ADHD & How Anyone Can Improve Their Focus

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- Welcome to the Huberman lab podcast,

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where we discuss science and science-based tools

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for everyday life.

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[upbeat music]

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I'm Andrew Huberman,

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and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology

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at Stanford school of medicine.

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Today, we are going to talk all about attention deficit,

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hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD.

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We are also going to talk about normal levels of focus.

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What are normal levels of focus and how all of us,

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whether or not we have ADHD or not can improve our ability

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to focus our ability to rule out distraction.

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It turns out those are two separate things,

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as well as remember information better.

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We are also going to talk about

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how we can learn to relax while focusing,

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which turns out to be a critical component of learning new

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information and for coming up with new creative ideas.

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So whether or not you have ADHD or know someone who does,

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or if you're somebody who feels that they do not have ADHD,

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but would simply like to improve their ability to focus

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or to be more creative.

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This episode is definitely for you as well.

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We are going to talk about drug based tools

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that are out there.

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We are going to talk about behavioral tools.

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We will talk about the role of diet and supplementation,

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and we will talk about new emerging

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brain machine interface devices,

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things like transcranial magnetic stimulation.

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If you don't know what that is, don't worry,

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I will explain it to you.

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These are non-invasive methods for rewiring your brain

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in order to make focusing more natural for you

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and to teach you how to increase your depth of focus.

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Now, just a quick reminder

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that any time we discuss a psychiatric disorder,

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it's important that we remember

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that all of us have the temptation to self-diagnose

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or to diagnose others.

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So, as I list off some of the symptomology of ADHD,

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some of that symptomology might resonate with you.

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You might think, oh, maybe I have ADHD

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or you might decide that someone you know,

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definitely has ADHD.

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However, it is very important that you don't self-diagnose

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or diagnose somebody else

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the clear and real diagnosis of ADHD

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really should be carried out by a psychiatrist, a physician,

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or a very well-trained clinical psychologist.

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There are clear criteria for what constitutes

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full-blown ADHD.

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However, many of us have constellations of symptoms

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that make us somewhat like somebody with ADHD

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and if you're struggling with focus nowadays,

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as a lot of people are because of stress,

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because of smartphone use,

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which turns out can induce adult ADHD.

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We'll talk about that.

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We'll then pay attention to the symptomology.

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You may actually require professional treatment

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you might not,

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equally important is to remember

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that some of the terms that we cover,

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like impulse control and attention and concentration

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are somewhat subjective and they can change over time.

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Sometimes we have a better level of attention than others.

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Maybe it depends on how we slept

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or other events going on in our life

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where something that we're entirely unaware of.

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The important thing to remember

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is that we can all improve our attentional capacity.

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We can all rewire the circuits that make heightened levels

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of focus, more accessible to us.

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We can do that through multiple types of interventions,

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and we are going to cover all those interventions today.

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Before we march into the material,

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I'd like to remind that this podcast is separate

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from my teaching and research roles at Stanford.

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So let's talk about ADHD,

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Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder.

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Let's also talk about focus and attention

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and everybody's ability to focus and attend

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not just people with ADHD.

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We are also going to talk about tools

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that would allow anyone,

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whether or not they have ADHD or not

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to enhance their level of concentration and focus.

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Now, ADHD used to be called ADD Attention Deficit Disorder.

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We have record of ADD in the medical literature

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dating back to as early as 1904.

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Now there's nothing special about 1904.

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That's just the first time that it showed up

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in the standard medical literature.

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We have to believe that ADD,

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which we now call ADHD existed before 1904

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and probably long before 1904, why?

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Well, because it has a strong genetic component.

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If you have a close relative that has ADHD,

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there's a much higher probability that you will have ADHD

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and that probability goes up depending on how closely

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related to that person you happen to be.

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So for instance,

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if you're an identical twin and your twin has ADHD,

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there's a very high concordance as we say,

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a very high probability that you will have ADHD

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up to 75% chance.

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If you have a fraternal twin with ADHD,

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that number goes down a bit in the 50 to 60% range

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and so on.

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If you have a parent with ADHD,

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that number ranges anywhere from 10 to 25% likelihood,

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that you will have ADHD if you have two parents

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and so on and so on, okay?

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So there's a genetic component

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that genetic component it turns out,

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relates directly to how specific neural circuits

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in the brain wire up,

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the chemicals they use and the way they use those chemicals,

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a topic that we are going to discuss in depth today.

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Now, if you have a close relative with ADHD,

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that does not mean that you are faded to have ADHD

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and if you happen to have ADHD,

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there are ways to overcome those symptoms

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of lack of attention, impulsivity and so on.

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Another important point about ADHD

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is that it has nothing to do with intelligence,

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whether or not we're talking about intelligence

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measured by a standard IQ test

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a rather controversial issue as many of you probably know,

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there are lots of forms of intelligence

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that a standard IQ test just wouldn't pick up

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emotional intelligence, musical intelligence,

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spatial intelligence, all sorts of intelligences.

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None of them are related to ADHD.

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Being very high functioning doesn't make you

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more likely to have ADHD and being ADHD

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doesn't necessarily mean that you have a low IQ.

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So there are people with ADHD who have low IQs

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people with ADHD with high IQ,

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people with ADHD with high emotional IQ or with low IQ

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in the emotional scale, it's all over the place.

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The important point is that your ability to attend and focus

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does not relate to how smart you are or your IQ of any type,

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not just a standard IQ.

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The renaming of the ADD to ADHD took place

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in the mid to late 1980s

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when the psychiatric community

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and the psychological community

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started taking better notice of the fact that

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so-called hyperactive kids also had attentional issues.

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This might seem obvious,

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but there's been extensive and ongoing revision

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of the criteria for designating a psychiatric disorder

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and this is still an ongoing process even today.

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So in the mid eighties,

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we started hearing about ADHD

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and then gradually that term ADD has been dropped away.

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However, just the renaming of ADD to ADHD

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has led to much better diagnosis and detection of ADHD.

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So right now the current estimates are that

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about one in 10 children and probably more have ADHD.

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The current estimates are anywhere from 10%, one in 10

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to as high as 12%.

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Now, fortunately about half of those

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will resolve with proper treatment,

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but the other half typically don't.

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The other thing that we are seeing a lot nowadays

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is increased levels of ADHD in adults

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and there's some question as to whether or not

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those adults had ADHD that went undetected

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during their childhood or whether or not

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ADHD is now cropping up in adulthood

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due to the way that we are interacting with the world

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in particular smart phone use,

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the combination of email, text, real-world interactions,

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multiple apps and streams of media and social media

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all coming in at once trying to manage life.

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All of the things that are going on

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are creating a kind of cloud of poles on our attention

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and so there is this question to whether or not

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we are creating ADHD in adults that never had ADHD

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prior to being an adult.

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So let's talk about attention

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and first let's just define what we mean by attention

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out there in the scientific literature

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and in discussions about ADHD,

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we will hear things like attention and focus

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and concentration and impulse control

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for sake of today's discussion,

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attention, focus, and concentration

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are essentially the same thing, okay?

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We could split hairs and the scientific literature

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does split hairs about these.

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But if we want to understand the biology

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and we want to have

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a straightforward conversation about ADHD,

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if I say attention or focus,

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I'm basically referring to the same thing,

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unless I specify otherwise, okay?

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So people with ADHD have trouble holding their attention.

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What is attention?

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Well, attention is perception.

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It's how we are perceiving the sensory world.

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So just a little bit of neurobiology 101,

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we are sensing things all the time.

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There's information coming into our nervous system

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all the time.

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For instance, right now you're hearing sound waves.

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You are seeing things,

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you are sensing things against your skin,

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but you're only paying attention to some of those

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and the ones that you're paying attention to

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are your perceptions.

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So if you hear my voice, you are perceiving my voice.

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You are not paying attention to your other senses

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at the moment, okay?

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You might even be outside in a breeze

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and until I said that,

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you might not be perceiving that breeze,

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but your body was sensing it all along.

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So attention and focus are more or less the same thing,

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but impulse control is something separate because impulse

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control requires pushing out or putting the blinders on

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to sensory events in our environment.

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It means lack of perception,

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impulse control is about limiting our perception.

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People with ADHD have poor attention

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and they have high levels of impulsivity

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they're easily distractable.

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But the way that shows up is very surprising.

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You might think that people with ADHD

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just simply can't attend anything.

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They really can't focus,

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even if they really want to, but that's simply not the case.

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People with ADHD yes, they are distractable.

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Yes, they are impulsive.

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Yes, they are easily annoyed

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by things happening in the room.

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They sometimes have a high level of emotionality as well.

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Not always, but often

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however people with ADHD can have a hyper focus

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and incredible ability to focus

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on things that they really enjoy

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or and are intrigued by.

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Now, this is a very important point

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because typically we think of somebody with ADHD

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as being really wild and hyperactive,

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or having no ability whatsoever to sit still and attend

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and while that phenotype as we call it

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that contour of behavior and cognition can exist,

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many people, if not all people with ADHD,

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if you give them something they really love,

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like if the child loves video games

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or if a child loves to draw,

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or if an adult loves a particular type of movie

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or a person very much, they will obtain laser-focus

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without any effort.

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So that tells us that people with ADHD

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have the capacity to attend,

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but they can't engage that attention

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for things that they don't really, really want to do

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and as we all know much of life,

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whether or not you're a child or an adult

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involves doing a lot of things that we don't want to do,

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much of our schooling involves doing things

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that we would prefer not to do

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and sort of forcing ourselves to do it, to attend,

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even though we are not super interested

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in what we are attending to.

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There are a couple other things

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that people with ADHD display quite often.

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One is challenges with time perception.

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Now time perception is a fascinating aspect

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of how our brain works

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and later we're going to talk about time perception

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and how you can actually get better at time perception.

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It's very likely that right now you are doing things

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that get in the way of optimal time perception

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and I will tell you how to adjust your ability

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to measure time with your brain.

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People with ADHD often run late.

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They often procrastinate,

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but what's interesting and surprising

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is that if they are given a deadline,

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they actually can perceive time very well

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and they often can focus very well

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if the consequences of not completing a task

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or not attending are severe enough.

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It's a little bit like the way that people with ADHD

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can really focus if they like something.

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Well, if they're scared enough about the consequences

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of not attending, oftentimes not always,

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but oftentimes they can attend.

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If they're not really concerned about a deadline

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or a consequence,

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well, then they tend to lose track of time

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and they tend to underestimate how long things will take.

