How Smell, Taste & Pheromone-Like Chemicals Control You

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- Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast,

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I'm Andrew Huberman,

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and I'm a Professor of Neurobiology and Ophthalmology

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at Stanford School of Medicine.

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This month, we've been talking about the senses,

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how we detect things in our environment.

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The last episode was all about vision,

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how we take light and convert that information

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into things that we can perceive

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like colors, and faces, and motion,

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things of that sort

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as well as how we use light to change our biology

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in ways that are subconscious that we don't realize,

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things like mood, and metabolism, and levels of alertness.

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Today, we're going to talk about chemical sensing,

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we're going to talk about the sense of smell,

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our ability to detect odors in our environment.

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We're also going to talk about taste,

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our ability to detect chemicals

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and make sense of chemicals that are put in our mouth

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and into our digestive tract.

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And we are going to talk about chemicals

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that are made by other human beings

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that powerfully modulator the way that we feel,

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our hormones, and our health.

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Now, that last category are sometimes called pheromones.

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However, whether or not pheromones exist in humans

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is rather controversial,

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there actually hasn't been a clear example

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of a true human pheromonal effect,

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but what is absolutely clear, what is undeniable

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is that there are chemicals that human beings make

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and release in things like tears onto our skin,

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and sweat, and even breath that powerfully modulate

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or control the biology of other individuals.

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In fact right now, even if you're completely alone,

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your chemical environment internally is being controlled

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by external chemicals,

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your nervous system, and your hormones, and your metabolism

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are being modified by things in your environment,

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so we're going to talk about those.

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It's an absolutely fascinating aspect to our biology,

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it's one of our most primordial,

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meaning primitive aspects of our biology,

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but it's still very active in all of us today.

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This episode, believe it or not,

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will have a lot of tools, a lot of protocols.

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Even though I'm guessing most of you

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can probably smell your environment just fine,

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that you know what you like to eat and what tastes good,

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and what doesn't taste good to you,

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today's episode is going to talk about tools

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that will allow you to actually leverage

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these chemical sensing mechanisms,

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including how you smell

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not how you smell in the qualitative sense,

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but how you smell in the verb sense,

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the action of sniffing and smelling

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to enhance your sense of smell

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and to enhance your sense of taste as well,

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believe it or not, to enhance your cognition,

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your ability to learn and remember things.

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Everything we're going to talk about as always

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is grounded in quality peer-reviewed studies

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from some excellent laboratories,

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I'll provide some resources along the way,

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so that means tools and protocols

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and also basic information.

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You're going to learn a ton of neuroscience

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and lot of biology in general.

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And I think what you'll come to realize by the end

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is that while we are clearly different

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from the other animals,

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there are aspects to our biology that are very similar

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to that of other animals in very interesting ways.

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Before we dive into chemical sensing,

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I want to just briefly touch on a few things

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from the vision episode.

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One is a summary of a protocol.

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So, I covered 13 protocols last episode,

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if you haven't seen that episode, check it out.

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Those protocols will allow you to be more alert

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and to see better over time if you follow them.

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All of them are zero cost,

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you can find any and all of them at hubermanlab.com,

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there's a link to those videos and tools and protocols,

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everything is timestamped.

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The two protocols that I just want to remind everybody of

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are the protocol of near-far viewing that all of us

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regardless of age, should probably spend about five minutes

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three times a week, doing some near-far viewing exercises.

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So, that would be bringing a pen or pencil

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up close to the point where you're about to cross your eyes,

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but you don't cross your eyes

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and then out at some distance.

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And then look beyond that pen

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or other object that you're using

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off as far as you can into the distance.

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It would be great if you could do this on a balcony or deck

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and then look way off in the distance

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and then bring it back in.

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This is going to exercise that accommodation reflex,

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the change in the shape of the lens

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can help offset a number of things

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including myopia, near-sightedness.

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The other one is this incredible study

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that showed that two hours a day outside,

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even if you're doing other things while you're outside

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can help offset myopia, nearsightedness.

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So, try and get outside,

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it's really the sunlight and the blue light, right?

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Everyone's been demonizing blue light out there,

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but blue light is great

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provided it's not super, super bright

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and really close to your eyes.

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Blue is terrific if it comes from sunlight.

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Two hours a day outside

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is going to help offset myopia, nearsightedness.

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Now, that's a lot of time,

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I think most of us are not getting that time,

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but since you can do other things like gardening,

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or reading, or walking, or running.

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If you can get that two hours outside

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your visual system and your brain will benefit.

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I also would like to make one brief correction

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to something that I said incorrectly

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in the previous episode.

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At the end of the episode, I talked about lutein,

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and how lutein may help offset

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some moderate to severe age-related macular degeneration.

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As well, I talked about how some people

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are supplementing with lutein

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even though they don't have age-related macular degeneration

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with the idea in mind

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that it might help offset some vision loss

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as they get older.

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I said lutein, and lutein was the correct thing to say,

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but once or twice, when I started speaking fast

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I said leucine and not lutein.

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I want to emphasize that leucine,

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an amino acid, very interesting,

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important for muscle building covered in previous episodes,

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but lutein, L-U-T-E-I-N,

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is the molecule and compound that I was referring to

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in terms of supplementing for sake of vision.

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So I apologize, please forgive me I misspoke,

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a couple of you caught that right away,

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in listening to the episode after it went up

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I realized that I had misspoken.

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So, lutein for vision,

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leucine for muscles, and muscle growth,

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and strength, et cetera.

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Before we dive into the content of today's episode,

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I want to just briefly touch on color vision.

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Many of you asked questions about color vision

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and color perception.

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And indeed color perception is a fascinating aspect

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of the human visual system,

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it's one of the things that makes us unique.

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There are certainly other animals out there

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that can detect all the colors of the rainbow,

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some can even detect into the infrared, into the far-red

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that we can't see,

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but nonetheless, human color vision,

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provided that somebody isn't colorblind,

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is really remarkable.

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And if you're interested in color vision

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or you want to answer questions

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about art or about for instance

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why that dress that showed up online a few years ago

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looks blue to you and yellow to somebody else.

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All the answers to that are in this terrific book

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which is "What Is Color?:

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50 Questions and Answers on the Science of Color".

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I did not write this book, I wish I had,

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the book is by Arielle and Joann Eckstut,

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that E-C-K-S-T-U-T.

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So, it's "What Is Color?:

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50 Questions and Answers on the Science of Color".

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It's an absolutely fabulous book,

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I've no business relationship to them.

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I did help them get in contact

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with some color vision scientists

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when they reached out to me.

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And you can know that all the information in the book

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was vetted by excellent color vision scientists.

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It's a really wonderful and beautiful book,

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the illustrations are beautiful.

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If you're somebody who's interested in design or art,

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or you're just curious about the science of color,

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it's a terrific book, I highly recommend it.

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If you just look it up online,

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there are a variety of places

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that will allow you to access the book.

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So, let's talk about sensing chemicals

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and how chemicals control us.

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In our environment,

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there are a lot of different physical stimuli.

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There is light,

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photons, which are light energy

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and those land on your retinas

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and your retinas tell your brain about them,

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and your brain creates this thing we call vision.

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There are sound waves,

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literally particles moving through the air

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and reverberations that create

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what we call sound and hearing.

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And of course there are mechanical stimuli,

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pressure, light touch, scratch,

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tickle, et cetera, that lands on our skin

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or the blowing of a breeze

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that deflects the hairs on our skin,

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and we can sense mechanical touch, mechanical sensation.

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And there are chemicals,

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there are things floating around in the environment

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which we call volatile chemicals.

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So, volatile sounds oftentimes like emotionally volatile,

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but it just means that they're floating around out there.

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So, when you actually smell something

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like let's say you smell

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a wonderfully smelling rose or cake.

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Yes, you are inhaling the particles into your nose,

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they're literally little particles

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of those chemicals are going up into your nose

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and being detected by your brain.

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Also, if you smell something putrid,

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disgusting, or awful, use your imagination,

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those particles are going up into your nose

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and being detected by neurons that are part of your brain.

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Other ways of getting chemicals into our system

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is by putting them in our mouth,

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by literally taking foods and chewing them,

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or sucking on them and breaking them down

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into their component parts,

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and that's one way that we sense chemicals

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with this thing, our tongue.

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And there are chemicals that can enter

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through other mucosal linings

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and other kind of just think damp,

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sticky linings of your body.

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And the main ones would be the eyes,

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so you've got your nose, your eyes and your mouth.

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But mainly when we have chemicals coming into our system

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it's through our nose or through our mouth.

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Although, sometimes through our skin

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certain things can go transdermal, not many,

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and through our eyes.

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So these chemicals,

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we sometimes bring into our body, into our biology,

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through deliberate action.

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We select a food, we chew that food,

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and we do it intentionally.

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Sometimes they're coming into our body

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through non-deliberate action.

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We enter an environment,

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and there's smoke and we smell the smoke,

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and as a consequence we take action.

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Sometimes we are forced to eat something

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because somebody tells us we should eat it

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or we do it to be polite.

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So, there are all these ways

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that chemicals can make it into our body.

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Sometimes however, other people

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are actively making chemicals with their body,

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typically this would be with their breath,

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with their tears,

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or possibly, I want to underscore possibly,

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by making what are called pheromones,

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molecules that they release into the environment

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typically through the breath

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that enter our system through our nose,

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or our eyes, or our mouth

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that fundamentally change our biology.

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I will explain how smell and taste

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and these pheromone effects work,

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but I'll just give an example,

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which is a very salient and interesting one

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that was published about 10 years ago

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in the Journal Science.

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Science Magazine is one of the three

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what we call apex journals.

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There are a lot of journals out there,

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but for those of you that want to know,

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Science Magazine, Nature Magazine, and Cell

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are considered the three top kind of apex journals,

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they are the most stringent

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in terms of getting papers accepted,

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they're even reviewed there.

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They have about a 95% rejection rate at the front gate,

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meaning they don't even review 95%

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of what gets sent to them.

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Of the things that they do decide to review

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then get sent out,

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a very small percentage of those get published,

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it's very stringent.

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This paper came out in Science

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showing that humans, men in particular in this study,

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have a strong biological response and hormonal response

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to the tears of women.

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What they did is they had women,

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and in this case it was only women for whatever reason,

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cry and they collected their tears.

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Then those tears were smelled by male subjects,

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or male subjects got what was essentially the control,

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which was the saline.

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Men that smelled these tears that were evoked by sadness

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had a reduction in their testosterone levels

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that was significant.

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They also had a reduction in brain areas

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that were associated with sexual arousal.

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Now, before you run off with your interpretations

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about what this means and criticize the study

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for any variety of reasons, let's just take a step back.

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I will criticize the study for a variety of reasons too.

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One is that they only used female tiers and male subjects,

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so it would have been nice for them to also use female tears

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and female subjects smelling those,

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male tears and male subjects smelling those,

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male tears and female subjects smelling those, and so on.

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They didn't do that,

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they did have a large number of subjects,

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so that's good, that adds power to the study.

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And they did have to collect these tears

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by having the women watch what was essentially

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a sad scene from a movie.

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They actually recruited subjects that had a high propensity

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for crying at sad movies, which was not all women.

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It turns out that the people that they recruited

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for the study were people who said, "Yes,

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I tend to cry when I see sad things in movies."

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What they're really trying to do

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is get just get tears that were authentically cried

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in response to sadness,

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as opposed to putting some irritant in the eye

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and collecting tears that were evoked by something else

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like just having the eyes irritated.

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Nonetheless, what this study illustrates

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is that there are chemicals in tears

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that are evoking or changing the biology

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of other individuals.

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Now, most of us don't think about sniffing

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or smelling other people's tears,

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but you can imagine how in close couples,

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or in family members,

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or even close friendships, et cetera,

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that we are often in close proximity

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to other people's tears.

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Now, I didn't select this study as an example

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because I want to focus on the effects

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of tears on hormones, per se,

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although I do find the results really interesting.

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I chose it because I wanted to just emphasize

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or underscore the fact

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that chemicals that are made by other individuals

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are powerfully modulating our internal state,

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and that's something that most of us don't appreciate.

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I think most of us can appreciate the fact

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that if we smell something putrid, we tend to retract,

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or if we smell something delicious, we tend to lean into it.

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But there are all these ways in which chemicals

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are affecting our biology,

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and interpersonal communication using chemicals

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is not something that we hear that often about,

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but it's super interesting.

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So, let's talk about smell

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and what smell is and how it works.

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I'm going to make this very basic,

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but I am going to touch on some of the core elements

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of the neurobiology.

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So, here's how smell works.

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Smell starts with sniffing.

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Now, that may come as no surprise,

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but no volatile chemicals can enter our nose

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unless we inhale them.

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If our nose is occluded, or if we're actively exhaling

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it's much more difficult for smells to enter our nose,

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which is why people cover their nose

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when something smells bad.

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Now, the way that these volatile odors

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come into the nose is interesting.

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The nose has a mucosal lining,

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mucus that is designed to trap things,

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to actually bring things in and get stuck there.

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At the base of your brain,

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so you could actually imagine this

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or if you wanted, you could touch the roof of your mouth.

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So, right above the roof of the mouth,

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about two centimeters is your olfactory bulb.

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The olfactory bulb is a collection of neurons

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and those neurons actually extend out of the skull,

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out of your skull into your nose

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into the mucosal lining.

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So, what this means in kind of a literal sense

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is that you have neurons that extend

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their little dendrites and axon-like things,

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they're little processes as we call them,

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out into the mucus,

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and they respond to different odorant compounds.

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Now, the olfactory neurons

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also send a branch deeper into the brain

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and they split off into three different paths.

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So, one path is for what we call innate odor responses,

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so you have some hard wired aspects

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to the way that you smell the world

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that were there from the day you were born

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and that will be there until the day you die.

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These are the pathways and the neurons that respond

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to things like smoke,

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which as you can imagine there's a highly adaptive function

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to being able to detect burning things

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because burning things generally means lack of safety

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or impending threat of some kind.

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It calls for action,

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and indeed these neurons project

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to the central area of the brain called the amygdala,

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which is often discussed in terms of fear,

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but it's really fear and threat detection.

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So some compounds, some chemicals in your environment

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when you smell them, unless you're trained to overcome them

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because you're a firefighter

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you will naturally have a heightened level of alertness,

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you will sense threat,

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and if you're in sleep, even it will wake you up.

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All right, so that's a good thing,

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it's kind of an emergency system.

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You also have neurons in your nose

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that respond to odorants

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or combinations of odorants that evoke a sense of desire

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and what we call appetitive behaviors, approach behaviors,

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that make you want to move toward something.

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So, when you smell a delicious cookie,

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or some dish that's really savory that you really like,

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or a wonderful orange,

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and you say, "Mmm,"

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or it feels delicious, or it smells delicious

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that's because of these innate pathway,

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these pathways that require no learning whatsoever.

