need one.

Time: 8333.7

And indeed you only need one.

Time: 8334.92

But actually, you need many, and it's

Time: 8337.41

only one that's able to successfully fertilize the egg.

Time: 8341.25

So this whole concept of you only

Time: 8342.84

need one is both dismissive of the sperm

Time: 8345.66

but more importantly dismissive of the biology

Time: 8347.61

of the sperm and the egg.

Time: 8349.86

It only takes one successful sperm and one successful egg,

Time: 8353.653

but that's sort of like telling a woman,

Time: 8355.32

hey, you only need one egg.

Time: 8357.299

You need one egg of sufficient quality in the right time

Time: 8361.26

and place, and you need one sperm

Time: 8363.69

of sufficient quality in the right time and place

Time: 8366.24

in order to get successful fertilization and hopefully

Time: 8368.58

pregnancy.

Time: 8369.93

But you need a lot of sperm in order

Time: 8374.219

to get a high probability that that one sperm will

Time: 8378.209

be able to successfully fertilize the egg.

Time: 8380.379

So we have this image of sperm as these dumb operators

Time: 8383.25

that just sort of swim mindlessly towards anything.

Time: 8386.603

And if they bump into an egg, then they fertilize the egg.

Time: 8389.02

And that's really not the way it works.

Time: 8390.78

As I talked about earlier, the sperm--

Time: 8392.58

with its head, its mid region, its tail,

Time: 8394.47

chock a block with mitochondria in the mid region--

Time: 8397.2

is really an active motile cell that indeed will just

Time: 8401.19

swim forward, if it's a healthy, forward progressing sperm.

Time: 8404.34

But many males out there just simply

Time: 8407.19

do not have any knowledge of how many quality

Time: 8410.04

sperm that they happen to have.

Time: 8411.63

Now, given the fact that sperm analysis

Time: 8413.49

is relatively inexpensive and also the fact that freezing

Time: 8417.27

sperm is relatively inexpensive, I

Time: 8419.6

think it stands to reason that most men should at least get

Time: 8422.43

some window into the number and quality of their sperm.

Time: 8425.747

Now, it's a fair assumption to say that if someone

Time: 8427.83

is in their late teens or early 20s or 30s

Time: 8431.67

that they probably have high-quality sperm.

Time: 8433.62

But again, as with the egg and the importance

Time: 8436.44

of measuring AMH and follicle count across time,

Time: 8439.8

men should really evaluate the quality and number

Time: 8442.205

of their sperm.

Time: 8442.83

And we talked a little bit earlier

Time: 8444.247

about some of the parameters that urologists and OB/GYNs

Time: 8447.84

like to see when evaluating sperm.

Time: 8450.84

There's a minimum number or concentration of sperm

Time: 8453.96

that they'd like to see if a couple is going to use

Time: 8456.33

IVF, in-vitro fertilization.

Time: 8458.07

And typically that's going to be about 15 to 20 million

Time: 8460.5

per mil of sperm or semen.

Time: 8463.68

And typically they want to see somewhere between 2 and 5

Time: 8466.86

milliliters of semen, overall, in a given

Time: 8469.86

ejaculate after a 72 to 48 hour abstinence period, because,

Time: 8474.12

of course, the more ejaculations,

Time: 8475.92

the smaller the volume of the ejaculate

Time: 8479.52

in a short period of time.

Time: 8481.09

But after 48 to 72 hours, you more or less

Time: 8484.08

maximize the volume of ejaculate.

Time: 8486.3

And then, of course, they want to see 50% but typically

Time: 8489.27

60% or more of motile sperm in order to get IVF,

Time: 8492.73

but more is better.

Time: 8493.79

And of course, there is an enormous range,

Time: 8495.54

as I mentioned before.

Time: 8496.457

Some males will have anywhere from 10 to 20 million sperm

Time: 8501.15

per milliliter of ejaculate, and some men

Time: 8504.48

will have 100 to 200 million.

Time: 8507.495

But just because they have 100 to 200 million

Time: 8509.37

doesn't mean that all of those sperm are of high quality

Time: 8511.832

and can fertilize eggs.

Time: 8512.79

Sometimes more than half will be twitchers,

Time: 8515.7

and some will be immotile, and so on and so forth.

Time: 8517.81

So it's very straightforward what

Time: 8519.883

I believe most people should do and what

Time: 8521.55

the urologists I spoke to in advance of this episode

Time: 8525.03

said to do, which is to simply do a sperm analysis.

Time: 8527.82

Refrain from ejaculation for 48 to 72 hours.

Time: 8531.09

Give a sperm sample.

Time: 8532.89

Have that sperm sample analyzed.

Time: 8534.63

The cost of the sperm analysis is not typically that much.

Time: 8539.04

And considering that conception and healthy conception

Time: 8542.64

and fertilization is an expensive process

Time: 8544.8

if you have to go the in-vitro fertilization route,

Time: 8547.5

it stands to reason that the cost is pretty well justified.

Time: 8550.08

You also have the option to freeze sperm over time.

Time: 8552.66

There is evidence that the age of the father

Time: 8555.33

and therefore the age of the sperm

Time: 8557.55

can dictate whether or not there's

Time: 8559.23

a higher incidence of problematic pregnancy

Time: 8562.8

or developmental outcomes, including autism.

Time: 8565.38

That is true.

Time: 8566.708

You've probably heard that if the father is

Time: 8568.5

40 years or older, the incidence of autism

Time: 8571.53

is increased significantly.

Time: 8572.85

That is true.

Time: 8573.69

Although the overall probability of having an autistic offspring

Time: 8578.88

if somebody-- if the father, that is-- is 40 years or older

Time: 8581.76

is still quite a bit lower than you would imagine.

Time: 8584.88

It's not as if the probability suddenly skyrockets.

Time: 8588.49

So we'll have an episode on autism

Time: 8590.4

and genetic and non-genetic influences

Time: 8593.85

on autism and other aspects of the autism spectrum.

Time: 8596.91

But the point is this.

Time: 8599.7

I believe and the urologists I spoke

Time: 8602.04

to who are interested in fertility and male health

Time: 8604.8

and sexual health suggest that men

Time: 8606.93

get their sperm analyzed at least once every five

Time: 8611.01

years and certainly, if they're going

Time: 8613.35

to want to conceive children in the distant future,

Time: 8616.05

that they consider freezing their sperm because that, too,

Time: 8618.69

is fairly nominal cost in order to freeze sperm at a younger

Time: 8621.85

age.

Time: 8622.35

And of course, if you can freeze and use sperm

Time: 8624.54

from the time in which you were younger, why wouldn't you,

Time: 8627.22

right?

Time: 8627.72

I mean, you can still opt to go for natural pregnancy

Time: 8630.36

later if that's what you want to do.

Time: 8631.89

But having that in reserve is generally a good idea.

Time: 8635.31

And I discussed some of the parameters that are looked for.

Time: 8638.01

And perhaps most importantly, there

Time: 8640.71

is the possibility of an underlying issue whereby,

Time: 8643.47

for instance, there is very little sperm in an ejaculate.

Time: 8649.02

As I mentioned earlier, the seminal fluid in the ejaculate

Time: 8651.78

could have zero sperm in it, but the volume of ejaculate

Time: 8654.54

could appear completely normal.

Time: 8656.08

So just because your ejaculate volume is normal to you

Time: 8659.4

or is in that range of 2 to 5 milliliters,

Time: 8662.772

well, then that doesn't necessarily

Time: 8664.23

mean that there are any sperm there

Time: 8665.688

or that there are very few sperm there and the few sperm that

Time: 8670.08

are there or the many sperm that there are functionally motile.

Time: 8673.12

So get this analyzed.

Time: 8674.25

It's really worth doing.

Time: 8675.257

And again, it's not something you have to do every year.

Time: 8677.59

It's something that you want to do probably every five years,

Time: 8680.37

at least until the point where you've

Time: 8681.48

conceived as many children as you ever want to conceive.

Time: 8683.813

So the basic takeaway here is that, if you're a woman,

Time: 8686.37

to get your egg count-- your antral follicle count,

Time: 8689.94

that is--

Time: 8690.78

and therefore your reserve of eggs, indirectly measured,

Time: 8694.95

and of course also get your AMH levels measured,

Time: 8697.59

and if you're a male to have a sperm analysis

Time: 8699.72

and to do that relatively early.

Time: 8701.1

In fact, another incentive for doing

Time: 8702.6

that early is that you have a comparison

Time: 8704.267

point so that, for instance, if you are in your early 20s

Time: 8706.78

and you're not thinking about having kids at all

Time: 8708.78

or you're thinking that you might someday have kids

Time: 8710.37

but it's a really someday, someday, far off in the future,

Time: 8713.28

well, it's wonderful to have a reference point from which

Time: 8716.28

to compare your biology in your early 20s

Time: 8719.46

to your biology in your mid or late 30s or 40s when

Time: 8722.49

you might happen to be interested in conceiving.

Time: 8725.34

And if that doesn't provide incentive enough,

Time: 8728.55

I should mention-- and this is important to point out

Time: 8730.95

and that I think both males and females are not

Time: 8734.1

aware of-- is that one in five couples that have issues

Time: 8738.03

with fertility, the issue ends up

Time: 8741.15

falling on the biology that is the quality of the sperm

Time: 8744.72

or a lack of number of sperm.

Time: 8746.83

So I think there's a misconception that when

Time: 8749.55

fertility is an issue it's always an issue with the eggs

Time: 8752.74

and this age-dependent decline in the egg quality-- again,

Time: 8756.507

it's the best language we have available to us at the moment--

Time: 8759.09

this age-dependent decline in egg quality is often to blame,

Time: 8762.63

but not always.

Time: 8763.56

One in five couples that have challenges conceiving it

Time: 8766.147

turns out that it's going to be an issue with the sperm.

Time: 8768.48

And of course, there are a number of different sperm

Time: 8769.92

analyses that, should all the other parameters of sperm

Time: 8772.86

appear normal, now, for instance,

Time: 8774.87

you can get a DNA fragmentation analysis.

Time: 8777.472

You can see whether or not the DNA of the sperm

Time: 8779.43

are somehow disrupted.

Time: 8780.99

Urologists these days are excellent at figuring out,

Time: 8784.53

for instance, if a male has lots and lots of sperm,

Time: 8787.23

everything looks great, but the shape of the head of the sperm

Time: 8790.2

isn't quite right-- if it's not oval enough

Time: 8792.24

and it's too rounded, that could be a genetic defect under which

Time: 8795.69

conditions there is zero probability of the male ever

Time: 8801.15

naturally conceiving, regardless of who the female partner is.

Time: 8804.78

Believe it or not, males can have a ton of sperm,

Time: 8807.12

but if they carry a certain genetic defect,

Time: 8809.4

those sperm will be incapable of depositing those 23

Time: 8812.94

chromosomes into the egg.

Time: 8815.08

However, there are ways in which that sperm can

Time: 8818.4

be coaxed or forced to fertilize the egg

Time: 8821.16

and deposit its genetic contents by in-vitro fertilization

Time: 8823.71

and then implantation into the female.

Time: 8825.37

So again, lots of reasons to have a egg

Time: 8828.54

reserve analysis by ultrasound and AMH

Time: 8830.85

for females and lots of reasons for males

Time: 8833.46

to have a sperm analysis.

Time: 8834.87

And of course, typically with a sperm analysis

Time: 8837.09

and a ovarian reserve analysis will be a hormone analysis.

Time: 8842.72

And I'm a very strong believer in people getting an insight--

Time: 8846.53

that is, a window--

Time: 8847.4

into their hormonal composition, not just

Time: 8850.25

when they encounter problems but starting

Time: 8852.98

at a pretty early age, even if it's only done once every five

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years or so, having a reference point to your 20s

Time: 8858.77

and to your 30s and mid-30s for when you felt a certain way.

Time: 8861.65

Maybe, as in the case for many people I know,

Time: 8864.2

they actually feel better in their 40s

Time: 8865.88

than they did in their 20s because they're

Time: 8867.17

doing a lot of things to support their health.

Time: 8868.76

That is possible.

Time: 8869.76

But in many cases, people start feeling

Time: 8871.76

not as well or their fertility seems to be dropping off

Time: 8875.103

or any number of different parameters that we've discussed

Time: 8877.52

today were related to vitality and longevity seem

Time: 8880.1

to be dropping off over time, and they

Time: 8881.96

want to get a insight into what could be the issue.

Time: 8884.745

And hormones are sometimes, not always,

Time: 8886.37

but sometimes involved in those underlying issues.

Time: 8889.2

And there is nothing as valuable as having a reference point

Time: 8893.21

from a time in which things were going well

Time: 8895.49

to evaluate the, for instance, levels of hormones,

Time: 8898.85

not just testosterone but also estrogen and progesterone

Time: 8901.92

and so forth.

Time: 8902.85

So you need a comparison point in order

Time: 8904.55

to determine what really needs to be changed.

Time: 8906.57

So all of this is a strong push for people to use

Time: 8910.058

your insurance, if you're able to put it on insurance--

Time: 8912.35

oftentimes people are--

Time: 8914.39

and if not, to try and find a reasonable or reasonably priced

Time: 8918.92

way to do a sperm and egg analysis

Time: 8922.34

and to ideally do a hormone analysis as well.

Time: 8925.38

It's really going to set you up for the maximum probability

Time: 8927.86

of being able to conceive children when you want to

Time: 8929.985

and also to avoid a bunch of other health-related issues

Time: 8932.96

that involve hormones and reproductive health

Time: 8936.35

and, in general, to support your mental health and physical

Time: 8939.29

health.

Time: 8939.805

So I've been talking about a bunch of things to do.

Time: 8941.93

There are a couple of things to be mindful of to actively avoid

Time: 8945.47

if your goal is to be and remain fertile.

Time: 8948.41

And that's regardless of whether or not

Time: 8950.3

you want to conceive children in the future or not.

Time: 8953.24

Now, in the context of this discussion,

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the same things that we've heard to be

Time: 8956.75

true for other aspects of our health

Time: 8958.43

turn out to also be true.

Time: 8960.06

So let's just start with the basics.

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Everybody should be getting approximately six to eight

Time: 8966.43

hours of sleep every night.

Time: 8967.64

That should be quality sleep.

Time: 8969.11

Optimizing your sleep is fundamental to balancing

Time: 8971.977

your hormones.

Time: 8972.56

Now, balancing your hormones is kind

Time: 8974.06

of a catch phrase for all things related to proper hormone

Time: 8976.52

regulation.

Time: 8978.05

Sleep is the fundamental layer of mental health,

Time: 8980.19

physical health, and performance of all kinds

Time: 8982.61

and, believe it or not, fertility.

Time: 8984.68

When people are not sleeping well or enough,

Time: 8987.35

stress hormones, in particular cortisol,

Time: 8989.51

shift to peaking later in the day,

Time: 8991.67

and those elevated cortisol levels later in the day

Time: 8994.13

cause a bunch of different problems

Time: 8996.41

in both males and females, many of which impact fertility.

Time: 8999.11

So controlling cortisol starts with controlling your sleep.

Time: 9003.08

It also impacts testosterone and estrogen levels.

Time: 9006.89

So of course, the proper ratios of testosterone and estrogen

Time: 9009.4

will vary from males to females.

Time: 9011.3

But in order to get those right or as right

Time: 9013.48

as they can be without other interventions,

Time: 9015.473

you want to make sure you're getting enough quality sleep.

Time: 9017.89

How much sleep?

Time: 9018.61

Most people need about six to eight hours of sleep per night.

Time: 9021.58

Waking up once, maybe twice per night

Time: 9023.277

in the middle of the night and going back to sleep

Time: 9025.36

is not such a big deal, but six to eight hours of solid sleep

Time: 9028.15

would be ideal.

Time: 9028.788

Some people need a little bit less in order

Time: 9030.58

to function-- five hours.

Time: 9032.152

Some people need a little bit more.

Time: 9033.61

Developing teenagers and babies and kids need a lot more.

Time: 9036.125

People who are sick or recovering from injury

Time: 9038

need a lot more.

Time: 9038.74

We've done multiple episodes on sleep.

Time: 9040.99

We have a toolkit for sleep available free

Time: 9043.09

at hubermanlab.com.

Time: 9044.378

You go there.

Time: 9044.92

You don't even have to sign up for the newsletter,

Time: 9046.78

although you can if you want.

Time: 9047.988

Just go to a Toolkit for Sleep under the menu,

Time: 9050.23

and you'll be able to download that,

Time: 9052

or you can even just view it on the screen

Time: 9053.21

if you don't want to download it.

Time: 9054.1

It has lots of tools.

Time: 9054.975

We've done an episode called "Perfect Your Sleep"

Time: 9058.03

that has a lot of tools.

Time: 9060.067

They're all timestamped for you.

Time: 9061.4

We've done a "Master Your Sleep" episode, so lots of tools

Time: 9063.52

to get your sleep right.

Time: 9064.52

Get your sleep right if you are wishing

Time: 9066.37

to conceive and/or to simply have healthy biology,

Time: 9069.82

to be fertile, or otherwise.

Time: 9071.1

That's just fundamental.

Time: 9072.1

Now, there are other things to not do.

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And those, again, fall into the somewhat obvious categories,

Time: 9078.063

but I think a lot of people aren't

Time: 9079.48

aware of just how striking an effect these certain behaviors

Time: 9084.13

that you want to avoid can have in diminishing your fertility

Time: 9086.92

for both males and females.

Time: 9088.157

So let's talk about those.

Time: 9089.24

The first one is smoking.

Time: 9090.64

And when we talk about smoking here,

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we're talking about smoking nicotine

Time: 9094.66

and we're talking about smoking cannabis.

Time: 9096.73

And indeed, there are strong data--

Time: 9098.38

and I will put a reference to one

Time: 9099.97

of the better larger analyses of these data.

Time: 9102.25

There are strong data showing that cannabis

Time: 9104.38

reduces fertility.

Time: 9105.92

Now, I can already hear the screams from the back,

Time: 9108.49

although they're probably fairly drawled out screams,

Time: 9112.3

from the back of people saying they smoke cannabis

Time: 9114.95

and they had no trouble conceiving.

Time: 9116.92

Certainly, there will be exceptions.

Time: 9118.42

But whether or not you're male or female,

Time: 9120.34

smoking cannabis is a bad idea if you want

Time: 9122.53

to conceive a healthy child.

Time: 9123.85

Can you still conceive a healthy child while smoking cannabis?

Time: 9127.63

Probably certain people can.

Time: 9129.34

Many people will greatly decrease the probability

Time: 9132.85

of a healthy fertilization and pregnancy by smoking cannabis.

Time: 9136.4

There are excellent data to support that.

Time: 9138.87

As well, nicotine, both smoked or vaped,

Time: 9142.11

is going to disrupt the process of fertilization

Time: 9147.15

and can disrupt pregnancy dramatically.