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Now many people do that, not just people with ADHD,

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but people with ADHD have challenges,

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understanding how to line up the activities of their day

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in order to meet particular deadlines

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even if it's just a simple thing,

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like finishing one set of tasks before lunch,

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oftentimes they will remember that lunch starts at noon,

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but somehow they aren't able to fill the intervening time

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in a way that's productive

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and they can obsess about

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the upcoming deadline for instance,

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we will talk about how to remedy this.

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In addition,

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their spatial organization skills are often subpar,

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not always, but often you will find that somebody with ADHD

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uses what's called the pile system

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in order to organize things,

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they will take many belongings

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and this could be in the kitchen or in their bedroom

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or in their office or in any space

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and they will start piling things up

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according to a categorization system

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that makes sense to them and only them.

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It doesn't really have any logical framework.

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Now, many people use the pile system

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and if you use the pile system,

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that doesn't mean that you have ADHD

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in fact, if you're unpacking a house

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or you've moved recently,

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or you've received a lot of presence recently,

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the pile system makes perfect sense to organize your space.

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But people with ADHD tend to organize things

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according to the pile system all the time

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and that pile system doesn't work for them.

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Okay, so that's the key distinction

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that they use a filing system, and it's not really files,

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they're piling things up in a way that makes sense to them,

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but then it doesn't work for them in terms of what tasks

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they actually need to perform.

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They can't find things

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or if anyone moves one thing then it's very disruptive

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to their overall plan because their overall plan

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doesn't really work in the first place.

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So that's a common phenotype as we call it.

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A phenotype by the way,

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is just an expression of a particular set of underlying

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genetic or psychological components, okay?

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So we say the phenotype.

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So a phenotype can brown hair and green eyes,

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like for me,

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a phenotype could also be

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that somebody uses the piling system, okay?

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The other thing that people with ADHD have real trouble with

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is so-called working memory.

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Now you might think that people with ADHD

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would have really poor memories,

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but in fact, that's not the case.

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People with ADHD often can have a terrific memory

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for past events,

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they can remember upcoming events quite well.

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Their memory is clearly working.

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However, one aspect of memory in particular

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that we call working memory is often disrupted.

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Working memory is the ability to keep

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specific information online,

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to recycle it in your brain over and over again,

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so that you can use it in the immediate or short term.

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A good example of this would be you meet somebody,

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they tell you their name,

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they give you their phone number verbally,

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and you have to walk back to your phone

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and enter it into your phone.

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People without ADHD might have to put some effort into it,

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it might feel like a bit of a struggle,

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but typically they will be able to recite that phone number

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in their mind over and over, and then put into their phone.

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People with ADHD,

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tend to lose the ability or lack the ability

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to remember things that they just need to keep online for

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anywhere from 10 seconds to a minute or two, okay?

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So a string of numbers like 6, 4, 3, 7, 8, 1 for most people

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would be pretty easy.

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6, 4, 3, 7, 8, 1, 6, 4, 3, 7, 8, 1,

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you could probably remember that a minute from now

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without writing it down.

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But if you add one more number to that 6, 4, 3, 7, 8, 1, 3,

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it gets tougher, okay?

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So there's a reason why phone numbers typically have

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seven digits in them, of course, there's an area code,

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but remembering information that strings out longer

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than seven numbers or a sentence or two

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that's challenging for most people,

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people with ADHD have severe challenges,

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even with much smaller batches of information

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over even much smaller batches of time.

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Deficits in working memory are also

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something that we see in people who have

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frontotemporal dementia,

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so damage to the frontal lobes

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or age-related cognitive decline

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and so it will come as no surprise that later

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when we discuss treatments, supplements,

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and other tools for ADHD,

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that many of those treatments,

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supplements and tools for ADHD are similar to the ones

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that work for age-related cognitive decline.

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Okay, so we've more or less established

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the kind of menu of items that people with ADHD tend to have

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some have all of them.

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Some have just a subset of them.

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Their severity can range from very intense to mild,

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but in general,

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it's challenges with attention and focus,

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challenges with impulse control, they get annoyed easily.

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They have kind of an impulsivity,

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they can't stay on task.

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Time perception can be off,

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they use the piling system

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or a system that doesn't work well for them

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in order to organize their things in physical space

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and they have a hard time with anything that's mundane

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that they're not really interested in.

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But again, I just want to highlight that people with ADHD

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are able to obtain heightened levels of focus,

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even hyper-focus for things that are exciting to them

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and that they really want to engage in.

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So now you have the contour of what ADHD is,

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and if you're somebody who doesn't have ADHD,

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you should also be asking yourself which aspects of ADHD

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are similar to things I've experienced before.

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Because what we know about the healthy brain

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is that there's also a range of abilities to focus.

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Some people focus very well on any task.

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You give them a task, they can just laser in on that task.

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Other people that have to kind of fight an internal battle,

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they have to convince themselves

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that it's important or interesting.

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They have to kind of incentivize themselves internally.

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Other people doesn't matter,

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they could be bored to tears with the information,

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but they can do it just because they are,

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"Very disciplined people."

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We tend to admire those people

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but as you'll see a little bit later,

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it's not clear that that's the best way

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to run your attentional system.

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There might be something to this business

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of having heightened levels of attention

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for the things that you are

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most interested or excited by.

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So let's drill into this issue of why people with ADHD

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actually can focus very intensely on things that they enjoy

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and are curious about.

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Now, enjoyment and curiosity are psychological terms,

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they're not even really psychological terms.

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They're just the way that we describe our human experience

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of liking things, wanting to know more about them.

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But from a neuro-biological perspective,

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they have a very clear identity and signature

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and that's dopamine.

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Dopamine is released from neurons,

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it's what we call a neuromodulator

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and as a neuromodulator it changes the activity

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of the circuits in the brain,

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such that certain circuits are more active than others

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and in particular,

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dopamine creates a heightened state of focus.

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It tends to contract our visual world

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and it tends to make us pay attention to things

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that are outside and beyond the confines of our skin.

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That's what we call exteroception.

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Dopamine also tends to put us in a state of motivation

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and wanting things outside the confines of our skin.

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So whether or not we're pursuing something

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physical in our world,

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or whether or not we're pursuing information

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in our outside world,

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dopamine is largely responsible for our ability

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and our drive to do that.

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But dopamine as a neuromodulator is also involved

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in changing the way that we perceive the world.

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So, as I mentioned earlier

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you have all these senses coming in

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and you can only perceive some of them

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because you're only paying attention to some of them.

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Dopamine when it's released in our brain

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tends to turn on areas of our brain

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that narrow our visual focus

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and our auditory focus,

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so it creates a cone of auditory attention,

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that's very narrow,

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creates a tunnel of visual attention that's very narrow.

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Whereas when we have less dopamine,

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we tend to view the entire world,

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we tend to see the whole scene that we are in,

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we tend to hear everything all at once.

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So as I describe this,

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hopefully you're already starting to see and understand

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how having dopamine release can allow a person,

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whether or not they have ADHD or not

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to direct their attention to particular things

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in their environment, all right?

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So now what we're doing is we're moving away from attention

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as this kind of vague ambiguous term,

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and we're giving it a neurochemical identity dopamine,

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and we are giving it a neural circuit identity

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and just to put a little bit of flavor and detail

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on which neurocircuits those are,

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I want to discuss two general types of neurocircuits

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that dopamine tends to enhance.

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So let's talk neurocircuits

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and for those of you that love hearing neuroscience,

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nomenclature, you're going to eat this part up

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and for those of you that don't like a lot of names

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of brain areas I invite you to tune out

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or just try and grab the top contour of this.

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I will describe it in pretty general terms,

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but I will give some detail because I know there are

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some of you out there who really want to dig deeper into

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what the exact structures and connectivities are, okay?

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So there are two main types of circuits that

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we need to think about with respect to ADHD,

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attention and dopamine.

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The first one is called the default mode network.

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The default mode network is the network of brain areas

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in your brain and my brain and in everybody's brain

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that is active when we're not doing anything

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when we're just sitting there idle at rest.

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Now it's very hard to not think about anything,

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but when you're not engaged in any type of specific task,

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so you're not driving, you're not playing a video game,

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you're not trying to study, you're not trying to listen,

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you're just sitting there letting your brain

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kind of go wherever it wants to go.

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Your default mode network underlies that state of mind.

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The other set of circuits that we're going to think about

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and talk about with respect to ADHD are the task networks,

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the networks of the brain that make you goal oriented,

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or that are at least trying to make you goal oriented

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and those are a completely different set of brain areas.

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However, the default mode network

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and these tasks networks are communicating with one another

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and they're doing that in very interesting ways.

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So first I want to describe how these two

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sets of brain areas,

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the default mode network

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and the task networks normally interact, okay?

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So little bit of naming here

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again feel free to ignore it

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if you don't want this level of detail,

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but the default mode network includes

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an area called the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex,

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frontal cortex, no surprises in the front

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and you have a dorsal, the top

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and side lateral part dorsolateral, prefrontal cortex.

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You got one on each side of your brain, right?

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And then you have a brain area called

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the posterior cingulate cortex

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and then you have an area called the lateral parietal lobe.

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Again, you don't need to remember these names for,

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these are three brain areas that normally

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are synchronized in their activity.

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So when one of these areas is active in a typical person,

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the other areas would be active as well.

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So it's a little bit like a symphony or a band

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like a three-piece band is like drums, guitar,

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and bass they're playing together, okay?

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That's how it is in a typical person

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and in a person with ADHD,

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or even a person who has subclinical ADHD

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or in any human being who hasn't slept well,

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what you find is the default mode network

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is not synchronized.

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These brain areas are just not playing well together.

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Now the task networks include a different set of structures.

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It still involves the prefrontal cortex,

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but it's a different part of the prefrontal cortex, okay?

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Tends to be the medial prefrontal cortex

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and there are some other brain areas

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that the medial prefrontal cortex is communicating to

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all the time, mainly to suppress impulses.

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It's shutting down the desire to stand up

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or to scratch the side of your cheek or your nose,

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if you're trying not to do that,

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anytime you're restricting your behavior,

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These task directed networks are very active, okay?

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Now normally in a person without ADHD,

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the task networks and the default mode networks

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are going in kind of Seesaw fashion,

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they are actually what we call anti-correlated.

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So it's not just that they are not correlated,

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they're actually opposing one another

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they are anti-correlated.

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In a person with ADHD,

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the default mode networks and the tasks networks

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are actually more coordinated.

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That might come a surprising,

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I think that we all have this tendency

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to kind of jump to conclusion and assume that somebody

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who doesn't have an easy time paying attention or has ADHD,

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that their brain must be completely incoherent

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that it's not working well

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and because everything's out of whack,

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but there's something interesting about people with ADHD

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whereby the task networks and the default mode networks

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are actually working together in a way that's correlated

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and that is what's abnormal.