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Now, some of the pathways from the nose,

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these olfactory neurons into the brain

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are involved in learned associations with odors.

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Many people have this experience

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that they can remember the smell

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of their grandmother's home,

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or their grandmother's hands even,

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or the smell of particular items baking,

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or on the stove in a particular environment.

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Typically, these memories tend to be of a kind of nurturing

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sort of feeling safe and protected.

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But one of the reasons why olfaction smell

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is so closely tied to memory

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is because olfaction is the most ancient sense that we have,

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or I should say chemical sensing is among the most primitive

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and ancient senses that we have,

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probably almost certainly evolved

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before vision and before hearing.

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But when we come into the world

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because we're still learning about the statistics of life

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about who's friendly and who's not friendly,

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and where's a fun place to be

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and where's a boring place to be,

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that all takes a long time to learn.

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But the olfactory system seems to imprint,

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seems to lay down memories very early

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and create these very powerful associations.

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And if you think about it long enough and hard enough

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many of you can probably realize

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that there are certain smells that evoke a memory

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of a particular place, or person, or context.

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And that's because you also have pathways out of the nose

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that are not for innate behaviors like cringing,

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or repulsion, or gagging,

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or for that appetitive mmm sensation,

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but that just remind you of a place,

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or a thing, or a context,

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could be flowers in spring,

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could be grandmother's home and cookies.

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This is a very common occurrence,

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and it's a very common occurrence

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because this generally exists in all of us.

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So, we have pathway for innate responses

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and a pathway for learned responses.

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And then we have this other pathway,

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and in humans it's a little bit controversial

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as to whether or not it sits truly separate

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from the standard olfactory system

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or whether or not it's its own system embedded in there,

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but that they call the accessory olfactory pathway.

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Accessory olfactory pathway is what in other animals

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is responsible for true pheromone effects.

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We will talk about true pheromone effects,

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but for example in rodents

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and in some primates, including mandrills.

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If you've ever seen a mandrill,

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they have these like big beak noses things,

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you may have seen them at the zoo,

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look them up if you haven't seen them already,

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M-A-N-D-R-I-L-S

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mandrills, there are strong pheromone effects.

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Some of those include things like

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if you take a pregnant female rodent or mandrill,

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you take away the father that created those

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fetuses or fetus,

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and you introduce the scent of the urine

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or the fur of a novel male,

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she will spontaneously abort or miscarry those fetuses,

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it's a very powerful effect.

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In humans, it's still controversial

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whether or not anything like that can happen,

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but it's a very powerful pheromonal effect in other animals.

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Another example of a pheromone effect

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is called the Vandenbergh effect

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named after the person who discovered this effect,

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where you take a female

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of a given species that has not entered puberty,

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you expose her to the scent or the urine

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from a sexually competent, meaning post-pubertal male,

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and she spontaneously goes into puberty earlier.

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So, something about the scent

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triggers something through this accessory olfactory system,

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this is a true pheromonal effect

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and creates ovulation, right and menstruation.

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Or in rodents it's an estrous cycle, not a menstrual cycle.

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So, this is not to say that the exact same things

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happen in humans.

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In humans, as I mentioned earlier,

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there are chemical sensing between individuals

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that may be independent of the nose.

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And we will talk about those,

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but those are basically the three paths

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by which smells, odors impact us.

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So, I want to talk about the act of smelling,

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and if you are not somebody who is very interested in smell,

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but you are somebody who is interested

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in making your brain work better,

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learning faster, remembering more things,

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this next little segment is for you

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because it turns out that how you smell,

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meaning the act of smelling, not how good or bad you smell,

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but the act of smelling,

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sniffing, and inhalation powerfully impacts

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how your brain functions

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and what you can learn and what you can't learn.

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Breathing generally consists of two actions,

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inhaling and exhaling,

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and we have the option of course

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to do that through our nose or our mouth.

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I've talked on previous episodes about the fact

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that there are great advantages to being a nasal breather,

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and there are a great disadvantages

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to being a mouth breather.

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There are excellent books and data on this,

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there's the recent book "Breath" by James Nestor,

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which is an excellent book

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that describes some of the positive effects

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of nasal breathing as well as other breathing practices.

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There's also the book "Jaws" by my colleagues,

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Paul Ehrlich and Sandra Kahn,

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with a foreword by Jared Diamond

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and an introduction by Robert Sapolsky from Stanford.

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So, that's a book chockablock

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with heavy hitter authors that describes

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how being a nasal breather is beneficial for jaw structure,

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for immune system function, et cetera

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Breathing in through your nose,

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sniffing actually has positive effects

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on the way that you can acquire and remember information.

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Noam Sobel's group originally at UC Berkeley

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and then at the Weizmann Institute

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has published a number of papers

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that I'd like to discuss today.

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One of them, Human Non-Olfactory Cognition

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Phase-Locked with Inhalation,

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this was published in Nature Human Behavior,

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an excellent journal.

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Showed that the act of inhaling

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[Andrew inhales deeply]

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has a couple of interesting and powerful consequences.

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First of all, as we inhale

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the brain increases in arousal,

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our level of alertness and attention increases

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when we inhale as compared to when we exhale.

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Now, of course with every inhale, there's an exhale,

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you could probably double up on your inhales

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if you're doing size or something,

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physiological size I've talked about these before,

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so double inhales [inhales twice]

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followed by an exhale [exhales],

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something like that.

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Or if you're speaking, you're going to change your cadence

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and ratio of inhales and exhales,

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but typically we inhale, then we exhale.

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As we inhale, what this paper shows

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is that the level of alertness goes up in the brain,

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and this makes sense because as the most primitive

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and primordial sense by which we interact

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with our environment and bring chemicals into our system

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and detect our environment,

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inhaling is a cue for the rest of the brain

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to essentially to pay attention to what's happening,

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not just to the odors

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as the name of this paper suggests,

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Human Non-Olfactory Cognition Phase-Locked with Inhalation.

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What that means is that the act of inhaling itself

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wakes up the brain,

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it's not about what you're perceiving

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or what you're smelling.

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And indeed sniffing as an action,

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inhaling as an action has a powerful effect

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on your ability to be alert,

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your ability to attend, to focus,

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and your ability to remember information.

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When we exhale, the brain goes through a subtle,

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but nonetheless significant dip

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in level of arousal and ability to learn.

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So, what does this mean?

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How should you use this knowledge?

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Well, you could imagine,

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and I think this will be beneficial for most people

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to focus on nasal breathing

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while doing any kind of focused work that doesn't require

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that you speak, or eat, or ingest something.

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There's a separate paper published

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in the journal of neuroscience that showed

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that indeed if subjects, human subjects,

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are restricted to breathing through their nose,

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they learn better than if they have the option

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of breathing through their mouth,

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or a combination of their nose and mouth.

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These are significant effects

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in humans using modern techniques from excellent groups.

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So, sniffing itself is a powerful modulator

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of our cognition and our ability to learn.

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You can imagine all sorts of ways

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that you might apply that as a tool.

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And I suggest that you play with it a bit

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that if you're having a hard time staying awake and alert,

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you're having a hard time remembering information,

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you feel like you have a kind of attention deficit,

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nonclinical of course,

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nasal breathing ought to help,

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extending or making your inhales more intense ought to help.

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Now, this isn't really about chemical sensing per se,

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but here's where it gets interesting and exciting.

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If you are somebody

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who doesn't have a very good sense of smell,

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or you're somebody who simply wants to get better

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at smelling and tasting things,

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you can actually practice sniffing.

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I know that sounds ridiculous,

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but it turns out that simply sniffing nothing.

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So, doing something like this.

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[Andrew sniffs deeply]

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I guess the microphone sort of has a smell [sniffs],

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I guess my pen doesn't have a smell.

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[Andrew sniffs deeply]

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It turns out that doing a series of inhales,

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and of course each one is followed by an exhale,

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10 or 15 times and then smelling an object

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like an orange or another item of food,

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or even the skin of somebody else

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will lead to an increase in your ability

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to perceive those odors.

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Now, there are probably two reasons for that.

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One reason is that the brain systems

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of detecting things are waking up

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as a mere consequence of inhaling.

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Okay, so this is sort of the olfactory equivalent

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of opening your eyes wider in order to see, more or less.

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Okay, last episode I talked about

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how opening your eyes wider

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actually increases your level of alertness,

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it's not just that your level of alertness

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causes your eyes to be open wider.

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Opening your eyes wider

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can actually increase your level of alertness.

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Well, it turns out that breathing more deeply

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through the nose, wakes up your brain

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and it creates a heightened sensitivity

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of the neurons that relate to smell.

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And there's a close crossover,

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I'm sure you know this, between smell and taste.

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If any of you have ever had a cold

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or you have for whatever reason

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you've lost your sense of smell,

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you become what they call anosmic,

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your sense of taste suffers also.

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We'll talk a little bit more

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about why that is in a few minutes,

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but as a first protocol,

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I'd really like all of you to consider

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becoming nasal breathers

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while you're trying to learn, while you're trying to listen,

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while you're trying to wake up your brain in any way

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and learn and retain information,

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this is a powerful tool.

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Now, there are other ways

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to wake up your brain more as well.

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For instance, the use of smelling salts.

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I'm not recommending that you do this necessarily,

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but there are excellent peer reviewed data

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showing that indeed, if you use smelling salts,

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which are mostly of the sort that include ammonia,

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ammonia is a very toxic scent,

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but it's toxic in a way that triggers this innate pathway,

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the pathway from the nose to the amygdala,

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and wakes up the brain and body in a major way.

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This is why they use smelling salts

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when people pass out,

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this is why fighters used to use

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or maybe sometimes still use smelling salts

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in order to heighten their level of alertness,

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this is why powerlifters will inhale smelling salts.

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They work because they trigger the fear

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and kind of overall arousal systems of the brain,

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this is why I think most people probably shouldn't

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use ammonia or smelling salts to try and wake up,

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but they really do work.

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If you've ever smelled smelling salts

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and I have, I tried this,

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they give you a serious jolt,

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it's like six espresso

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infused into your bloodstream all at once,

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you are wide awake immediately

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and you feel a heightened sense of kind of desire to move

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because you release adrenaline into your body.

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Now, inhaling through your nose

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and doing nasal breathing is not going to do that,

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it's going to be a more subtle version of waking up your system

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of alerting your brain overall.

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And for those of you that are interested in having a richer,

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a more deep connection

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to the things that you smell and taste,

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including other individuals perhaps not just food,

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practicing or enhancing your sense of sniffing,

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your ability to sniff

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might sound like a kind of ridiculous protocol,

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but it's actually a kind of fun and cool experiment

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that you can do.

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You just do the simple experiment of taking for instance

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an orange, you smell it,

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try and gauge your level of perception

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of how orange-ish it smells,

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or lemony, lemonish, lemony, I don't know

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is it lemonish or lemony?

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Lemony it smells, then set it away,

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do 10 or 15 inhales

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[Andrew inhales and exhales]

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followed by exhales of course,

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or just through the nose.

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[Andrew breaths rapidly]

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I'm not going to do all 10 or 15.

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And then smell it again,

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and you'll notice that your perception of that smell,

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the kind of richness of that smell

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will be significantly increased.

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And that's again, for two reasons,

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one, the brain is in a position to respond to it better,

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your brain has been aroused by the mere act of sniffing,

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but also the neurons that respond

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to that lemon odor, that lemony or odor

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are going to respond better.

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So, you can actually have a heightened experience

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of something, and that of course will also be true

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for the taste system.

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You also can really train your sense of smell

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to get much, much better.

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When Noam Sobel's group was at Berkeley

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I happened to be a graduate student around that time,

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and every once in a while I'd look outside

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and there would be people crawling around on the grass

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with goggles on, gloves on,

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and these hoods on with earmuffs.

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And they looked ridiculous,

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but what they were doing is they were actually

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learning to follow scent trails.

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So, in the world of dogs

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you have sight hounds that use their eyes

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in order to navigate and find things,

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and you have scent towns that use their nose.

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And the scent hounds are remarkable,

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they can be trained to detect a scent.

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These are the sniffing,

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you know, the bomb sniffing

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and the drug sniffing dogs in airports.

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There are now dogs actually that can sniff

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out COVID infections with a very high degree of accuracy,

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they can be trained to do that.

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There's something about the COVID

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and similar infections that the body produces

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probably in the immune response,

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some odors and the dogs are I think as high as 90%

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in some cases, maybe even 95% accuracy,

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just remarkable.

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There are theories that dogs can sniff out cancer,

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this stuff all exceeds statistical significance.

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It's still a little bit mysterious in some ways,

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but you may not ever achieve

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the olfactory capabilities of a scent hound,

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but what Noam Sobel's lab did is they had people

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completely eliminate their visual experience

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by having them wear dark glasses or goggles,

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so they couldn't see, and they couldn't hear,

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they couldn't sense anything with their sense of touch,

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they had thick gloves on.

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But they had these masks on

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where just their nasal passages were open

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and people could in a fairly short amount of time

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learn to follow a chocolate scent trail on the ground,

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which is not something that most people want to do,

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but what they showed using brain imaging, et cetera

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in subsequent studies is that the human brain,

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you can learn to really enhance your sense of smell

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and become very astute in distinguishing

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whether or not one particular odor

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or combinations of odors

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is such that it's less than,

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or more than a different odor for instance.

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Now, why would you want to do this?

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Well, if you like to eat as much as I do,

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one of the things

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that can really enhance your sense of pleasure

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from the experience of ingesting food

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is to enhance your sense of smell.

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And if you don't have a great sense of smell,

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or if you have a sense of smell

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that's really so good that it's always picking up bad odors,

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we'll talk about that in a minute.

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Well, then you might want to tune up your sense of smell

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by doing this practice of 10 or 15 breaths,

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excuse me, sniffs, not breaths,

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sniffs and then interacting with some food item

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or thing that you're interested in smelling more of.

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So, these could be the ingredients that you're cooking with,

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I really encourage you to try and really smell them.

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You sometimes hear this

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as kind of a mindfulness practice

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like ooh, really smell the food, really taste the food.

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And we always hear about that

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as kind of a mindfulness and presence thing,

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but you actually can increase the sensitivity

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of your olfactory and your taste system by doing this.

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And it has long-term effects,

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that's what's so interesting.

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This isn't the kind of thing

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that you have to do every time you eat.

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You don't have to be the weirdo in the restaurant

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that's like picking up the radish

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and like jamming it up your nostrils, please don't do that.

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You don't have to necessarily smell everything,

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although it's nice sometimes to smell the food

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that you're about to eat and as you eat it,

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but it has long-term effects

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in terms of your ability to distinguish

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and discriminate different types of odors.

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And these don't even have to be very pungent foods

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it turns out,

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the studies show that doesn't have

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to be some really stinky cheese,

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you know, there are cheese shops

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that I've walked into where like I just basically gag,

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I can't handle it, I just can't be in there,

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it just overwhelms me.