Time: 9149.83

So just avoid it altogether.

Time: 9151.075

How does this happen?

Time: 9151.95

Well, it turns out that smoking increases what are called

Time: 9154.325

reactive oxygen species.

Time: 9155.74

This greatly disrupts the quality

Time: 9158.088

of the egg at the level of the spindle and mitochondria

Time: 9160.38

and a number of other features.

Time: 9161.82

And in the sperm, turns out that smoking doesn't necessarily

Time: 9165.45

disrupt the sperm directly, although it

Time: 9167.34

can cause DNA fragmentation, which

Time: 9170.07

can cause all sorts of abnormalities,

Time: 9171.9

can prevent fertilization, can lead to birth defects

Time: 9174.36

in the offspring.

Time: 9175.15

But more importantly, it increases

Time: 9177.72

what are called reactive oxygen species in the seminal fluid,

Time: 9180.45

in the semen that contain the sperm,

Time: 9182.2

this very, under normal circumstances,

Time: 9184.98

under healthy circumstances, beautifully

Time: 9187.14

orchestrated chemistry of fluid that allows the sperm

Time: 9190.2

to thrive in their trajectory and attempt

Time: 9193.65

to fertilize the egg and lead to a healthy pregnancy.

Time: 9196.3

So if you are a smoker and you want to conceive,

Time: 9199.74

the best advice I can give you is to quit smoking.

Time: 9201.87

And yes, that includes cannabis as well.

Time: 9203.74

Now, I am not somebody who believes that cannabis

Time: 9205.83

across the board is not useful.

Time: 9207.22

There are medical applications and other applications.

Time: 9209.47

I talk about that in an episode all about cannabis

Time: 9212.16

for health and disease.

Time: 9213.3

And notice, health was in there too.

Time: 9214.8

So you cannabis smokers, don't come after me with--

Time: 9217.77

I guess, whatever it is-- with bongs and pipes

Time: 9220.05

or whatever it is that you want-- or with vapes.

Time: 9222.15

The point is that, while it can be

Time: 9224.73

beneficial for certain populations,

Time: 9226.38

it's certainly bad for others.

Time: 9228.49

And if you're trying to conceive,

Time: 9230.55

it is bad for fertility and for a healthy pregnancy.

Time: 9233.88

Now, that's smoking-- and vaping, by the way.

Time: 9237.81

Vaping is included there.

Time: 9239.4

Now, the next category of don'ts relates to alcohol.

Time: 9243.42

Now, everyone has heard that drinking during pregnancy

Time: 9245.82

is a bad idea.

Time: 9247.05

You may have heard and some people

Time: 9248.49

have talked about the fact that there

Time: 9250.35

are cultures in which they allow,

Time: 9253.47

if you will, or even condone, sadly,

Time: 9256.23

one or two drinks while pregnant,

Time: 9258.18

provided it's just champagne or something of that sort.

Time: 9260.79

That is a terrible idea.

Time: 9262.45

I did an episode all about alcohol,

Time: 9264.52

both its potential health effects,

Time: 9266.73

of which there turned out to be zero.

Time: 9268.5

And yes, that includes red wine.

Time: 9270.54

It is far better to not drink at all.

Time: 9272.462

And if you're going to drink, the limit--

Time: 9274.17

if you're a healthy adult who's not

Time: 9275.52

trying to conceive, not pregnant,

Time: 9276.895

and you don't have issues with alcoholism--

Time: 9278.76

is probably two drinks per week total.

Time: 9282.04

That's right, two drinks per week total.

Time: 9284.16

And that's the level that you really

Time: 9285.84

should consider if you're a drinker if you're somebody

Time: 9287.76

who's trying to conceive.

Time: 9288.9

However, for a woman who becomes pregnant,

Time: 9291.265

the total number of drinks that you should allow yourself

Time: 9293.64

per week while pregnant and breastfeeding is indeed zero.

Time: 9297.75

There is absolutely no evidence that one can, quote, unquote,

Time: 9300.87

"get away" with drinking during pregnancy.

Time: 9303.15

And people say, well, I had a perfectly healthy child.

Time: 9304.86

But, of course, you don't know what the health of that child

Time: 9307.36

would have been had you not drank at all.

Time: 9309.48

Now, I'm not here with any generally strong stance

Time: 9311.97

against alcohol.

Time: 9312.78

I myself am somebody who has a drink every once

Time: 9316.68

in a while, although I don't consider myself

Time: 9318.73

somebody who has a strong proclivity for alcohol.

Time: 9321.6

And of course, at this moment, I'm

Time: 9323.85

not trying to conceive children and I'm certainly not pregnant.

Time: 9327.01

So that's safe for me.

Time: 9328.77

But frankly, I haven't had a drink in a very long time.

Time: 9331.69

And so I don't miss it.

Time: 9332.95

And that's me.

Time: 9333.54

But I do realize that a lot of people enjoy alcohol,

Time: 9336.84

and so it's that two drinks per week

Time: 9338.43

limit that really sets the upper limit

Time: 9340.86

and threshold beyond which you start running into issues

Time: 9343.26

with cellular mutation.

Time: 9345.12

You start running into issues of oxidative stress, greatly

Time: 9349.38

increase cancer risk, in particular breast cancer risk.

Time: 9351.9

All of that's covered in the alcohol episode that we did.

Time: 9354.96

You can find it at hubermanlab.com

Time: 9356.55

and timestamped if you want to navigate to specific topics

Time: 9359.32

and so forth, find out all about the data supporting

Time: 9361.56

the statements that I'm making, so on and so forth.

Time: 9364.12

Now, if you're somebody who's seeking to conceive or you fall

Time: 9366.96

into this category that some couples describe themselves

Time: 9369.45

as we're not trying but we're not not trying--

Time: 9371.863

meaning they're not using birth control,

Time: 9373.53

they're kind of letting chance run its course--

Time: 9376.83

well, then you should definitely be

Time: 9378.6

aware of the data showing that even just

Time: 9381.09

one bout, one bout of so-called binge drinking,

Time: 9385.09

which is five to six drinks in a given night or half day,

Time: 9389.43

in a 12-hour period-- one bout of five to six drinks,

Time: 9392.97

if you're a woman or you're a man,

Time: 9395.25

greatly increases both the likelihood of mutations

Time: 9400.41

in the embryo that would result from a fertilization

Time: 9403.87

and at the same time, for reasons that should be

Time: 9405.87

obvious to you based on all the biology we've talked about,

Time: 9408.328

a greatly reduced probability of fertilization.

Time: 9411.07

Now, that absolutely does not mean

Time: 9412.83

that you should use the ingestion of five or six drinks

Time: 9415.38

as a method of birth control.

Time: 9417.48

That is not what I'm saying here.

Time: 9418.92

What I'm saying is that, if you go out on a given night

Time: 9422.55

and you have five or six drinks and you happen

Time: 9424.77

to become pregnant, the probability

Time: 9426.39

that that pregnancy will be disrupted in some way

Time: 9430.14

is greatly increased.

Time: 9431.64

What the exact consequences are, no one can tell you.

Time: 9435.07

But also, if you're somebody who is interested in conceiving

Time: 9439.36

a child, well, then you absolutely

Time: 9441.34

should abstain from ingesting drinks more than one or two

Time: 9445.875

during the time in which you're trying to conceive,

Time: 9448

and ideally it would be zero.

Time: 9449.65

And you certainly would want to avoid drinking

Time: 9452.11

multiple drinks per night.

Time: 9453.46

And so this idea of going out and having three or four drinks

Time: 9456.97

or four or five drinks in a given

Time: 9458.83

night at a time in which you're also

Time: 9461.02

trying to conceive children, the biology tells us,

Time: 9464.74

the epidemiology tells us that this is just a terrible idea.

Time: 9467.65

It's going to reduce the likelihood of fertility

Time: 9470.26

and successful pregnancy.

Time: 9471.68

And if there is a successful pregnancy,

Time: 9473.72

the word "success" needs to be in quotes, right?

Time: 9476.38

I mean, I think every parent--

Time: 9478.45

every species, for that matter-- wants

Time: 9480.7

to increase the probability of having healthy offspring.

Time: 9484.52

And so, to my mind anyway and to the OB/GYNs and the urologists

Time: 9488.65

that are focused on fertility that I spoke to,

Time: 9490.9

everyone will say, try as hard as you

Time: 9493.48

can to avoid these so-called binge drinking episodes.

Time: 9496.535

And again, these episodes are one night

Time: 9498.16

of consuming five to six drinks.

Time: 9499.69

Now, another important thing to remember in this context

Time: 9502.03

is that the negative effects of consuming five or six drinks

Time: 9505.99

in a given night extend over many weeks following

Time: 9509.86

the ingestion of that alcohol.

Time: 9511.75

If you're a male, what that means

Time: 9514.15

is that's going to impact the quality of your sperm

Time: 9517.84

and greatly decrease the likelihood

Time: 9519.55

of successful fertilization and/or healthy pregnancy

Time: 9524.65

over the period of that entire spermatogenesis window, which

Time: 9528.46

is, as we talked about before, 60 to 90 days, 60 to generate

Time: 9532.492

the sperm and then some additional time for the sperm

Time: 9534.7

to be transported to the point where they could be ejaculated.

Time: 9538.11

If you're a woman and you have five or six drinks on a given

Time: 9540.61

night, well, then you are going to disrupt the quality not

Time: 9544.18

of just the egg that eventually ovulates

Time: 9546.85

but indeed the entire pool of follicles that

Time: 9549.34

leaves the ovarian vault in reserve

Time: 9551.38

and from which the one egg will be selected.

Time: 9553.85

In other words, you are reducing the quality of all of the eggs

Time: 9558.55

that you happen to deploy that month.

Time: 9560.26

Now, some of you who were really following the biology earlier

Time: 9562.928

might say, well, what if I have those five or six

Time: 9564.97

drinks during the time in which I'm menstruating, just in which

Time: 9568.15

there's bleeding present?

Time: 9569.77

And therefore, I haven't yet ovulated.

Time: 9572.51

Ah!

Time: 9573.01

But if you remember the biology we talked about earlier

Time: 9575.56

specifically, there is a subset of follicles and eggs

Time: 9579.29

that leave that ovarian reserve quite a bit before that one egg

Time: 9584.65

is selected for and ovulates.

Time: 9586.2

And of course, there are all the different hormonal cascades

Time: 9588.7

and the general milieu of the ovary which

Time: 9590.86

are important and are being regulated

Time: 9592.493

by different hormones.

Time: 9593.41

And yes, indeed, the regulation of those hormones

Time: 9595.96

is strongly impacted by alcohol through a number

Time: 9598.435

of different pathways, through the regulation

Time: 9600.31

of the neurotransmitter GABA up in the brain--

Time: 9602.893

it's actually a lot of GABA and GABA receptors

Time: 9604.81

in the hypothalamus, the very region from which

Time: 9606.79

gonadotropin-releasing hormone, our old friend from a couple

Time: 9609.55

hours ago in this discussion, going

Time: 9612.07

to disrupt GnRH secretion.

Time: 9614.08

You can disrupt pituitary function with alcohol.

Time: 9617.14

Again and again, what we're seeing

Time: 9618.91

is that consuming more than one or two drinks per week

Time: 9622.75

of alcohol is really detrimental to the entire process

Time: 9625.96

of fertility and the entire process of healthy pregnancy.

Time: 9629.44

And that's true from both the male side and the sperm,

Time: 9632.17

and it's true from the female side and the egg.

Time: 9634.63

So my simple advice on this is if you

Time: 9636.58

are wishing to have a healthy fertilization and pregnancy,

Time: 9640.96

the best thing to do would be avoid alcohol altogether

Time: 9643.34

and, if you are going to drink, to really limit

Time: 9645.298

that drinking to one or two drinks per week maximum.

Time: 9648.64

So those are the major don'ts.

Time: 9649.9

Really avoid excessive stress.

Time: 9651.67

And I should mention, excessive stress

Time: 9653.29

is not just best avoided by getting enough quality sleep

Time: 9655.63

at night.

Time: 9656

Although that is the primary way.

Time: 9657.49

There are other ways to avoid stress.

Time: 9658.9

We've done entire episodes about this,

Time: 9660.483

and we have a toolkit related to reducing stress

Time: 9662.56

with very simple, zero-cost tools.

Time: 9664.21

Again, you can find all that at hubermanlab.com.

Time: 9666.31

And I should mention, if you want

Time: 9667.685

to find any episode or topic or timestamp,

Time: 9670.09

that website is keyword search available.

Time: 9673.9

So you can just go to hubermanlab.com,

Time: 9675.73

put into the search function "stress tools,"

Time: 9678.04

and a bunch of different links will pop up

Time: 9679.9

related to those topics, likewise with sleep, likewise

Time: 9683.075

with any number of different topics you

Time: 9684.7

might be interested in.

Time: 9685.7

So get enough quality sleep and thereby reduce stress

Time: 9689.05

and also directly buffer stress with real-time tools

Time: 9691.72

to buffer stress that I've talked about in the episodes

Time: 9694.81

that you can access.

Time: 9695.77

And there are ways to greatly reduce your overall level

Time: 9699.28

of stress, to limit any cortisol that's

Time: 9701.59

released to early in the day, which is when you want cortisol

Time: 9704.212

released, and not have it late in the day

Time: 9705.92

and so on and so forth.

Time: 9707.03

So reduce your stress.

Time: 9708.16

And as I just told you, by all means,

Time: 9713.07

do not drink more than two drinks per week.

Time: 9715.4

And zero is better than two.

Time: 9716.81

If anyone tells you, oh, well, there's

Time: 9718.46

all this resveratrol in red wine, and that's good for us,

Time: 9721.94

the data simply tell us there's not

Time: 9723.5

enough resveratrol in red wine to really have

Time: 9725.393

any positive health benefit.

Time: 9726.56

The data around resveratrol and health

Time: 9728.78

benefits itself is under question nowadays.

Time: 9731.33

Zero alcohol is better than any alcohol.

Time: 9734.18

Two drinks per week is the limit.

Time: 9735.8

Also, limit or eliminate or avoid nicotine and ideally

Time: 9741.83

cannabis, smoking and vaping, at the time in which you

Time: 9744.71

are trying to get pregnant.

Time: 9746.48

And certainly, if you are pregnant,

Time: 9748.07

avoid all of the things, as best you can, that I just

Time: 9750.8

described a moment ago.

Time: 9752.25

Now, there are a couple of other don'ts that are really

Time: 9754.542

important.

Time: 9755.19

One of the most important don'ts relates to STIs,

Time: 9757.79

or sexually-transmitted infections.

Time: 9759.77

Everyone who is sexually active should get an STI check.

Time: 9762.57

In fact, if you go to a fertility clinic

Time: 9764.66

or you go for sperm analysis or you go for egg analysis,

Time: 9767.12

almost always they will do an STI check,

Time: 9770

even if you happen to be in a monogamous relationship,

Time: 9772.4

even if you happen to be not sexually active

Time: 9774.233

and you're somebody who is seeking

Time: 9775.65

to use IVF with a sperm donor or something of that sort.

Time: 9778.01

Why would they do that?

Time: 9779.253

Why is there so much concern about that?

Time: 9780.92

Is it about avoiding giving birth

Time: 9783.26

to a child that has something like a herpes infection or HIV?

Time: 9788.383

Well, certainly that's one reason,

Time: 9789.8

but that's a down-the-line reason, because

Time: 9791.45

at the time when someone goes into the clinic for one

Time: 9793.658

of these sperm or egg analyses, that's well in advance

Time: 9796.91

of any pregnancy, right?

Time: 9798.17

The reason is there are a number of STIs--

Time: 9800.9

in particular chlamydia-- for which it greatly increases

Time: 9804.35

the probability of miscarriage.

Time: 9805.79

So chlamydia is one of those very insidious and cryptic STIs

Time: 9810.39

because a lot of people, both males and females,

Time: 9812.39

don't even realize that they have chlamydia,

Time: 9814.49

and then they can carry chlamydia

Time: 9816.932

at the time in which they conceive,

Time: 9818.39

and then that can lead to ectopic pregnancies

Time: 9820.265

and/or miscarriages.

Time: 9821.48

So by all means, get an STI check

Time: 9823.94

if you are somebody who's seeking to conceive children

Time: 9826.52

or evaluating your fertility generally.

Time: 9829.43

Chlamydia can also have damaging effects on the epididymis

Time: 9831.98

and on the various other aspects of male reproductive health.

Time: 9835.04

In the future, we will do an episode

Time: 9836.54

all about sexual health.

Time: 9837.7

This is not the time for that.

Time: 9838.95

But get an STI check if your goal

Time: 9840.92

is to conceive a healthy child.

Time: 9842.66

Now, the other thing that can have a very negative impact

Time: 9845.21

on fertility and healthy pregnancy is a viral infection.

Time: 9850.22

For instance, if a male has had a severe viral illness--

Time: 9853.353

and this could be any number of different viral illnesses,

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from flu to cold or any number of different viruses.

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Pick your favorite virus--

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in the previous 70 to 90 days, that

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can greatly diminish the number and/or quality of sperm.

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So that's really important.

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This is also important if you're going to go in and do a sperm

Time: 9871.698

analysis and you had a viral infection

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in the previous 70 to 90 days.

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Well, then you need to be aware of that

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because it could greatly impact the parameters of that sperm

Time: 9879.68

analysis.

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Likewise, for women, if you've had a serious viral infection

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in the previous 30 days, does that mean you should not

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try and conceive?

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Not necessarily, but you should talk to your OB/GYN about that.

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There are data showing that viral infection--

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in particular of influenza-- in the mother in the first

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trimester of pregnancy has some correlation-- it's not 100%--

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but some correlation with negative mental health outcomes

Time: 9902.54

of the offspring sometime later, including schizophrenia.

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This is some of the work that was

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done at Caltech a number of years ago

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and other laboratories, as well.

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Those data are still being built up over time.

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Again, it's not one-for-one.

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It's not causal.

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So if you did get an influenza or a cold or other kind

Time: 9919.715

of viral infection during the first trimester

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or any trimester of pregnancy, I don't want to cause alarm,

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but you should talk to your OB/GYN about this.

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The goal, of course, is to avoid viral illness at any time

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when you're trying to conceive or have a healthy pregnancy.

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But of course, sometimes people will get ill,

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and the children can turn out to be perfectly normal and fine.

Time: 9938.078

But it is something that you want to avoid.

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And it will impact your egg analysis,

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and it will impact sperm analysis.

Time: 9944.385

And one thing I found really surprising

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in researching this episode was that 1 in 25 men

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carry a copy of a mutation for cystic fibrosis.

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Now, some of you are probably familiar with cystic fibrosis

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as a condition that can cause issues

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with the lungs, the accumulation of fluid

Time: 9962.66

in the lungs or other tissues.

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Cystic fibrosis, in order to express

Time: 9967.07

that way of accumulation of fluid in the lungs,

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you really need two copies.