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So this would be like the guitar bass and the drums

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playing together in a way where

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the bass isn't keeping the backbeat and the drums,

Time: 1870.01

aren't keeping the backbeat that they're playing together,

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they're all playing the melodies and harmonies

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in a way that just doesn't sound right.

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That's what's going on in the brain of somebody with ADHD

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and we can now confidently say

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based on brain imaging studies,

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that when somebody gets better,

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when they're treated for ADHD or when they age out of ADHD,

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as sometimes it's the case that the default mode networks

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and the task networks tend to become

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anti-correlated again, okay?

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So that's the underlying neurobiology,

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but you'll notice that I didn't mention dopamine at all.

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What dopamine is doing in this context

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is dopamine is acting like a conductor.

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Dopamine is saying this circuit should be active

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then that circuit should be active.

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It should be default mode network

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and then when the default mode network is not active,

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then it should be the task network.

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So it's really acting as a conductor saying, you go,

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now you go, now you go, now you go.

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And in ADHD,

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there's something about the dopamine system

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that is not allowing it to conduct these networks

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and make sure that they stay what,

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the engineers or physicists or mathematicians would say

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out of phase to be anti-correlated, okay?

Time: 1938.74

Out of phase and anti correlate, essentially the same thing,

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at least for purposes of this discussion.

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So that raises two questions,

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could it be that dopamine is not at sufficiently high levels

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or could it be that dopamine is just doing it all wrong?

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In other words,

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is there no conductor or is the conductor playing with like

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little tiny toothpicks

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and so the instruments can't see

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what they're supposed to do.

Time: 1961.02

They can't get the instruction

Time: 1962.65

'cause it's just not loud enough, so to speak,

Time: 1965.09

or could it be that the information is getting out,

Time: 1967.1

but the information that's getting out is wrong,

Time: 1969.13

the conductor's there,

Time: 1970.01

but the conductor is in very good at conducting.

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Now we can gain insight into how the system works

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and fails and how to treat it

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by looking at some of the current

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and previous treatments for ADHD,

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as well as some of the recreational drugs

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that people with ADHD tend to pursue and like

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now I'm certainly not a proponent of people with ADHD

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taking drugs recreationally,

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that's not what this is about,

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but if you look at their drug seeking behavior

Time: 1998.3

and you couple that drug seeking behavior

Time: 2001.53

to their desire to remedy their attention deficit,

Time: 2005.55

you start gaining some really interesting insight

Time: 2008.28

into how dopamine is regulating these circuits

Time: 2011.66

in normal circumstances and in people with ADHD.

Time: 2015.94

So what exactly is going on with the dopamine system,

Time: 2018.45

in people with ADHD

Time: 2020.26

and what's going on with the dopamine system

Time: 2022.03

in people that have terrific levels of attention

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for any task?

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Well, in the year 2015, an important paper came out.

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The first author is Spencer,

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and it came out in a journal called Biological Psychiatry,

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and it formalized the so-called

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low dopamine hypothesis of ADHD.

Time: 2041.91

The idea that dopamine was somehow involved

Time: 2044.11

or not at the appropriate levels in people with ADHD

Time: 2047.39

had been around for a pretty long time,

Time: 2049.85

but a formal proposition of the low dopamine hypothesis

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led to some really important experiments and understanding

Time: 2057.71

of what goes wrong in ADHD.

Time: 2060.79

It turns out that if dopamine levels are too low

Time: 2064.38

in particular circuits in the brain,

Time: 2067.15

that it leads to unnecessary firing of neurons in the brain

Time: 2071.26

that are unrelated to the task that one is trying to do

Time: 2075.37

and that is unrelated to the information

Time: 2077.95

that one is trying to focus on.

Time: 2079.93

So if you think back before you've got this

Time: 2081.7

default mode network and a task-related network,

Time: 2084.26

and they need to be in this kind of concert of

Time: 2086.96

anti-correlation and an ADHD they're firing together.

Time: 2090.632

Well, the problem seems to be that when dopamine is low,

Time: 2095.32

certain neurons are firing when they shouldn't be,

Time: 2097.69

this is like a band, right?

Time: 2099.15

We'll go back to our band, that's a guitar bass in it,

Time: 2101.55

and the person playing the drums

Time: 2103.35

and it's as if one of those or several of those instruments

Time: 2106.66

are playing notes when they shouldn't be playing, right?

Time: 2109.5

The pauses and music are just as important

Time: 2112.03

as the actual playing of notes.

Time: 2115.68

When dopamine is too low neurons fire,

Time: 2119.05

more than they should in these networks

Time: 2120.92

that govern attention.

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This is the so-called low dopamine hypothesis

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and if you start looking anecdotally

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at what people with ADHD have done for decades,

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not just recently since the low dopamine hypothesis

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has been proposed,

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but what they were doing in the 1950s and then the 1940s

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and the 1960s.

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What you find is that they tend to use recreational drugs,

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or they tend to indulge in non drug stimulants.

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So things like drinking, six cups of coffee

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or quadruple espressos,

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or when it was more prominent

Time: 2161.14

smoking a half a pack of cigarettes

Time: 2163.02

and drinking four cups of coffee a day

Time: 2165.106

or if the person had access to it

Time: 2168.01

using cocaine as a recreational drug

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or amphetamine as a recreational drug.

Time: 2172.62

All of those substances that I just described

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in particular cocaine and amphetamine,

Time: 2177.76

but also coffee and cigarettes

Time: 2180.5

increase levels of multiple neurotransmitters,

Time: 2183.62

but all have the quality of increasing levels

Time: 2186.25

of dopamine in the brain and in particular,

Time: 2189.11

in the regions of the brain that regulate attention

Time: 2191.85

and these task related and default mode networks okay?

Time: 2195.8

Now young children,

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fortunately don't have access to those kinds of stimulants

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most of the time

Time: 2201.17

and those stimulants all have high potential

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for abuse in adults.

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So we will talk about the potential for abuse

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in a few minutes.

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But if you look at children,

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even very young children with ADHD,

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they show things like preference for sugary foods,

Time: 2217.65

which also act as dopamine inducing stimulants.

Time: 2221.81

Now, of course, once they get access to soda pop

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and coffee and tea,

Time: 2227.77

they start to indulge in those more than other people.

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For a long time,

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it was thought that children with ADHD

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consumed too many sugary foods or drank too much soda

Time: 2235.68

or adults with ADHD

Time: 2238.34

would take recreational drugs like methamphetamine

Time: 2240.81

or cocaine or would drink coffee to excess

Time: 2244.08

or smoke cigarettes to excess

Time: 2245.88

because they had poor levels of attention

Time: 2248.39

and because they couldn't make good decisions,

Time: 2251.21

they were too impulsive and so forth

Time: 2253.38

and while that certainly could be the case,

Time: 2255.66

knowing what we now know about dopamine,

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and the fact that having enough dopamine is required

Time: 2261.94

in order to coordinate these neural circuits

Time: 2263.63

that allow for focus and quality decision-making

Time: 2267.048

an equally valid idea is that these children

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and these adults are actually trying to self-medicate

Time: 2273.88

by pursuing these compounds, right?

Time: 2276.17

Things like cocaine lead to huge increases in dopamine.

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Well, what happens was when somebody with ADHD

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takes that drug,

Time: 2283.29

it turns out they actually obtain

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heightened levels of focus,

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their ability to focus on things

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other than things they absolutely care

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intensely about goes up,

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likewise, children who consume anything

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that increases their levels of dopamine,

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if those children have ADHD, they tend to be calmer,

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they tend to be able to focus more.

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Now, this is very different than children

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who do not have ADHD.

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When they consume too much sugar,

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they tend to become super hyperactive.

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When they consume any kind of stimulant,

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they tend to go wild and run around like crazy.

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Actually, I have an anecdote about this

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just to illustrate it.

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I have a friend,

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he has two children that are now in their teens

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and twenties, but when they were little,

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one time, I brought them some chocolate just as a gift,

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when I showed up at their house and within 30 minutes,

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the kids were running around like crazy

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I mean they were pretty high energy kids,

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but they were going bonkers

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and that's actually when the mother, my friend at the time,

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unfortunately, still now looked at the chocolate,

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realized that it was chocolate with espresso beans in it.

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It was like dark chocolate with espresso beans

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so I was really at fault there,

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you don't want to give kids dark chocolate

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with espresso beans,

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but what you're really seeing that hyperactivity

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that is dopamine, okay?

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It's the sugar combined with the caffeine in this case,

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combined with a few other compounds that exist in chocolate,

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that really increase our levels of alertness

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and our tendency to want to move around a lot, okay?

Time: 2367.63

So dopamine and low levels of dopamine

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apparently are what's wrong in people with ADHD,

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that dopamine hypothesis

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is what led to the idea that treating people,

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children and adults included with dopaminergic compounds

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would somehow increase their ability to focus

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and if you look at the major drugs that were developed

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and now marketed by pharmaceutical companies

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for the treatment of ADHD,

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those drugs have names like Ritalin.

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Nowadays, it's typically things like Adderall, Modafinil

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and some of the other derivatives,

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they all serve to increase levels of dopamine

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in particular dopamine in the networks

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that control task directed behavior,

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and that coordinate the default mode network

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and these task-related networks.

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So many of you have probably heard of Ritalin.

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Ritalin is a prescription stimulant that is

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prescribed for ADHD as well as for narcolepsy.

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Narcolepsy is a condition

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in which people tend to fall asleep

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during the day time, quite a lot,

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excessive daytime sleepiness,

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not due to lack of sleep at night,

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but also tend to fall asleep when they get excited,

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if they're really emotionally excited or about to eat

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or any other kind of activity that

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would normally get somebody really aroused and alert

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people with narcolepsy tend to fall asleep,

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or they tend to become what's called cataplectic.

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They tend to just sort of go limp in the muscles.

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So it's this invasion of sleep into the daytime.

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It's dysregulated by emotion.

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You can imagine why a stimulant,

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something that would wake you up, make you very alert,

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focused and motivated

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would be a good treatment for narcolepsy.

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Adderall also is used to treat ADHD and to treat narcolepsy

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things like Modafinil

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also used to treat ADHD and narcolepsy.

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So you're sensing a theme here.

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So what are the differences and similarities

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between these drugs

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and what can that tell us about ADHD?

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Well, Ritalin was one of the first-generation drugs

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that was prescribed for ADHD in order to deal head on

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with this dopamine hypothesis.

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This idea that in ADHD, dopamine levels are too low.