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Other people, they love that smell.

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So, you have to tune it to your interest and experience,

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but I think even for you fasters out there,

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everybody eats at some point,

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everybody ingests chemicals through their mouth.

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And one of the ways that you can powerfully increase

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your relationship to that experience

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and make it much more positive

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is through just the occasional practice

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of 10 or 15 sniffs of nothing,

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which almost sounds ridiculous like how could that be?

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But now, you understand why,

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it's because of the way that the sniffing action increases

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the alertness of the brain

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as well as increasing the sensitivity of the system.

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No other system that I'm aware of in our body

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is as amenable to these kinds of behavioral training shifts

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and allow them to happen so quickly.

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I would love to be able to tell you

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that just doing 10 or 15 near-far exercises with a pen

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or going outside for 10 or 15 seconds each morning

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is going to completely change

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the way that you see the world.

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But it actually isn't the case,

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you actually, it requires more training,

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a little bit more effort in the visual system.

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In the olfactory system,

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and your smell system, and in your taste system

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just the tiniest bit of training and attention,

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and sniffing, inhaling can radically change

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your relationship to food

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such that you actually start to feel very different

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as a consequence of ingesting those foods

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as well as becoming more discerning about which foods

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you like and which ones you don't like.

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And we're going to talk about that

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because there's a really wonderful thing

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that happens when you start developing a sensitive palate

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and a sensitive sense of smell

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in a way that allows you to guide your eating

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and smelling decisions,

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and maybe even interpersonal decisions

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about who you spend time with, or mate with, or whatever,

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in a way that is really in line with your biology.

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In fact, how well we can smell and taste things

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is actually a very strong indication of our brain health.

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Now, that's not to say

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that if you have a poor sense of smell

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or a poor sense of taste, that you're somehow brain damaged

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or you're going to have dementia,

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although sometimes early signs of dementia

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or loss of neurons in other regions of the brain

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related to say Parkinson's can show up first

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as a loss of sense of smell.

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Again, it's not causal,

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and it's certainly not the case that every time

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you have a sudden loss of smell

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that there's necessarily brain damage,

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I want to be very about that,

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but they are often correlated.

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There's also a lot of interest right now

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in loss of sense of smell

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because one of the early detection signs of COVID-19

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was a loss of sense of smell.

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So, I just briefly want to talk about loss of sense of smell

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and regaining sense of smell and taste

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because these have powerful implications for overall health.

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And in fact can indicate something about brain damage

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and can even inform how quickly we might be recovering

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from something like a concussion.

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So, our olfactory neurons,

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these neurons in our nose that detect odors

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are really unique among other brain neurons

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because they get replenished throughout life,

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they don't just regenerate, but they get replenished.

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So regeneration is when something is damaged and it regrows,

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these neurons are constantly turning

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over throughout our lifespan,

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they're constantly being replenished,

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they're dying off and they're being replaced by new ones.

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This is an amazing aspect of our brain

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that's basically unique to these neurons,

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there's one other region of the brain

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where there's a little bit of this maybe,

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but these olfactory neurons

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about every three or four weeks they die.

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And when they die, they're replaced

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by new ones that come from a different region of the brain,

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a region called the subventricular zone.

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The name isn't as important,

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but as the phenomenon,

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but these neurons are born in the ventricle,

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the area of your brain that's a hole that contains...

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It's not an empty hole,

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it's a hole basically that contains cerebral spinal fluid.

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Well, there's a little subventricular zone,

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there's a little zone below, sub ventricles.

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And that zone, if you are exercising regularly,

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if your dopamine levels are high enough,

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those little cells there are like stem cells.

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They are stem cells and they spit out

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what are called little neuroblasts,

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those little neuroblasts migrate

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into the front of your brain and then shimmy,

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they kind of move through

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what's called the rostral migratory stream.

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They kind of shimmy along

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and land back in your olfactory bulb,

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settle down and extend little wires

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into your olfactory mucosa.

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This is an ongoing process of what we call neurogenesis

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or the birth of new neurons.

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Now, this is really interesting

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because other neurons in your cortex, in your retina,

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in your cerebellum, they do not do this,

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they are not continually replenished throughout life.

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But these neurons, these olfactory neurons are,

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they are special.

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And there are a number of things

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that seem to increase the amount

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of olfactory neuron neurogenesis.

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There is evidence that exercise, blood flow,

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can increase olfactory neuron neurogenesis.

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Although, those data are fewer

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in comparison to things like social interactions,

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or actually interacting with odorants of different kinds.

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So, if you're somebody who doesn't smell things well,

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you have a poor sense of smell,

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your olfactory system doesn't seem very sensitive,

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more sniffing, more smelling is going to be good.

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And then the molecule dopamine, this neuromodulator,

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that is associated with motivation and drive.

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And in some cases, if it's very, very high with mania,

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or if it's very, very low with depression or Parkinson's,

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but for most people where dopamine

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is in essentially normal ranges

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dopamine is also a powerful trigger of the establishment

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of these new neurons and their migration

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into the olfactory bulb and your ability to smell.

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Now, you don't want to confuse correlation with causation,

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so if you're not good at smelling

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does that mean you have low dopamine?

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No, not necessarily.

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If you have low dopamine,

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does that mean that you have a poor sense of smell?

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No, not necessarily.

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Some people who take antidepressants of the sort

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that impact the dopamine system strongly like Wellbutrin

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will report a sudden, meaning within a couple of days,

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increase in their ability to smell particular odors,

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and it's a very striking effect.

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Some people when they are in a new relationship

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because dopamine and the hormones,

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testosterone and estrogen are associated with novelty

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and the sorts of behaviors that often are associated

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with new relationships those three molecules;

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dopamine, testosterone, and estrogen kind of work together.

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And oftentimes people will say

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or report when they're newly in love

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or in a new relationship that they're just obsessed with,

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or they just so enjoy the scent of another person

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so much so that they like to borrow

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the other person's clothing

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or they'll sniff the other person's clothing

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or they can even just in the absence of the person

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they can imagine their smell and feel a biological response,

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something that we'll talk more about.

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So, these neurons turnover throughout the lifespan

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and as we age, we actually can lose our sense of smell.

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And it's likely, I want to underscore likely,

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that that loss of sense of smell as we age

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is correlated with a loss of other neurons

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in the retina, in the ears, a loss of vision,

Time: 2972.25

loss of hearing, loss of smell, loss of the sense apparati

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which our neurons is correlated with aging.

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So, what we've been talking about today

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is the ability to sense these odors,

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but what I'd like to do is empower you with tools

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that will allow you to keep these systems tuned up.

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Last time, we talked about tuning up

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and keeping your visual system tuned up and healthy

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regardless of age.

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Here, we're talking about really enhancing

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your olfactory abilities, your taste abilities as well

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by interacting a lot with odors, preferably positive odors,

Time: 3007.13

and sniffing more, inhaling more,

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which almost sounds crazy,

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but now you understand why.

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Even though it might sound crazy

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it's grounded in real mechanistic biology

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of how the brain wakes up and responds to these chemicals.

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Now, speaking of brain injury,

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olfactory dysfunction is a common theme

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in traumatic brain injury for the following reason,

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these olfactory neurons as I mention

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extend wires into the mucosa of the nose,

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but they also extend a wire up into the skull.

Time: 3035.99

And they extend up into the skull

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through what's called the cribriform plate,

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it's like a Swiss cheese type plate

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where they're going through.

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And if you get a head hit,

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that bone, the cribriform plate,

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sheers those little wires off

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and those neurons die.

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Now, eventually they'll be replaced,

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but there's a phenomenon by which concussion

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and the severity of concussion

Time: 3057.77

and the recovery from a head injury

Time: 3059.71

can actually be gauged in part,

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in part, not in whole,

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but in part by how well or fully one recovers

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their sense of smell.

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So, if you're somebody that unfortunately

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has suffered a concussion,

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your sense of smell is one readout

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by which you might evaluate whether or not you're regaining

Time: 3076.41

some of your sensory performance.

Time: 3078.03

Of course, there will be others

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like balance, and cognition, and sleep, et cetera.

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But I'd like to refer you to a really nice paper

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which is entitled Olfactory Dysfunction

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in Traumatic Brain Injury: the Role of Neurogenesis

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the first author is Marin, M-A-R-I-N.

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The paper was published

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in Current Allergy and Asthma Report, this is 2020.

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I spent some time with this paper, it's quite good,

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it's a review article,

Time: 3101.27

I like reviews if they're peer-reviewed reviews

Time: 3104.77

and in quality journals.

Time: 3106.48

And what they discuss

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is and I'll just read here briefly

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'cause they said it better than I could,

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"Olfactory functioning disturbances are common

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following traumatic brain injury, TBI,

Time: 3115.02

and can have a significant impact on the quality of life.

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Although there is no standard treatment for patients

Time: 3119.27

with the loss of smell."

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Now I'm paraphrasing, "Post-injury olfactory training

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has shown promise for beneficial effects.

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Some of this involves,"

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they go on to tell us the role of dopamine,

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dopaminergic signaling, as I mentioned before,

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but what does this mean?

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This means that if you've had a head injury

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or repeated head injuries that enhancing your sense of smell

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is one way by which you can create new neurons.

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And now, you know how to enhance your sense of smell

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by interacting with things that have an odor very closely,

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and by essentially inhaling more,

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focusing on the inhale to wake up the brain

Time: 3159.39

and to really focus on some of the nuance of those smells.

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So, you might do for instance a smell test

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by which you smell something like a lemon,

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put it down, do 10 inhales or so,

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smell again, et cetera.

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You might also just take a more active role

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in trying to taste and smell your food,

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and taste and smell various things.

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I mean, please don't ingest anything

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that's poisonous that you're not supposed to be ingesting,

Time: 3181.91

but you know what I mean,

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really tuning up this system,

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I think is an excellent review,

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we're going to do an entire episode

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all about the use of the visual system in particular,

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but also the olfactory system for treatment

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of traumatic brain injury, as well as other methods.

Time: 3195.02

But I wanted to just mention it here

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because a number of people asked me about TBI.

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And here again, we're in this place where the senses

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and our ability to sense these chemicals

Time: 3203.703

through these two holes in the front of our face,

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our nostrils is a powerful readout

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and way to control brain function

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and nervous system function generally.

Time: 3213.48

Just a quick note about the use of smelling salts,

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I have a feeling that some of you may be interested in that

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and its application.

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If you are interested in that,

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I recommend you go to the scientific literature first

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rather than straight to some vendor

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or to the what do they call it these days?

Time: 3229.85

Costello bro science, he says,

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bro science, the bro science.

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You can go to this paper, which is excellent

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and is real science, which is Acute Effects of Ammonia

Time: 3238.96

Inhalants on Strength and Power Performance in Trained Men.

Time: 3241.94

It's a randomized controlled trial, it was published

Time: 3243.537

in the Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research

Time: 3245.93

in 2018, and it should be very easy to find.

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I will provide a link to the so-called PubMed ID,

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which is a string of numbers,

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and we'll put that in the caption

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if you want to go straight to that article,

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does show a significant what they call,

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this is what the words they use literally in quotes,

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"psyching up effect through the use

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of these ammonia inhalants

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and a significant increase in maximal force

Time: 3270.48

in force development in a variety of different movements."

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So, for those of you that are interested

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in ammonia inhalants, so-called smelling salts,

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that might be a good reference.

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The other thing I wanted to talk about

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with reference to odors is this myth

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which is that we don't actually smell things in our dreams,

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that we don't have a sense of smell.

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That's pure fiction, I don't know who came up with that,

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it's very clear that we are capable

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of smelling things in our sleep.

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However, when we are in REM sleep,

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rapid eye movement sleep,

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which is the sleep that predominates

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toward the second half of the night

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our ability to wake up in response to odors is diminished.

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It's not absent, but it's diminished.

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If smoke comes into the room, we will likely wake up

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if the concentration of smoke is high enough

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regardless of the stage of sleep we're in,

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but in REM sleep we tend to be less likely

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to smell, to sniff.

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And that actually was measured in a number of studies

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that sniffing in sleep is possible.

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So, if you put an odor like a lemon

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underneath someone's nostrils

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in the early portion of the night, they will smell,

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and they will later...

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They will sniff, excuse me,

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whether or not they smell or not, I guess depends on them

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and when they showered last,

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but they will definitely sniff

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and they will report later, especially if you wake them up

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soon after that, they had a dream

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or a percept of the scent of a lemon for instance.

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Later in the night, it's harder for that relationship

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to be established,

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it's likely that because of some of the paralysis

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associated with rapid eye movement sleep,

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which is a healthy paralysis, so-called sleep atonia,

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you don't want to act out your dreams in REM sleep

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that there is a less active tendency to sniff.

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And actually this has real clinical implications,

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the ability to sniff

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in response to the introduction of an odor

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is actually one way in which clinicians assess

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whether or not somebody's brain is so-called brain dead.

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That's not a nice term, but brain dead,

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or whether or not they have the capacity

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to recover from things like coma

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and other states of deep unconsciousness,

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or I guess you'd call it subconsciousness.

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So, what will happen is if someone has an injury

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and they're essentially out cold,

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the production of a sniffing reflex,

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or a sniffing response to say a lemon

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or some other odor presented below the nostrils

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is considered a sign that the brain is capable of waking up.

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Now, that's not always the case, but it's one indication.

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So just like you could use mechano sensation,

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so, a toe pinch for instance,

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you know, or scraping the bottom of somebody's barefoot

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to see if they're conscious,

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or shining light in their eyes,

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these are all things that you've seen

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in movies and television,

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or maybe if you've seen in real life as well.

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Well, odors and chemical sensing is another way

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by which you can assess

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whether or not the brain is capable of arousal.

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And actually olfactory stimulation

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is one of the more prominent ones

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that's being used in various clinics.

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As a last point about specific odors and compounds

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that can increase arousal and alertness,

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and this was simply through sniffing them

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not through ingesting them.

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There are data, believe it or not, there are good data

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on peppermint and the smell of peppermint,

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minty type sense,

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whether you like them or not will increase attention,

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and they can create the same sort of arousal response

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although not as intensely

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or as dramatically as ammonia salts can for instance.

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By the way, please don't go sniff real ammonia,

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you could actually damage your olfactory epithelium

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if you do that too close to the ammonia.

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If you're going to use smelling salts

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be sure you work with someone

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or you know what you're getting and how you're using this.

Time: 3495.97

You can damage your olfactory pathway

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in ways that are pretty severe,

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you can also damage your vision.

Time: 3500.98

If you've ever teared up because you inhaled something

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that was really noxious, that is not a good thing,

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it doesn't mean you necessarily cause damage,

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but it means that you have irritated the mucosal lining

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and possibly even the surfaces of your eyes,

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so please be very, very careful.