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You need two mutant copies or you need two copies

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of the cystic fibrosis gene.

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1 in 25 men will carry just one copy

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and therefore will not have any symptoms of cystic fibrosis.

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But those 1 in 25 men will have defects

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in the architecture of the vas deferens, the duct

Time: 9990.62

through which the ejaculate needs

Time: 9992.6

to pass in order to eventually be ejaculated out

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of the urethra.

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And so what that means is that these men can

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have what appears to be normal semen volume

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but that they won't have normal numbers of sperm.

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And that's not because of a deficit in making the sperm.

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The testes can function just fine.

Time: 10009.97

The brain and the pituitary are communicating

Time: 10012.37

with the testes just fine.

Time: 10013.64

But that literally the passageway

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by which those sperm arrive within the seminal fluid

Time: 10017.8

and are eventually ejaculated is disrupted

Time: 10020.26

by the cystic fibrosis gene.

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Luckily, if somebody has just one copy of the cystic fibrosis

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gene and they're male and this is the issue,

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the vas deferens either can be repaired by a urologist who's

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expert in the surgical repair of vas deferens

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or sperm can be extracted from the testicle directly, which

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might sound like a painful procedure,

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but I believe nowadays, in talking

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with various experts on this, it turns out

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that it can be done with a minimum of discomfort.

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And certainly, if the goal is to have a healthy child,

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you're going to need those sperm,

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so you're going to want to get them one way or the other,

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regardless of the discomfort.

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Now, before getting into some of the things

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that you can do in the positive sense

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to increase your fertility, we do

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need to touch on just a few other things

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that you want to avoid in order to avoid

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diminishing your fertility.

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And this mainly relates to males,

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but it will also be relevant to females.

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And of course, when I say also relevant to females,

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I'm referring to the fact that, if it's a woman and a man who

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are trying to conceive, then she, of course,

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is going to be interested in her egg quality but also the sperm

Time: 10079.21

quality.

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And of course, there are women who

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are conceiving by way of sperm donor, through IVF or IUI

Time: 10084.79

or otherwise.

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But in any case, the need to understand and maximize

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the quality of both the egg and the sperm is paramount.

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So in order for men to maximize the quality of their sperm,

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as I mentioned earlier, does not seem

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to be a big difference whether or not they use boxers

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or briefs or whether or not they, quote, unquote, "go

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commando," they don't wear any boxers or briefs of any kind.

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However, it is important to keep the testicles cool enough.

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They need to be about 2 degrees cooler

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than the rest of the body.

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And there are a number of different ways to do that.

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As I mentioned before, avoid going in hot tubs

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during the period in which you're

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trying to conceive children.

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You should also avoid going in saunas

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during the period in which you are

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trying to conceive children.

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And if you do go in the sauna, you can bring an ice pack there

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and you can put it on the testicles

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in order to offset the heat of the sauna

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and keep the testicles cool while in the sauna.

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The other thing that you'll definitely want to do

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is avoid putting a laptop or any other hot device

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directly onto your lap.

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There are a number of different devices

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that you can put on your lap.

Time: 10149.57

You could put books or a box or there

Time: 10151.13

are these devices that are designed to dispel

Time: 10153.23

the heat from the laptop.

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I would say, if you're trying to conceive,

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just keep the laptop off of your lap.

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Just put it on a table or standing desk or whatever.

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Just keep it off of your lap.

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Also, there are some really interesting data

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showing that the amount of time that men spend sitting,

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regardless of whether or not they sit

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with their ankle on their opposite knee or with knees

Time: 10173.03

spread, the classic man spread stance, or any other kind

Time: 10177.41

of seated stance is going to increase

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the temperature of the scrotum for reasons that

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are somewhat obvious if you think

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about the architecture of all this.

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I think both men and women, if you put enough thought to it,

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you go, oh yeah, that would increase the temperature.

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Obviously avoid seat heaters in cars or otherwise.

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But reducing the total amount of time that you spend seated

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is really important if you want to keep the temperature

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milieu of the scrotum optimal for sperm quality

Time: 10203.33

and fertilization.

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And as I mentioned earlier, it's going

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to be important to make sure that your legs are not

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really big to the point where they are creating

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a hotter than is healthy environment for the scrotum

Time: 10215.36

and testicles.

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So a hotter than normal environment for the testicles

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can be caused by legs that are very large,

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upper thighs that are very large due to obesity or due

Time: 10225.71

to those upper thighs being too muscular.

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So by all means, don't skip leg day.

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But be aware that if you're somebody who's

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trying to conceive, you want to do whatever

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you can to reduce the temperature of the scrotum

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or at least not let it get too hot for too long.

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So I can think of all sorts of reasons

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now that men are going to come up with

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to do the man spread stance of their knees

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really far apart, even further if they have large legs.

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That's not a discussion we want to have here,

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and that's not really what today's discussion is about.

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Really the principle is what's most important, which

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is to keep the temperature of the scrotum

Time: 10257.99

and testicles lower than the rest of your body.

Time: 10261.33

There's a direct blood flow from the body to the testicle that

Time: 10264.38

provides blood flow.

Time: 10265.28

It's designed in a way that that blood pathway

Time: 10269.78

should be outside the body and as far away

Time: 10272.42

from the body as possible in order

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to get the temperature milieu of the scrotum

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and testicle correct for healthy sperm quality.

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Now, a topic that is sure to be a bit controversial--

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but it really shouldn't be because the data,

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at least to me, are very clear--

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is this issue of phone use and sperm quality.

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Now, this can open up a whole array of issues related

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to things like EMFs, and you've got people

Time: 10296.21

out there who have ideas about 5G and all of this stuff.

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That is not what this discussion is about.

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The discussion I'm about to have with you relates to the fact

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that the electromagnetic fields and the heat-related effects

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of smartphones can indeed have a detrimental effect

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on sperm quality and, yes, indeed, on testosterone levels

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as well.

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I'm going to refer you to a paper.

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We will link it in the show note captions.

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The title of this paper is "Effects of Mobile Phone

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Usage on Sperm Quality.

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No time-dependent relationship on usage.

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A systematic review and updated meta-analysis."

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This is the paper that came out in 2021

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and talks about the fact that phones emit a radio

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frequency electromagnetic waves, which

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are called RF, radio frequency, EMWs, electromagnetic waves,

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at a low level between 80 and 2,200 megahertz that

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can be absorbed by the human body-- we know this.

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This is not controversial-- and have potential adverse effects

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on brain, heart, endocrine system,

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and reproductive function.

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That has been established.

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Keep in mind, there is basically no controversy

Time: 10359.12

that radio frequency waves and EMFs

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can have a negative impact on biological tissues.

Time: 10363.81

The question is, how intense are those radiofrequency waves

Time: 10367.91

and EMFs, and how detrimental are those

Time: 10371.225

on those biological tissues?

Time: 10373.22

It's a matter of degrees.

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But there is very little controversy as to

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whether or not they have an effect on biological tissues.

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And I'm aware of absolutely zero data showing

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that they can have a positive effect on biological tissues.

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Since what we're mainly talking about now are smartphones,

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we want to separate out the heat effects of smartphones

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from the EMFs related to the fact

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that they are Wi-Fi smartphones or they're

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using cellular towers and Wi-Fi, one

Time: 10396.74

or the other or a combination.

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So there are a number of different things in the phone

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that could be detrimental.

Time: 10401.21

We need to separate those out.

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Why?

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Well, because you might have heard

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that carrying your phone in your pocket

Time: 10405.955

can reduce your testosterone levels and sperm count.

Time: 10408.59

And guess what, that is true.

Time: 10410.96

The data contained within this meta-analyses

Time: 10413.24

and other meta-analyses clearly point out

Time: 10415.67

that it can reduce sperm count and maybe testosterone levels

Time: 10419.42

significantly, but certainly sperm count and motility

Time: 10422.33

significantly.

Time: 10423.11

It reduces sperm quality.

Time: 10424.85

So should you avoid putting your phone in your pocket, certainly

Time: 10428.97

your front pocket?

Time: 10429.72

I would suggest yes, if you are somebody

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who is seeking to conceive.

Time: 10433.82

I'm not somebody who is going to stop using my smartphone.

Time: 10436.237

I don't expect anyone's going to stop using their smartphone.

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The question is, should you carry it in your front pocket

Time: 10441.41

if you're a male?

Time: 10442.49

I think, to be on the safe side, the answer

Time: 10444.59

is probably avoid doing that too much of the time.

Time: 10447.01

Ideally, don't do it at all.

Time: 10448.81

Then people will say, well, what if I turn off the Wi-Fi

Time: 10452.98

or I turn off the cellular access?

Time: 10455.5

Then is it still a problem?

Time: 10457.07

Well, it's a problem due to the heat-related effects.

Time: 10459.91

And then people say, well, I don't actually

Time: 10461.77

feel the heat of the phone.

Time: 10462.895

It doesn't get that warm.

Time: 10464.05

But the temperature effects of the phone, it turns out,

Time: 10468.7

are enough, even under conditions in which people

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don't report it to be uncomfortably warm, that it can

Time: 10474.4

change the temperature milieu of the testicle

Time: 10476.483

in ways that can diminish sperm quality.

Time: 10478.15

How much and how that relates to fertility

Time: 10480.82

and healthy pregnancy, not clear, but since we're

Time: 10483.49

talking about things to avoid, if your goal

Time: 10485.59

is to have a healthy fertilization and pregnancy,

Time: 10489.145

well, then, by all means, just don't carry it

Time: 10491.02

in your front pocket.

Time: 10491.83

Then people say, well, what about back pocket

Time: 10493.27

or what about backpack?

Time: 10494.32

Look, it's very clear that avoiding

Time: 10497.17

being too close to the phone is probably better for your sperm

Time: 10500.38

quality than putting the phone very close to your testicles

Time: 10504.19

or anywhere else on your body.

Time: 10505.93

But it's also the reality that most people are going

Time: 10508.24

to carry a phone nowadays.

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It's just the reality.

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I think the current estimates-- and it's discussed in this

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paper-- that 90% of the human population has a smartphone--

Time: 10519.04

90%, which is incredible-- the adult population, of course.

Time: 10522.43

Although a lot of kids have them, as well.

Time: 10524.18

So this paper goes on to detail a number of different studies

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and outcomes from studies.

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But basically what they find-- and here I'm paraphrasing--

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is that the data indicate that sperm quality declines

Time: 10533.855

when people start using a mobile phone.

Time: 10535.48

So from the point they start using a mobile phone,

Time: 10537.25

regardless of the usage time-- this is important.

Time: 10539.45

It used to be thought that it was four hours a day or more

Time: 10542.2

of holding your phone or having that phone close to your body

Time: 10545.63

was going to diminish sperm quality.

Time: 10547.13

It turns out that it's not related to usage time.

Time: 10549.01

That's even the title of the paper.

Time: 10550.48

It's just the fact that people are

Time: 10551.897

using mobile phones is reducing sperm count and quality.

Time: 10555.7

That's the reality.

Time: 10556.66

Is it entirely responsible for all the reductions in sperm

Time: 10559.918

quality and maybe even the reductions

Time: 10561.46

in testosterone levels that we're observing from decade

Time: 10563.752

to decade going forward?

Time: 10565.39

I doubt that's the case.

Time: 10566.68

Is it likely to be one of the major players?

Time: 10569.14

I've got my bet on the fact that it is based on the data

Time: 10573.1

that I've observed.

Time: 10573.97

And so if any of you would like to peruse

Time: 10575.83

the data in this meta-analysis, they're quite good.

Time: 10578.02

This study looked at 18 studies that include 4,280 samples.

Time: 10582.34

They were able to separate out the radio

Time: 10584.62

frequency versus the heat effects,

Time: 10586.39

and they were able to eliminate this time of usage variable,

Time: 10590.68

that previously we thought if you were exposed

Time: 10592.63

to a lot of cell phone contact, then

Time: 10595.163

it was far worse than if you were exposed to a little bit.

Time: 10597.58

Turns out, if you're exposed to any at all,

Time: 10599.23

you're going to diminish sperm quality.

Time: 10600.77

What does that mean?

Time: 10601.51

Does that mean that no matter what

Time: 10602.71

you do, if you own a smartphone, that you're going

Time: 10604.793

to diminish sperm quality?

Time: 10606.01

I think the short answer is yes, but that you can mitigate it.

Time: 10609.43

What might you do?

Time: 10610.48

Well, keeping your phone away from your groin or as far

Time: 10612.898

from your groin as possible if you're

Time: 10614.44

a male who's wishing to conceive and maybe even a male

Time: 10616.69

who's wishing to maximize his testosterone levels because it

Time: 10619.99

does appear that radiofrequency waves and the heat

Time: 10622.39

from the phone--

Time: 10623.2

so both of those factors, independently and together,

Time: 10626.11

of course--

Time: 10626.8

can disrupt the Leydig cells of the testes

Time: 10628.99

and the production of testosterone,

Time: 10630.58

and intratesticular testosterone is

Time: 10632.89

important for sperm production.

Time: 10634.42

The exact biological variables leading to all of these changes

Time: 10637.36

isn't exactly clear.

Time: 10638.78

But if you're like me, you say, OK,

Time: 10640.36

probably not a problem for most males to carry their phone.

Time: 10643.72

But probably best to not carry it in the front pocket.

Time: 10646.66

Maybe even avoid carrying it in the back pocket as well.

Time: 10649.01

Again, in the future, we will have an episode

Time: 10650.885

all about Bluetooth.

Time: 10651.85

We'll talk about various aspects of EMFs.

Time: 10654.76

It's a super interesting data set.

Time: 10657.01

And it's a data set for which there's a ton of controversy.

Time: 10660.16

It's really interesting, however,

Time: 10661.995

and there are more and more quality data coming out

Time: 10664.12

all the time.

Time: 10664.713

And I think, going forward, we are

Time: 10666.13

going to see that, indeed, there are some negative effects

Time: 10668.547

of smartphones related to both the radio frequency

Time: 10671.35

transmission and the fact that they generate heat.

Time: 10675.67

And in general, heat is not good for biological tissues.

Time: 10678.77

So any discussion about heat and sperm

Time: 10680.71

and how heat is detrimental to sperm

Time: 10683.68

has to raise this issue of whether or not

Time: 10685.54

cold is good for the testicle.

Time: 10687.4

OK, well, now there's a lot of data starting

Time: 10689.83

to come out about the positive effects,

Time: 10692.41

the positive biological effects, of deliberate cold exposure

Time: 10696.79

on different aspects of brain biology,

Time: 10699.79

such as the release of dopamine and norepinephrine,

Time: 10702.07

and on the biology of the body, to some extent metabolism

Time: 10705.4

but more so the impact on brown fat stores, which

Time: 10707.95

are good for us, so-called brown fat thermogenesis.

Time: 10710.56

There's a lot related to deliberate cold exposure,

Time: 10713.3

and we've done entire episodes on deliberate cold exposure.

Time: 10716.05

Again, you can find that at hubermanlab.com.

Time: 10717.91

We did a guest episode with an expert

Time: 10719.95

on the use of cold for health and performance

Time: 10722.518

with my colleague Craig Heller from Stanford Department

Time: 10724.81

of Biology.

Time: 10725.38

We also have a toolkit on how to apply deliberate, cold exposure

Time: 10729.64

for health for both females and for males--

Time: 10732.31

for sports performance, cognitive performance, mood,

Time: 10734.69

sleep, et cetera.

Time: 10735.43

You can find all that, again, at hubermanlab.com.

Time: 10737.472

Totally zero cost.

Time: 10739.055

Just go into the menu, go to newsletter, and scroll down,

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and you'll find those.

Time: 10744.07

When thinking about sperm quality,

Time: 10746.29

we want remember that excessive heat is bad.

Time: 10748.86

Now, does that mean that deliberate cold is good?

Time: 10751.77

Well, it turns out that one of the major causes of lowered

Time: 10755.76

sperm count and overall reduced sperm quality that's

Time: 10760.32

quite common is the presence of what's called a varicocele.

Time: 10762.87

A varicocele is kind of like varicose veins of the veins

Time: 10766.8

that innervate the testicle.

Time: 10768.6

And what it essentially does is it

Time: 10771.78

means that blood will pool in the testicular region.

Time: 10776.19

It can't circulate back to the body quickly enough.

Time: 10778.56

And therefore, the temperature of that environment increases.

Time: 10780.75

There are some other things that varicoceles

Time: 10782.583

do which can be obstructive at the physical level.

Time: 10784.71

So they're not just temperature related.

Time: 10786.69

It's pretty clear that using deliberate cold exposure

Time: 10790.47

can be healthy for the sperm because of the ways

Time: 10793.11

not that cold directly supports testosterone or sperm quality

Time: 10798.12

but rather because cold reduces heat.

Time: 10801.12

So you will find available online--

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I think they're actually called--

Time: 10806.88

forgive me, but that's what they're called.

Time: 10808.26

I didn't name them-- called snowballs.

Time: 10809.843

These are-- they're sort of like gel pack cold briefs

Time: 10814.53

that you can buy and men will wear for some period of time.

Time: 10817.38

I don't think you wear them all day.

Time: 10818.88

You wear them for some period of time.

Time: 10820.86

A lot of people are now using cold showers and ice baths

Time: 10824.04

and circulating cold baths or going into a cold ocean

Time: 10826.38

or lake for any number of different reasons

Time: 10828.482

I talked about earlier.

Time: 10829.44

I, myself, start every day with either a one

Time: 10832.32

to three-minute cold shower or a one

Time: 10833.98

to three-minute immersion up to my neck

Time: 10836.52

in a cold bath, cold water, circulating water,

Time: 10840.84

or a cold shower.

Time: 10841.743

I do that mainly for the psychological effects

Time: 10843.66

related to the long lasting increases

Time: 10845.4

in dopamine and epinephrine.

Time: 10846.935

But there are other data starting

Time: 10848.31

to come out showing that that sort of approach

Time: 10851.37

or similar approaches can increase testosterone levels

Time: 10854.34

and maybe even sperm counts, can reduce

Time: 10855.99

cortisol late in the evening if the cold exposure is done early

Time: 10858.54

in the day, so on and so forth.

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So a lot of interesting data coming out in really good

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journals that are peer-reviewed and so on-- in humans,

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I should mention, those studies are done in humans--

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to support the use of deliberate cold exposure.

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But again, if you're going to use deliberate cold exposure

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to improve sperm quality, can it work?

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Yes, indeed, it can work, either indirectly

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by increasing testosterone or directly

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by improving sperm quality.

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But both of those effects are likely to be indirect

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by virtue of reducing the temperature of the testicle

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overall, not because there's any sort of magic effect of cold

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on the testicle.

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Now, I have to imagine that a number of you,

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in particular the females listening to this,

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are going to say, is deliberate cold exposure--

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and for that matter, is deliberate heat exposure,

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like sauna or hot tub-- good or bad for the ovary,

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for eggs, and for fertility?