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Nowadays, Adderall is the more typically prescribed drug

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for ADHD that has to do

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with some of the so-called pharmacokinetics,

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the rate at which those drugs enter the system

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and how long they last in the system.

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So for instance,

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Ritalin was a drug that was packaged

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into various time-release formulas.

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Whereas initially Adderall was only released in a form that

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had a very short life,

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So meaning that it wasn't in the bloodstream very long

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and didn't affect the brain for very long

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and so the dosages could be controlled in a more typical way

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without going into a lot of tangential detail.

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As you all know, at different times of day,

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you tend to be more or less alert.

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So a long sustained release drug

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while that might sound like a really terrific thing.

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If that drug is having an effect

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of making you more alert

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and it's released across very many hours of your day,

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there might be periods of your day

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when you feel too alert,

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periods of your day,

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when you feel just right and periods of your day,

Time: 2557.01

when you wished that you were more alert.

Time: 2559.27

These are some of the pharmacokinetics, kinetics,

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meaning movement of the different compounds

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within the bloodstream and brain that could,

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you could imagine in a very real way,

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would impact whether or not someone would feel really good

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on one of these drugs or whether or not

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they would feel too anxious or too sleepy and so on.

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Let's take a step back for a second and just ask,

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what are these drugs?

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We know they increase dopamine,

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but what are they really?

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Well, Ritalin also called methylphenidate

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is very similar to amphetamine speed,

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or what's typically call speed

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in the street drug nomenclature.

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Adderall, which goes by various other names, okay?

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So Adderall, Adderall XR, my dialysis, things like that.

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Adderall is basically a combination of

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amphetamine and dextroamphetamine.

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Now some of you probably realize this,

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that Adderall is amphetamine,

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but I'm guessing that there a good number of you out there,

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perhaps even parents and kids that don't realize that

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these drugs like cocaine and amphetamine methamphetamine,

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which are incredibly dangerous and incredibly habit forming

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and have high potential for abuse.

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Well, the pharmaceutical versions of those

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are exactly what are used to treat ADHD

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and they're not exactly like cocaine or methamphetamine,

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but they are structurally and chemically very similar

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and their net effect in the brain and body

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is essentially the same,

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which is to increase dopamine primarily,

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but also to increase levels of a neuromodulator

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called epinephrin or norepinephrine

Time: 2656.42

also called noradrenaline and adrenaline

Time: 2658.29

those names are the same and to some extent

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to increase levels of serotonin in the brain and blood,

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but not so much serotonin,

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that's just kind of a small smidgen of effect, okay?

Time: 2668.42

So dopamine way up norepinephrine and adrenaline way up.

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So that's motivation drive, focus and energy

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and to some extent, a little bit of serotonin,

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which is really more about feeling calm and relaxed

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and you can imagine why that would be

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a good balancing effect for dopamine and norepinephrine.

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So what I'm essentially saying is that the drugs

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that are used to treat ADHD are stimulants,

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and they look very much alike.

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In fact, nearly identical to

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some of the so-called street drugs,

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stimulants that we all here are so terrible.

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However, I do want to emphasize

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that at the appropriate dosages

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and working with a quality psychiatrist

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or neurologist or family physician

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does have to be a board certified MD

Time: 2717.86

that prescribes these things,

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many people with ADHD achieve excellent relief

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with these drugs, not all of them, but many of them do,

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especially if these treatments are started early in life.

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So now knowing what these drugs are,

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I want to raise the question of why prescribe these drugs?

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I mean, everyone has to make a decision for themselves

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or for their child as to whether or not

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they're going to take these things or not.

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I also want to acknowledge that many people out there,

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many, many people out there are taking these drugs,

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even though they have not been clinically diagnosed

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with ADHD when I say these drugs,

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I'm specifically referring to Ritalin and Adderall

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and Modafinil, but more typically it's Adderall, okay?

Time: 2760.12

People using cocaine and amphetamine

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for recreational purposes,

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that's a completely different beast

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and it is indeed a beast

Time: 2766.51

and it's something that I strongly discourage.

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However, I'm aware that up to 25% of college students,

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and perhaps as many as 35% of all individuals

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between the ages of 17 and 30 are taking Adderall

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on a regular or semi-regular basis

Time: 2787.16

in order to work, in order to study

Time: 2790.85

and in order to function and focus in their daily life.

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Even though they have not been diagnosed with ADHD,

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there's a whole black market for this.

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They're getting it from people with prescriptions.

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I'm not here to pass judgment.

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I just want to emphasize how these drugs work.

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Some of the things that they do to enhance cognition

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and focus that actually serve the brain well

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in certain individuals and how they can be very detrimental

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in other individuals.

Time: 2815.83

I sort of blew right past it.

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But the fact that in upwards of 25% of young people

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are taking things like Adderall,

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despite not having a clinical diagnosis of ADHD.

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Well, that's a ridiculously high number.

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A few years ago,

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it was estimated that Adderall use and Ritalin use

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without diagnosis of ADHD was second in incident

Time: 2839.69

only to cannabis,

Time: 2841.59

but actually now the consumption of Adderall

Time: 2845.41

without prescription is higher than

Time: 2849.1

the consumption of cannabis in that age group.

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So what that means is that there's a lot of stimulant use

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in that age group

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and there are a lot of adults also

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using and abusing stimulants in order to gain focus.

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Then we can have a whole discussion about whether or not

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life is becoming more demanding,

Time: 2865.7

whether or not the need for focus is excessive

Time: 2868.19

and that's why people are doing that.

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But frankly, it's an interesting discussion,

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but it's not one that would deliver us to any answers.

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Rather, I'd like to focus on the ways that people now

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and people have always been self-medicating

Time: 2879.61

to increase, focus, right?

Time: 2882.05

Caffeine, which I can indulge

Time: 2885.13

some, I don't think to access has long been used

Time: 2888.53

as a stimulant to increase dopamine,

Time: 2890.41

increase norepinephrine,

Time: 2891.39

increased focus and energy and in addition to that,

Time: 2895.23

it works through the so-called cyclic amp,

Time: 2896.8

phosphodiesterase pathway, remember anytime you see,

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you hear an ASE, that's an enzyme.

Time: 2902.3

Phosphodiesterase is involved in the

Time: 2904.61

conversion of things like cyclic amp into

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energy for cells and so forth.

Time: 2908.82

Basically coffee gives you energy it makes you feel good

Time: 2911.21

and it increases focus because of the circuits

Time: 2914.12

that it engages in the brain.

Time: 2917.39

People have been taking caffeine

Time: 2918.64

and continue to take it caffeine for ages.

Time: 2922.57

People also used to smoke cigarettes,

Time: 2925.39

nicotine in order to gain focus.

Time: 2927.6

Nowadays, that's less common because of the concerns,

Time: 2930.282

quite valid concerns about lung cancer from smoking,

Time: 2934.26

but there's a lot of vaping out there.

Time: 2937.17

There are a lot of people now consuming nicotine,

Time: 2939.93

which is the active substance in cigarettes

Time: 2942.51

and in most nicotine vapes that stimulates the brain

Time: 2946.93

to be more focused and more alert.

Time: 2949.29

So the idea of taking stimulants of consuming things

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or smoking things in order to increase alertness

Time: 2955.67

is not a new idea.

Time: 2957.2

It's just that in ADHD,

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it's surprising that these things would work, right?

Time: 2962.63

I mean, if the problem is

Time: 2963.77

Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder,

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what we're really talking about here,

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or children that are prescribed a drug

Time: 2971.89

that ought to be a stimulant,

Time: 2973

it ought to make them hyper hyperactive

Time: 2975.57

and rather than doing that,

Time: 2976.96

it actually somehow serves to calm them a bit,

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or at least allow them to focus.

Time: 2982.67

Here's the reason, children have a brain

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that's a very plastic meaning it can remodel itself

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and change in response to experience very, very quickly

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compared to adults.

Time: 2994.49

Taking stimulants as a child,

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if you are a child diagnosed with ADHD

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allows that forebrain task related network to come online,

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to be active at the appropriate times

Time: 3007.46

and because those children are young,

Time: 3009.71

it allows those children to learn what focus is

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and to sort of follow or enter that tunnel of focus.

Time: 3016.88

Now, by taking a drug, it's creating focus artificially,

Time: 3020.35

it's not creating focus because they're super interested

Time: 3023.26

in something it's chemically inducing, a state of focus,

Time: 3027.24

and let's face it a lot of childhood and school

Time: 3030.22

and becoming a functional adult

Time: 3031.55

is about learning how to focus

Time: 3032.7

even though you don't want to do something.

Time: 3034.09

In fact, when I was in college,

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I had this little trick that may or may not work

Time: 3037.22

for some of you,

Time: 3038.33

which is if I couldn't focus on the material

Time: 3040.92

I was trying to learn,

Time: 3042.35

I would delude myself into thinking

Time: 3044.5

that it was the most interesting thing in the world.

Time: 3046.46

I would just kind of lie to myself and tell myself,

Time: 3048.49

okay, this, I won't mention the subjects,

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I absolutely love this.

Time: 3054

I would just, I would tell myself that I loved it

Time: 3056.27

and I noticed that just that selective

Time: 3058.98

or deliberate engagement of that desire to know circuit,

Time: 3063.1

whatever that is in my brain, no doubt involves dopamine,

Time: 3066.14

allowed me to focus and remember the information

Time: 3068.37

and somewhat surprisingly or perhaps not surprisingly,

Time: 3071.64

I would often fall in love with the information.

Time: 3073.47

I find that that was my favorite class.

Time: 3074.99

So it was what I wanted to learn the most.

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So that's one way you can do it artificially,

Time: 3079.86

but kids with ADHD, they can't do that, right?

Time: 3082

They're told to sit still

Time: 3083.11

and they end up getting up 11 times.

Time: 3085.31

They are told that they can't speak out in class

Time: 3088.46

or that they have to remain in their seats for 10 minutes

Time: 3091.66

and they just, despite their best effort,

Time: 3093.8

they simply cannot do it,

Time: 3095.09

they're highly distractable.

Time: 3097.19

So what are we to make of this whole picture

Time: 3099.38

that we need more dopamine, but these kids with ADHD,

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they're getting their dopamine by way of a drug,

Time: 3105.23

which is for all the world amphetamines, right?

Time: 3107.97

It's speed, that's really what it is.

Time: 3110.18

What are the long-term consequences,

Time: 3111.52

where the short-term consequences and what should we make of

Time: 3115.81

people taking these drugs without a clinical need?

Time: 3118.21

What are the consequences there?