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Scents like peppermint,

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like these ammonia smelling salts,

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the reason they wake you up

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is because they trigger specific olfactory neurons

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that communicate with the specific centers of the brain,

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namely the amygdala and associated neurocircuitry

Time: 3531.46

and pathways that trigger alertness

Time: 3533.44

of the same sort that a cold shower or an ice bath,

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or a sudden surprise,

Time: 3538.75

or a stressful text message would evoke.

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Remember, the systems of your body that produce arousal,

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and alertness, and attention,

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and that cue you for optimal learning, aka focus.

Time: 3550.55

Those are very general mechanisms,

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they involve very basic molecules like adrenaline

Time: 3554.74

and epinephrin same thing actually,

Time: 3556.13

adrenaline and epinephrin.

Time: 3558.35

The number of stimuli, whether it's peppermint or ammonia,

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or a loud blast,

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the number of stimuli that can evoke

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that adrenaline response and that wake up response

Time: 3570.06

are near infinite.

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And that's the beauty of your nervous system,

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it was designed to take any variety of different stimuli

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placed them into categories,

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and then evoke different categories

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of very general responses.

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Now, you know a lot about olfaction

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and how the sense of smell works,

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here's another experiment that you can do.

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I'll ask you right now.

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Do you like, hate, or are you indifferent

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to the smell of microwave popcorn?

Time: 3598.48

Some people, including one member of my podcast staff

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says it's absolutely disgusting to them,

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they feel like it's completely nauseating.

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I don't mind it at all,

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in fact, I kind of like it.

Time: 3609.91

I think the smell of a microwave popcorn

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is kind of pleasant.

Time: 3612.453

I don't particularly like it,

Time: 3613.55

but it's certainly not unpleasant.

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Some people have a gene that makes them sensitive

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to the smell of things like microwave popcorn

Time: 3624.39

such that it smells like vomit.

Time: 3627.85

I probably don't have that gene

Time: 3629.94

because I find the smell

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of microwaved popcorn pretty pleasant.

Time: 3633.67

Some people hate the smell of cilantro,

Time: 3637.58

some people ingest asparagus,

Time: 3640.53

and when they urinate they can smell the asparagus

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in a very pungent way,

Time: 3644.68

other people can't smell it at all.

Time: 3647.06

These are variants in genes that encode

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for what are called olfactory receptors.

Time: 3653.89

Each olfactory sensory neuron expresses one odorant gene,

Time: 3658.63

one gene that codes for a receptor

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that responds to a particular odor.

Time: 3663.42

If you don't have that gene

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you will not respond to that odor.

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So, the reason why some people find the smell

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of microwave popcorn to be very noxious, putrid in fact,

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is because they have a gene that allows them

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to smell the kind of putrid odor within that.

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Other people who lack that gene just simply can't smell it,

Time: 3683.53

so we are not all the same

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with respect to our sensory experience.

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What one person finds delicious,

Time: 3689.43

another person might find disgusting.

Time: 3691.14

I'll give a good example

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which is that I absolutely despise

Time: 3695.55

Gorgonzola and blue cheese, absolutely despise it,

Time: 3698.59

it smells and tastes

Time: 3701.75

like dirty moldy socks to me.

Time: 3704.84

Some people love it, they crave it,

Time: 3706.59

actually, some people get a visceral response to it,

Time: 3708.947

and we will talk about how certain tastes

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can actually evoke very deep biological responses,

Time: 3715.63

even hormonal responses

Time: 3717.17

when we talk about taste in a few minutes.

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But there are these odors,

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for instance in popcorn

Time: 3722.82

it's the molecule 2-acetyl-1-pyrroline,

Time: 3727.84

not proline but pyrroline,

Time: 3729.78

that gives off to some people like me

Time: 3731.75

a toasted smell as the sugars in the kernels heat,

Time: 3734.87

but the compound is also found

Time: 3737.32

in things like white bread and jasmine rice,

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which don't have as pungent an odor,

Time: 3742.01

but some people smell that and it smells like cat urine.

Time: 3746.82

Now, there are scents like musky scents and musty scents

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that are secreted by animals like skunks

Time: 3754.45

and other animals of the so-called Mustelidae family.

Time: 3757.82

So, these would be ferrets and other animals that can spray

Time: 3761.6

in response to fear, or if they just want to mark a territory

Time: 3765.44

because they want to say that's mine.

Time: 3767.12

Dogs incidentally have scent glands that they rub on things,

Time: 3769.7

cats have them too.

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This musty odor, some people find actually quite pleasant,

Time: 3774.98

some people find it to be very noxious

Time: 3777.39

and that will depend of course on the concentration, right?

Time: 3780.76

I'll never forget the first time

Time: 3782.44

Costello got sprayed by a skunk and it was awful.

Time: 3786.13

I actually don't mind the smell of skunk at a distance,

Time: 3789.51

it's actually a little bit pleasant,

Time: 3790.7

I admit it's a little bit pleasant to me.

Time: 3792.84

I don't think that makes me too weird

Time: 3794.02

because if you ever read the book

Time: 3795.227

"All Quiet on the Western Front" about World War I,

Time: 3798.25

there's a description in there about the smell of skunk

Time: 3800.93

at a distance being mildly pleasant,

Time: 3802.87

so the author of that book probably shared

Time: 3805.23

a similar olfactory profile to me, or I to them rather,

Time: 3810.02

but some people find even the tiniest bit

Time: 3812.41

of the smell of skunk or musk to be noxious or awful.

Time: 3816.41

Now, of course in high concentrations, it's really awful.

Time: 3818.55

And unfortunately, poor Costello,

Time: 3819.72

he was like literally red-eyed and just snorting,

Time: 3823.41

and it was awful.

Time: 3824.48

There's a joke about dogs that says that dogs

Time: 3827.19

either get skunked one time and never again

Time: 3830.21

or 50 or a hundred times.

Time: 3831.5

Costello has been skunked no fewer,

Time: 3833.85

I'm not making this up,

Time: 3834.73

has been skunked no fewer than 103 times.

Time: 3838.16

And that's because if he sees something

Time: 3840.5

or hears something in the bushes, he just goes straight in,

Time: 3842.39

he does not learn.

Time: 3843.96

But if you like this, that musty scent or musky scent,

Time: 3848.69

well that says something about the genes that you express

Time: 3851.15

in your olfactory neurons,

Time: 3852.5

it is completely inherited.

Time: 3854.93

And if you don't like that scent,

Time: 3856.36

if it's really noxious

Time: 3857.45

or you have this response to microwave popcorn,

Time: 3859.19

well, that means you have a different compliment,

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a different constellation if you will

Time: 3863.77

of genes that make up for these olfactory sensory neurons

Time: 3867.75

and the receptors that they express.

Time: 3869.66

Let's talk about taste.

Time: 3871.29

Not whether or not you have taste or you don't have taste,

Time: 3873.9

there's no way for me to assess that,

Time: 3876.06

but rather how we taste things,

Time: 3879.51

meaning how we sense chemicals in food and in drink.

Time: 3884.44

There are essentially five,

Time: 3886.18

but scientists now believe there may be six things

Time: 3889.584

that we taste alone or in combination,

Time: 3893.89

they are sweet tastes,

Time: 3896.46

salty tastes, bitter tastes,

Time: 3900.42

sour tastes, and umami taste.

Time: 3904.8

Most of you probably heard of umami by now,

Time: 3906.91

it's U-M-A-M-I.

Time: 3909.69

Umami is actually the name for a particular receptor

Time: 3914.06

that you express on your tongue

Time: 3915.414

that detects savory tastes,

Time: 3920.02

so it's the kind of thing in braised meats.

Time: 3922.81

Sometimes people can even get the activation of umami

Time: 3926.92

by tomatoes or tomato sauces.

Time: 3931.1

What are each of these tastes

Time: 3932.77

and taste receptors responsible for?

Time: 3935.03

And then we'll talk about the sixth,

Time: 3936.43

maybe you can guess what it is,

Time: 3937.53

I don't know if you can guess it now.

Time: 3938.76

I couldn't guess it, but of the five tastes

Time: 3942.12

each one has a specific utility or function.

Time: 3946.41

Each one has a particular group of neurons in your mouth,

Time: 3951

in your tongue, believe it or not,

Time: 3953.31

that responds to particular chemicals

Time: 3955.88

and particular chemical structures.

Time: 3958.38

It is a total myth, complete fiction,

Time: 3961.45

that different parts of your tongue

Time: 3963.12

harbor different taste receptors.

Time: 3966.062

You know, that high school textbook diagram

Time: 3967.88

that you know sweet is in one part of the tongue

Time: 3969.81

and sour is in another,

Time: 3971.4

and bitters in another, complete fiction,

Time: 3973.57

just total fiction related to very old studies

Time: 3976.15

that were performed in a very poorly controlled way,

Time: 3978.77

no serious biologists

Time: 3980.96

and certainly no one that works on tastes

Time: 3982.37

would contend that that's the way

Time: 3985.28

that the taste receptors are organized,

Time: 3987

they are completely intermixed along your tongue.

Time: 3989.46

If you have heightened or decreased sensitivity

Time: 3992.61

to one of those five things I mentioned;

Time: 3994.66

sweet, salty, bitter, umami, or sour

Time: 3996.66

at one location in your tongue,

Time: 3997.86

it likely reflects the density of overall receptors

Time: 4003.17

or something going on in your brain,

Time: 4005.9

but not the differential distribution of those receptors.

Time: 4010.52

So, the sweet receptors are neurons that express

Time: 4014.03

a receptor that respond to sugars,

Time: 4017.56

in the same way that you have cones, photoreceptors,

Time: 4019.93

in your eye that respond to short,

Time: 4021.99

medium, or long wavelength light,

Time: 4023.78

meaning blueish, greenish, or reddish light.

Time: 4027.56

You have a neuron, or neurons plural,

Time: 4030.962

in your tongue that respond to sugars.

Time: 4035.92

And then those neurons, they don't say sweet,

Time: 4038.74

they don't actually send any sugar into the brain,

Time: 4041.21

they send what we call a volley,

Time: 4043.22

a barrage of action potentials of electrical signals

Time: 4045.73

off into the brain.

Time: 4046.9

It's an amazing system.

Time: 4048.55

So, all these receptors in your tongue

Time: 4050.4

make up what are called the neurons

Time: 4053.36

that give rise to a nerve,

Time: 4054.78

a collection of wires, nerve bundles

Time: 4057.51

of what's called the gustatory nerve,

Time: 4059.84

it goes from the tongue

Time: 4061.66

to the so-called nucleus of the solitary tract.

Time: 4064.427

And some of you requested names,

Time: 4066.3

I usually don't like to include too many names

Time: 4068.21

for sake of clarity,

Time: 4069.13

but the gustatory nerve from the tongue

Time: 4071.28

goes to the nucleus of the solitary tract

Time: 4073.45

and then to the thalamus and to insular cortex.

Time: 4076.65

You don't have to remember any of those names

Time: 4078.54

if you don't want to,

Time: 4079.43

but if you want mechanism, you want neural circuits,

Time: 4081.28

that's the circuit, gustatory nerve from the tongue,

Time: 4084.75

nucleus of the solitary tract in the brainstem,

Time: 4086.6

then the thalamus, and then insular cortex.

Time: 4089.13

And it is in insular cortex,

Time: 4090.62

this regenerate cortex that we sort out

Time: 4092.73

and make sense of and perceive the various tastes.

Time: 4096.05

Now, it's amazing because just taking a little bit

Time: 4099.64

of sugar or something sour

Time: 4101.43

like a little bit of lemon juice

Time: 4102.55

and touching it to the tongue

Time: 4104.23

within 100 milliseconds, right?

Time: 4107.38

Just 100 milliseconds, far less than one second,

Time: 4110.81

you can immediately distinguish

Time: 4112.71

ah, that's sour,

Time: 4113.73

that sweet, that's bitter, that's umami,

Time: 4117.18

and that's an assessment that's made by the cortex.

Time: 4121.66

Now, what to these different five receptors encode for?

Time: 4126.17

Well, sweet, salty, bitter, umami, sour,

Time: 4127.95

but what are they really looking for?

Time: 4129.87

What are they sensing?

Time: 4131.51

Well, sweet stuff signals the presence of energy, of sugars.

Time: 4135.86

And while we're all trying

Time: 4137.08

or we're told that we should eat less sugar

Time: 4140.24

for a variety of reasons,

Time: 4143.07

the ability to sense whether or not a food

Time: 4145.1

has rapid energy source

Time: 4147.91

or could give rise to glucose is essential

Time: 4149.92

so we have sweet receptors.

Time: 4151.49

The salty receptors, these neurons are trying to sense

Time: 4155.54

whether or not there are electrolytes

Time: 4158.12

in a given food or drink.

Time: 4160.81

Electrolytes are vitally important

Time: 4162.35

for the function of our nervous system,

Time: 4163.66

and for our entire body,

Time: 4164.79

sodium is what allows neurons to fire.

Time: 4168.18

What allows them to be electrically active.

Time: 4170.6

We also need potassium and magnesium,

Time: 4172.31

those are the ions that allow the neurons to be active.

Time: 4175.47

So the salty receptors,

Time: 4176.78

the reason that they are there

Time: 4178.64

is to make sure that we are getting enough,

Time: 4180.55

but not too much salt,

Time: 4182.22

we don't want to ingest things that are far too salty.

Time: 4186.82

Bitter receptors are there

Time: 4189.22

to make sure we don't ingest things that are poisonous.

Time: 4192.34

How do I know this?

Time: 4193.21

How can I say that?

Time: 4194.08

Even though I was definitely not consulted

Time: 4196.04

at the design phase, how can I say that?

Time: 4197.63

Well, the bitter receptors

Time: 4199.88

create a what we call labeled line,

Time: 4201.81

a unique trajectory to the neurons

Time: 4204.9

of the brainstem that control the [gags],

Time: 4207.2

the gag reflex.

Time: 4209.35

If we taste something very bitter

Time: 4211.5

it automatically triggers the gag reflex.

Time: 4214.56

Now, some people like bitter taste,

Time: 4215.83

I actually liked the taste of bitter coffee,

Time: 4217.81

children generally like sweet tastes

Time: 4219.46

more than bitter tastes,

Time: 4220.79

but even babies if they taste something bitter,

Time: 4222.68

they'll just immediately spit it up,

Time: 4224.083

it's like the gag reflex.

Time: 4226.06

Putrid smells will also evoke the same neurons,

Time: 4229.9

so some people are very sensitive,

Time: 4231.69

they have a very sensitive

Time: 4233.62

or low threshold vomit reflex,

Time: 4236.39

you're going to and there was somebody in my lab early on.

Time: 4239.782

And we never did this intentionally, and we're just laughing

Time: 4241.24

'cause it was so dramatic.