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Now, there are fewer data to look to, unfortunately.

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But what we do know is that deliberate cold exposure

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done in the way that I just described-- one

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to three minutes a day, ideally early in the day,

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through cold shower or immersion up to the neck--

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doesn't have to be an ice bath.

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It could be cold circulating water or even

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non-circulating cold water.

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And people will say, well, how cold?

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I should have mentioned that before.

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How cold?

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There is no way I can tell you exactly how

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cold the water should be, because for some people,

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60 degrees Fahrenheit will be exceedingly cold.

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For other people, 40 degrees is going to be more appropriate.

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How cold should you make it?

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If you're going to embrace these practices, you want--

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according to the literature, what you want to do

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is make it uncomfortably cold such

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that you really want to get out, but safe.

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You don't want to go into 30-degree water immediately.

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You can actually have a heart attack and die if you do that.

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So you want to progress gradually into the cold.

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So you don't want to shock your system too much.

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Although it is the adrenaline evoked by that [GASPS],,

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that quickening or shortening or elimination

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of the breath for a short period of time

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when you get into uncomfortably cold water that

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correlates with or is actually the reflection of--

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would be more accurate to say-- the release of adrenaline

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and then dopamine and so forth, which

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has been very well documented.

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So uncomfortably cold, but safe to stay in.

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And I cannot tell you an exact number that is uncomfortably

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cold but safe for you.

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It's going to differ person by person.

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You want to figure that out.

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Just like I can't tell you how much weight that you should

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squat in order to achieve some effective resistance

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training for the legs, it's going

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to differ depending on your strength

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and your prior experience and so forth.

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So ease into it.

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Be safe.

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But it does appear that both for men,

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for reasons I talked about a few minutes ago, and for women

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that deliberate, cold exposure can be beneficial

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for fertility and for hormone production,

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but in particular for females in terms of regulating cortisol

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and for hormone production.

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Now, you might say, OK, getting into cold is stressful.

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How can that be helpful for regulating stress?

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Well, it turns out, when you get into the cold,

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you get a big surge in adrenaline

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and then dopamine, which is very long lasting,

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provided that's done in the early part of the day.

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So I would say, not too close to sleep.

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Then what you do is you restrict your maximum cortisol release

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to a period earlier in the day that buffers--

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reduces, that is-- the likelihood

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that you would have excessive amounts of cortisol later

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in the day, which not only can disrupt sleep

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but is correlated with a number of other hormonal effects that

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are not good for us and therefore

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not good for fertility.

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So here what I'm describing are positive

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yet indirect effects of a cold on hormone levels

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both in males and in females.

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So for men, we talked about increased testosterone,

Time: 11061.68

improved sperm quality that was indirect.

Time: 11063.75

You're reducing the temperature of the testicle.

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But it's not that cold itself is positively

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impacting those things.

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Does that make sense?

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Heat is bad.

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Therefore, reducing temperature is good.

Time: 11072.33

Likewise, with females, deliberate cold exposure

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can be good for the overall fertility process,

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not because cold is good for the ovary or being

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cold is good for the ovary or for luteinizing hormone

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or for follicle-stimulating hormone or anything

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else like that, but rather that using deliberate cold exposure

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as a way to restrict stress in a deliberate

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way to a particular time of day increases

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the release of cortisol, then, and indirectly reduces

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the amount of cortisol that's released

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at other times along the 24-hour cycle.

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So these are positive yet indirect effects.

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So if you're a woman who really is interested in exploring

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deliberate cold exposure or who enjoys it or is already

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doing it and you're wishing to conceive, great.

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Explore it.

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Do it safely, of course, but explore it

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and continue to do it.

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However, if you're somebody who just hates the cold

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and doesn't want to go anywhere near it,

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there's no reason to think that you absolutely need it,

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provided that your stress, your sleep, and other factors

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are all being carried out properly.

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The next things that we'll talk about

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in terms of positive things or things

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that we can do in order to maximize fertility

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for both females and males are the things

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that you also generally hear about elsewhere.

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Right along with sleep and avoiding alcohol and avoiding

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nicotine and avoiding cannabis, avoiding excessive heat

Time: 11144.06

for the testicle, avoiding excessive stress,

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is that you want to try to get enough exercise.

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Why would exercise have anything to do with any of this?

Time: 11154.57

Well, exercise-- and that is both a combination

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of resistance training and cardiovascular exercise--

Time: 11159.9

is going to improve the health of the mitochondria--

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in particular, cardiovascular exercise.

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And I realize that for you fitness experts out there,

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any time someone says "cardio," people kind of roll their eyes,

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like, what is that?

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There's endurance training.

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There's interval training.

Time: 11172.71

There's HIIT training.

Time: 11173.73

There's sprints.

Time: 11174.467

There's all sorts of different things.

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Some of those overlap.

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Some of them are separate.

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Indeed, that's the case.

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But we can use a general rule of thumb here, which

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is that, for most people, getting anywhere from 30

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and ideally 45 to 60 minutes of exercise per day

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for six days per week, maybe even seven--

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but most people like to take a day off or need

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to take a complete day off each week--

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six to seven days per week is going

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to be good for mitochondrial health and function.

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It's also going to impact all the other things,

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like quality sleep, mood, reducing stress,

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and so on and so forth.

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So exercise we can handle pretty quickly by just saying everyone

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should be doing it.

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Now, when people are pregnant, they might have to, of course,

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change the amount of exercise or the type of exercise

Time: 11215.148

that they're doing.

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There are varying opinions on that,

Time: 11217.398

but certainly the type of exercise and the amount

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can vary when people are pregnant.

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But if you're seeking to conceive,

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getting enough exercise is good because it's

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good for the mitochondria.

Time: 11226.413

The mitochondria are present in that mid region of the sperm.

Time: 11230.34

And mitochondria are critical for chromosomal segregation

Time: 11234.48

and the spindle and other aspects

Time: 11236.7

of the formation of a healthy egg, ovulation,

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and fertilization in the female.

Time: 11240.228

One thing that I know a lot of people

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are interested in nowadays is so-called intermittent fasting

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or time-restricted feeding.

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I mean, let's be fair, everybody is restricting their feeding

Time: 11248.877

time because hopefully everybody is sleeping

Time: 11250.71

at some point in the 24-hour cycle,

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and nobody is eating while they are sleeping.

Time: 11255.33

That said, many people are employing

Time: 11257.97

a so-called eight-hour feeding window or a 10-hour feeding

Time: 11260.562

window or a 12-hour feeding window.

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And indeed, there are some data to support the idea that that

Time: 11265.005

can be a good thing for a number of different biological and

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health parameters.

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However, there are also a lot of data,

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especially recently, pointing to the fact

Time: 11273.54

that your overall number of calories

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and the quality of your food sources

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is going to be the most important variable.

Time: 11279.93

And some people simply find that time-restricted feeding--

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intermittent fasting, as it's also called--

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is just a convenient way to ensure

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that your total intake of calories

Time: 11289.23

is not excessive for what you need.

Time: 11291.27

Now, with all that said, there is evidence

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that I've covered in a solo episode

Time: 11295.703

and will soon have an expert guest

Time: 11297.12

on showing that time-restricted feeding can have

Time: 11301.32

certain positive outcomes for various aspects of organ,

Time: 11305.04

cellular, and tissue health.

Time: 11307.23

This is somewhat controversial, but there

Time: 11309.03

is growing evidence that, by restricting your feeding

Time: 11311.58

window to, say, 8 hours or 10 hours or 12 hours,

Time: 11314.55

that it is better than if you were to eat over a longer

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period of each 24-hour cycle.

Time: 11319.56

But again, the data are still incoming.

Time: 11321.625

The reason we want to talk about time-restricted feeding,

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intermittent fasting is that a lot of people

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do use it because they find it easier

Time: 11328.29

to not eat at certain periods of their 24-hour cycle

Time: 11331.47

than to restrict calories.

Time: 11332.79

But again, keep in mind, you have to restrict calories

Time: 11336.132

if your goal is to maintain or lose

Time: 11337.59

weight, a discussion that we've covered

Time: 11339.87

in that episode on intermittent fasting

Time: 11341.79

and in the episode with Dr. Layne Norton

Time: 11343.92

and that we will cover in other episodes in the future.

Time: 11348.16

So refer to those episodes at hubermanlab.com

Time: 11350.79

if you would like to learn more about intermittent fasting,

Time: 11353.31

per se.

Time: 11354.06

For sake of this conversation, a number of people

Time: 11356.7

are probably asking, if I restrict my feeding

Time: 11359.61

to a certain window each 24 hours because that's

Time: 11362.983

what's convenient or because I'm excited

Time: 11364.65

about the potential positive effects

Time: 11366.18

of intermittent fasting, is that going

Time: 11369.03

to disrupt the likelihood of fertility and thereby

Time: 11373.5

a healthy pregnancy?

Time: 11374.67

And the short answer to that is, if you are a female

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and you are having regular menstrual cycles that

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is a fairly consistent duration--

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so maybe it's 21 days, maybe it's

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35, or anywhere in between, but it's

Time: 11385.83

fairly consistent from month to month--

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and you are following intermittent fasting,

Time: 11389.28

time-restricted feeding, well, then

Time: 11391.14

chances are pretty good that it's not

Time: 11393.48

disrupting your fertility and likelihood of fertilization

Time: 11397.91

and a healthy pregnancy.

Time: 11398.91

Of course, during pregnancy, you need to talk to your doctor

Time: 11401.94

and make sure that you're eating in a way that's

Time: 11403.98

supportive both of you and of the developing fetus.

Time: 11406.41

That's extremely important.

Time: 11407.86

I am not aware of data exploring,

Time: 11410.85

in a regimented way, time-restricted feeding

Time: 11413.1

during pregnancy.

Time: 11414.34

So please, please, please, if you're pregnant,

Time: 11416.52

do not jump on a time-restricted feeding,

Time: 11418.38

so-called intermittent fasting diet.

Time: 11419.88

Talk to your OB/GYN.

Time: 11422.07

Talk to your doctor.

Time: 11423.72

Talk to multiple doctors, for that matter,

Time: 11425.79

before doing anything like that, because, of course,

Time: 11428.01

you're now eating for two, or if you have twins in there,

Time: 11430.41

you're eating for three.

Time: 11432.15

Very important.

Time: 11433.08

If, however, you're not yet pregnant

Time: 11434.58

and you want to be fertile, get pregnant, or simply maintain

Time: 11439.02

a fertile potential and biology and you're

Time: 11442.77

following intermittent fasting, it's

Time: 11444.78

going to be the regularity of those periods and regularity

Time: 11447.748

of cycle length that will tell you whether or not

Time: 11449.79

that's a good idea or not.

Time: 11451.35

Keeping in mind, of course, that if your total number

Time: 11454.68

of calories is too low, your periods will cease.

Time: 11457.8

That's a well-known effect.

Time: 11459.67

But of course, stress can also induce

Time: 11462.78

cessation of menstruation.

Time: 11465.42

And there are other factors that can induce cessation

Time: 11467.76

of menstruation as well.

Time: 11469.15

Some of them start with changes in the brain, literally,

Time: 11472.417

in the hypothalamus.

Time: 11473.25

Some occur in the pituitary.

Time: 11474.93

Many lifestyle factors can do that.

Time: 11477.39

But most typically, it's going to be

Time: 11479.19

excessive caloric restriction or it's

Time: 11481.71

going to be a caloric deficit brought on

Time: 11484.32

by excess physical activity.

Time: 11486.52

So even if someone's eating a lot,

Time: 11488.28

if they're not eating enough to offset their physical activity

Time: 11492.06

or they're not eating enough of, in particular,

Time: 11494.22

fats, the essential fatty acids and protein,

Time: 11497.49

but also carbohydrates, well, then menstruation can cease.

Time: 11500.24

And of course, if menstruation is ceasing,

Time: 11501.99

chances are, almost with certainty,

Time: 11504.15

that you're not getting regular ovulations.

Time: 11506.32

Now, in terms of males and whether or not

Time: 11508.243

intermittent fasting is going to disrupt

Time: 11509.91

spermatogenesis and testosterone production,

Time: 11513.66

there's essentially no data we can look to.

Time: 11516.49

But we can look to the general logic

Time: 11518.1

around the relationship between body fat, testosterone,

Time: 11522.42

and spermatogenesis.

Time: 11523.53

And this was something that was covered

Time: 11525.21

in a discussion I had on optimization of hormone

Time: 11528.95

health for males that I had with Dr. Kyle Gillette,

Time: 11531.35

who's a medical doctor and obesity specialist.

Time: 11533.72

Again, you find that episode at hubermanlab.com

Time: 11536.03

if you want to learn all about hormone optimization in males.

Time: 11539

And essentially, the story is as follows.

Time: 11541.62

If a male is excessively overweight,

Time: 11544.77

he's carrying too much body fat in particular, not too

Time: 11547.37

much muscle--

Time: 11547.912

although that can be an issue too,

Time: 11549.328

but too much body fat is typically the issue--

Time: 11551.45

so more than, say, 20% body fat--

Time: 11555.53

well, then losing body fat is going

Time: 11558.02

to be the primary goal for maximizing testosterone, sperm

Time: 11561.29

health, and spermatogenesis.

Time: 11563.69

If, however, a male is already lean, well, then actually

Time: 11567.92

increasing calories will increase testosterone.

Time: 11571.19

So it's a bit of a complicated story,

Time: 11573.587

although not so complicated that none of us can understand it.

Time: 11576.17

Basically, if you're overweight, you

Time: 11578.03

should focus on losing weight in order to maximize sperm quality

Time: 11580.94

and health.

Time: 11581.51

If you are very lean, well, then restricting your calories

Time: 11585.08

to the point where you are starting to lose weight

Time: 11587.96

or you're dropping even more body fat

Time: 11590.66

is unlikely to increase your testosterone further.

Time: 11593.75

It doesn't necessarily mean it's bad

Time: 11595.37

or that you shouldn't try and go, for instance,

Time: 11597.59

from 15% to 10% body fat.

Time: 11599.025

I'm not saying that that's bad and that

Time: 11600.65

will reduce your testosterone.

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But in general, if you're already

Time: 11603.38

very lean-- so 10% body fat, 5% body

Time: 11606.408

fat-- and you start restricting calories further,

Time: 11608.45

your testosterone levels will drop.

Time: 11610.71

So in the context of intermittent fasting,

Time: 11612.76

it's really not an issue of whether or not

Time: 11614.51

your feeding window is 8 hours or 12 hours.

Time: 11616.64

It's really an issue of whether or not

Time: 11618.223

you're getting enough calories to offset the physical demands

Time: 11620.9

and activities of your life, whether or not

Time: 11623.03

you're on a maintenance diet to maintain your weight.

Time: 11625.28

And of course, you have to put all that in the context of

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whether or not you're overweight or lean to begin with.

Time: 11629.54

The simple thing to take away from this

Time: 11631.25

is, if you're a male who's using--

Time: 11633.14

because you like it-- intermittent fasting,

Time: 11635.12

so-called time-restricted feeding,

Time: 11636.56

and you're following an eight hour or maybe even

Time: 11639.523

a one meal per day type approach--

Time: 11640.94

although I don't really recommend

Time: 11642.11

that for a number of reasons we could talk about separately.

Time: 11644.61

If you're eating over the course of 8 or 10 or 12 hours per day

Time: 11647.96

because that's what works for you and you are ingesting

Time: 11650.9

enough calories to maintain your weight if you're already

Time: 11653.42

lean or you are ingesting fewer calories

Time: 11658.51

than you are burning in order to lose weight because you are

Time: 11661.01

already overweight and you want to lose body fat,

Time: 11664.295

you're probably optimizing for all the things

Time: 11666.17

that you need to do in order to improve sperm quality

Time: 11668.93

and testosterone levels.

Time: 11670.31

Now, also in that episode that I did

Time: 11672.02

with Dr. Kyle Gillette on optimizing hormones for males,

Time: 11675.08

we talked about testosterone replacement therapy.

Time: 11677.42

It's not a topic I want to get into in any detail right now.

Time: 11680.19

But I will say this.

Time: 11681.74

Remember earlier when we were talking about spermatogenesis

Time: 11684.38

and the fact that in order for sperm to be generated

Time: 11686.87

consistently every month ongoing from the time of puberty

Time: 11690.83

until essentially the time that a man dies,

Time: 11694.04

you need two things.

Time: 11695.25

You need testosterone production from the Leydig cells

Time: 11697.64

of the testes, and you need spermatogenesis

Time: 11701.42

to be supported by that androgen-binding protein

Time: 11704.54

coming from the support cells, from the Sertoli cells.

Time: 11707.42

So you need testosterone, and you

Time: 11708.8

need androgen-binding protein, and you need the Leydig cells

Time: 11711.38

and the Sertoli cells active.

Time: 11713.27

When men take exogenous, meaning from outside the body,

Time: 11716.39

testosterone, either by cream or by patch or by pellets or more

Time: 11719.51

typically by injection-- the most typical TRT

Time: 11722.03

approach nowadays is testosterone cypionate, which

Time: 11724.19

is biologically identical to the kind of testosterone

Time: 11728

you would make.

Time: 11728.69

Well, because of negative feedback loops, which you also

Time: 11731.12

learned about earlier, the testicles

Time: 11733.82

themselves shut down their own testosterone production.

Time: 11737.69

Why would that be?

Time: 11738.44

OK, so you're taking testosterone in by syringe

Time: 11741.14

or by patch or any other method.

Time: 11743.88

So the circulating testosterone and the amount that

Time: 11746.18

arrives at the testicle is going to be hopefully

Time: 11749.69

clinically appropriate, not super physiological,

Time: 11751.76

but it'll be somewhere in the healthy reference range,

Time: 11754.01

maybe a little bit higher.

Time: 11755.203

Nowadays, some people are going a little bit higher.

Time: 11757.37

So we're not talking about full blown, quote, unquote,

Time: 11759.23

"anabolic steroid use," keeping in mind,

Time: 11761.28

of course, that estrogen is a steroid.

Time: 11762.947

Testosterone is a steroid.

Time: 11764.03

But when we think about steroids,

Time: 11764.96

we mean like performance-enhancing drugs, so

Time: 11766.793

super physiological doses.

Time: 11768.65

We're talking about within physiological

Time: 11770.75

or near physiological ranges.

Time: 11772.62

So if someone's taking their testosterone

Time: 11774.38

in from an outside, exogenous, source,

Time: 11778.13

the levels of circulating testosterone

Time: 11779.87

will be sufficiently high that the pituitary

Time: 11782.15

will register that and will stop making luteinizing hormone

Time: 11786.32

and generally follicle-stimulating hormone,

Time: 11788.48

as well.

Time: 11789.08

And as a consequence, spermatogenesis

Time: 11791.72

is vastly reduced or eliminated.