Time: 3120.1

Well, in order to get to some of those answers,

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I went to one of my colleagues,

Time: 3124.29

this is a colleague that I've actually known

Time: 3125.72

for a very long time, I was their teaching assistant

Time: 3128.3

when they were an undergraduate,

Time: 3130.15

they went on to get an MD, a medical degree,

Time: 3132.98

as well as a PhD and become a pediatric neurologist

Time: 3138.2

that specializes in the treatment of epilepsy

Time: 3141.04

and ADHD in kids of all ages, from age three to 21,

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that's the age range,

Time: 3146.553

pretty broad age range and has extensive knowledge in this

Time: 3150.21

and what makes them particularly interesting for sake of

Time: 3154.53

this discussion is that they have a child, a young boy,

Time: 3158.21

who's now showing signs of ADHD

Time: 3160.8

and they are on the threshold of trying to decide

Time: 3163.97

whether or not they will prescribe Adderall

Time: 3167.26

or something similar.

Time: 3169.24

So we had a discussion about this

Time: 3171.34

and prior to learning that their child may have ADHD.

Time: 3176.22

I asked the following questions.

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First of all, I asked,

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what do you think about giving young kids amphetamine?

Time: 3182.25

And their answer was, on the face of it, it seems crazy,

Time: 3188.03

but provided that the lowest possible dose is used

Time: 3192.08

and that that dosage is modulating as they grow older

Time: 3195.81

and develop those powers of attention,

Time: 3198.548

their observation was that they've seen more kids benefit

Time: 3202.73

than not benefit from that.

Time: 3205.54

Now I'm certainly not saying what people should do.

Time: 3207.73

You obviously have to go to a doctor

Time: 3209.16

because as I always say, I'm not a doctor,

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I don't prescribe anything,

Time: 3212.34

I'm a professor so I profess things

Time: 3214.01

and here I'm professing that you talk to your doctor,

Time: 3215.95

if you're considering giving Ritalin or Adderall

Time: 3219.15

or any type of stimulant to your child, of course,

Time: 3221.47

what could be more important than the health of your child.

Time: 3224.04

But it was a very interesting answer because

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typically we hear yes, medicator don't medicate.

Time: 3228.61

Rarely do we hear that the medication should be adjusted

Time: 3231.268

across the lifespan and in any particular kind of way.

Time: 3234.65

Now the fact that this person,

Time: 3236.38

this now friend of mine and colleague of mine

Time: 3238.966

has so much expertise in the way that the brain works

Time: 3242.487

and is considering putting their child on such medication.

Time: 3246.69

I said, why wouldn't you wait

Time: 3249.91

until your kid reaches puberty?

Time: 3251.5

I mean, we know that in boys and in girls,

Time: 3254.69

there are increases in testosterone

Time: 3256.11

and estrogen during puberty,

Time: 3257.51

that dramatically change the way that the body appears.

Time: 3261.44

But also that dramatically change

Time: 3263.05

the way that the brain functions in particular we know this,

Time: 3266.7

that puberty triggers the activation of so-called

Time: 3270.58

frontotemporal task related executive functioning.

Time: 3274.02

That's just fancy science speak for being able to focus,

Time: 3277.27

being able to direct your attention,

Time: 3278.61

being able to control your impulses, look at a small child,

Time: 3281.5

or look at a puppy and then look at an older child,

Time: 3284.3

or look at a dog, very different levels,

Time: 3286.49

patterns of spontaneous behavior.

Time: 3287.92

Young children move around a lot they're,

Time: 3289.84

I don't want to say shifty,

Time: 3290.673

cause that makes it sound like they're up to something bad,

Time: 3292.57

which they might be,

Time: 3293.51

but they don't have to be up to something bad,

Time: 3295.52

they fidget a lot.

Time: 3296.55

So to puppies,

Time: 3297.383

everything's a stimulus as animals and humans get older,

Time: 3300.5

they learn how to control their behavior and sit, still,

Time: 3304.27

listen and focus even if they don't want to.

Time: 3307.57

So giving a drug that allows a child to access that

Time: 3312.38

stillness early on it's thought will allow them

Time: 3316.3

to maintain that ability as time goes on.

Time: 3319.64

But I decided to push a little bit further,

Time: 3321.57

I said, well, why would you do it now

Time: 3325.09

as opposed to during puberty or after puberty?

Time: 3328.46

And their answer was very specific

Time: 3330.58

and I think very important, what they said was look,

Time: 3333.53

neuroplasticity is greatest in childhood

Time: 3337.21

and tapers off after about age 25,

Time: 3340.35

but neuroplasticity from age three until age 12 or 13

Time: 3345.54

is exceedingly high and they're right,

Time: 3349.04

when you sit back

Time: 3349.9

and you look at the literature on neuroplasticity,

Time: 3352.09

you'd say childhood plasticity and young adult plasticity

Time: 3354.67

is much greater than adult plasticity,

Time: 3357.01

but that early childhood plasticity is far and away

Time: 3360.33

the period in which you can reshape the brain

Time: 3363.46

at an accelerated rate.

Time: 3365.42

So this lines up really well with the clinical literature.

Time: 3368.86

Not surprisingly,

Time: 3369.693

there are clinician that early treatment is key.

Time: 3373.51

If you have the opportunity to work with a quality physician

Time: 3376.56

and treat these things early,

Time: 3378.43

these drugs can allow these frontal circuits,

Time: 3381.13

these task-related circuits to achieve their appropriate

Time: 3384.9

levels of functioning and for kids to learn how to focus

Time: 3387.84

in a variety of different contexts.

Time: 3390.43

Now, is that the only thing that they should be doing?

Time: 3393.36

Of course not.

Time: 3394.35

So the next question I asked was

Time: 3396.66

what should we make of all this diet related stuff, right?

Time: 3400.06

I've heard before that the so-called elimination diet

Time: 3404.3

or ingesting no sugars or no dairy or no gluten,

Time: 3408.86

that all of these things have been purported

Time: 3411.01

to improve symptoms of ADHD and people and parents with ADHD

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go to fanatic lanes to try and find the exact foods

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that are causing problems and the exact foods

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that the kids can eat in order to try

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and get their brain wired up right,

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and correctly, and to avoid lifelong ADHD

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and their answer was really interesting.

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But before I tell you their answer,

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I want to tell you the studies and the data

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related to this question of whether or not food

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and the constellation of foods that one avoids

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and will eat has anything to do with our levels of attention

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and in particular,

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whether or not that can be used as a leverage point

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to treat ADHD.

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So you can imagine the challenges of exploring the role

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of diet and nutrition in any study,

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but especially in a study on ADHD, why?

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Well, because as I mentioned before, children with ADHD,

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and it turns out adults with ADHD

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tend to pursue sugary foods or any types of food

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that increase their levels of dopamine.

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They are naturally drawn to those foods,

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whether or not they realize it or not,

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presumably as a way to try and treat

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their lack of focus and impulsivity.

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So in this study that I'm about to share with you,

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there was no drug treatment, it was just a study,

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manipulating diet and involved 100 children,

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50 in the so-called elimination diet group,

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the special diet where certain foods were eliminated

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and 50 in the so-called control group.

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However, being a well-designed randomized controlled trial,

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this study also included a crossover,

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meaning where the kids would serve as their own control

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or control group at a certain portion of the study.

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So there'll be in one group

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where they eliminated certain foods

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and then after a period of time in the study,

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they would swap to the other group.

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This is a powerful way to design a study

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for reasons that you can imagine,

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because you start to eliminate changes and effects

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due to individual differences.

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In any case, 100 children total 50 in each group

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at any one period in time

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and the effects that they observed were extremely dramatic.

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In the world of statistics and analysis of scientific data,

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we talk about P-values, probability values.

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What's the likelihood that something

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could happen according to chance

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and typically the cutoff would be

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something like P less than 0.05,

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that's less than 0.05 chance essentially,

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of the effect being due to chance.

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However, in this study,

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every single one of the effects is P less than 0.0001,

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very, very infant decimally small

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probability that the effect observed could be due to chance.

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So what were these effects?

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These effects were enhanced ability to focus,

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less impulsivity,

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even less tendency to move when trying to sit still.

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So everything from mental focus

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to the ability to control their bodies improved

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when they were in the elimination diet group,

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what was eliminated?

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Well, the elimination diet in this particular study

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was a so-called oligoantigenic diet.

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It was a diet in which each kid took a test to determine

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which foods they had antibodies for,

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meaning that they were mildly allergic to.

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Now in this study, it was very important

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that the kids not be extremely allergic to any food

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because as I mentioned before,

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they actually served as a control at one point in the study

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where they were eating all sorts of foods,

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including foods that had mild allergies to.

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So basically what the study said was that eliminating foods

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to which children have allergies

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can dramatically improve their symptoms of ADHD.

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And this study,

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not surprisingly because it was published

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in such a high quality journal Lancet, et cetera,

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large number of subjects set the world on fire.

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People were extremely excited about these results

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because here in the absence of any drug treatment,

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there was a significant improvement

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in ADHD symptoms observed and then came the criticisms.

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So many papers were published after this specifically

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dealing with re-analysis of these data

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and I want to be fair in saying that

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the data in the paper look good,

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but there are criticisms

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of the overall structural design of the study.

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I don't want to go into all the details exactly

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'cause it gets really nuanced about some of the statistics

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and the way that one examines these types of data,

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but there was skepticism

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and in science, skepticism is healthy,

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especially when making decisions about

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whether or not to treat or feed children

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one food or another, or give them one drug or another.

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Now I want to return to the story of my friend,

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who is a pediatric neurologist and treats ADHD

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and has a child who is on the precipice of

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perhaps starting to take drugs for the treatment of ADHD.

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I asked the simple question, do you see an effect of diet?

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Meaning when parents control the diet of their children,

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does it make a positive or negative or no difference in

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terms of the way that the kids respond to ADHD,

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drugs like Ritalin and Adderall or whether or not

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it can help them avoid treating with those drugs entirely?

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And her response was very straightforward, she said,

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elimination of simple sugars

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has a dramatic and positive effect.

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She's observed that over and over and over again

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in many dozens, if not hundreds of patients, okay?

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Now that's not a peer reviewed study,

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that's a statement that I'm conveying to you anecdotally,

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but it's a highly, highly informed one.

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I said, what about these elimination diets?

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She said, and I found other sources to support this,

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that these oligoantigenic diets are controversial.

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There are many people who really believe

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in identifying all the things that you're allergic to

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and making sure that you

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and especially your kids avoid those foods.