Time: 4243.24

How we would have a discussion,

Time: 4244.33

someone would say something about something kind of gross,

Time: 4248.16

appropriate for the workplace, but nonetheless gross,

Time: 4250.11

we are biologists,

Time: 4251.42

would say something and they would say, "Stop, stop stop,

Time: 4253.61

I'm going to throw up."

Time: 4254.71

You know and some people have a very low threshold

Time: 4257.66

quick gag reflex.

Time: 4259.78

Other people don't, other people have a very stable stomach,

Time: 4262.96

they don't, you know,

Time: 4263.793

they rarely, if ever vomit.

Time: 4266.42

The umami receptor isn't sensing savory

Time: 4270.06

because the body loves savory,

Time: 4272.49

it's because savory is a signal

Time: 4274.67

for the presence of amino acids.

Time: 4276.83

And we'll talk more about this,

Time: 4278.24

but the presence of amino acids

Time: 4281.03

in our gut and in our digestive system,

Time: 4283.79

and the presence of fatty acids is essential,

Time: 4287.28

there is in fact, no essential carbohydrate or sugar.

Time: 4291.01

Now, I'm not a huge proponent of ketogenic diets

Time: 4293.61

nor am I against them, I think it's highly individual,

Time: 4296.78

you have to decide what's right for you,

Time: 4298.83

but everybody needs amino acids to survive,

Time: 4302.1

the brain needs them and we need fatty acids,

Time: 4304.68

especially to build a healthy brain during development,

Time: 4306.93

you need amino acids and fatty acids.

Time: 4309.92

And the sour receptor, why would we have a sour receptor?

Time: 4313.33

So, that we could have those really like sour candies?

Time: 4316.13

I think they've gotten more and more sour over the years.

Time: 4317.96

I admit I don't eat candy much,

Time: 4320.03

but I do have a particular weakness

Time: 4322.6

for like a really good really sour like gummy peach

Time: 4327.96

or they if the gummy cherries are dipped

Time: 4329.83

in whatever that sour powder,

Time: 4331.21

so I was a kid who I admit it,

Time: 4333.03

I liked the LIK-M-AID thing,

Time: 4334.36

I'd like drink the powder.

Time: 4335.65

Please don't do this, don't give this garbage to your kids,

Time: 4339.838

but I liked it, it was tasty,

Time: 4341.72

but sour receptors are not there

Time: 4345.06

so that you can ingest gummy sour gummy peaches

Time: 4348.01

or something like that, that's not why the system evolved,

Time: 4351.05

it's there and we know it's there

Time: 4354.01

to detect the presence of spoiled or fermented food.

Time: 4358.05

Fermented fruit has a sour element to it,

Time: 4360.84

and fermented things while certainly some fermented foods

Time: 4364.18

like sauerkraut, and kimchi, and things of that sort

Time: 4366.21

can be very healthy for us

Time: 4367.37

and are very healthy in reducing inflammation,

Time: 4369.35

there's great data on that,

Time: 4371.99

pro quality microbiome, et cetera.

Time: 4377.72

Fermented fruit can be poisonous, right?

Time: 4379.73

Alcohols are poisonous in many forms to our system

Time: 4383.93

and the sour receptor bearing neurons

Time: 4388.24

communicate to an area of the brainstem

Time: 4390.58

that evokes the pucker response,

Time: 4393.35

closing of the eyes and essentially shutting of the mouth,

Time: 4396.6

and cringing away.

Time: 4398.08

I think cringe is like a thing now,

Time: 4399.3

my niece, whenever I seem to say something or do something

Time: 4402.13

it's either an eye-roll, a cringe, or both in combination.

Time: 4406.5

So the sour, the sweet,

Time: 4409.86

the salty, the bitter, and the umami system,

Time: 4412.4

were not there so that we could have this wonderful pallet

Time: 4415.36

of foods that we enjoy so much,

Time: 4418.35

they'll allow us to do that, but they're there to make sure

Time: 4420.66

that we bring in certain things

Time: 4421.87

to our system and that we don't ingest other things.

Time: 4424.91

Now, what's the sixth sense

Time: 4427.71

within the taste system?

Time: 4428.94

Not sixth sense generally, but within the taste system.

Time: 4430.81

What's this putative possible sixth receptor?

Time: 4434.48

I already kind of hinted at it

Time: 4436.23

when I talked about fatty acids,

Time: 4438.2

there are now data to support the idea

Time: 4441.87

although there's still more work that needs to be done

Time: 4443.94

that we also have receptors on our tongue that sense fat.

Time: 4448.09

And that because fat is so vital for the function

Time: 4452.28

of our nervous system and the other organs of our body

Time: 4455.21

that we are sensing the fat content in food,

Time: 4457.96

maybe this is why I can only eat half,

Time: 4461.27

but no less than half of a jar of almond butter

Time: 4463.61

or peanut butter in one sitting.

Time: 4465.26

I just can't, unless it's not salted,

Time: 4466.77

in which case, it makes no sense to me.

Time: 4468.8

But it's remarkable how that texture,

Time: 4473.4

and also the flavor, but that texture of fat.

Time: 4476.51

I love butter, I am guilty,

Time: 4478.28

and Costello is definitely guilty of eating pats of butter

Time: 4481.15

from time to time, I have no guilt about this.

Time: 4483.01

People eat pats of cheese,

Time: 4484.16

why shouldn't we eat a pat of butter?

Time: 4486.25

If you think that's gross

Time: 4487.34

then maybe I have a greater abundance

Time: 4490.14

of the fat receptors in my tongue,

Time: 4492.34

maybe I have a fat tongue than you do.

Time: 4495.37

But nonetheless, the ability to sense fat here in our mouth

Time: 4499.63

seems to be critical,

Time: 4501.36

you can imagine why that is.

Time: 4504.21

I want to talk about the tongue

Time: 4506.16

and the mouth as an extension of your digestive tract.

Time: 4509.94

I know that might not be pleasant to think about,

Time: 4512.07

but when you look at it

Time: 4513.14

through the lens that I'm about to provide,

Time: 4515.07

it will completely change the way you think

Time: 4516.65

about the gut brain

Time: 4517.8

and about all the stuff that you've heard

Time: 4519.01

in these recent years about oh, we have this second brain,

Time: 4522.53

it's all these neurons in our gut,

Time: 4523.7

I've been chuckling through these last few years

Time: 4527.01

as people have gotten so excited about the gut brain,

Time: 4529.42

not because of their excitement,

Time: 4530.82

I think that excitement is wonderful,

Time: 4532.28

but we always knew that the nervous system

Time: 4534.13

extended out of the brain and into the body,

Time: 4538.44

and people seem kind of overwhelmed

Time: 4540.61

and surprised by the idea that we have neurons in our gut

Time: 4543.7

that can sense things like sugars and fatty acids.

Time: 4546.56

And I think those are beautiful discoveries,

Time: 4548.27

don't get me wrong.

Time: 4549.103

Diego Bohorquez's lab out of Duke University

Time: 4551.57

has done beautiful studies showing that

Time: 4553.81

within the mucosal lining of our gut

Time: 4556.39

we have neurons that sense fatty acids,

Time: 4558.53

sugars, and amino acids,

Time: 4560.9

and that when we ingest something

Time: 4562.93

that contains one or two or three of those things,

Time: 4565.51

there's a signal sent via the vagus nerve

Time: 4567.97

up into what's called the nodose ganglion,

Time: 4570.9

N-O-D-O-S-E,

Time: 4573.11

and then into the brain where it secretes dopamine

Time: 4575.57

which makes us want more of that thing,

Time: 4577.36

it makes us more motivated to pursue

Time: 4579.9

and eat more of that thing,

Time: 4581.66

that's either fatty, or umami, savory,

Time: 4585.29

or has a sweet taste,

Time: 4587.95

any one or two or three of those qualities,

Time: 4591.7

independent of the taste.

Time: 4593.55

Now, I think those are beautiful data,

Time: 4595.28

but we know that this thing, the mouth.

Time: 4598.057

And for those of you listening

Time: 4599.11

I've just got my couple of fingers in my mouth,

Time: 4600.67

that's why I sound like I've got something in my mouth.

Time: 4604.8

This thing in the front of our face,

Time: 4606.67

we use it for speaking,

Time: 4607.61

but it is the front of our digestive tract.

Time: 4609.58

We are essentially a series of tubes

Time: 4611.81

and that tube starts with your mouth

Time: 4614.5

and heads down into your stomach.

Time: 4616.42

And so, that you would sense

Time: 4619.13

so much of the chemical constituents

Time: 4621.03

of the stuff that you might bring into your body

Time: 4623.75

or that you might want to expel and not swallow

Time: 4626.15

or not interact with by being able to smell is it putrid?

Time: 4629.91

Does it smell good?

Time: 4631.4

Does it taste good?

Time: 4632.36

Is this safe?

Time: 4633.193

Is it salty?

Time: 4634.026

Is it so sour that it's fermented and it's going to poison me?

Time: 4637.24

Is it so bitter that it could poison me?

Time: 4639.73

Is it so savory that, mmm,

Time: 4642.12

yes. I want more and more of this.

Time: 4643.91

Well, then you'd want to trigger dopamine,

Time: 4645.25

that's all starting in the mouth.

Time: 4647.33

So, you have to understand that you were equipped

Time: 4651.12

with this amazing chemical sensing apparatus,

Time: 4654.68

we call your mouth and your tongue.

Time: 4656.74

And those little bumps on your tongue

Time: 4658.42

that they call the papillae,

Time: 4659.96

those are not your taste buds.

Time: 4661.57

Surrounding those little papillae

Time: 4664.38

like little rivers are these little dents and indentations.

Time: 4668.22

And what dents and indentations do in a tissue

Time: 4670.92

is they allow more surface area,

Time: 4672.52

they allow you to pack more receptors.

Time: 4674.72

So, down in those grooves are where all these little neurons

Time: 4677.65

and their little processes are

Time: 4680.65

with these little receptors

Time: 4681.71

for sweet, salty, bitter, umami, sour,

Time: 4683.67

and maybe fat as well.

Time: 4685.007

And so, it's this incredible device

Time: 4686.75

that you've been equipped with,

Time: 4688.05

that you can use to interact

Time: 4689.55

with various components of the outside world

Time: 4692

and decide whether or not you want to bring them in or not.

Time: 4695.35

Just as you can lose those olfactory neurons,

Time: 4697.67

if you happen to get hit on the head

Time: 4699.66

or you have some other thing,

Time: 4702.08

maybe it was an infection that caused loss

Time: 4704.04

of those olfactory sensory neurons,

Time: 4706.01

you can also lose taste receptors in your mouth.

Time: 4709.68

If you've ever eaten something that's too hot,

Time: 4713.87

not spicy hot, but too hot,

Time: 4716.34

you burn your tongue, you burn receptors.

Time: 4720.04

It takes about a week to recover those receptors.

Time: 4723.55

For some people it's a little bit more quickly,

Time: 4725.87

but if you burn your tongue badly

Time: 4727.84

by ingesting a soup that's too hot

Time: 4729.38

or a beverage that's too hot,

Time: 4730.46

you will greatly reduce your sense of taste

Time: 4733.12

for essentially all tastes.

Time: 4736.72

And that's because those neurons sit very shallow

Time: 4741.32

beneath the tongue's surface,

Time: 4742.95

and so that if you put something too hot on,

Time: 4744.28

you literally just burn those neurons away.

Time: 4746.06

Luckily those neurons also can replenish themselves.

Time: 4749.41

Those neurons are of the peripheral nervous system,

Time: 4752.79

and like all peripheral system neurons

Time: 4754.78

they can replenish or regenerate.

Time: 4757.55

So, if you burn your mouth in about a week or so

Time: 4760.14

hopefully sooner you'll be able to taste again.

Time: 4763.06

In fact, everybody's ability to taste

Time: 4767

is highly subject to training.

Time: 4769.1

You can really enhance your ability to taste

Time: 4771.45

and taste the different component parts of different foods

Time: 4775.2

simply by paying attention to what you're trying to taste,

Time: 4778.92

this is an amazing aspect of the taste system.

Time: 4782.37

I think more than any other system,

Time: 4784.16

the taste system and perhaps the smell system as well

Time: 4787.2

can be trained so that you can learn to pick out the tones,

Time: 4792.33

if you will of different ice cream,

Time: 4795.97

or different beverages.

Time: 4798.56

I'm somebody who, you know,

Time: 4799.67

I don't drink much alcohol,

Time: 4800.8

I'll occasionally have a drink or something,

Time: 4802.46

but a while ago I got to taste a bunch of different

Time: 4807.44

white tequilas, these are different kinds of tequilas

Time: 4809.86

that are, they're not brown, they're white.

Time: 4811.72

And I sort of assumed that all tequila was disgusting,

Time: 4815.97

that was my assumption before doing this.

Time: 4816.84

And then I tasted a couple of white tequilas

Time: 4818.76

and I realized oh, those aren't aren't too bad.

Time: 4820.53

I tasted a few more,

Time: 4822.12

and then pretty soon I could really start to detect

Time: 4824.52

the nuance and the difference.

Time: 4825.84

Now, I haven't had a tequilas in a long time,

Time: 4828.06

now I sort of tend to not drink at all these days,

Time: 4830.53

but in a very short period of time like a couple of days

Time: 4833.3

I got very good at detecting which things I liked

Time: 4835.84

and I could start to pick out tones.

Time: 4837.69

So, I'm not a wine drinker,

Time: 4839.19

but for those of you that are,

Time: 4840.7

you know, you hear about oh, it has floral tones,

Time: 4842.82

or berry tones, or chocolate tones.

Time: 4844.85

You know, some of that is just kind of menu-based

Time: 4848.71

and kind of marketing-based silliness

Time: 4851.29

designed to get you excited

Time: 4852.97

about what you're about to ingest.

Time: 4854.24

But some of it is real,

Time: 4855.72

and for people that are skilled

Time: 4857.41

in assessing wines or assessing foods.

Time: 4861.13

I'm much more of an eater than a drinker,

Time: 4863.15

you can really start to develop a sensitive palate,

Time: 4866.04

a nuanced palette through what we call top-down mechanisms.

Time: 4869.62

This olfactory cortex that takes these five,

Time: 4873.03

maybe the sixth fat receptor too,

Time: 4874.9

information and tries to make sense

Time: 4877.51

of what's out there in the world.

Time: 4879

And what its utility is, is it good? Is it bad?

Time: 4882.41

Do I want more of it or less than it?

Time: 4884.2

That neural circuitry is unlike other neural circuitry

Time: 4887.78

in that it seems very amenable

Time: 4889.72

to behavioral plasticity for whatever reason,

Time: 4893.29

and we could talk about what those reasons might be.

Time: 4895.61

You know, it's interesting sometimes

Time: 4896.87

to think about how your taste literally, chemical taste,

Time: 4901.23

is probably very different than that of other people,

Time: 4903.88

how a food tastes to you is probably very different

Time: 4906.71

than how it tastes to somebody else.