Time: 11794.48

In other words, for men who are on TRT or who

Time: 11798.32

are taking testosterone from an external source,

Time: 11801.95

the number of sperm that they're going to make

Time: 11803.9

is going to be dramatically reduced.

Time: 11805.53

There are things that they can do to offset that,

Time: 11807.572

like taking hCG, human chorionic gonadotropin, which is just

Time: 11810.5

kind of a mimic for luteinizing hormone

Time: 11812.18

to stimulate the testes to continue to make testosterone.

Time: 11816.23

And some men will also--

Time: 11818.45

or instead-- take FSH to stimulate the Sertoli cells

Time: 11822.8

to support spermatogenesis-- excuse me--

Time: 11826.73

or both or some combination.

Time: 11828.33

Some people take clomiphene, Clomid.

Time: 11830.09

There are any number of different ways

Time: 11831.673

to bypass or offset the sperm-reducing effects

Time: 11835.58

of taking exogenous testosterone.

Time: 11837.6

This is a conversation that was covered

Time: 11839.33

in a fair amount of detail in that episode with Dr. Gillette.

Time: 11841.91

But just keep in mind that if you are taking testosterone

Time: 11845.63

from an exogenous source, your sperm counts will dramatically

Time: 11849.568

be reduced, unless you do something to offset it.

Time: 11851.61

So if you are wishing to conceive,

Time: 11853.137

you need to think about whether or not

Time: 11854.72

you're going to offset the testosterone replacement

Time: 11857.18

therapy or whether or not you're going to come off it entirely.

Time: 11860.61

So you'll need to talk to a urologist endocrinologist

Time: 11863

about that.

Time: 11864.65

And again, a number of these different themes and ways

Time: 11867.08

to go about tapering off TRT were

Time: 11868.82

covered in that episode with Dr. Kyle Gillette.

Time: 11871.04

So if you're on TRT or you're considering taking it

Time: 11873.38

and you're interested in having children,

Time: 11875.088

not just now but at any point, you really

Time: 11876.875

want to take these things into consideration.

Time: 11878.75

Now, I do want to point out that, for the number of you

Time: 11881.63

out there who are taking supplements, some of which

Time: 11884.39

we've talked about on this podcast

Time: 11885.86

and I've talked about in other podcasts, such as tongkat ali--

Time: 11888.27

it turns out that there are a lot of men and women

Time: 11890.353

taking tongkat ali to reduce sex hormone binding globulin

Time: 11893.24

levels, to increase testosterone and estrogen, in some cases,

Time: 11896

libido and so forth.

Time: 11898.19

Those approaches, meaning supplement-based approaches,

Time: 11900.98

to increase testosterone or free testosterone

Time: 11905.54

or some related hormones, are not

Time: 11908.36

going to shut down your own endogenous testosterone

Time: 11911

production and reduce the number of sperm that you make

Time: 11913.94

or, at least as far as we know, disrupt ovulation

Time: 11916.835

in any kind of way, provided that the dosages

Time: 11918.71

are within normal ranges.

Time: 11919.76

Again, supplementation to support your hormones

Time: 11922.97

should not disrupt ovulation or spermatogenesis

Time: 11927.47

or testosterone production.

Time: 11928.76

Quite the opposite.

Time: 11929.76

It should enhance it.

Time: 11930.74

What I just described around TRT as taking

Time: 11932.93

exogenous testosterone, that itself

Time: 11935.39

is an entirely different beast.

Time: 11937.07

Now, with all of that said, there

Time: 11938.84

are some supplements out there that

Time: 11942.08

include testosterone as a ingredient that's

Time: 11945.5

been snuck in to various formulas that include

Time: 11949.308

blends and things of that sort.

Time: 11950.6

You want to be aware of that.

Time: 11951.808

And we did an episode about how to develop a rational guide

Time: 11954.77

to supplementation.

Time: 11956.1

I highly recommend listening to that episode.

Time: 11958.095

Again, it's timestamped, available free

Time: 11959.72

at hubermanlab.com in all formats.

Time: 11962.03

Because it talks about which supplements

Time: 11964.52

are likely to be "clean," quote, unquote,

Time: 11966.32

to contain the things that you expect them to contain,

Time: 11968.42

there's more and more evidence coming out that

Time: 11970.337

a lot of supplements, including some--

Time: 11971.96

for instance, supplements that contain

Time: 11974.51

testicle or the extracts of testicles

Time: 11976.85

can contain testosterone.

Time: 11978.242

Whether or not they can shut down your own endogenous

Time: 11980.45

testosterone production isn't clear.

Time: 11982.293

No one's really explored that in detail.

Time: 11983.96

But based on everything we just talked about with TRT,

Time: 11985.97

it stands to reason that it might either reduce it or shut

Time: 11988.56

it down.

Time: 11989.06

It's just never been explored yet.

Time: 11990.87

So by all means, make sure that what you're taking

Time: 11993.672

if you're taking supplements.

Time: 11994.88

But again, the major point here is

Time: 11997.25

that, for both females and males,

Time: 11998.66

taking supplements to support healthy hormone

Time: 12001.24

production, including things like tongkat ali,

Time: 12004.63

is not the same as taking hormones or bioidentical

Time: 12008.44

hormones, which indeed can shut down your own endogenous

Time: 12012.01

production of hormones and thereby

Time: 12013.57

reduce both egg quality and the chance of fertilization

Time: 12017.23

and healthy pregnancy and sperm quality

Time: 12019.06

and the chance of fertilization and healthy pregnancy.

Time: 12021.37

Any time there's a discussion about fertility and pregnancy,

Time: 12025.54

there seems to also be a parallel discussion

Time: 12027.7

about sex determination.

Time: 12029.47

That is, what factors can influence whether or not

Time: 12032.83

the child that's born is male or female.

Time: 12035.41

That is, whether or not it has double X chromosomes-- so one X

Time: 12038.53

chromosome from mom, one X chromosome from dad

Time: 12040.72

because the egg was fertilized by a sperm that

Time: 12042.91

had an X sex chromosome, that 23rd chromosome--

Time: 12046.15

or whether or not the offspring is male, whether or not

Time: 12048.91

it has the X chromosome from mom, because it's always going

Time: 12051.368

to be the X chromosome in that egg,

Time: 12053.83

and a Y chromosome from the sperm that

Time: 12056.14

fertilized that particular egg.

Time: 12057.815

Now, of course, there are instances out

Time: 12059.44

there of people that have XXY chromosomes or XYY chromosomes.

Time: 12064.87

But the vast majority of people out there

Time: 12067.9

are going to have either an XX chromosome-- so we

Time: 12072.04

call that a female karyotype.

Time: 12074.74

This is different than genotype and phenotype,

Time: 12076.99

but a female karyotype would be XX--

Time: 12080.23

or a male karyotype, which would be XY.

Time: 12084.76

Now, despite the fact that it is the egg and the sperm

Time: 12087.31

and the chromosomes that they carry

Time: 12088.768

that are going to determine the chromosomes,

Time: 12091.01

there's a lot of lore and discussion about the factors

Time: 12094.27

that can bias which sperm will fertilize the egg

Time: 12098.14

and thereby whether or not you're

Time: 12099.67

going to get an XX, female, or an XY, male, chromosome

Time: 12103.27

and therefore offspring.

Time: 12104.63

Now, not only is the lore around this whole issue of sex

Time: 12107.68

determination rather prominent, but it is also somewhat unusual

Time: 12112.33

and perhaps even interesting.

Time: 12113.86

So for instance, Aristotle himself proposed

Time: 12117.58

that if a man is thinking about himself and his own pleasure

Time: 12122.44

more than his partner and her pleasure

Time: 12126.25

at the point of ejaculation, then

Time: 12129.46

the offspring will be male.

Time: 12131.11

Aristotle also asserted that if a man is thinking

Time: 12133.51

more about his partner and her pleasure

Time: 12135.76

at the point in which he ejaculates, well, then

Time: 12138.85

the offspring would be female.

Time: 12140.83

And of course, we have zero reason

Time: 12143.17

to believe that there's any truth to Aristotle's theory.

Time: 12146.11

There are no data to support that.

Time: 12147.693

In fact, I'm not even sure how you

Time: 12149.11

would run that experiment because you can't really

Time: 12151.81

look at people's thoughts.

Time: 12153.31

You'd have to rely on honest self-report.

Time: 12156.31

And even if people were to faithfully report

Time: 12159.43

what they were thinking about at the moment of ejaculation,

Time: 12162.35

this would involve, of course, bringing people

Time: 12164.267

into the laboratory and somehow measuring or analyzing

Time: 12167.22

their thoughts or gathering their thoughts

Time: 12168.97

during the sexual intercourse at the point of ejaculation,

Time: 12172.15

then figuring out which biological sex was

Time: 12175

the offspring, et cetera.

Time: 12176.59

Just near impossible and probably not the most important

Time: 12179.71

experiment to invest our time doing.

Time: 12181.9

Nonetheless, there continues to be

Time: 12185.26

a lot of lore about what determines

Time: 12187.668

the sex of the offspring.

Time: 12188.71

Most notably, there's a lot of lore and discussion

Time: 12191.17

and rumor about the idea that particular sexual positions

Time: 12195.31

at the point of ejaculation during intercourse

Time: 12198.04

can somehow bias the likelihood that a pregnancy will

Time: 12202.03

be either resulting in male or female offspring.

Time: 12206.43

Now, again, there are zero data to support this,

Time: 12208.79

and yet this whole notion of sex determination

Time: 12211.88

is a really interesting one that people

Time: 12213.56

seem to be somewhat obsessed by, so much so that, again,

Time: 12217.31

if you go online or if you were to talk

Time: 12219.08

to people in the sort of let's call it holistic

Time: 12222.17

or peripheral health spaces related to fertility,

Time: 12226.26

there is discussion about, OK, well,

Time: 12227.96

you take this sexual position at the point of ejaculation

Time: 12230.42

to get a boy and you take that sexual position

Time: 12232.337

at the point of ejaculation to get a girl

Time: 12234.05

or you do this in the early part of the day

Time: 12236.75

or the later part of the day.

Time: 12238.38

Again, all for which there is zero

Time: 12240.71

data to support any kind of systematic relationship

Time: 12244.34

between what I just discussed and the biological sex

Time: 12246.53

of the offspring.

Time: 12247.37

That said, there are now emerging methods

Time: 12251.21

that people are using in order to separate out the sperm that

Time: 12257

will indeed give rise to a male offspring

Time: 12260.36

versus a female offspring.

Time: 12261.87

Now, this, of course, is done in the context

Time: 12263.72

of in-vitro fertilization.

Time: 12265.437

We haven't talked too much about in-vitro fertilization.

Time: 12267.77

But in-vitro fertilization involves,

Time: 12269.84

as the name suggests, taking an egg and taking a sperm,

Time: 12273.8

pairing them in a dish.

Time: 12275.18

This can be done a number of different ways.

Time: 12277.88

But just to briefly describe the IVF procedure,

Time: 12280.91

IVF involves administering supra--

Time: 12284.62

meaning greater than normal-- supraphysiological levels

Time: 12288.32

of follicle-stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone

Time: 12291.89

during the follicular phase of a woman's cycle.

Time: 12294.44

What that causes is the maturation of not just one

Time: 12298.31

egg that would be ovulated but multiple follicles and eggs.

Time: 12303.63

And then ovulation itself is suppressed also

Time: 12307.25

through the administration of exogenous hormones.

Time: 12310.04

And then, under ultrasound guidance,

Time: 12312.59

an OB/GYN goes in and collects the mature eggs and follicles,

Time: 12316.43

puts them in a dish, and then sperm

Time: 12318.337

are delivered to that dish, and those could either

Time: 12320.42

be sperm that were frozen previously,

Time: 12322.7

or more typically or ideally, it would be live sperm collected

Time: 12326.21

that day that are washed through a very

Time: 12329.27

straightforward procedure.

Time: 12331.04

And then those sperm either are allowed

Time: 12333.23

to compete for those eggs and fertilize those eggs

Time: 12335.87

and allow them to advance to very early embryo stage

Time: 12339.71

before those embryos are frozen and eventually implanted

Time: 12342.2

into a woman in order to have them be carried to full term,

Time: 12346.5

ideally.

Time: 12347.18

Or there's a procedure in which specific sperm are selected

Time: 12351.26

because they have the best morphology, motility,

Time: 12353.45

and so forth.

Time: 12354.26

And in a process called ICSI, I-C-S-I,

Time: 12357.68

in which the sperm themselves are literally forced

Time: 12361.79

to fertilize that particular egg.

Time: 12364.02

Now, under those conditions, typically a couple or a woman,

Time: 12370.957

if she's doing this on her own with a sperm donor,

Time: 12373.04

will get multiple fertilized embryos

Time: 12376.61

that are carried to a multicellular stage

Time: 12380.18

so that it's clear that they could grow into a child

Time: 12383.45

if they were implanted into a viable host--

Time: 12386.507

sometimes the surrogate, sometimes the woman

Time: 12388.34

who wants the child herself.

Time: 12390.17

And under those conditions, it is

Time: 12391.88

possible to look at the genetic makeup,

Time: 12393.77

including the karyotype, of those early nascent

Time: 12397.04

embryos, in which case people really can select

Time: 12400.31

the sex of their offspring.

Time: 12401.48

That is, they will have some embryos that are

Time: 12405.26

XX, some embryos that are XY.

Time: 12407.51

It's very likely, also, that they

Time: 12409.01

will have some embryos that have karyotypes or genotypes which

Time: 12413.24

are not ideal in that they would potentially

Time: 12416.33

lead to a miscarriage or some other genetic defect.

Time: 12418.58

And so, typically, people do not select

Time: 12421.4

to implant those embryos if they have the option

Time: 12425.12

to implant embryos that are of either XX or XY karyotype

Time: 12430.49

and the normal chromosomal arrangements

Time: 12433.67

for obvious reasons.

Time: 12436.07

So the whole point here is that sex selection is possible,

Time: 12440.03

but only using in-vitro fertilization.

Time: 12443.18

The other thing that is becoming clear to us

Time: 12445.7

in more recent years is that sex selection is actually

Time: 12449.3

possible at the level of the sperm even prior

Time: 12451.97

to fertilization.

Time: 12453.21

This is an emerging data set, and this is largely

Time: 12456.47

happening in clinics outside of the United States.

Time: 12458.69

But there are some clinics that have figured out methods

Time: 12461.12

in which they can take a sperm sample

Time: 12463.19

and they can spin that sperm sample in a centrifuge

Time: 12466.7

at a rate that separates out the sperm into what

Time: 12469.4

are called different fractions.

Time: 12470.85

So for those of you who've done a little bit of biology

Time: 12472.4

with centrifuge, it's when you spin any kind of substance

Time: 12475.31

that includes multiple things in it of different weights.

Time: 12478.165

When you spin them, the things of different weights

Time: 12480.29

segregate out into different fractions

Time: 12482.423

along the depth of the tube.

Time: 12483.59

And then you can take out one fraction or the next

Time: 12485.81

simply with a little pipette.

Time: 12486.86

You take out the top fraction, the middle fraction,

Time: 12488.985

and so forth.

Time: 12489.6

And what these clinics have figured out

Time: 12491.24

is that if they spin the sperm sample at the correct spin rate

Time: 12496.07

that the sperm that will give rise

Time: 12499.1

to male offspring and the sperm that will give rise

Time: 12502.67

to female offspring segregate out into different fractions,

Time: 12505.73

allowing them to take each of those fractions separately

Time: 12509.69

and to apply them to eggs, if it's in-vitro fertilization,

Time: 12513.71

and give rise very reliably, certainly much more

Time: 12517.13

than chance, to either male or female embryos.

Time: 12521.39

They also, of course, can choose to do

Time: 12523.76

this outside the context of in-vitro fertilization.

Time: 12526.2

So some people are now opting to have their sperm samples spun

Time: 12529.67

out in this way, separate out the sperm that give rise

Time: 12532.85

to male or female offspring, and then

Time: 12534.59

to only use the fraction that they are interested in--

Time: 12538.59

so if they want a boy, they'll use one fraction.

Time: 12540.59

If they want a girl, they'll use different fraction--

Time: 12543.02

and then to use those fractions in the context of what's

Time: 12546.65

called IUI, or intrauterine insemination, which

Time: 12549.98

is, as the name suggests, rather than having the man deliver

Time: 12554

the ejaculate with his penis and the sperm with his penis,

Time: 12556.46

they have a device.

Time: 12557.99

The devices are now commercially sold.

Time: 12559.89

Believe it or not, they're sold over-the-counter

Time: 12561.89

and on the internet, so people will even do this at home.

Time: 12564.21

And so what they're doing is they'll take the sperm,

Time: 12566.377

and they'll do IUI in order to bias the probability

Time: 12571.1

that they're going to get a male or a female offspring.

Time: 12573.62

Again, this is something that's now emerging.

Time: 12576.32

It's not commonplace.

Time: 12577.91

Most of the time, people simply roll the dice, as it were,

Time: 12582.26

by having either intercourse and just hoping for or not

Time: 12586.43

caring if they get a male or a female offspring

Time: 12589.01

or, in the instance of IVF, selecting

Time: 12591.05

male or female offspring, sometimes largely

Time: 12593.18

on the basis of the chromosomal arrangements.

Time: 12595.1

So of course, some people might prefer

Time: 12598.79

to have one or the other biological sex

Time: 12601.1

as their offspring.

Time: 12602.07

But of course, the healthy chromosomal arrangements

Time: 12605.18

are going to be paramount for getting a healthy child.

Time: 12608.03

And as I mentioned before, unhealthy chromosomal

Time: 12611.24

arrangements or abnormal chromosomal arrangements

Time: 12613.34

often lead to miscarriage and/or birth defects.

Time: 12616.53

So selecting for healthy chromosomal arrangements

Time: 12619.55

is always paramount, but some people

Time: 12621.29

are selecting for biological sex.

Time: 12622.88

And indeed, some couples who can conceive naturally

Time: 12627.41

are opting for IUI in order to be

Time: 12630.86

able to select biological sex because of this ability

Time: 12633.74

to spin out the sperm samples to different fractions

Time: 12637.04

and select the male or female sperm.

Time: 12639.98

That is, the sperm that would give rise

Time: 12641.63

to a male or female offspring.

Time: 12643.02

So this is a rapidly emerging theme, believe it or not.

Time: 12646.98

Who knew?

Time: 12648.17

And of course, it has nothing to do with Aristotle's assertions

Time: 12650.87

about what people are thinking about at the point

Time: 12652.912

of ejaculation, nor does it have anything

Time: 12654.86

to do with body position at the point of ejaculation.

Time: 12657.86

But I do find it rather interesting

Time: 12659.51

that, even in this day and age, people

Time: 12662.21

seem to be continually pursuing new and different ways

Time: 12665.87

to understand why one sperm or another sperm

Time: 12668.57

happens to fertilize the egg.