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However, there's another camp that's starting to emerge

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in the peer reviewed scientific literature,

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showing that when kids are not exposed to certain foods

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in particular nuts and things of that sort,

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they develop allergies to those foods

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and then when exposed to them later,

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they cause real problems.

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So there's a whole galaxy of discussion and controversy

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and outright fighting about allergies

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and kids and whether or not the oligoantigenic diet

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is the appropriate one.

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However, out of the four neurologists and psychiatrists

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that I spoke to about ADHD in preparation for this,

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every single one said children with ADHD,

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as much as possible,

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should be encouraged to avoid high sugar

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and simple sugar foods of most kinds

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and if they can find particular foods

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that exacerbate their symptoms,

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obviously eliminating those foods is beneficial

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and the foods that exacerbate their symptoms

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change over time.

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So I don't like giving a complicated answer,

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but I also don't like giving an incomplete answer.

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What this tells me is that children,

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especially young children who have ADHD

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should probably not eat much sugar

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in particular simple sugars.

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In addition to that,

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exploring whether or not they have existing allergies

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to foods, they already consume might be a good idea.

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At least that's what this paper,

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the Pelsser et. al Lancet paper seems to speak to

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and I should mention that that paper was published in 2011.

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Since then there have been many dozens of studies exploring

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the same thing, as well as meta analysis of all those data

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and it does appear that diet can have

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a highly significant role in eliminating

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or at least reducing the symptoms of ADHD

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so much so that some of the children

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are able to not take medication at all,

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or eventually wean themselves off medication

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as young adults and as adults.

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One interesting question is whether or not adults

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should modify their diet in order to

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increase their levels of focus,

Time: 3872.72

if they're already having normal levels of focus,

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but we'd like more or would like to reduce

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existing adult ADHD, that's an interesting,

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and even more controversial topic,

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it brings us right into the realm of what are called

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omega-3 fatty acids.

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I've talked many times on this podcast about

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the known benefits of omega-3 fatty acids in particular,

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getting a one gram 1000 milligrams or more

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even as much as 2000 milligrams each day of

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the so-called EPA component of omega-3 fatty acids

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known to have antidepressant effects,

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mood elevating effects,

Time: 3909.66

known to have important effects

Time: 3913.12

protecting the cardiovascular system.

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I think it's now clear that the immune system also benefits

Time: 3918.86

that omega-3 fatty acids that include a gram or more of EPA

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that are very beneficial typically

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that's done through fish oil,

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liquid fish oil is going to be the most cost efficient,

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but they're capsule forms

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for those of you that don't like fish oil,

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you can ingest this through other means

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you can get it from certain algaes or krill, et cetera.

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You have to make it compatible with your particular diet,

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whether or not you're vegan

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or vegetarian or omnivore, et cetera.

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Omega-3s have shown,

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been shown to have all these positive health benefits.

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Do they have positive effects on focus and attention?

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And the answer is you can find studies

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that support that statement and the effects are significant,

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but the effects are modest.

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You can also find studies that show no effect,

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however much like with omega-3s and antidepressants,

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whereby ingestion of omega-3 fatty acids of a gram or

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more of EPA per day allows people with major depression

Time: 3980.17

to get away with taking lower doses

Time: 3981.96

of antidepressant medication.

Time: 3983.79

It does seem that ingestion of omega-3 fatty acids in adults

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that include EPA is of 1000 milligrams or more

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can allow adults with ADHD

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or mild attention deficit issues

Time: 3998.6

to function well on lower doses of medication

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and in rare cases to eliminate medication entirely.

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So what this says is once again,

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that the omega-3 fatty acids are beneficial,

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will they cure or eliminate ADHD?

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I think it's safe to say, no,

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they are playing a supportive

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or what we call a modulatory role.

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Just like good sleep,

Time: 4022.25

plays a supportive and modulatory role

Time: 4024.36

for essentially everything, your immune system,

Time: 4026.31

your ability to think your ability to regulate your emotion,

Time: 4028.5

it's modulating that process.

Time: 4030.83

This component of modulation

Time: 4033.01

is extremely important to highlight

Time: 4034.88

and I think I want to spend a moment on it because

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this is especially important in the context of ADHD

Time: 4040.56

and all the information that's out there.

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There are biological processes that are mediated

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by particular compounds like dopamine.

Time: 4048.94

So for instance, the ability to feel motivated,

Time: 4051.51

to attend to focus is mediated by the circuits in the brain

Time: 4055.89

that release dopamine.

Time: 4058.44

However, attention is also modulating by how rested you are.

Time: 4062.73

If you want to eliminate your ability to think well at all,

Time: 4065.8

just stay up for two nights and don't sleep at all right?

Time: 4068.69

If you do that,

Time: 4069.74

you will have modulating the circuits in your brain

Time: 4072.35

that respond to various things

Time: 4075.32

and you will be highly distractible.

Time: 4077.02

You'll be highly emotional.

Time: 4078.17

You will feel like garbage,

Time: 4079.63

but that doesn't mean that sleep mediates,

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focus and attention.

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It modulates it indirectly.

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Likewise, I think these omega-3 fatty acids

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in particular the EPA is which are so beneficial for mood

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and apparently also for attention,

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they directly mediate attention and mood,

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what they do is they modulate those circuits,

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they make dopamine more available.

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They make whatever dopamine is available,

Time: 4105.24

more likely to bind to the various receptors

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that are present on neurons and so forth

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and I think this is very important because likewise diet

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in any discussion about nutrition

Time: 4115.3

has to include this framework of is the diet,

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the elimination diet,

Time: 4119.6

or whether or not it's some other diet or esoteric diet,

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ketogenic diet, is it modulating or mediating a process?

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And most likely in the context of ADHD,

Time: 4128.81

it's modulating that process.

Time: 4131

So if the ADHD is mild or if it's caught early enough,

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or if it's in conjunction with pharmacology

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with a prescription treatment,

Time: 4139.31

well, then it might help guide the child or adult

Time: 4141.91

to a better place of being able to focus.

Time: 4143.99

But it's not going to be the switch that flips everything.

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Now that does not mean that consuming the wrong foods,

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sugary foods or foods that you happen to be allergic to

Time: 4153.16

is a good idea it will still be detrimental.

Time: 4156.1

So I hope that conceptual framework helps

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because if you go online,

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if you're somebody with ADHD

Time: 4160.42

or not your going to be bombarded with the ADHD diet,

Time: 4164.5

the oligoantigenic diet, the elimination this,

Time: 4167.81

this supplement that EPA

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and I think it's very important to understand whether or not

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you're talking about something mediating a process

Time: 4174.59

or modulating a process.

Time: 4176.31

Now drugs like Ritalin, drugs like Adderall,

Time: 4178.88

they are tapping into the circuitries

Time: 4180.26

and the neurochemistries that mediate attention and focus.

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They are not the only alternatives or the only choices

Time: 4188.43

rather for treatment of these circuits

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and enhancement of the circuits for focus.

Time: 4192.24

I'm going to talk about other alternatives

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and some behavioral alternatives

Time: 4196.02

that are not very well known,

Time: 4197.46

but are very, very effective in a few minutes.

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But I really want to make this clear distinction

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between modulation and mediation,

Time: 4205.64

because it's vital for anyone that's trying to modulate

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or mediate anything within their own brain.

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If any of you are interested in this oligoantigenic diet,

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as it relates to ADHD,

Time: 4216.267

and you want to explore a more recent study

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besides that classic 2011 Lancet study,

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that's rather controversial.

Time: 4223.87

There's a paper that was published in frontiers

Time: 4225.97

in psychiatry just last year, 2020.

Time: 4229.09

The title of the paper is,

Time: 4230.47

"Oligoantigenic diet improves children's ADHD

Time: 4233.45

rating scale scores reliably in added video rating."

Time: 4237.76

The added video rating is just that they're using

Time: 4239.59

an additional measure of focus and attention.

Time: 4243.3

Again, that's Frontiers in psychiatry, 2020,

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I'll put a link to it in the caption,

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and that's a more recent study for you to peruse.

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So we've talked about the neural circuits of focus

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and the chemistry of focus,

Time: 4255.24

but we haven't talked yet about what would make us better

Time: 4259.44

at focusing and what focusing better really is.

Time: 4262.01

So let's take a step back and think about

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how we focus and how to get better at focus

Time: 4267.86

and I'm going to share with you a tool for which there are

Time: 4271.05

terrific research data

Time: 4273.33

that will allow you in a single session

Time: 4275.72

to enhance your ability to focus in theory forever.

Time: 4282.05

What am I about to read you is from an excellent book

Time: 4284.57

that I recommend,

Time: 4285.73

if any of you are interested in neuroscience

Time: 4287.41

and things like meditation and default mode networks

Time: 4290.53

and things of that sort,

Time: 4292.482

the book is called, "Altered Traits."

Time: 4295.55

Science reveals how meditation changes your mind,

Time: 4297.95

brain and body and no, I'm not going to try

Time: 4300.41

and convince you to meditate.

Time: 4301.8

I'm going to share with you a small passage in the book

Time: 4304.57

that relates some research data related to focus

Time: 4307.41

that are very important.

Time: 4308.71

If you want to meditate, that's your choice.

Time: 4310.64

That's a separate matter.

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This is a book by Daniel Goleman and Richard Davidson

Time: 4314.34

and I should just mention that

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Goleman is a well-known author

Time: 4317.7

has written books on emotional intelligence and so forth.

Time: 4320.86

Richard Davidson is also a PhD.

Time: 4324.12

He's a professor of psychology and psychiatry,

Time: 4326.55

and he's at a University of Wisconsin Madison,

Time: 4329.55

he's done terrific work on brain states

Time: 4332.31

and modulation of brain states and so forth.

Time: 4335.92

What we're about to talk about is

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when attention works and when attention falters

Time: 4341.95

and what we are specifically going to talk about

Time: 4344.09

are what are called attentional blinks,

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not actual eye blinks.

Time: 4348.07

We're going to talk about that in a few minutes,

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but we're going to talk about attentional blinks.

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I'm paraphrasing here because

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Goleman and Davidson wrote about this so beautifully.

Time: 4359.23

I'd rather paraphrase from them than try and just

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make up a new way to say it

Time: 4362.84

that is less interesting or less good,

Time: 4365

but I want to credit them.

Time: 4366.617

Attentional blinks are really easy to understand,

Time: 4368.87

if you think about a where's Waldo task,

Time: 4370.82

you know this task where's Waldo where,

Time: 4373.02

there are a bunch of people and objects

Time: 4374.96

and things in a picture

Time: 4376.19

and somewhere in there is Waldo

Time: 4377.67

with the striped hat and the glasses and go skinny dude,

Time: 4380.73

and you have to find Waldo

Time: 4382.39

and so it's a visual search

Time: 4383.86

and it's visual search for an object

Time: 4386.24

that has distinct features,

Time: 4387.34

but is embedded in this ocean of other things that

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could easily be confused as Waldo.