Time: 4907.93

The same probably cannot be said of something

Time: 4910.24

like vision or hearing, unless you're somebody

Time: 4912.7

who has perfect pitch or your color vision is disrupted,

Time: 4916.75

or you're a mantis shrimp,

Time: 4917.97

chances are when we look at the same object

Time: 4920.16

two people are seeing more or less the same object

Time: 4923.06

or perceiving it in a very similar way.

Time: 4925.4

There are experiments that essentially establish that.

Time: 4928.08

Now we, have taste receptors

Time: 4930.18

and a lot of those tastes receptors,

Time: 4931.06

their chemical structures are known,

Time: 4933.16

they come with fancy names like the T1R1 or the T1R2,

Time: 4937.94

which were identified as the sweet and umami receptors.

Time: 4941.98

So, what's interesting is that this umami flavor

Time: 4945.14

is the savory flavor rather

Time: 4946.883

that's sensed by umami receptors is very close

Time: 4950.4

to the receptor that detects sweet things.

Time: 4954.5

Similarly, bitter is sensed

Time: 4957.39

by a whole other set of receptors.

Time: 4959.63

Now, there's a fun naturally occurring experiment

Time: 4962.8

that will forever change the way that you look at animals,

Time: 4967.03

and the way certainly that I think about dogs

Time: 4969.21

and Costello in particular.

Time: 4971.47

Carnivorous large animals like tigers

Time: 4975.39

and some grizzly bears for instance,

Time: 4978.08

we know that they have no ability to detect sweet,

Time: 4982.07

they don't actually have the receptors

Time: 4984.34

for sweet on their tongue,

Time: 4986.79

but their concentration of umami receptors

Time: 4989.43

of their ability to detect savory

Time: 4992.1

is at least 5,000 times that which it is in humans.

Time: 4996.88

In other words, if I eat a little piece of steak,

Time: 5000.52

or Costello eats a little piece of steak,

Time: 5003.77

that steak probably tastes much,

Time: 5006.4

much more savory than it does to me.

Time: 5011.03

So dogs, and tigers, and bears, et cetera,

Time: 5015.05

they're going to taste savory things and smell savory things

Time: 5018.51

with a much higher degree of sensitivity,

Time: 5021.03

but they can't taste sweet things.

Time: 5022.64

Other large animals, which are mostly herbivores

Time: 5025.33

like the panda bear for instance.

Time: 5028.25

It's hard to believe that thing is even a bear,

Time: 5030.11

I got nothing against pandas,

Time: 5031.52

I just think that they get a little bit too much

Time: 5033.67

of the limelight frankly.

Time: 5035.99

So, no vendetta against Panda, save the pandas,

Time: 5038.23

I hope they replenish all the pandas,

Time: 5039.48

but pandas in all their whatever

Time: 5044.02

have no umami receptors, they can't taste savory,

Time: 5047.62

but they have greatly heightened density of sweet receptors.

Time: 5051.74

So, there they are eating these whatever bamboos all day

Time: 5054.76

or not bamboozle, but bamboos all day

Time: 5058.39

and they can taste things that are very sweet

Time: 5062

with a much higher degree of intensity.

Time: 5064.66

And in general, animals that are more gentle

Time: 5069.99

that are herbivores, excuse me.

Time: 5072.3

Or animals that have the propensity for aggression,

Time: 5075.01

that's where you really see the divergence

Time: 5076.73

of the umami receptor

Time: 5078.06

because it's associated with meat and amino acids.

Time: 5080.7

And where you see the enhancement of the sweet receptors

Time: 5084.41

for animals that eat a lot of plants and fruits,

Time: 5087.11

and they probably taste very different to them

Time: 5089.34

than they do to you and me.

Time: 5091.04

And, so it's interesting to note

Time: 5093.07

that animals that eat meat, that eat other organisms

Time: 5097.2

can actually extract more savory experience from that.

Time: 5100.25

What does this mean for you?

Time: 5101.5

All right, do you associate yourself as a tiger,

Time: 5104.32

or a grizzly bear, or a panda, or a combination of both?

Time: 5106.87

Most people are omnivores.

Time: 5108.44

However, you may find it interesting that people

Time: 5112.06

that for instance eat a pure carnivore type diet

Time: 5115.99

or a keto diet where they are ingesting a lot of meat,

Time: 5119.33

so therefore are sensing a lot of umami flavors.

Time: 5122.63

And I realized not everyone who's keto eats meat,

Time: 5125.42

but those who do that will develop a more sensitive palate

Time: 5129.28

and likely there are some data, although early data,

Time: 5132.49

craving for umami-like foods.

Time: 5135.32

Whereas people that eat a more plant-based diet

Time: 5138.96

are likely developing a heightened sensitivity

Time: 5143.5

and desire for, and maybe even dopamine response to sugars

Time: 5147.49

and plant-based foods.

Time: 5149.1

Now, this is my partial attempt to reconcile

Time: 5152.21

the kind of online battle that seems to exist

Time: 5155.49

between plant-based versus animal-based,

Time: 5159.27

purely plant-based or purely animal-based diets.

Time: 5162.11

I think most people are omnivores,

Time: 5163.89

but it's kind of interesting to think

Time: 5165.183

that the systems are plastic

Time: 5168.27

such that people might want more meat

Time: 5170.45

if they eat more meat,

Time: 5171.38

people might want more plants

Time: 5172.82

if they eat enough plants for a long period of time.

Time: 5175.55

And this might explain some of the chasm that exists

Time: 5178.33

between these two groups.

Time: 5179.8

Now, this is not to say anything about the ethical

Time: 5183.05

or the environmental impacts of different things,

Time: 5184.75

I don't even want to get into that

Time: 5185.87

because the meat people say that the plant-based diets

Time: 5188.1

have as much a negative impact

Time: 5189.71

as the plant people say that the meat based diets,

Time: 5191.64

that's a totally different discussion.

Time: 5193.13

What I'm talking about here is food craving and food seeking

Time: 5196.75

and one's ability to detect these umami, savory flavors

Time: 5200.49

is going to be enhanced by ingesting more meat

Time: 5202.77

and less activation of the sweet receptors.

Time: 5205.51

So in other words, the more meat you eat

Time: 5207.41

the more you're going to become like a tiger, so to speak.

Time: 5210.88

And the more that you avoid these umami flavors and meats

Time: 5215.01

and the more that you would eat plant-based foods

Time: 5217.37

and in particular sweet foods,

Time: 5218.86

the more you will likely suppress that umami system

Time: 5222.55

and that you will have a heightened desire for,

Time: 5226.53

appetite for and sensing of sweet foods

Time: 5229.94

or foods that contain sugars.

Time: 5231.98

What I'm about to tell you is going to seem crazy,

Time: 5235.14

but is extremely interesting

Time: 5237.57

with respect to taste and taste receptors.

Time: 5241.11

Remember, even though we can enjoy food

Time: 5244.1

and we can evolve our sense

Time: 5245.42

of what's tasty or not tasty, depending on life decisions,

Time: 5249.13

environmental changes, et cetera,

Time: 5251.04

the taste system just like the olfactory system

Time: 5252.747

and the visual system

Time: 5254.19

was laid down for the purpose

Time: 5256.66

of moving towards things that are good for us

Time: 5259.42

and moving away from things that are bad for us,

Time: 5261.41

that's the kind of core function of the nervous system.

Time: 5265.56

Well, taste receptors are not just expressed on the tongue,

Time: 5270.87

they are expressed in other cells and other tissues as well.

Time: 5274.2

Some of you may be able to imagine foods

Time: 5277.1

that are so delicious to you

Time: 5278.47

that they make your entire body feel good.

Time: 5281.61

Or foods that are so horrifically awful to think about

Time: 5286.44

let alone taste, that they create a whole body shuddering

Time: 5290.34

or kind of repellent-type response

Time: 5292.73

where you just either cringe or turn your face away

Time: 5295.81

even in the absence of that food.

Time: 5297.68

That's sort of how I feel about pungent, Gorgonzola cheese.

Time: 5301.75

If you like Gorgonzola cheese, I don't judge you,

Time: 5305.49

I just, that's an individual difference.

Time: 5307.61

I happen to love certain foods,

Time: 5309.62

I do like savory foods very much.

Time: 5312.89

I, when I think about them,

Time: 5314.53

they just they make me feel good.

Time: 5317.02

And I'm oftentimes not even associating

Time: 5319.97

with the taste of those foods,

Time: 5321.29

it feels almost like a visceral thing.

Time: 5323.56

Well, it turns out that some of the taste receptors

Time: 5325.75

extend beyond the tongue,

Time: 5327.45

that they actually can extend

Time: 5329.14

into portions of the gut and digestive system.

Time: 5332.11

And if that's not strange enough,

Time: 5335.49

turns out that some of the taste receptors

Time: 5337.32

are actually expressed on the ovaries and the testes.

Time: 5342.77

So, what that means is that the gonads,

Time: 5344.75

the very cells, and tissues, and organs in our body

Time: 5348.15

that make up the reproductive axis

Time: 5351.01

are expressing taste receptors.

Time: 5353.08

Okay, so how do we interpret this?

Time: 5354.25

Does this mean that when you eat something

Time: 5355.91

that's very savory or very sweet for instance,

Time: 5359.21

that it's triggering activation

Time: 5361.35

of the ovaries or of the testes?

Time: 5364.45

Well, it's possible.

Time: 5367.02

Now, how those molecules,

Time: 5369.26

those chemical molecules would actually get there

Time: 5371.36

isn't clear, the digestive track does not run directly

Time: 5374.78

to the testes or to the ovaries.

Time: 5376.86

But nonetheless, what this means is that chemical sensing

Time: 5380.06

of the very things that we detect on our tongue

Time: 5381.937

and that we call taste in quotes in food

Time: 5386.7

is also evoking

Time: 5389.52

cellular responses within the reproductive gonads.

Time: 5394.48

Now, whether or not this underlies the positive association

Time: 5397.57

that we have with certain foods isn't clear,

Time: 5400.33

but I'd be remiss if I didn't point out the obvious,

Time: 5404.63

which is that the relationship between the sensual nature

Time: 5410.01

of particular foods

Time: 5411.96

and sensuality generally and the reproductive axis

Time: 5416.2

is something that's been covered in many movies,

Time: 5419.15

there are entire movies that are focused

Time: 5421.29

on the relationship between for instance,

Time: 5423.72

chocolate and love and reproductive behaviors,

Time: 5426.97

or certain feasts of meat

Time: 5430.96

and their wonderful tastes

Time: 5433.36

and the kind of sensuality around feasts

Time: 5436.67

of different types of foods,

Time: 5438.52

but in general, it's the sweet and the savory,

Time: 5441.79

rarely is it the sour or the bitter, the salty or the fat.

Time: 5446.23

And not surprisingly perhaps,

Time: 5449.29

it is the T2Rs and the T1Rs,

Time: 5451.603

the receptors that are associated with the sweet

Time: 5454.58

and with the umami, the savory flavors

Time: 5457.61

that are expressed not just on the tongue

Time: 5459.74

and in portions of the digestive tract,

Time: 5462.09

but on the gonads themselves.

Time: 5464.31

So, what does this mean?

Time: 5465.38

Does this mean that eating certain foods

Time: 5466.99

can stimulate the gonads?

Time: 5468.76

Maybe, there's no data that immediately

Time: 5470.66

support that right now, but this is an emerging area.

Time: 5474.69

If you'd like to read more about this

Time: 5477.12

there's a great review,

Time: 5478.76

entitled Taste perception: From the tongue to the testis,

Time: 5481.99

although they do also talk about the ovaries.

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Why they didn't include that in the title

Time: 5486.21

is I think a reflection of the bias of the author.

Time: 5489.73

The author indeed not incidentally is Feng Li,

Time: 5494.045

last name L-I.

Time: 5496.361

It's a very interesting paper published

Time: 5498.55

in Molecular Human Reproduction.

Time: 5502.2

You can find it easily online, it's downloadable,

Time: 5504.19

I'll also provide a link to it.

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I just think it's fascinating

Time: 5507.65

that these taste receptors are expressed in other tissues.

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And I should mention that they're expressed

Time: 5511.35

in tissues of other areas of the body as well,

Time: 5514.53

including the respiratory system,

Time: 5516.82

but the richest aggregation

Time: 5520.42

or concentration of these receptors

Time: 5521.87

for umami and sweet of course is on the tongue,

Time: 5524.13

but also on the gonads.

Time: 5525.78

And I think it does speak

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to the possible bridge between

Time: 5529.69

what we think of as a sensory

Time: 5532.19

or a sensual experience of food

Time: 5534.51

and the deeper kind of visceral sense within the gut,

Time: 5538.09

and maybe even within the gonads as well

Time: 5540.09

of something that we find extremely pleasurable,

Time: 5542.64

or even appetitive that we want to move toward it.

Time: 5546.32

We are actually going to return to that general theme

Time: 5548.85

in the discussion about touch sensation.

Time: 5552.24

Some people for instance,

Time: 5554.58

when they touch certain surfaces like furs,

Time: 5558.09

or sheep skins, or velvet,

Time: 5561.41

or soft, smooth surfaces

Time: 5563.63

it feels good elsewhere in their body,

Time: 5566.27

not just at the point of contact with that surface.

Time: 5570.77

And similarly, if there's the...

Time: 5574.18

How about this one?

Time: 5575.013

The screech of chalk on a chalkboard, it's a sound,

Time: 5578.12

but it has a very strong visceral component,

Time: 5580.77

or sandpaper, like fingernails on a chalkboard,

Time: 5584.48

not the sound, but the feeling, right?

Time: 5586.66

Exactly, so our whole nervous system is tuned

Time: 5589.52

to either be drawn toward appetitive,

Time: 5592.38

or repelled by aversive behaviors, right?

Time: 5595.86

So there's this push-pull that exists,

Time: 5597.81

and what I'm referring to in terms of these receptors

Time: 5599.97

on the tongue that are also expressed on the gonads

Time: 5602.14

is yet another example of what at least in this case

Time: 5604.39

seems to be an appetitive thing,

Time: 5606.78

a desire to move toward certain foods

Time: 5609.54

and maybe even the experiences

Time: 5610.86

that are associated with those foods.

Time: 5612.43

I want to talk about a particular aspect

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of food and a chemical reaction in cooking

Time: 5617.72

called the Maillard reaction.

Time: 5619.34

Some of you have probably heard of the Maillard reaction,

Time: 5621.58

it's spelled M-A-I-L-L-A-R-D.

Time: 5625.58

The D is silent, so don't call it the Maillard reaction,

Time: 5628.77

and it's not the Maillard reaction,

Time: 5631.07

it is the Maillard reaction.