Time: 12671.55

And when that information is not available,

Time: 12673.99

because, frankly, it's not available yet--

Time: 12675.74

we don't know why a sperm containing

Time: 12677.96

a Y chromosome or a sperm containing an X chromosome

Time: 12680.42

is more likely to fertilize an egg.

Time: 12682.005

And there are some ideas, for instance,

Time: 12683.63

that older fathers tend to have more daughters as opposed

Time: 12686.15

to sons.

Time: 12686.767

But when you really look at the data, it's pretty mixed.

Time: 12689.1

So if you've heard that before, it

Time: 12691.607

has a particular nickname that I'm not going

Time: 12693.44

to describe on the podcast.

Time: 12694.637

You can look it up online.

Time: 12695.72

But if any of you are aware of any other kind of ideals

Time: 12699.8

or lore, no matter how ridiculous or crazy, please

Time: 12702.328

put them in the comment section on YouTube.

Time: 12704.12

I'd be very curious to learn about those, mostly out

Time: 12707.09

of interest and curiosity.

Time: 12709.43

But, look, sometimes these outrageous stories,

Time: 12712.34

such as notions of body position and how they influence

Time: 12715.905

biological sex, even though they turn out not to be true,

Time: 12718.28

turn out to be interesting for other reasons.

Time: 12720.327

And in fact, next, we're going to talk

Time: 12721.91

about how body position during sexual intercourse

Time: 12724.55

can, in fact, influence fertility and pregnancy.

Time: 12728.64

So another common theme around fertility and pregnancy

Time: 12731.18

that you'll hear about is that, for couples

Time: 12733.31

that are trying to get pregnant, that during intercourse they

Time: 12737.21

should do whatever it is that works for them,

Time: 12739.64

but then after the man ejaculates

Time: 12743.18

that the woman should try and position

Time: 12745.31

her ankles above her head or somehow otherwise tilt

Time: 12750.23

her pelvis back in order to increase the rate and/or

Time: 12754.19

probability that the sperm swim toward the egg,

Time: 12757.59

as opposed to the other direction.

Time: 12759.38

Now, I talked to a couple of different OB/GYNs

Time: 12762.47

and urologists that are focused on fertility about this topic,

Time: 12766.67

and it turns out you get pretty mixed answers as to

Time: 12769.04

whether or not there's any validity to this idea

Time: 12771.38

that the woman's body position after the man ejaculates

Time: 12774.83

inside of her can somehow influence

Time: 12777.38

the probability of pregnancy.

Time: 12778.85

One group of experts told me that there

Time: 12781.16

is no reason for a woman to need to continue

Time: 12783.56

to lie down, elevate the ankles, or in any way

Time: 12787.04

tilt her pelvis back in order to increase

Time: 12789.65

the probability of successful fertilization.

Time: 12792.83

The other group suggested that indeed there is a strong reason

Time: 12797.12

to believe that tilting the pelvis back, maybe even keeping

Time: 12801.11

the ankles elevated, and having a woman lie

Time: 12803.94

on her back for about 15 minutes with the pelvis positioned

Time: 12807.99

at about 20 degrees back is ideal for optimizing

Time: 12813.21

fertilization.

Time: 12813.815

I mean, they were really specific

Time: 12815.19

about the recommendations.

Time: 12816.273

So I find this interesting that, within the cohort of extremely

Time: 12820.89

well trained MDs, OB/GYNs and urology fertility docs,

Time: 12825.51

and OB/GYNs, you see a split.

Time: 12827.58

It has nothing to do with whether or not

Time: 12829.29

the physician was male or female or their training

Time: 12832.92

or their institution, none of that.

Time: 12834.59

There just seemed to be a sort of even split between the two.

Time: 12836.74

Now, granted, it wasn't the largest sample size

Time: 12838.5

that I could have obtained.

Time: 12839.625

And yet I do find it interesting that there's

Time: 12842.09

this split in the opinion about this.

Time: 12845.04

One group, the group that said, no, pelvic position doesn't

Time: 12848.94

really matter, don't worry about it,

Time: 12851.62

it's not going to influence the rates of fertilization,

Time: 12854.46

argued that the sperm swim very quickly

Time: 12857.595

and that if they are released near the cervix

Time: 12859.47

they're going to swim very quickly toward the egg

Time: 12862.08

in order to fertilize it regardless of pelvic position.

Time: 12865.86

The other group said, well, yes, sperm swim quickly

Time: 12870.09

and even if they're released right at the entry

Time: 12872.91

to the cervix that the sperm still have a long distance

Time: 12876.58

to go.

Time: 12877.08

Again, if you were to scale this according

Time: 12879.36

to the size of the sperm versus the size of a human body,

Time: 12882.57

an entire human body, what you'd scale it to

Time: 12885.09

is the distance between Los Angeles and San Francisco.

Time: 12887.34

And it needs to undergo that basically within 24 hours

Time: 12889.77

or so.

Time: 12890.04

Although, as we mentioned earlier,

Time: 12891.457

sperm can survive quite a while inside

Time: 12894.09

of the woman's body-- maybe three or five days at least.

Time: 12897.85

So in both cases they acknowledge

Time: 12899.245

it's a long distance.

Time: 12900.12

But on the one hand, you have a group

Time: 12901.83

of experts that are saying the sperm more or less know what

Time: 12904.315

to do and are going to do it regardless

Time: 12905.94

of the position of the woman after ejaculation inside her

Time: 12909.06

and the other group saying, no, we

Time: 12911.06

want to do everything we can to bias

Time: 12912.6

the likelihood that the sperm will fertilize the egg.

Time: 12916.17

Well, setting aside the basic argument

Time: 12919.92

that tilting back at the pelvis and lying stationary or so

Time: 12925.02

for about 15 minutes after sexual intercourse

Time: 12928.35

and ejaculation is not an expensive endeavor,

Time: 12933.69

although it requires a little bit of time.

Time: 12936.21

And it forces people to remain motionless or close

Time: 12939.42

to motionless, and they're not up and around and moving about.

Time: 12942.69

Aside from that, it's a relatively low investment.

Time: 12945.4

So one argument is, well, if it could

Time: 12947.43

bias the likelihood of fertilization at all

Time: 12950.82

and people want to get pregnant, why wouldn't they do that?

Time: 12954.807

So that's a reasonable argument.

Time: 12956.14

But it doesn't really point to the mechanism.

Time: 12958.41

The arguments that point to a potential mechanism are that--

Time: 12961.518

if you recall what we were talking about when we talked

Time: 12963.81

about sperm quality, sperm quality

Time: 12966.055

involves a bunch of different measures,

Time: 12967.68

like concentration of sperm per milliliter of semen,

Time: 12971.25

morphology of those sperm, how many are forward motile.

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It turns out that in any one ejaculate sample,

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the total number of forward motile and yet fast forward

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motile sperm that are also of the highest quality morphology

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is actually quite low.

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And so the idea here is that you want

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to get as many sperm of the highest quality

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swimming toward the egg because those sperm stand the highest

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probability of fertilizing that egg.

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And in fact, this relates to some of the discussion we were

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having earlier about behavioral dos and don'ts for sake

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of increasing the probability of fertilization.

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And the one that is most important here is cannabis.

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It turns out that the data on cannabis

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really do support the idea that some of you

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may have heard from parents and teachers--

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I don't know, I did hear this from parents and teachers--

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that cannabis can disrupt the swimming styles of sperm

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in ways that are not supportive of fertilization,

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that it can turn more of the sperm into twitchers.

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Although when I learned about this,

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I was not informed of the word "twitchers."

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What I was told is that, if you use cannabis,

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that the sperm don't know which direction to go,

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that they're confused, almost implying

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that the sperm themselves are high on cannabis.

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Well, that's certainly not the argument that I'm making here.

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But it does seem to be the case that people

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who use cannabis, even once, the sperm that are generated

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during that particular month or two months during which

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or after which they use cannabis have

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less forward motility and possibly altered morphology,

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as well.

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I want to be very clear, I did not

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say that if you use cannabis once you are forever

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disrupting the motility and morphology of your sperm.

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I did not say that.

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What I said is that if you use cannabis once,

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then the sperm that are generated in the 60 days

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after that cannabis use are going

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to have a higher incidence of disrupted motility and perhaps

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morphology as well.

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Remember, sperm are continually generated every 60 days or so.

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And so if you use cannabis once, you are not forever

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disrupting your sperm.

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But if you are using cannabis and then you

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are looking to conceive in the next 60 days,

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you are going to be reducing, we think significantly so,

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the number of quality forwardly motile sperm.

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So the simple takeaway from this is avoid cannabis use.

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Although if you are going to use cannabis-- and again,

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there are medical uses of cannabis

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and beneficial uses of cannabis for certain populations.

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It can be bad for other populations.

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We talked about that in the Huberman Lab podcast

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all about cannabis.

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But if you're going to use cannabis,

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you should try and abstain from cannabis in the two months

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prior to the attempt to fertilize and get pregnant.

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Now, I'm not aware of any data on how

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cannabis use by the woman can influence the likelihood

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of fertilization and pregnancy.

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And I want to couch this whole discussion around cannabis

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under the umbrella of something that came up in the episode

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that I did on cannabis, which is that, for about half

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of people out there, male and female--

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so here we're not distinguishing by biological sex.

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About half of people that use cannabis

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report it as an aphrodisiac.

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It makes them want to have sexual intercourse more than

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if they don't use cannabis.

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And for the other half, it actually

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has the opposite effect by way of an influence on a hormone

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called prolactin, which suppresses

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the dopamine system, the testosterone,

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and the estrogenic system.

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And so this whole idea that cannabis is an aphrodisiac

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seems to be true for about half of the human population and not

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for the other half of the human population.

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So I mention that because I know a number of people

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use cannabis as an aphrodisiac.

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They like to use cannabis before intercourse.

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It was actually very surprising to me

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to discover when I researched that cannabis

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episode that approximately 15% of women who are pregnant

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continue to use cannabis during pregnancy.

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And that's a very alarming statistic.

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And everything we know is that the use of cannabis

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during pregnancy is detrimental to the health and particularly

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the brain development of the fetus.

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So that's a real concern.

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I highly recommend women abstain from cannabis use

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during pregnancy.

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Talk to your OB/GYN about it if you're using it all

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or considering using at all.

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So based on what I told you earlier about the fact

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that cannabis use is not good for egg quality and the fact

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that cannabis use can disrupt the motility of sperm

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and therefore is not good for sperm quality

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and it can disrupt the patterns of swimming in sperm in ways

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that reduce the likelihood of fertility,

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I think the take-home message is clear, which is that

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whether or not you want to be a cannabis user

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or not, if you are going to try and conceive

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and certainly while you're pregnant,

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you're going to want to avoid the use of cannabis.

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And that is smoked cannabis and vaped cannabis.

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And during pregnancy, the consumption

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of cannabis even in edible form or in tincture form

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is also going to be detrimental to the developing fetus.

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But of course, we started this conversation

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in the context of body position, in particular

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at the point of ejaculation, in determining

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the sex of the offspring and/or the likelihood of getting

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a successful fertilization in pregnancy.

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And I think that given that the tilting back of the pelvis--

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so again, this is elevating the pelvis by about 20 degrees--

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I don't think it has to be exact, exact--

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but about 20 degrees for about 15 minutes post-ejaculation

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inside of the woman-- or I suppose

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if people are using IUI, intrauterine insemination.

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Since that seems to be the consensus among those experts

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that believe that pelvic tilt backward

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can be beneficial for increasing the probability

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of fertilization and given that it involves

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no cost but a little bit of time seems to me that,

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if you want to get pregnant, that that

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would be the right thing to do.

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And as far as I know, there's no information

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nor was I able to obtain any recommendations from experts

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about what the ideal body position of the male

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is after ejaculation if the goal is

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to increase the probability of fertilization in pregnancy.

Time: 13337.45

So we've been talking about behavioral interventions,

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some dos and some don'ts that people can do to increase

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their fertility, and the likelihood that any fertilized

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egg will be carried to term successfully.

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And soon we'll also talk about things

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that people can take to improve their fertility.

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Now, keep in mind that this entire discussion

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is about fertility.

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But also remember, as we discussed

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at the beginning of the episode, trying

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to increase your fertility is one of the best ways

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to think about trying to create and maintain

Time: 13367.29

optimal physical health.

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So for people that are trying to conceive

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and for people who are not trying to conceive,

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optimizing your fertility status, whether or not

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you're male or female, is one of the best ways

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to target those approaches.

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And there are now a lot of data supporting the idea

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that acupuncture of all things can

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be very beneficial for improving both female and male fertility

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and, should a woman get pregnant,

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for improving the quality of outcomes-- that

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is, the likelihood that there will

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be a successful pregnancy that is carried to term,

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not premature, and so on and so forth.

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Now, for some of you out there, you

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might think, oh, of course, acupuncture,

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acupuncture has been known to work for thousands of years.

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And therefore, it's not surprising

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that it would assist with fertility and pregnancy.

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For many of you out there, however,

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probably thinking, acupuncture, that

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seems kind of like fringe science.

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But what I can assure you is that there are now

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quite a few clinical trials funded

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by government agencies, like the National Institutes of Health,

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showing that acupuncture is a very effective treatment

Time: 13429.45

for a number of different things,

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including fertility and pregnancy,

Time: 13432.66

but for hormone status, for stress relief,

Time: 13436.56

even for chronic illnesses of different kinds,

Time: 13439.18

including autoimmune illnesses.

Time: 13440.68

So this is no longer considered fringe science.

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In fact, one of the best laboratories

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in the world working on this is a laboratory

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out of Harvard Medical School run by a guy named Qiufu Fu.

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Qiufu's lab has really been exploring in a mechanistic way

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how the different stimulation sites that

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are used in acupuncture-- so where the needles are

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inserted-- tap into neural pathways that

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link the different organs of the body.

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So for instance, they've found that stimulation

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of a particular site on the lower limb

Time: 13469.71

can reduce inflammation dramatically

Time: 13472.08

throughout the body by way of neural pathways

Time: 13475.17

that originate in the lower limb and extend

Time: 13477.66

to areas such as the kidney and the pancreas.

Time: 13479.95

So all these, quote, unquote, "ancient maps"

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of the human body as they relate to acupuncture

Time: 13484.95

are now being parsed at the level of mechanism, which

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I think is wonderful because it not only is showing us

Time: 13490.71

that so much of what has been purported and reported

Time: 13494.19

in the landscape of acupuncture actually

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has an underlying mechanistic basis,

Time: 13498.72

and with additional mechanistic understanding, of course,

Time: 13501.55

always arrive new and better practices.

Time: 13503.77

That's the idea, to evolve these fields of acupuncture,

Time: 13506.88

to evolve the fields of mechanistic understanding

Time: 13508.98

of our biology and health.

Time: 13510.61

And so the issue of whether or not acupuncture can assist

Time: 13514.59

in getting pregnant and in carrying a child to term

Time: 13518.49

and for that child to be healthy are really

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starting to emerge in a major way.

Time: 13523.32

And rather than go into all those data

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in detail, what I can tell you is that there are

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clinical trials and data supporting the fact that

Time: 13529.89

female fertility itself can be supported

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by acupuncture through several mechanisms, one of which

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is the balancing-- and I realize that's a somewhat tricky term,

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and I'll define it better in a moment--

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the balancing of hormones across the ovulatory/menstrual cycle,

Time: 13546.13

including regulating levels of FSH

Time: 13548.19

so that they're not too high nor too low

Time: 13550.32

and restricting the FSH to the follicular

Time: 13553.23

phase of the menstrual cycle, as well as using acupuncture

Time: 13558.63

to improve things like blood flow

Time: 13560.79

and the health of the ovary itself

Time: 13562.62

and other aspects of the female reproductive axis.

Time: 13565.71

So acupuncture can operate at the chemical level, impacting

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hormones.

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It can act at the mechanical level,

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impacting the different tissues through which the egg has

Time: 13575.46

to pass and so on and so forth.

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Likewise, on the male side, acupuncture

Time: 13579.63

has been shown to improve semen volume, quality of sperm,

Time: 13584.4

sperm motility, et cetera, and in large part

Time: 13588.03

through changes in the neural pathways that

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innervate the very tissues and vascular input to the scrotum

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and testicles, because, as we learned earlier,

Time: 13598.77

temperature regulation of the scrotum and testicles

Time: 13600.9

is so vital for getting healthy sperm

Time: 13603.51

and increasing sperm quality.

Time: 13605.41

In addition, there are good data to support the idea

Time: 13608.34

that acupuncture can increase levels of testosterone,

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free testosterone, and the sorts of hormones that

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are going to support healthy hormone production and sperm

Time: 13617.2

production in males.

Time: 13619.18

And this is distinct from applying testosterone

Time: 13623.29

from an exogenous source.

Time: 13624.61

So when we're talking about acupuncture and increasing

Time: 13626.86

levels of testosterone, we're talking about increasing levels

Time: 13629.402

of endogenous testosterone.

Time: 13631.03

So those Leydig cells can support the Sertoli cells,

Time: 13633.7

and the Sertoli cells can make that androgen-binding protein,

Time: 13636.34

and you get enhanced spermatogenesis.

Time: 13638.62

You can find evidence for all of these different features,

Time: 13641.08

both changes to the chemical milieu-- that

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is, the hormones-- and changes to the mechanical milieu,

Time: 13645.34

including, for instance, improvement of the pathways

Time: 13648.64

leading from the seminiferous tubules to the epididymis

Time: 13651.16

to the vas deferens, basically clearing out the plumbing so

Time: 13653.95

that more quality ejaculate can be delivered,

Time: 13656.14

which, of course, is going to increase the probability

Time: 13658.39

of fertilization.

Time: 13659.84

So when you hear that acupuncture

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can improve the likelihood of pregnancy,

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that's an accurate statement for which there are now increasing

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amounts of mechanistic data.

Time: 13668.62

If you want to learn more about how acupuncture

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can be used to contribute to improved fertilization

Time: 13673.84

and pregnancy, there are a number

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of different excellent reviews on this,

Time: 13677.65

both as it relates to females and as it relates to males.

Time: 13681.53

One of the best papers that I happen to like

Time: 13683.98

is one that we'll provide a link to

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in the references entitled "Acupuncture and Herbal

Time: 13687.61

Medicine for Female Fertility, An Overview of Systematic

Time: 13690.58

Review," so a review of reviews.

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This was published recently in 2021.

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We'll provide a link to that.

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And there's also going to be a link to a review that

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relates to acupuncture for male fertility and hormone

Time: 13704.11

augmentation.

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I should just mention briefly that if you're

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going to look at scientific papers,

Time: 13709.51

one thing that you'll want to consider

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is also looking at the references that they reference.

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Now, of course, papers tend to reference a ton of references,

Time: 13716.29

in particular in reviews.

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So what you'll want to do is look

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for the references that are showing up

Time: 13720.7

most often in the introduction.