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So you tend to look, look,

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look, look, look, look, look, look, look,

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and then you find Waldo.

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Kids can do this they enjoy doing this.

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Adults may or may not enjoy it,

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but they can do it too.

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They find Waldo, when you find Waldo

Time: 4404.22

or when you search for a target

Time: 4406.17

in some other visual search task at that moment,

Time: 4409.35

your nervous system celebrates a little bit

Time: 4411.97

and it celebrates through the release of neurochemicals

Time: 4414.76

that make you feel good, you found it and you pause.

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Now, the pause is interesting because when you pause,

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what we know from many experiments is that

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in that moment of pause and mild celebration,

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however, mild you are not able to see another Waldo

Time: 4434.32

sitting right next to it.

Time: 4436.17

So what this means is in attending to something

Time: 4439.41

in searching and in identifying a visual target

Time: 4443.99

your attention blinked it shut off for a second

Time: 4447.22

and there's a more formal and more laboratory type

Time: 4450.97

way that we look at this.

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The more typical way to do this is to give someone

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a string of letters or a string of numbers

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and beforehand you tell them be on the lookout for the

Time: 4463.7

letters R and Z, okay?

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You're just going to watch this string of numbers go by

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and there will be a letter R in there,

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and there will be a letter Z in there

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and try and spot them both

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and what you find is when you present

Time: 4478.74

that string of numbers, and then they see the R,

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they see the R they register it consciously

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and they tend to miss the Z,

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just like in the Waldo type example.

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Now, of course the numbers are going by pretty quickly,

Time: 4493.61

but they can spot the R.

Time: 4496.22

They could also spot the Z,

Time: 4497.62

if you told them beforehand, just spot the Z

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and the numbers are moving through at the same rate

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in both conditions.

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So what that means is that in every case,

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you are capable of seeing the R or the Z

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it's when you try and see both that seeing the first one

Time: 4513.99

prevents you from seeing the second one,

Time: 4516.45

it's what we call an attentional blink.

Time: 4519.21

We do this all the time

Time: 4521.01

and people with ADHD tend to have many more

Time: 4525.46

attentional blinks than people that don't

Time: 4527.56

and this is true for children and for adults.

Time: 4530.77

This is an important point.

Time: 4532.09

So important that I want to emphasize it twice

Time: 4534.09

in case you attentionally blinked.

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If you see something that you're looking for,

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or you're very interested in something,

Time: 4540.89

you are definitely missing other information

Time: 4545.13

in part because you're over focusing on something

Time: 4547.96

and this leads to a very interesting hypothesis

Time: 4550.32

about what might go wrong in ADHD,

Time: 4553.44

where we've always thought that they cannot focus

Time: 4556.55

and yet we know they can focus on things

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they care very much about,

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well, maybe just maybe

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they are experiencing more attentional blinks

Time: 4566.18

than people who do not have ADHD

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and indeed, there are data now to support the possibility

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that that's actually what's happening

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and that should be exciting to anyone that has ADHD.

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It should also be exciting to anyone that cares about

Time: 4578.99

increasing their focus and their ability to attend.

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What this is saying is that these circuits,

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that underlie focus in our ability to attend

Time: 4586.41

and our ability to eliminate distraction,

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they aren't just failing to focus.

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That's just a semantic way of describing the outcome.

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They are over focusing on certain things

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and thereby missing other things.

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And so our distractability or the distractability

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of somebody with ADHD could exist because

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they are over focusing on certain elements

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and there are there for missing

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other elements that they should be attending to.

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So what they really need is this property

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that we call open monitoring.

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Now open monitoring is something

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that's described in the book that I just referred to

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and that typically is associated with people

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who have done a lot of meditation,

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so called Vipassana meditation,

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or have spent a lot of time learning how to

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do what's called open gaze visual analysis

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and open gaze thinking.

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But there's a simpler version of this

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that allows us to bypass all that.

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First of all,

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your visual system has two modes of processing.

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It can be highly focused, a soda straw view.

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So looking for the R in this string of numbers

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in the example that I just gave,

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or if you're very excited about something

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you're in that soda straw view of the world,

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and you're missing other things, okay,

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that's high levels of attention.

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However, there's also a property of your visual system

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that allows you to dilate your gaze,

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to be in so-called panoramic vision.

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Panoramic vision is something you can do right now,

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no matter where you are, and I can do it right now,

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you won't know that I'm doing it,

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but even though I'm still looking directly at you,

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I'm consciously dilating my gaze so that I can see the

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ceiling, the floor and the walls all around me.

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That panoramic vision is actually mediated by

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a separate stream or set of neural circuits

Time: 4686.9

going from the eye into the brain

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and it's a stream or set of circuits

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that isn't just wide angle view.

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It also is better at processing things in time.

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Its frame rate is higher.

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So you've seen slow motion video,

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and you've seen standard video,

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slow motion video gives you that slow motion look,

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because it's a higher frame rate.

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You're thin slicing time, okay?

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You can use panoramic vision to access the state

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that we call open monitoring.

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When people do that,

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they are able to attend to and recognize

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multiple targets within this string of numbers.

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They can see the R and they can see the Z

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and they can see additional things.

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So this is something that can be trained up

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and people can practice whether or not

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they have ADHD or not.

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What involves is learning

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how to dilate your gaze consciously,

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that's actually quite easy for most people,

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whether or not you wear corrective lenses

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or contacts or not

Time: 4744.44

you can consciously go into open gaze

Time: 4746.29

and then you can contract your field of view as well.

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There have also been studies done

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where people were taught to think in a particular way

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for a very short period of time,

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and that forever changed their ability to limit

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or reduce the number of these attentional blinks.

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There are now published accounts in the literature

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of a simple practice done for about 15 minutes,

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where subjects were asked to just sit quietly eyes closed

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and do what is sort of akin to meditation,

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but to not direct their mind

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into any particular state or place,

Time: 4778.38

but simply to think about their breathing

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and to focus on their so-called interoception,

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focus on how their body feels,

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their mind drifted to bring it back, okay?

Time: 4786.2

So it's basically meditation for about 15 minutes.

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That might not seem like a significant or unusual practice

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or that it would have any impact at all.

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But remarkably, just doing that once for 17 minutes,

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significantly reduced the number of attentional blinks

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that people would carry out.

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In other words, their focus got better

Time: 4808.56

in a near permanent way without any additional training.

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There's something about that practice of reducing the amount

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of visual information coming in

Time: 4817.2

and learning to pay attention to one's internal state,

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what we call interoception that allow them an awareness,

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such that when they needed to look for visual targets,

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when they need to focus on multiple things in sequence,

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they didn't experience

Time: 4830.56

the same number of attentional blinks

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and I should mention not incidentally as people age

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and their working memory gets worse

Time: 4838.25

and their ability to focus gets worse,

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the number of attentional blinks

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that they carry out goes up,

Time: 4844.22

and there are now studies exploring whether or not

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the simple meditation like practice of 15 to 20 minutes

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or so of sitting and just quietly resting

Time: 4853.34

and paying attention to one's breathing

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and internal state can also offset some of that

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age-related what is called cognitive decline.

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So what these data tell me is that

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regardless of whether or not you're a child

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or you're an adult,

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whether or not you have ADHD or not,

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whether or not you're experiencing

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age-related cognitive decline,

Time: 4872.73

or you would simply like to avoid

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age-related cognitive decline,

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a simple practice of taking 17 minutes

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sitting and paying attention to your internal state,

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just interocepting, registering your breathing,

Time: 4887.02

registering the contact of your skin

Time: 4889.18

with whatever surface you're on,

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can forever rewire your brain to be able to attend better

Time: 4895.6

and possibly even offset

Time: 4897.42

some of that age related attentional drift.

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Now, I don't expect anyone to start meditating regularly.

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I don't expect anyone to do anything they don't want to do,

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but I think most of us could handle

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one meditation's session of 17 minutes or so

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and so if ever there was a tool that stood to rewire

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our attentional circuitry in a powerful way.

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This seems to be it

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and in addition, the ability to engage in panoramic vision,

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to dilate our gaze,

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the so-called open monitoring that allows the brain

Time: 4930.03

to function in a way

Time: 4930.863

that it can detect more information faster,

Time: 4933.24

that's a powerful tool as well

Time: 4934.7

and the beauty of that tool is that it works the first time

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and it works every time.

Time: 4939.05

Now, how exactly it works is a little bit unclear.

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Is it for instance,

Time: 4945.93

orchestrating this synchrony or asynchrony

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between the default mode network

Time: 4950.61

and the task related networks we don't know.

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Those studies have not yet been carried out.

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Nonetheless, the effects are significant,

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they are long lasting and they appear to exist

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after just one session of this quiet

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17 minute interoception,

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which to me makes it seem like

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a very worthwhile thing to do for everybody.

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So we just talked about attentional blinks,

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which are essentially blinks of thinking

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it's your mind shutting off for a moment

Time: 4976.52

and missing information.

Time: 4978.69

Now let's talk about actual blinks,

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the sort that you do with your eyelids.

Time: 4983.09

Now, this might come across as somewhat obvious,

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but you can do fast, what are called spontaneous blinks

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and they're always coordinated between the two eyes

Time: 4992.84

or you can do long blinks

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like when you go to sleep at night,

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you do one very long blink, and I'm not being facetious.

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When you go to sleep at night,

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you are shutting your eyelids

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and you are limiting the amount of information coming in

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and your perception of time starts to drift

Time: 5010.49

as you go into sleep.

Time: 5011.69

Your perception of time changes from very fast,

Time: 5015.86

at one moment to very slow meaning the frame rate

Time: 5020.18

at which you are analyzing information dreaming, et cetera,

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is variable when you were in sleep,

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sometimes it's very fast.

Time: 5028.2

Meaning you experienced things in slow motion.

Time: 5029.86

Sometimes it's very fast.

Time: 5031.14

In waking to your experience of time

Time: 5035.99

can sometimes be very fast sometimes be very slow.

Time: 5038.6

Typically the more alert you are, the higher the frame rate,

Time: 5041.803

your thin slicing your experience.

Time: 5045.15

You've probably had this happen.

Time: 5046.41

If you're ever very stressed

Time: 5047.48

and you're waiting for something or somebody,

Time: 5049.9

it seems like it takes forever because

Time: 5052.85

your frame rate is higher

Time: 5054.07

you're analyzing time more finely.