Time: 5632.73

And the Maillard reaction is a reaction

Time: 5635.02

that for the aficionados is a non-enzymatic browning.

Time: 5638.57

The other form of non-enzymatic browning is caramelization,

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although when you hear caramel, carmel,

Time: 5644.79

I think it's caramel.

Time: 5646

You think sweet, and indeed caramelization is a sugar-sugar

Time: 5651.16

chemical interaction that leads to a kind of nicely toasted

Time: 5655.66

not burnt, but nicely toasted sweet taste.

Time: 5658.68

Whereas the Maillard reaction is that really savory reaction

Time: 5662.53

that occurs when you have a sugar amino acid reaction.

Time: 5665.41

Remember, we have neurons in our gut,

Time: 5667.01

but also neurons in our tongue

Time: 5669.37

and neurons deep in the brain that are comparing the amount

Time: 5672.61

of sugar to savory.

Time: 5675.84

Okay, and the Maillard reaction is very interesting

Time: 5678.55

for you chemists out there,

Time: 5680

this is going to be way too elementary.

Time: 5681.47

And for you non-chemists

Time: 5682.4

it's probably going to be a little bit of a reach,

Time: 5683.99

but just bear with me, all these chemicals that we sense

Time: 5687.32

have a different structure,

Time: 5688.44

it's like hydrogens, and oxygens,

Time: 5689.99

and aldehyde groups, and all these things.

Time: 5691.38

And basically the Maillard reaction

Time: 5693.04

involves what's called a free aldehyde.

Time: 5695.07

If you didn't like chemistry, don't worry about it,

Time: 5697.59

it's basically got a group there that kind of sits open

Time: 5701.09

that allows it to interact

Time: 5702.53

with other things and actually through the use of heat

Time: 5705.76

and the process that we call brazing,

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which I'll talk about in a moment

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you create a what's called a ketone group.

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Now, most people now have heard of ketones

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'cause they think about the ketogenic diet,

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but a ketone group is actually a chemical compound

Time: 5720.65

that can be used for energy,

Time: 5721.98

and that's why people say you can use ketones for energy,

Time: 5724.46

but if you've ever actually encountered ketones,

Time: 5728.14

if you for instance, get liquid ketones,

Time: 5730.701

a ketone ester, and you smell it,

Time: 5732.88

what does it smell like?

Time: 5734.13

It smells a little bit like an alcohol,

Time: 5736.55

but it has a kind of savory taste,

Time: 5739.95

even when you smell it.

Time: 5741.48

Okay, there are other smells that have these tastes too,

Time: 5744.19

but for the Maillard reaction

Time: 5746.24

which could be created for instance

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like if you took a piece of meat,

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or if you're not a meat eater

Time: 5750.44

if you took tomatoes and you cook them in a pan

Time: 5753.05

and you cooked it nice and slow till it's simmered

Time: 5754.97

and almost started to brown and burn a little bit.

Time: 5757.23

Usually if I do it burns, I'm not a good cook

Time: 5760.14

as Costello points out a lot,

Time: 5762.05

but it gets that like almost tangy, very umami-like flavor.

Time: 5767.81

And sometimes it will even stick to the pan,

Time: 5770.02

if you scrape it off

Time: 5771.227

and actually you can taste it in your mouth

Time: 5773.43

as you're cooking it.

Time: 5774.64

That's the Maillard reaction,

Time: 5775.9

that's that free aldehyde group,

Time: 5777.28

and that's the production of a ketone group.

Time: 5781.03

When you smell ketones, it smells very much like that.

Time: 5785.32

Okay, some people talk about the ketones

Time: 5787.26

will produce like fruity breath.

Time: 5788.8

And that's true if people are really far into ketosis,

Time: 5791.12

their breath has a kind of fruity odor,

Time: 5792.61

that's a little bit of a different thing.

Time: 5794.33

So, the relationship between smell and taste

Time: 5796.94

is a very, very close one.

Time: 5799.43

And this is why when people drink wine

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they often will inhale and then sip,

Time: 5803.49

some of that is just kind of like pomp

Time: 5805.12

and circumstance frankly, they make a big deal of it,

Time: 5808.35

but they can sense things with their mouth.

Time: 5812.23

The combination of odor receptors

Time: 5815.14

being activated in a particular way,

Time: 5817.24

and taste receptors in the mouth being activated

Time: 5819.44

in a particular way, triggers the activation

Time: 5821.72

of multiple brain areas that are associated with taste,

Time: 5824.58

and circuitry within the body

Time: 5826.82

that's associated with the behaviors

Time: 5829.15

that relate to that taste like leaning toward it,

Time: 5831.98

or leaning away from it

Time: 5833.11

depending on whether or not it's appetitive or aversive.

Time: 5835.97

So the Maillard reaction is a very interesting reaction

Time: 5838.87

involving this sugar amino acid thing,

Time: 5841.9

but really it's what it's doing is heating up food

Time: 5845.15

such that the amino acids are more available

Time: 5849.9

literally in their chemical form

Time: 5851.37

for detection by the neurons.

Time: 5853.4

This is a phenomenon that occurs

Time: 5854.69

in other domains of the taste system.

Time: 5857.87

For instance, a lot of what's happened

Time: 5860.43

with highly processed foods

Time: 5862.91

is that manufacturers have figured out

Time: 5865.7

how to trigger more dopamine response

Time: 5868.37

by ingestion of these sugary foods and created textures,

Time: 5872.39

and created essentially design of foods for two purposes.

Time: 5875.76

I'm not out to completely demonize processed food,

Time: 5878.95

I did that in a previous episode,

Time: 5880.75

but processed foods are really designed to take foods

Time: 5884.54

that ordinarily would spoil, that would have a shelf life

Time: 5886.74

and extend their shelf life

Time: 5887.72

to turn foods which are not a commodity into a commodity.

Time: 5890.74

Something could be stored and used essentially as a tradable

Time: 5896.31

purchasable, sellable resource.

Time: 5899.16

In doing that they change,

Time: 5900.53

they've also decided to change the texture

Time: 5902.6

so that you want to chew more of them.

Time: 5904.77

Like I have this thing

Time: 5905.7

I don't know what it is for those Triscuit crackers.

Time: 5908.9

I don't know why are those things so good?

Time: 5910.16

It's probably the texture, got those layers,

Time: 5912.33

they're just kind of perfectly salty.

Time: 5913.83

I haven't had one in a long time,

Time: 5914.84

so I bet if I had one now it wouldn't taste as good

Time: 5916.82

as I'm imagining it.

Time: 5918.04

But those combinations of texture, smell, and taste

Time: 5922.61

are what combine to activate these different brain areas

Time: 5924.83

that make you really want to desire something.

Time: 5927.47

And the people who make foods,

Time: 5929.13

processed foods in particular,

Time: 5930.91

are phenomenally good at figuring out

Time: 5933.63

what drives the dopamine system and makes you want more

Time: 5936.07

of these things either because of the way they taste

Time: 5938.76

and/or because of the way they trigger neurons

Time: 5940.67

in your gut that have nothing to do with taste

Time: 5942.5

that simply make you desire more of the food.

Time: 5944.65

In other words, many of the foods that are processed foods

Time: 5948.42

make you desire more of them,

Time: 5950.39

it's impossible to eat one chip kind of thing.

Time: 5953.3

Not because they taste good,

Time: 5954.61

but because in your gut they're activating the neurons

Time: 5957.66

that activate dopamine

Time: 5958.66

which make you seek more of those foods

Time: 5960.91

independent of blood sugar or anything else.

Time: 5963.87

So, you may actually be eating more particular foods

Time: 5966.73

not because they taste good,

Time: 5968.62

but because they feel good on your tongue and mouth,

Time: 5972.85

and because the neurons in your gut

Time: 5974.83

which are totally independent of conscious taste

Time: 5977.18

are triggering the release of dopamine

Time: 5978.73

which is a molecule that makes you seek more of,

Time: 5981.37

and do more of anything

Time: 5982.5

that led to the ingestion of that food.

Time: 5985.01

There's a fun experiment that you can do,

Time: 5987.32

which is to completely invert your sense of sweet and sour,

Time: 5993.16

there's actually a way to do this readily.

Time: 5994.98

When I was a post-doc,

Time: 5996.86

I used to have a journal club at my house,

Time: 5999.01

people would come over in the evening once a month,

Time: 6001.9

and we would read a paper,

Time: 6003.2

typically the weirdest paper we could find

Time: 6005.17

and we would eat food and hang out,

Time: 6008.147

that's what nerds did and do for fun,

Time: 6011.71

so that's what we did.

Time: 6012.92

And one time someone brought what's called miracle berry.

Time: 6017.53

Okay, so this isn't some psychedelic plant medicine thing,

Time: 6020.03

miracle berry, you can purchase online,

Time: 6022.43

it's relatively inexpensive.

Time: 6024.5

It actually causes a change

Time: 6026.47

in the configuration of taste receptors

Time: 6030.11

such that when you eat something sour, it tastes sweet.

Time: 6033.64

And so what's really wild is you ingest miracle berry,

Time: 6037.29

and then you bite into a lemon,

Time: 6039.41

maybe even the lemon and peel

Time: 6040.8

and it tastes as sweet as a peach.

Time: 6043.21

And this effect lasts several hours.

Time: 6046.91

Definitely, you know, check any warnings,

Time: 6048.5

I don't know what sort of warnings these,

Time: 6050.08

a miracle berry carries,

Time: 6051.16

but I'm sure there's always something, you can imagine.

Time: 6054.66

There are a number of papers on miracle berry

Time: 6056.64

or miracle fruit it's called,

Time: 6059.36

but it changes your perception of sour

Time: 6062.35

at a perceptual level,

Time: 6064.5

but it does that by changing the activity

Time: 6067.07

of the receptors in the mouth and tongue.

Time: 6069.59

Now, this is important as a principle and it's underscored

Time: 6072.41

by experiments that have been done by for instance

Time: 6074.58

Charles Zuker's lab at Columbia University,

Time: 6076.91

where they've essentially genetically engineered animals

Time: 6080.21

such that the bitter receptor is swapped

Time: 6083.34

with the sweet receptor,

Time: 6084.45

or the sweet receptor is swapped with the bitter receptor.

Time: 6086.72

And what they show is that the actual food,

Time: 6090.06

the experience on the tongue

Time: 6092.4

drives different pathways in the brain.

Time: 6095.04

Here's what they did, they essentially took mice

Time: 6097.73

and swapped out the sweet receptor

Time: 6099.37

and put in a bitter receptor.

Time: 6100.67

And then what they found is that

Time: 6102.08

whereas normally mice would actively seek out

Time: 6105.61

and even work for sugar water, sucrose,

Time: 6108.27

they really like that.

Time: 6109.54

If they replace the sweet receptor with the bitter receptor,

Time: 6112.31

the mice would avoid sugar water.

Time: 6113.96

And the reverse was also true,

Time: 6115.17

that mice would drink a bitter solution avidly,

Time: 6118.25

they liked a bitter solution

Time: 6119.58

if they swapped out the bitter receptor for sweet receptor.

Time: 6123.06

What this means is that our entire experience

Time: 6125.01

of what we taste is dependent

Time: 6126.38

on how we experience that taste the level of the tongue.

Time: 6129.49

And so, you're hopefully not going to do genetic engineering

Time: 6132.62

of your taste receptors,

Time: 6133.84

but if you'd like to do this sort of experiment

Time: 6136.19

you actually can do it very easily using miracle fruit,

Time: 6138.8

the instructions of how much to ingest, et cetera,

Time: 6141.72

any safety concerns are usually on the package

Time: 6143.926

and should be easy to find.

Time: 6146.15

And there's a lot of science to support how this works,

Time: 6148.29

it's kind of a fun experiment that anyone can do

Time: 6151.29

and will completely change your perception

Time: 6153.28

of any food that you're accustomed to eating.

Time: 6155.49

In fact, you can figure out how much sweet

Time: 6158.8

or the sense of sweetness

Time: 6160.62

is contributing to your experience of a food,

Time: 6163.02

even if you don't think of it as a sweet food

Time: 6165

through this miracle fruit experiment.

Time: 6167.28

You could take miracle fruit,

Time: 6168.32

you could eat a slice of pepperoni pizza or cheese pizza,

Time: 6171.24

which perhaps normally to you would taste just like pizza,

Time: 6174.81

and you'll notice it tastes very different.

Time: 6176.99

What you are detecting is how much the sense of sweet

Time: 6181.27

was contributing to that particular flavor.

Time: 6184.59

Now, I'd like to return to pheromones.

Time: 6187.91

As I mentioned earlier,

Time: 6189.13

true pheromonal effects are well-established in animals.

Time: 6192.62

And one of the most remarkable pheromone effects

Time: 6195.12

that's ever been described

Time: 6196.1

is one that actually I've mentioned before on this podcast,

Time: 6198.33

but I'll mention again just briefly,

Time: 6200.07

which is the Coolidge effect.

Time: 6201.63

The Coolidge effect is the effect

Time: 6203.6

of a male of a given species,

Time: 6206.89

in most cases, it tended to be a rodent or a rooster mating.

Time: 6213.01

And at some point reaching exhaustion

Time: 6215.96

or the inability to mate again

Time: 6218.02

because they just simply couldn't for whatever reason.

Time: 6221.36

The Coolidge effect establishes that if you swap out the hen

Time: 6226.66

with a new hen, or the female rat or mouse with a new one

Time: 6230.21

then the rat or the rooster

Time: 6233.86

spontaneously regains their ability to mate,

Time: 6236.4

somehow their vigor is returned,

Time: 6238.52

the refractory period after mating that normally occurs

Time: 6242.14

is abolished and they can mate again.

Time: 6245.6

It turns out that the Coolidge effect

Time: 6246.95

runs in the opposite direction too.

Time: 6249.06

I did not know this, but I recently learned of a study,

Time: 6251.6

it was actually done in hamsters, not in in mice,

Time: 6254.33

but it turns out that females also will,

Time: 6257.58

female rodents will mate to exhaustion.

Time: 6259.99

And at some port...

Time: 6261.01

At some point, excuse me,

Time: 6262.22

they will refuse to mate any longer

Time: 6264.13

unless you swap in a new male.

Time: 6266.22

And then because mating in rodents

Time: 6268.61

involves the female being receptive,

Time: 6270.32

there are certain number of behaviors

Time: 6271.9

that mean that tell you that she's willing

Time: 6274.88

and wanting to mate, so-called lordosis reflex.

Time: 6279.97

Then if there's a new male,

Time: 6282.17

she will spontaneously regain the lordosis reflex

Time: 6286.34

and the desire to mate.

Time: 6287.37

And how do you know this?

Time: 6289.55

How do we know it's a pheromonal effect?

Time: 6291.38

Well, this recovery of the desire and ability to mate

Time: 6295.01

both in males and in females

Time: 6298.28

can be evoked completely by the odor

Time: 6301.61

of a new male or female,

Time: 6303.6

it doesn't even have to be the presentation

Time: 6305.04

of the actual animal.