Time: 13722.77

Those references often are going to be

Time: 13724.9

the most prominent recent reviews or the most important

Time: 13728.17

findings in recent years.

Time: 13729.52

That's not always the case, but that's often the case.

Time: 13731.96

So if you read the first couple of paragraphs of these papers--

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and these are openly available as full text, by the way,

Time: 13737.18

online if you go to these links--

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you'll be able to access the best papers, the most relevant

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papers, in the context of acupuncture supporting

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female and acupuncture supporting male fertility

Time: 13748.63

and hormone status.

Time: 13749.68

Now, I'd like to discuss things that both men and women can

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take in order to maximize their fertility.

Time: 13755.32

And again and again, when we're talking about fertility,

Time: 13759.56

we're talking about people who want to conceive and have

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children, but also we're talking about a basic measure

Time: 13766.58

of overall health status.

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So if you're somebody who does not want to conceive children,

Time: 13770.96

I still encourage you to think about whether or not

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you would want to do certain things

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or not do certain things in order

Time: 13777.11

to maximize your fertility as a means to maximize your vitality

Time: 13781.28

and longevity, because that's really

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what maximizing fertility is about for a lot of people.

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That said, I know a lot of people

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would like to conceive children, perhaps not right away

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but in the future.

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And what I'm about to describe are

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some tools and interventions that is things

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that one can take in order to improve their hormone status

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but also, in particular, the quality of their eggs

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and the quality of their sperm in the short and long term.

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The first on the list of things that people can take in order

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to improve egg quality or sperm quality is L-carnitine.

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L-carnitine is present in various foods,

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in particular in red meats.

Time: 13817.31

But again, it's going to be very hard to get

Time: 13819.32

sufficient levels of L-carnitine to improve egg quality

Time: 13821.9

and sperm quality, the unless you're going

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to take it in supplement form.

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The typical recommendation, based on peer-reviewed studies

Time: 13828.29

that have shown significant improvements in egg quality--

Time: 13830.84

that is chromosomal arrangements,

Time: 13833.09

that is the likelihood of fertility-- or pregnancy,

Time: 13835.91

rather--

Time: 13836.45

the likelihood of sperm being forward

Time: 13839.3

fast swimmers as opposed to twitchers or immotile

Time: 13841.55

and having proper morphology-- all those measures

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has been demonstrated to be significantly improved

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by the ingestion of L-carnitine.

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How much L-carnitine?

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Well, that depends on how you're obtaining the L-carnitine.

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If you're obtaining it in capsule form,

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1 to 3 grams per day of capsule form L-carnitine

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is what's been suggested to improve egg quality and sperm

Time: 13863.39

quality.

Time: 13864.05

Now, 1 to 3 grams per day can be taken all at once

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or spread out throughout the 24-hour cycle.

Time: 13869.33

It can be taken with or without food.

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It does not seem to matter.

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And when taken for a period of 30 to 60 days,

Time: 13877.61

it does seem to significantly improve

Time: 13879.56

all the parameters that have been discussed for egg

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quality and sperm quality.

Time: 13883.64

Now, the mechanism for that effect is pretty clear.

Time: 13886.16

L-carnitine is involved in the processing of lipids, fats,

Time: 13891.53

in terms of mitochondrial function.

Time: 13894.21

And as we talked about before, mitochondria

Time: 13896.42

are vital for the organization and action of the spindle that

Time: 13900.56

pulls apart the chromosomes, taking

Time: 13902.21

that cell within the female from diploid to haploid,

Time: 13906.26

which is essential.

Time: 13907.37

You really want just the 23 individual chromosomal strands.

Time: 13911.12

You don't want chromosomal repeats.

Time: 13913.64

It's also involved in the actual fusion of the egg

Time: 13916.79

as it exits the ovary and enters the ovulation cycle.

Time: 13921.022

Mitochondria are also important, as we talked about before,

Time: 13923.48

for the forward motility of sperm because

Time: 13925.22

of the enrichment of mitochondria

Time: 13926.595

in that mid region just behind the head.

Time: 13928.28

They cause the whipping flagellation

Time: 13930.62

of the tail, allowing for forward movement,

Time: 13932.93

as well as other aspects of cellular morphology.

Time: 13935.31

So it makes a lot of sense as to why L-carnitine supplementation

Time: 13938.847

would be beneficial.

Time: 13939.68

Again, it's 1 to 3 grams per day over a period of about 30

Time: 13942.76

to 60 months.

Time: 13943.453

If you're hoping to conceive in the upcoming months,

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recommend taking it for at least 30 days prior to that.

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Of course, based on the data we talked about before--

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cumulative probability, fecundability,

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et cetera-- there's no reason to not

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continue to try for pregnancy before taking

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L-carnitine, but L-carnitine is going to improve egg and sperm

Time: 13961.07

quality.

Time: 13961.64

And so you might actually take the stance that,

Time: 13965.66

even if you don't have any problem getting pregnant,

Time: 13968.42

wouldn't you want to maximize the quality

Time: 13970.94

of the egg that gets fertilized and the quality of the sperm

Time: 13973.73

that fertilizes that egg?

Time: 13975.27

So that's additional rationale for taking L-carnitine.

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One important note-- if you are going

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to take L-carnitine in oral form, in capsule form,

Time: 13983.66

it can increase something called TMAO.

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TMAO can cause stiffening of the arteries.

Time: 13988.43

You don't want TMAO levels to go too high.

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One way to offset the increases in TMAO caused

Time: 13993.68

by oral L-carnitine is to take 600 milligrams

Time: 13996.95

of garlic per day.

Time: 13998.602

I suppose you could eat cloves of garlic.

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That would work just as well because garlic contains

Time: 14002.26

something called allicin, which can

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offset the increase in TMAO.

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But 600 milligram capsules of garlic are going to be--

Time: 14009.55

or garlic extract, rather--

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is going to be the most probably cost effective and simplest way

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to do this.

Time: 14017.17

And also, they are going to create that garlic smell.

Time: 14019.388

Some people like the smell of garlic.

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Some people don't.

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So if you're going to take oral L-carnitine,

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I suggest also taking 600 milligrams

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a day of garlic extract.

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And you can do that at any time throughout the day.

Time: 14030.11

It doesn't have to be with the L-carnitine.

Time: 14032.442

The next item on the list of compounds that have been shown

Time: 14034.9

to improve egg quality and sperm quality--

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and quite robustly so--

Time: 14038.98

is coenzyme Q10.

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Coenzyme Q10 is something that you can actually measure

Time: 14043.45

levels of in your blood.

Time: 14045.183

Most physicians will say that they

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want to see your levels of coenzyme Q10

Time: 14048.4

to be somewhere between 0.5 and 2.5.

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It's going to depend on the units.

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Most people, I realize, are not going

Time: 14053.632

to run off and get their CoQ10 measured.

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It's not included in most standard blood tests.

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But if you were to measure your CoQ10,

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that's the range that you want to look for.

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That said, many people opt to supplement with CoQ10.

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And you'll find that many fertility docs, OB/GYNs,

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and urologists that are trying to assist their male patients

Time: 14071.08

with fertility will suggest CoQ10

Time: 14072.7

because, again, it supports the health of mitochondria.

Time: 14076.18

Mitochondria are so vital to so many aspects of the formation

Time: 14080.53

and fertilization of the egg and sperm that,

Time: 14085.27

of course, fertilizes the egg.

Time: 14087.58

The coenzyme Q10 dosages that are most often suggested

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and that you'll observe in the peer-reviewed research

Time: 14094.15

literature-- on humans, I should add--

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is 100 to 400 milligrams per day.

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And the coenzyme Q10 is taken generally

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with a meal and ideally a meal that contains fat.

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And there's even some idea that taking coenzyme Q10

Time: 14108.82

with your dinner, assuming that dinner includes some fat-- you

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don't have to add additional fat--

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is going to be more advantageous than taking coenzyme Q10 early

Time: 14117.85

in the day, although that's probably

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a detail that's getting a little too far down in the weeds.

Time: 14121.808

So again, 100 to 400 milligrams of coenzyme Q10 per day,

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whether or not you're a man or a woman,

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for improving the likelihood of fertility

Time: 14129.31

by way of improving egg and sperm quality.

Time: 14131.56

And again, if you're somebody who just doesn't have

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any problem getting pregnant or if you're already producing

Time: 14136.33

many sperm of quality morphology,

Time: 14138.467

this is another case in which you could take a step back

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and say, well, why wouldn't I want to further optimize

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the quality of the egg and the sperm,

Time: 14144.55

because the quality of the egg and the sperm

Time: 14145.96

ultimately are going to determine

Time: 14147.64

not just whether or not you have a successful pregnancy

Time: 14149.95

but are going to determine, admittedly in ways that will

Time: 14154.22

forever remain cryptic to you-- but nonetheless

Time: 14156.62

are going to be important in determining

Time: 14158.54

the qualities of the brain tissue and body

Time: 14161.21

tissue of your offspring.

Time: 14162.71

The third item on the list of compounds which are commonly

Time: 14165.5

suggested or prescribed by fertility docs

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nowadays for men and women wishing

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to conceive and/or optimize their fertility

Time: 14173.48

as a basis for general vitality and health is inositol.

Time: 14177.74

Now, inositol has many uses.

Time: 14179.85

So you'll hear about the use of inositol

Time: 14181.52

for reducing anxiety or improving mood

Time: 14183.663

or even for the treatment of depression.

Time: 14185.33

We talked about inositol in previous episodes

Time: 14187.37

of this podcast.

Time: 14188.81

For instance, I talked about inositol

Time: 14191.51

and in particular taking 900 milligrams of myo-inositol

Time: 14195.29

prior to sleep, which is something that I do,

Time: 14197.48

along with the other supplements that I take and recommend

Time: 14200.33

for sleep, such as magnesium 3 and 8, apigenin, and theanine.

Time: 14204.313

If you're curious about those, you

Time: 14205.73

can see our newsletter on sleep or our "Perfect Your Sleep"

Time: 14208.16

episode or the "Master Your Sleep" episode.

Time: 14209.75

It talks about behavioral and supplementation-based tools

Time: 14212.125

for improving sleep.

Time: 14213.11

But myo-inositol is not just suggested for or prescribed

Time: 14218.21

for people that are wishing to get pregnant

Time: 14221.21

and for general health.

Time: 14222.59

But myo-inositol is often recommended

Time: 14225.32

for people that want to improve egg and sperm quality because

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of the way that it can positively

Time: 14230.99

impact insulin sensitivity.

Time: 14232.85

Insulin sensitivity might sound like a bad thing to people

Time: 14236

out there.

Time: 14236.58

But it turns out that you want to be insulin sensitive.

Time: 14239.84

The last thing you want is to be insulin insensitive.

Time: 14242.48

Insulin insensitivity is associated with type 2

Time: 14244.55

diabetes, with obesity, and even for people

Time: 14246.83

who are not challenged with obesity,

Time: 14249.53

you want your cells to be insulin sensitive.

Time: 14251.867

You don't want a lot of insulin floating around in your system

Time: 14254.45

with your cells unable to use that insulin.

Time: 14257.87

That's really what insulin insensitivity is about.

Time: 14260.15

Myo-inositol, at dosages of 1 to 5 grams per day--

Time: 14265.342

that's pretty high, 1 to 5 grams per day,

Time: 14267.05

keeping in mind that 1,000 milligrams is 1 gram--

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has been suggested to improve egg quality and sperm quality.

Time: 14273.83

Now, one point of--

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I wouldn't say caution-- but of note

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is that myo-inositol can reduce anxiety,

Time: 14279.927

and it can be a slight sedative, which

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is why some folks, including myself, take almost a gram, 900

Time: 14285.5

milligrams, prior to sleep.

Time: 14287.69

If you're going to take 5 grams of myo-inositol,

Time: 14290.84

you would want to restrict that to the late evening

Time: 14293.315

or second half of your day.

Time: 14294.44

And I don't suggest starting that high.

Time: 14296.065

I would start with 1 or 2 grams and then

Time: 14297.95

working your way up, seeing what you

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can tolerate in terms of the level of anti-anxiety

Time: 14303.5

and drowsiness that it produces.

Time: 14306.26

1 to 5 grams per day of myo-inositol

Time: 14308.75

is what's suggested for both men and women wishing to improve

Time: 14312.89

egg health and sperm health.

Time: 14314.18

But for women, it's also often suggested to include also--

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so to take myo-inositol, but to also take D-chiro inositol.

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D-chiro inositol has elements in it

Time: 14326.69

that can be both pro and anti-androgenic.

Time: 14330.11

Androgens are things like testosterone and related

Time: 14332.42

molecules.

Time: 14333.44

There are a number of different causes of infertility

Time: 14336.35

and disruption to egg quality, age being the most

Time: 14339.44

significant factor.

Time: 14340.55

But another significant and very common

Time: 14343.13

factor, even among young women who are of fertile age,

Time: 14346.73

is having too many androgens and as it relates to something

Time: 14350.36

called polycystic ovarian syndrome.

Time: 14352.37

We'll do an entire episode about menopause and PCOS

Time: 14354.775

and a number of other things that

Time: 14356.15

relate to fertility because it's an entire and very

Time: 14359.78

interesting other discussion that we need to have.

Time: 14362.19

But the recommendation is that women

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take 1 to 5 grams of myo-inositol

Time: 14366.26

but also D-chiro inositol because of the ways

Time: 14370.16

that it can balance androgens and offset some

Time: 14373.07

of the negative effects of polycystic ovarian syndrome

Time: 14376.31

or even for women who do not have polycystic ovarian

Time: 14378.92

syndrome because of the ways that D-chiro inositol can

Time: 14381.83

balance androgens in ways that are beneficial.

Time: 14384.71

The dosages of D-chiro inositol that are recommended

Time: 14388.55

tend to be 1/25 to 1/40 of the myo-inositol dose.

Time: 14393.01

So you'll have to get out your calculator.

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Remember, 1,000 milligrams equals 1 gram.

Time: 14396.95

So figure out, if you're taking 1 gram of myo-inositol

Time: 14399.74

per day or 2 grams, you're going to want

Time: 14402.11

to convert that to milligrams.

Time: 14403.76

So let's say you're taking 2 grams of myo-inositol per day.

Time: 14407.18

That's 2,000 milligrams.

Time: 14408.38

Then you'd want to divide that by 25.

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And that's how many milligrams of D-chiro inositol

Time: 14413.96

you would want to take, as well.

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Or you could go with the lower end dose and divide it by 40

Time: 14418.73

and take that number of milligrams of D-chiro inositol

Time: 14423.08

along with the inositol.

Time: 14424.31

Again, probably taking it later in the day is going to be good.

Time: 14427.16

And it's not clear at all that taking it

Time: 14429.373

with food or without food makes any difference whatsoever.

Time: 14431.79

So I would suggest you do either.

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Keep in mind, as I'm discussing these recommendations,

Time: 14436.26

I may call them prescriptions.

Time: 14437.51

But none of these are prescription drugs.

Time: 14439.218

And of course, you should always discuss any supplements

Time: 14441.74

that you're planning to take or stop taking, for that matter,

Time: 14444.8

with your physician.

Time: 14445.67

I don't say that to protect me.

Time: 14446.962

I say that to protect you.

Time: 14448.107

Any time you're going to add or change

Time: 14449.69

something in your overall health regimen,

Time: 14451.398

you want to discuss that with your trusted health care

Time: 14454.2

professional, typically, I would hope, a board-certified MD.

Time: 14457.5

The fourth item in the list of commonly suggested supplements

Time: 14461.55

for men and women wishing to optimize egg and sperm quality,

Time: 14465.36

respectively, is omega-3 fatty acids.

Time: 14468.477

And now, here, we're talking about something

Time: 14470.31

that could be obtained from food and can be obtained from food.

Time: 14472.935

So if you're consuming fatty ocean fish, things

Time: 14475.89

like sardines, anchovies, salmon with the skin,

Time: 14479.19

chances are you're going to get some quality omega-3s.

Time: 14482.61

Omega-3s are also available in plant-based sources.

Time: 14485.65

It's also available in krill, for that matter.

Time: 14487.98

But most people find it difficult to reach

Time: 14489.93

the threshold required for optimizing

Time: 14493.2

mental health and physical health

Time: 14494.61

that is the threshold of the EPA essential fatty acids.

Time: 14497.83

And so for that matter, I've suggested

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before on this podcast--

Time: 14501.27

and many fertility docs will suggest--

Time: 14503.31

that their patients take omega-3 fatty acids in supplement form.

Time: 14508.22

It could be taken in liquid form or in capsule form,

Time: 14510.56

but enough of those that you're getting at least 1 gram per day

Time: 14513.95

of the EPA form of omega-3, so at least 1 gram per day

Time: 14517.82

and as high as 2 or even 3 grams per day of the EPA form.

Time: 14521.625

So you'll need to look at the packaging

Time: 14523.25

because oftentimes it'll say high potency omega-3.

Time: 14525.86

It'll say 1,500 milligrams of omega-3s.

Time: 14530.06

But that's not 1,500 milligrams of the EPA form.

Time: 14533.028

You look on the back of the label, and it'll say,

Time: 14535.07

each serving contains 750 milligrams of EPA.

Time: 14538.88

You want to get above that 1 gram dosage per day

Time: 14542.12

and as high as 3 grams per day of the EPAs.

Time: 14545.06

The most cost-effective way to do

Time: 14546.47

that is going to be liquid-form omegas,

Time: 14548.652

but that's a little bit inconvenient for many people,

Time: 14550.86

and some people don't like the taste.

Time: 14552.402

That's why they rely on the capsule-form omegas.

Time: 14554.66

And of course, there are compounds

Time: 14556.31

that can impact fertility status, quality

Time: 14558.92

of eggs, quality of sperm, not by adjusting mitochondria

Time: 14562.55

or insulin sensitivity or creating

Time: 14565.01

a general milieu of support for the egg and the sperm

Time: 14568.46

production and function, such as the compounds that I just

Time: 14572.6

listed off do, but rather compounds

Time: 14576.28

that influence the hormones involved

Time: 14578.17

in the generation of sperm and the generation of the eggs,

Time: 14580.72

involved in the ovulatory cycle and the spermatogenesis cycle,

Time: 14584.02

that is.

Time: 14584.74

Now, these are going to come in different forms.

Time: 14587.57

And I want to just emphasize that the supplements that

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do this, that adjust hormones in these ways that

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can be beneficial, are distinct from hormone therapy

Time: 14596.35

or bioidentical hormones, distinct from hormone therapy

Time: 14599.733

or bioidentical hormones, because,

Time: 14601.15

as we discussed earlier, when you take

Time: 14603.88

a hormone like testosterone or even estrogen, for that matter,

Time: 14606.59

from an exogenous, an outside source,

Time: 14608.38

you're going to disrupt the feedback pathways

Time: 14610.797

inside of your body, and you're going to shut down

Time: 14612.88

your own endogenous production.