Time: 6306.21

And that's how you know

Time: 6307.043

that it's not some visual interaction

Time: 6308.51

or some other interaction,

Time: 6309.8

it's a pheromonal interaction.

Time: 6312.04

Now, as I mentioned earlier, pheromonal effects

Time: 6314.16

in humans have been debated for a long period of time.

Time: 6317.64

We are thought to have a vestigial,

Time: 6319.76

meaning a kind of shrunken down

Time: 6322.97

miniature accessory olfactory bulb called Jacobson's organ,

Time: 6327.21

or the vomeronasal organ.

Time: 6329.6

Some people don't believe that Jacobson's organ exists,

Time: 6331.8

some people do, there is anatomical evidence for it

Time: 6335.22

in some cadavers.

Time: 6337.04

It sits not very high up in the brain

Time: 6341.09

or where your olfactory bulb is,

Time: 6342.84

but it's actually in the nasal passages,

Time: 6345.43

so there's like little dents

Time: 6346.72

as you go up through your nasal passages,

Time: 6348.48

and there is evidence of something that's vomeronasal-like.

Time: 6352.79

Vomeronasal is the pheromonal organ,

Time: 6354.59

they call it Jacobson's organ if it's present in humans,

Time: 6357.26

kind of tucked into some of the divots in the nasal passage.

Time: 6361.77

Even if that organ, Jacobson's organ isn't there

Time: 6366.71

or is not responsible

Time: 6367.95

for the chemical signaling between individuals,

Time: 6370.86

there is chemical signaling between human beings.

Time: 6373.42

As I mentioned earlier, the effect of tears

Time: 6376.76

in suppressing the areas of the brain

Time: 6378.803

that are involved in sexual desire

Time: 6381.83

and testosterone of males, that's a concrete result,

Time: 6385.65

that's a very good result published by an excellent group

Time: 6388.56

with no pre-existing bias going in,

Time: 6390.3

that's just what they found.

Time: 6392.2

There is also evidence

Time: 6395.48

both for and against

Time: 6397.97

chemical signaling between females

Time: 6400.46

in terms of synchronization of menstrual cycles.

Time: 6402.99

Now, the original paper on this was published in the 1970s

Time: 6406.85

by McClintock, and it essentially said

Time: 6410.08

that when women live together in group housing, dormitories,

Time: 6414.58

and similar that their menstrual cycles were synchronized

Time: 6417.04

and that was due to what was hypothesized

Time: 6418.93

to be pheromonal effects.

Time: 6420.63

Over the years,

Time: 6421.463

that study has been challenged many, many times.

Time: 6424.87

The more recent data point to the idea

Time: 6427.81

that there is chemical-chemical signaling between women

Time: 6431.03

in ways that impact the timing of the menstrual cycle,

Time: 6434.45

but that depending on whether or not

Time: 6437.04

some of the women are in the ovulation phase,

Time: 6440.01

the ovulatory phase of that cycle

Time: 6441.59

or whether or not they are in the follicular phase,

Time: 6443.47

the phase when the follicle is maturing

Time: 6446.12

before the egg actually obviates.

Time: 6451.29

So two separate phases of the 28 day menstrual cycle

Time: 6455.59

will either lengthen or shorten the menstrual cycle

Time: 6459.93

of the person that smells those women.

Time: 6462.03

Translated into English what that means

Time: 6463.65

is that it is very likely it seems

Time: 6466.27

that something, maybe pheromones,

Time: 6467.99

but maybe some other chemical

Time: 6469.34

that is independent of pheromones is being conveyed

Time: 6472.19

between women that are housed together

Time: 6475.87

or spend a lot of time together

Time: 6477.52

to shift their menstrual cycle,

Time: 6479.01

but it doesn't necessarily mean that they synchronize.

Time: 6482.16

So for instance, if one woman is in the follicular phase

Time: 6485.96

of the menstrual cycle,

Time: 6487.9

it might shorten or delay ovulation.

Time: 6491.66

Excuse me, it might accelerate ovulation in another woman,

Time: 6494.86

whereas if somebody is in the ovulatory phase

Time: 6497.05

of their cycle, it might lengthen the menstrual cycle

Time: 6501.12

out so that they, the woman who smells that person's scent

Time: 6505.71

or who smells her sweat,

Time: 6507.41

we still don't know the origin of the chemical

Time: 6509.08

would ovulate later.

Time: 6510.6

So, all of this is to say

Time: 6511.95

is that chemical-chemical signaling is happening

Time: 6514.02

from females to males through tears, we know that.

Time: 6516.6

Is that a pheromonal effect?

Time: 6518.04

Well, by the strict definition of a pheromone,

Time: 6520.12

a molecule that's released from one individual

Time: 6522.19

that impacts the biology of another individual, yes.

Time: 6524.96

But in terms of identifying what the pheromone is in tears,

Time: 6528.41

that's still unknown,

Time: 6529.72

it's not clear what the chemical compound is.

Time: 6532.17

So, we're reluctant as scientists

Time: 6533.96

to call it a true pheromonal effect.

Time: 6535.58

The menstrual cycle and the synchronization

Time: 6538

of the menstrual cycle effect seems to hold up

Time: 6540.15

under some conditions.

Time: 6541.06

But in some cases,

Time: 6542.15

there's a kind of clash of menstrual cycles that's created

Time: 6545.93

by chemicals that are emitted

Time: 6549.14

from one female to another.

Time: 6551.69

So, there are many examples of this in humans,

Time: 6554.46

for instance, people can recognize

Time: 6558.15

the t-shirt of their mate.

Time: 6562.09

If you give...

Time: 6562.99

This experiment has been done many times,

Time: 6564.43

I know it's been challenged a number of times,

Time: 6565.79

but the data are pretty good by now that if you offer,

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you take a collection of women

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who are in stable relationships with somebody,

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you offer them the smell of a hundred different shirts

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and they can very readily pick out

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their significant others scent.

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Okay, that's pure olfaction, that's not pheromonal,

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but nonetheless is a remarkable degree of discrimination,

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olfactory discrimination.

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You can dilute their partner's scent

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down to the point where they themselves

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can't consciously detect the difference

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between the sweat or the t-shirt

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of a hundred different t-shirts or so,

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they might say, "I don't really smell the difference,

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but I think it's this one.

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Yeah, this one belongs to the person that I've been with."

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And they are much greater than chance

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at detecting the t-shirt

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or identifying the t-shirt correctly.

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So, there's no question really

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that there is chemical-chemical signaling between humans,

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the question is whether or not

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it's truly pheromonal in basis.

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Now, you'll notice that a lot of the examples I gave

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aside from the one of tears is women detecting the scents

Time: 6628.58

of men or of other women.

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And it turns out that there are a number of papers,

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the best one I think

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that I could find is published in Physiology and Behavior

Time: 6639.12

in 2009, it's a review

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entitled Sex Differences and Reproductive Hormone Influences

Time: 6643.82

on Human Odor Perception

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by Doty, D-O-T-Y, and Cameron.

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I encourage you to check out this review

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it's available free as a download,

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we'll provide a link to it,

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you can get the full PDF if you want.

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But it does seem that women are better at detecting

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odors in these odor discrimination tasks than are men.

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And yes, that it does vary

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according to where they are in their menstrual cycle.

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And yes, they also looked at people

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who had received gonadectomy,

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they had their ovaries removed,

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a number of different important controls.

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None of this surprises me,

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none of this should surprise you,

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it's very clear that hormones have a profound effect

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on enlarge number of systems

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in our biology and that smell, and taste,

Time: 6686.7

and the ability to sense the chemical states of others,

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either consciously or subconsciously

Time: 6691.25

have a profound influence

Time: 6692.57

on whether or not we might want to spend time with them,

Time: 6694.53

whether or not this is somebody

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that we're pair bonded with,

Time: 6696.9

whether or not this is somebody

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that we just met and don't trust yet, things of this sort.

Time: 6702.46

And given what's at stake in terms of reproductive biology,

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not just offspring, but given the possibility

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of transmission of diseases, et cetera,

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you know, the risks of childbirth, et cetera.

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It makes so much sense that much of our biology

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is wired toward detecting and sensing whether or not

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things and people are things that we should approach

Time: 6726.41

or avoid, whether or not reproduction

Time: 6729.56

with that person is the appropriate response

Time: 6731.51

or suppression of the reproductive response

Time: 6733.75

is the appropriate response, right?

Time: 6735.45

As in that's the case with the tears.

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So, I think these are fascinating studies,

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it's an area that still needs a lot of work,

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but there are some really wonderful papers on this.

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And the one that I mentioned a few minutes ago,

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Sex Differences and Reproductive Hormone Influences

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on Human Odor Perception

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is one of the better reviews that are out there.

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There are also a number of other reviews

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for instance that talk about pheromone effects

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and their impact on mood, and sexual responses,

Time: 6763.1

and things of that sort,

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and we will also provide some links to those.

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A lot of this is still speculative,

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but I want to say I know I said it three times,

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what I really want to underscore

Time: 6770.21

because it is vitally important,

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and people seem to get a little triggered

Time: 6772.99

by the notion of pheromones.

Time: 6776.17

Just because we haven't identified

Time: 6778.83

the actual chemical compound

Time: 6780.93

that's acting as a pheromone or putative pheromone

Time: 6785.24

does not mean that chemical-chemical signaling

Time: 6787.54

between individuals doesn't exist, clearly it does.

Time: 6790.89

Actually, you and every other human

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from the time you're born until the time you die

Time: 6795.87

are actively seeking out

Time: 6798.84

and sensing and evaluating

Time: 6802.15

the chemicals that come from other individuals.

Time: 6804.463

There's a really nice study that was done

Time: 6807.61

by the Weizmann Institute, a group there,

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I think it was also Noam Sobel's group,

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but another group as well as I recall

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looking at human-human interactions

Time: 6815.51

when they meet for the first time.

Time: 6817.51

It's a remarkable study because what they found

Time: 6820.98

was people would reach out and shake hands.

Time: 6824.42

It's is a typical response,

Time: 6825.7

you know pre-pandemic, people would meet,

Time: 6828.12

they'd reach out and they would shake hands.

Time: 6830.22

And what they observed was almost every time

Time: 6834.32

within just a few seconds of having shaken hands

Time: 6838.05

with this new individual,

Time: 6839.46

people will touch their eyes almost without fail.

Time: 6843.08

Occasionally, they would touch their eyebrow,

Time: 6844.64

occasionally someone would touch their hair.

Time: 6846.41

We always associate that with people having some sort of...

Time: 6849.8

Or us having some sort of self-conscious response

Time: 6852.3

like oh, we want to make sure shirt tucked in

Time: 6854.517

and all prim and proper, whatever it is,

Time: 6856.57

or looking right, is there something you're like teeth?

Time: 6858.44

This kind of thing,

Time: 6859.44

but actually people are doing that

Time: 6861.26

even if the person they just met left the room.

Time: 6864.64

So, someone's sitting there,

Time: 6865.64

someone comes in, they shake hands,

Time: 6867.62

and the person inevitably subconsciously touches their eyes.

Time: 6871.09

They are taking chemicals from the skin contact

Time: 6874.21

and they are placing it on a mucosal membrane of some sort,

Time: 6877.3

typically not up to their nose or in their mouth,

Time: 6879.4

typically on their eyes.

Time: 6880.87

Now, animals do this all the time,

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there's a phenomenon in animals called bunting.

Time: 6884.63

If you have a overeager dog

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that when you meet them or you see them again

Time: 6889.33

after you've been away for the day

Time: 6890.44

they'll rub their head against you, right?

Time: 6892.61

Cats will do this too, it's called bunting,

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they're rubbing their scent glands on you,

Time: 6896.32

they're marking you.

Time: 6897.78

And believe it or not,

Time: 6898.79

you're marking other people when you shake their hand,

Time: 6901.39

and they are then taking your mark

Time: 6903.88

and rubbing it on themselves subconsciously.

Time: 6907.18

So, we all do these kinds of behaviors,

Time: 6908.97

and now that you're aware of it

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you can watch for it in your environment,

Time: 6911.85

you can pay attention to people.

Time: 6913.92

Some of this has probably changed

Time: 6915.18

in light of the events of 2020, et cetera,

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but nonetheless, we are evaluating

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the molecules on people's breath,

Time: 6922.65

we are evaluating the molecules on people's skin

Time: 6925.15

by actively rubbing it on ourselves.

Time: 6928.56

And we are actively involved

Time: 6930.49

in sensing not just their facial expressions,

Time: 6932.79

the size of their pupils, and things like that,

Time: 6934.83

but the chemicals that they are emitting,

Time: 6936.78

their hormone status, how they smell.

Time: 6939.06

We're detecting the pheromones possibly,

Time: 6943.52

but certainly the odors in their breath.

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You might say, "Well, I don't actually go around

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sniffing people's breath.

Time: 6948.53

I don't, you know, unless if it's bad,"

Time: 6950.24

in which case it's aversive,

Time: 6951.27

but breath is communicating a lot of signals.

Time: 6953.61

And this handshake eye rub experiment

Time: 6956.35

shows that we are actively going through behaviors

Time: 6959.62

reflexively to wipe ourselves

Time: 6962.14

or smear ourselves with other people's chemicals.

Time: 6964.74

Now, that might seem odd or even gross to you,

Time: 6967.58

but I think it's beautiful,

Time: 6969.47

I think that it illustrates

Time: 6971.09

the extent to which we as human beings

Time: 6973.09

are in some ways among the other animals

Time: 6975.84

in our subconscious, sometimes conscious,

Time: 6978.18

but certainly subconscious

Time: 6980.12

tendency to try and evaluate our chemical environment

Time: 6983.02

through what we inhale through our nose,

Time: 6985.2

what we ingest through our mouth,

Time: 6987.45

and what we actively take off other people's skin

Time: 6991.49

and rub on ourselves to evaluate it

Time: 6994.52

and what we should do about it,

Time: 6995.96

and perhaps that person as well.

Time: 6998.17

So today, we talked a lot about olfaction taste

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and chemical sensing between individuals.

Time: 7003.36

I'd like to think that you now know a lot

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about how your smell system works

Time: 7007.37

and why inhaling is a really good thing to do in general

Time: 7011.49

for waking up your brain, and for cognitive function,

Time: 7014.06

and for enhancing your sense of smell.

Time: 7015.91

We talked about how to enhance your sense of taste,

Time: 7018.31

and we talked about chemical signaling

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between individuals as a way of communicating

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some important aspects about biology.

Time: 7024.82

People are shaping each other's biology all the time

Time: 7027.41

by way of these chemicals that are being traded

Time: 7029.47

from one body to the next

Time: 7031.06

through air, and skin to skin contact, and tears.

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