Time: 14614.65

The supplements I'm about to describe do not do that

Time: 14618.31

and yet can adjust levels of hormones in more subtle ways

Time: 14621.7

that can be beneficial for the process of maximizing fertility

Time: 14626.29

for males and for females.

Time: 14627.85

The first of which on this list that I'd like to discuss

Time: 14630.305

has been discussed in previous podcasts

Time: 14631.93

as well, which is a substance called tongkat ali.

Time: 14634.63

Tongkat ali also goes by other names.

Time: 14637.42

But when taken at 400 milligrams per day,

Time: 14640.03

sometimes separated into two dosages

Time: 14641.59

but typically taken as once a day early in the day

Time: 14644.92

because they can be a little bit stimulating, although not

Time: 14648.28

anxiety provoking--

Time: 14649.12

I've never heard of that.

Time: 14650.362

It can be a little bit stimulating.

Time: 14651.82

But 400 milligrams a day of tongkat ali

Time: 14653.71

has been shown to increase free testosterone

Time: 14656.608

by way of reducing something called sex hormone binding

Time: 14658.9

globulin.

Time: 14659.4

It's also been shown to increase luteinizing hormone,

Time: 14661.9

the net effect of which has been described

Time: 14664.57

as a subtle but significant increase in libido

Time: 14668.65

and some of the other parameters associated with increased

Time: 14671.86

androgens, like free testosterone in males

Time: 14673.84

and females.

Time: 14674.35

So a number of people out there are taking tongkat ali

Time: 14676.6

in this way--

Time: 14677.142

400 milligrams per day, restricted

Time: 14678.61

to the early part of the day, with or without food.

Time: 14682.45

People always ask, do you need to cycle tongkat ali?

Time: 14684.88

I'm not aware of any need to cycle tongkat ali.

Time: 14687.07

In fact, it tends to work better,

Time: 14688.75

meaning the effects on libido and some other hormone profiles

Time: 14692.11

tend to increase over time.

Time: 14693.82

Again, tongkat ali is an option.

Time: 14696.31

Certainly, none of these things are requirements.

Time: 14698.44

We're simply listing off options.

Time: 14699.97

But many people, both males and females,

Time: 14702.22

seem to benefit from and like tongkat ali,

Time: 14705.34

even if they're not seeking to conceive.

Time: 14707.53

There's no reason to think that tongkat ali directly

Time: 14709.9

improves sperm quality.

Time: 14711.49

Except in males, the increase in androgen created by tongkat ali

Time: 14715.12

supplementation can indeed lead to improved spermatogenesis.

Time: 14718.93

So there's a growing amount of data in the research

Time: 14721.627

literature on tongkat ali.

Time: 14722.71

Many people find it beneficial.

Time: 14724.34

And so it's something that both men and women wishing

Time: 14726.61

to conceive and/or optimize their fertility just

Time: 14729.01

as a general health parameter might want to explore.

Time: 14731.86

The other supplement that's been shown to improve both egg

Time: 14735.64

quality and sperm quality--

Time: 14738.46

and there I'm referring to a number

Time: 14739.937

of different parameters related to egg quality and sperm

Time: 14742.27

quality--

Time: 14742.9

as well as to increase libido fairly substantially

Time: 14746.92

is a substance called Shilajit.

Time: 14748.87

Shilajit, spelled S-H-I-L-A-G-I-T--

Time: 14753.55

Shilajit is actually a compound that's

Time: 14757.18

used in ayurvedic medicine, but there

Time: 14759.04

are some really good research studies exploring

Time: 14761.5

the supplementation with Shilajit at about 250

Time: 14765.34

milligrams twice per day.

Time: 14767.12

And this has been looked at in males and in females.

Time: 14769.66

And it does seem to significantly increase

Time: 14771.97

two hormones.

Time: 14772.93

One is testosterone, and the other

Time: 14775.12

is follicle-stimulating hormone.

Time: 14777.43

And for that reason, Shilajit is often considered a tonic

Time: 14781.06

that people use both as an aphrodisiac to increase libido

Time: 14785.53

as well as to increase fertility.

Time: 14788.08

Now, one note of caution, if you're a woman

Time: 14790.99

and you're considering taking Shilajit in order

Time: 14792.983

to increase testosterone and follicle-stimulating hormone,

Time: 14795.4

keep in mind that the ovulatory cycle

Time: 14797.08

is this very tightly regulated cycle in which you

Time: 14801.28

want low but elevated levels of follicle-stimulating hormone

Time: 14805.3

early in the follicular phase, then

Time: 14807.01

it peaks right before ovulation, and then low levels

Time: 14810.087

of follicle-stimulating hormone in the second half

Time: 14812.17

of your cycle.

Time: 14812.77

For that reason, using Shilajit chronically

Time: 14815.8

around the entire course of your ovulatory cycle

Time: 14818.74

could be a little bit risky, and I'd

Time: 14820.24

recommend that you talk to your OB/GYN prior to doing that

Time: 14824.38

or if doing that at all.

Time: 14826.72

For males, it's a little bit less of an issue,

Time: 14828.67

because, as I mentioned earlier, sperm are constantly

Time: 14830.878

being generated, and the presence of FSH

Time: 14833.83

is going to increase spermatogenesis.

Time: 14836.32

Now, Shilajit is not FSH itself.

Time: 14839.23

Shilajit stimulates the release of FSH.

Time: 14842.26

And it stimulates the release of testosterone.

Time: 14844.24

So again, there's no reason to think

Time: 14845.74

that it would shut down your endogenous testosterone or FSH

Time: 14848.56

production.

Time: 14849.91

Although there are limited amount of data that really

Time: 14852.4

explore that in detail.

Time: 14853.78

Many people use Shilajit in order

Time: 14856.57

to increase their testosterone, FSH,

Time: 14858.82

their libido, and various aspects of sperm health.

Time: 14863.95

Again, the dosages of Shilajit are about 250 milligrams,

Time: 14866.83

two times per day.

Time: 14867.67

One issue with Shilajit is it often

Time: 14869.14

comes as a tar, which is a little hard to measure out

Time: 14872.11

the dosages.

Time: 14872.86

Yes, a tar.

Time: 14873.94

It's this kind of thick, gummy substance

Time: 14876.04

that you're supposed to dissolve in water.

Time: 14877.79

And the recommendations are you take a little bead

Time: 14879.873

and dissolve it in water.

Time: 14881.04

It is available in capsule form where

Time: 14882.71

the ability to control the dosage

Time: 14885.56

is made a little bit easier.

Time: 14886.95

But of course, as with any supplement,

Time: 14888.65

I recommend starting with the lowest possible dosage.

Time: 14891.08

So you might want to start with a very small bead of Shilajit

Time: 14894.8

dissolved in water, taken once per day,

Time: 14896.79

and then increase the dosage as needed

Time: 14898.85

in order to obtain the effects that you want.

Time: 14901.4

Things like Shilajit start to bring us

Time: 14903.5

into the realm of what can only be

Time: 14905.33

described as a little bit unwieldy, right?

Time: 14907.1

Here we're saying you can't really control the dosage.

Time: 14908.99

Now you're talking about hormones

Time: 14910.365

that need to be tightly regulated, at least for females

Time: 14912.77

across the ovarian cycle.

Time: 14913.91

For males, yes, it has been shown

Time: 14915.59

to increase testosterone and FSH,

Time: 14917.72

improve sperm motility and sperm count pretty significantly.

Time: 14921.65

No reason to think that you couldn't do that chronically

Time: 14923.99

with Shilajit.

Time: 14924.65

And yet, I do want to acknowledge that Shilajit,

Time: 14927.44

as this black tar substance, contains

Time: 14929.99

a lot of different things.

Time: 14931.2

In fact, it comes from a mineral pitch.

Time: 14933.14

What is that?

Time: 14933.76

It comes from literally the dirt and plants

Time: 14936.2

that have been compressed by rocks in the Himalayas.

Time: 14938.56

So that's pretty esoteric stuff when it really

Time: 14940.622

comes down to it.

Time: 14941.33

But the biological effects of Shilajit,

Time: 14943.7

in both males and females, seem to be related to the fact

Time: 14946.49

that it is highly enriched in something called folic acid,

Time: 14949.46

and folic acid is involved in a lot

Time: 14951.17

of different cellular processes, not the least of which,

Time: 14953.78

at least in this context, is the transport of molecules

Time: 14957.92

across cell membranes.

Time: 14959.337

And for hormones to have their effect,

Time: 14960.92

they need to cross cell membranes on the outside

Time: 14962.92

and the inside of the cell.

Time: 14964.588

So maybe that's how it's having its effect.

Time: 14966.38

Again, the mechanisms of exactly how Shilajit increases

Time: 14969.92

testosterone and FSH and thereby libido, egg quality,

Time: 14973.31

and sperm quality aren't entirely clear.

Time: 14975.32

But for the more adventurous of you out there

Time: 14978.068

who want to experiment with Shilajit,

Time: 14979.61

whether or not you're trying to conceive or not,

Time: 14982.43

it might be something to consider.

Time: 14983.87

But of course, do talk to your physician.

Time: 14985.7

The next compound that I want to discuss is zinc.

Time: 14988.91

And this discussion mainly pertains to males,

Time: 14991.31

although I, of course, should point out

Time: 14993.26

that females should get the recommended daily allowance

Time: 14996.74

of zinc each day.

Time: 14998

Males, on the other hand, seem to benefit

Time: 15000.58

from having additionally high levels of zinc intake.

Time: 15004.163

Now, that can be obtained through foods.

Time: 15005.83

You often hear, oh, oysters are enriched in zinc,

Time: 15008.62

and oysters are an aphrodisiac.

Time: 15011.205

I don't know who's doing the marketing for oysters,

Time: 15013.33

but it's really terrific.

Time: 15015.08

I think that seems to have persisted.

Time: 15016.69

And maybe it's true.

Time: 15019.51

Oysters are enriched in zinc.

Time: 15021.04

What does zinc do for fertility?

Time: 15023.87

Well, in males, we know, based on a really nice set

Time: 15026.74

of studies, that zinc dosages that

Time: 15029.23

are pretty high of about 120 milligrams

Time: 15031.72

taken twice per day--

Time: 15033.73

that's quite a lot-- with meals can significantly

Time: 15037.24

increase testosterone and dihydrotestosterone.

Time: 15040.54

And this probably shouldn't come as a surprise to us.

Time: 15042.86

It turns out that zinc is highly enriched in human testes

Time: 15046.54

and in the testes of other animals,

Time: 15048.2

including fish and other mammals.

Time: 15049.72

And it was actually in 1921 that it was observed in fish

Time: 15054.76

that zinc levels skyrocket in the testes of fish

Time: 15058.54

during their breeding season.

Time: 15060.02

So zinc is correlated with increases in breeding,

Time: 15062.973

but you never know which direction

Time: 15064.39

that correlation is running.

Time: 15065.77

It turns out that zinc in both animals,

Time: 15069.56

including fish, other mammals, and in humans, strongly

Time: 15073.06

impacts the enzymatic functions in the testes,

Time: 15075.55

including the function of androgen-binding protein.

Time: 15078.8

So it seems that high levels of zinc

Time: 15080.38

can increase spermatogenesis and testosterone

Time: 15082.75

levels very significantly.

Time: 15085.193

This was explored in a really nice study

Time: 15086.86

that I'll provide a reference to.

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It's an older study.

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But I really like.

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It's called "Effect of Zinc Administration

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on Plasma Testosterone, Dihydrotestosterone,

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and Sperm Count."

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This is but just one study among many now.

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This dates back to 1981, but there have been studies

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subsequently that point to the fact that supplementation

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with zinc at those high levels can really

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be helpful in terms of increasing

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sperm count, testosterone, and even

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testicular size, of all things.

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So one important point about taking

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zinc-- this 120 milligrams of zinc two times daily

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definitely needs to be done with meals.

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If you've ever taken zinc on an empty stomach,

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even if you just take 15 or 30 milligrams of zinc,

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you can feel very nauseous, not well, for a few hours.

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So make sure that you're taking zinc with full meals.

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So this would mean that you're taking in at least

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two full meals per day.

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I should also mention that zinc supplementation did not

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appear to impact gonadotropin-releasing hormone

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or prolactin.

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So it seems to be a fairly targeted effect

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on the testosterone and related pathways in males.

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As far as I know, there have not been systematic explorations

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of the effects of high levels of zinc administration on females.

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I would hope that those studies would soon be done.

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But meanwhile, if you're a male and you're

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interested in improving sperm quality

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and your testosterone levels overall for whatever reason,

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zinc likely is a good candidate.

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And that pretty much summarizes the compounds

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that men and women should take in order

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to maximize egg quality, sperm quality, and fertility.

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And then, of course, we start to enter

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the landscape of other things that men and women can take

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in order to improve fertility, and those other things

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generally are prescription drugs.

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And so I just want to mention what a few of those are.

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But of course, these are things that you would absolutely

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have to obtain prescriptions for from your MD,

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and your MD, without question, would

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want to take blood tests prior to prescribing these things.

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So for instance, if men have been

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taking exogenous testosterone through the use

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of anabolic steroids, like performance-enhancing drugs

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or even testosterone replacement therapy,

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their endogenous testosterone levels

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are going to be very low, and their sperm counts

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are going to be very low, unless, for instance, they

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are prescribed and taking something

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like hCG, human chorionic gonadotropin, which

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mimics LH and would stimulate the testes to produce

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testosterone and through some indirect pathways rescue

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spermatogenesis, although not to the same degree

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as if people are not taking exogenous sources

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of testosterone.

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Some men, even if they've never touched TRT or exogenous

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testosterone of any kind, will be prescribed

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to take hCG because of its ability

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to stimulate the testes to produce

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more testosterone and sperm.

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So they're just taking hCG alone.

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Other men will take--

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or will be prescribed, rather--

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FSH in order to stimulate spermatogenesis, or hCG

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and FSH, or clomiphene, which can regulate

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all sorts of things in the both testosterone and

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estrogen-related pathways at the level of brain and pituitary

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and gonad, testes.

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Likewise, for women, if they're low in FSH,

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they might be prescribed FSH.

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If they are low in luteinizing hormone,

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they might be prescribed hCG.

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If they're low in testosterone, they might even

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be prescribed testosterone.

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And if their testosterone is too high

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and they're dealing with PCOS, they

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might be prescribed anti-androgens and androgen

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blockers and on and on and on.

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There are so many different hormones that

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can impact the different aspects of the ovulatory

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and the spermatogenesis cycle that the OB/GYNs

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and the urologists focused on male fertility nowadays really

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have an excellent handle on which levers and buttons

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and threads to pull and push and so forth in order

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to set in motion a proper ovulatory

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cycle and a proper spermatogenesis cycle.

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Everything we talked about up until now

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and in the early phase of this episode,

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especially, about how the brain commands

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the pituitary and the pituitary commands the gonads and then

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the gonads, the ovary, or the testes

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send feedback signals to the pituitary

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to then influence the pituitary, all

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of that incredible orchestra, that dance,

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is so tightly regulated in a way that really provides

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the OB/GYNs and the fertility docs

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concerned with male fertility exceptional tools to,

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for instance, figure out if a man is not producing any sperm

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but his testosterone levels are well within normal range,

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well, then there are some very clear sets of explorations

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and potential treatments.

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Some of which are mechanical, making sure

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the epididymis and vas deferens are clear,

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allowing the sperm to enter the ejaculate

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and the ejaculate to enter the urethra

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and obviously to enter the female, as well

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as for a woman who's not ovulating

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to adjust her levels of FSH or maybe even to apply acupuncture

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in conjunction with supplementation

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and various prescription hormone therapies to adjust

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fertility and ovulation and the probability

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of successful pregnancy.

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So there's a vast landscape of prescription drugs

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and surgical interventions of varying degrees

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of invasiveness.

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And some are, for instance, outpatient procedures.

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Some require general anesthesia, et cetera,

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in order to maximize male and female fertility.

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What I've tried to do today is to provide you

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with a deep dive understanding of the ovulatory and menstrual

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cycle.

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We talked about the brain, the pituitary, the ovary,

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the Fallopian tubes, and, in fact,

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the whole female reproductive axis

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as it relates to fertility and reproduction

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I also describe the male reproductive axis as it relates

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to the brain, the pituitary, the gonad, the testes,

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and the various ducts, the pathways,

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out of the testes that allow the sperm to be enriched

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within the semen and then the semen and the ejaculate

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to exit through the urethra.

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I did all that as a way to frame the various tools

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and interventions that can really

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assist in increasing fertility, egg quality, and sperm quality.

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So when we discuss mitochondria in the context

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of the development of an egg or the development of sperm

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and its ability to swim quickly forward,

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now it should make sense as to why

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give an intervention, whether or not

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it's L-carnitine or whether or not

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it's exercise or whether or not it's getting enough sleep

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and limiting stress, why all that should matter and why,

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in fact, mechanistically those interventions can work.

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Because, indeed, there are many interventions

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that we can all do and use to support our fertility.

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And again, as a more general theme today,

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I really wanted to, A, teach you about

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the human reproductive axis--

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I do find the biology of the ovulatory and menstrual cycle

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and spermatogenesis to be absolutely fascinating to me.

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And again, if you're somebody who's interested in conceiving

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or if you've already conceived children

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and even if you don't want more children,

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this is really the aspect of our biology

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that allowed us to be here.

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It's the aspect of our biology that determined whether or not

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we are male or female.

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It's the aspect of our biology that determines so, so much,

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and yet I think that most of us generally are not

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taught this in school or at least not at the depth

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that we discussed it today.

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So hopefully that information was in and of itself

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interesting and perhaps useful as well.

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And I do think that even if people are not

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wishing to conceive more children that the information

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related to fertility and optimizing egg and sperm health

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is of value in the sense that optimizing egg and sperm health

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can be used as a proxy for optimizing our body and brain

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health generally.

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In other words-- and here I'm admittedly taking words out

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of the mouths of the various wonderful doctors,

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the OB/GYNs and neurologists that helped inform me

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in anticipation of this episode-- what is good

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for the woman is good for the egg

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and for fertility and for pregnancy.

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And what's good for the man is good for the quality

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and production of sperm and for fertility and pregnancy.

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Put differently, whether or not we are male or female,

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the things that we can do to optimize our fertility

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are the exact same things that we should all

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be doing to optimize our vitality and our longevity.

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And I realize today's episode was so much the deep dive

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and fairly broad, as well, that it ended up being

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fairly long and extensive.

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And yet we still have not touched

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on any of the important themes that I know a number of people

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want to know about-- so, for instance, menopause,

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andropause, PCOS, and other themes

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related to hormones and reproductive function

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and biology.

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And I promise that we will have episodes, both solo episodes

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and episodes with expert guests, in the future

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to cover all of those topics in detail.

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Meanwhile, the information discussed in today's episode

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should serve as a basic foundation

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