Time: 5056.46

Conversely, if you are very relaxed or even sleepy,

Time: 5061.09

you wake up and you have to think of

Time: 5062.21

all the things you have to do.

Time: 5063.043

It will seem like the world is going by very, very fast

Time: 5065.72

and that you are moving very slow.

Time: 5068.04

Time is going at the same rate,

Time: 5070.36

but your perception of time is what's changed.

Time: 5073.62

Believe it or not.

Time: 5075.05

Your perception of time is also changed on a rapid basis.

Time: 5079.27

Moment to moment basis by how often you blink.

Time: 5084.28

This is a well-established literature

Time: 5086.82

in the world of neuroscience that unlike the literature

Time: 5091.05

and claims about blinking and sociopathy,

Time: 5093.75

which have no basis,

Time: 5095.69

the science of blinking as it relates to time perception

Time: 5099.05

has some very good data to support it.

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I want to just emphasize one study in particular,

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which is quite appropriately titled,

Time: 5106.447

"Time dilates after spontaneous blinking."

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This is a paper that was published in current biology.

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The first author is Terhune, T-E-R-H-U-N-E.

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It's a wonderful paper.

Time: 5117.54

They examine the relationship between fluctuations in timing

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and blinking and to make a long story short

Time: 5126.21

what they found is that right after blinks,

Time: 5129.96

we reset our perception of time, okay?

Time: 5133.57

So blinks in that sense are a little bit like

Time: 5136.13

the curtain coming down on a scene

Time: 5138.15

between scenes in a play

Time: 5140.12

or takes in a movie, and they clap the clap thing,

Time: 5143.21

they started take in our, what do they say, action

Time: 5146.82

and then at the end they do the thing and they click it down

Time: 5149.66

and they say, it's a take that's one take

Time: 5152.55

when you blink it's a take, okay?

Time: 5156.65

Now what's interesting

Time: 5158.26

and will immediately make sense to you as to why

Time: 5161.15

this is important is that the rate of blinking

Time: 5165.68

is controlled by dopamine.

Time: 5168.35

So what this means is that dopamine

Time: 5170.25

is controlling attention.

Time: 5171.53

Blinks relate to attention and focus,

Time: 5174.28

and therefore the dopamine and blinking system is one way

Time: 5177.81

that you constantly modulate and update

Time: 5181.87

your perception of time

Time: 5183.83

and fortunately, it's also one that you can control.

Time: 5187.07

So the basic takeaway of this study was that blinking

Time: 5189.98

controls time perception,

Time: 5191.21

but also that levels of dopamine

Time: 5193.84

can alter your sense of time and stay with me here,

Time: 5198.32

and that blinking and dopamine are inextricably linked.

Time: 5202.93

They are working together to control your attention.

Time: 5206.06

When dopamine levels go up,

Time: 5208.48

people tend to overestimate how long something lasted, why?

Time: 5213.62

Because they are processing time more finely

Time: 5216.28

it's slow motion mode.

Time: 5219.24

When dopamine levels are lower,

Time: 5221.07

they tend to underestimate time intervals.

Time: 5224.45

Let's remember back to the very beginning of the episode,

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what's going on in people with ADHD,

Time: 5230.42

they are not good at managing their time,

Time: 5232.62

they tend to run late, or they are disorganized.

Time: 5235.13

They are not just disorganized in space,

Time: 5237.78

meaning in that physical space, around them,

Time: 5240.348

they're disorganized in time.

Time: 5243.59

Their dopamine is low, we know that as well

Time: 5246.77

and so they are underestimating time intervals

Time: 5249.63

and so it makes perfect sense that they would be late.

Time: 5252.14

It makes perfect sense that they would lose track of time

Time: 5254.5

or the ability to focus.

Time: 5256.66

This is really exciting because what it means is that

Time: 5259.71

children with ADHD, adults, with ADHD

Time: 5262.34

or people with normal levels of focus

Time: 5264.16

that want to improve their ability to focus

Time: 5266.93

can do so through a training that involves

Time: 5270.23

learning how often to blink and when,

Time: 5273.15

and how to keep their visual focus on a given target

Time: 5276.86

and it turns out this study has actually been done.

Time: 5279.93

There's a study again, I'll link to the study,

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entitled "Improvement of attention

Time: 5284.14

in elementary school students

Time: 5286.04

through fixation focused training activity."

Time: 5288.74

I won't go through all the details,

Time: 5290.22

but what they found was a short period of

Time: 5294.3

focusing on a visual target,

Time: 5296.8

allowed the school children to greatly enhance

Time: 5300.04

their ability to focus on other types of information

Time: 5303.65

and a significant component of the effect was due

Time: 5306.11

to the way that they were controlling the shutters

Time: 5308.39

on their eyes, their eyelids, and controlling their blinks.

Time: 5311.73

So what they did in this study is they had these kids

Time: 5314.24

focus their visual attention

Time: 5315.76

on some object that was relatively close,

Time: 5318.04

like their hand for a minute or so,

Time: 5320.67

which actually takes some effort if you try and do that,

Time: 5322.89

they were allowed to blink.

Time: 5324.758

However, it's known from other work

Time: 5327.7

that if people can consciously override the desire to blink,

Time: 5331.179

at least to the point where they feel like they have to,

Time: 5334.01

or else their eyes were dry out,

Time: 5335.49

that actually can increase attention even further

Time: 5338.57

and they had conditions where they would look at a point

Time: 5340.98

further across the room and even further across the room.

Time: 5344.314

It only took a few minutes each day to do this

Time: 5347.39

30 seconds in one condition, or maybe a minute

Time: 5349.73

and then at another station

Time: 5351.21

of looking a little bit further out

Time: 5352.247

and a little bit further out, however,

Time: 5354.17

there was an important feature of this study

Time: 5356.43

that is definitely worth mentioning,

Time: 5358.6

which is before they did this

Time: 5360.55

visual focus, task or training,

Time: 5363.87

they did a series of physical movements with the kids

Time: 5367.41

so that the kids could sort of eliminate or move out

Time: 5370.53

some of their desire to move

Time: 5372.62

and would thereby enhance their ability to sit still.

Time: 5376.39

Now it's long been known that kids need a recess,

Time: 5378.78

they need time to run around and play and roll around,

Time: 5381.42

do whatever it is that they do

Time: 5382.48

in order to be able to sit still at all.

Time: 5384.85

Adults probably need this too, frankly,

Time: 5386.47

but kids need it more because the circuits in the brain

Time: 5389.75

that control reflexive movements and as we say,

Time: 5393.87

kind of rhythmic undulating behavior and things like that,

Time: 5397.1

that's an active suppression

Time: 5398.74

and kids have less of that circuitry built up

Time: 5400.81

until they hit about age 15 or 16.

Time: 5403.97

So they had the kids move around a bit

Time: 5406.18

and then do this focus training.

Time: 5408.54

That brings me to another treatment

Time: 5410.61

that's actively used nowadays in schools for kids with ADHD,

Time: 5414.42

but also is starting to be used by many kids

Time: 5418.45

and by parents in order to keep their kids focusing

Time: 5422.5

and not going crazy in the car or not acting out in general

Time: 5427.5

and that's the prevalence of these so-called fidgeter toys

Time: 5431.14

or things that kids can do actively

Time: 5432.88

and repetitively in order to move out

Time: 5434.61

some of their underlying reverberatory activity

Time: 5437.97

in their nervous system.

Time: 5439.32

So what you will find is that some kids with ADHD

Time: 5443.01

are now given a rubber band on their desk,

Time: 5445.68

literally a rubber band that's attached to their desk

Time: 5447.48

and they're able to pull on it,

Time: 5449.2

even snap it against the desk,

Time: 5450.63

if I had done that when I was a kid,

Time: 5451.69

I think my teachers were throw me out of class,

Time: 5453.42

but I think it's great that they're allowing them

Time: 5454.91

to do this now as a way of moving

Time: 5457.53

some of their physical energy out

Time: 5460.68

or engage their physical energy, rather,

Time: 5463.16

as opposed to trying to sit

Time: 5464.8

statue still all the time and attend

Time: 5466.93

and it turns out that does enhance these children's ability

Time: 5470.13

to focus mentally when they have some physical activity

Time: 5472.82

to attend to and it turns out it also can work for adults.

Time: 5476.98

I'll share with you I related anecdote

Time: 5479.16

because it illustrates the underlying mechanism.

Time: 5481.342

I've had the great privilege of being able to do a number of

Time: 5485.37

surgeries, brain surgeries during my career.

Time: 5488.52

So one thing you find when you do brain surgeries,

Time: 5490.213

is that the brain's pretty small

Time: 5492.122

regardless of the species that you're working on

Time: 5493.988

and you're in there and you're trying to do

Time: 5495.36

something very specific and the more you try

Time: 5498.14

and hold your hands really steady,

Time: 5500.46

the more they want to shake, all right?

Time: 5502.5

So it's not natural for any of our limbs

Time: 5504.65

to sit perfectly still,

Time: 5506.8

depending on how much coffee you had,

Time: 5508.18

how well rested you are

Time: 5509.72

and your sort of baseline level of autonomic arousal.

Time: 5512.1

Some of you may find that you can hold out your hand,

Time: 5514.29

absolutely rock solid, others will shake a little bit more.

Time: 5518.4

It doesn't mean you're if you're shaking,

Time: 5519.87

doesn't mean you're calm if you're still.

Time: 5523.46

What it relates to

Time: 5524.73

is the amount of what we call premotor activity,

Time: 5526.64

the number of commands to move

Time: 5528.37

that are being sent through the system

Time: 5529.72

and that's what I mean by reverberatory activity

Time: 5532.01

and it does seem that kids with ADHD and adults with ADHD

Time: 5536.01

have a lot of reverberatory activity

Time: 5538.47

in their nervous system

Time: 5539.327

and so that's that constant desire to move

Time: 5541.15

it's hard for them to sit still

Time: 5542.84

and therefore it's hard for them to attend,

Time: 5544.92

to harness their attention.

Time: 5547.599

When you do a surgery

Time: 5549.11

and you find that your hands are shaking,

Time: 5552.045

what you learn from your mentors,

Time: 5553.88

which I did and what works extremely well,

Time: 5556.13

whether or not you're doing a surgery or not,

Time: 5557.8

is that you simply tap your foot

Time: 5559.55

or you bounce your knee a little bit,

Time: 5560.96

which you might think would make your hand shake even more,

Time: 5564.24

but provided that it's subtle.

Time: 5565.96

What it does is it actually shuttle some of the activity

Time: 5569.22

from those premotor circuits to elsewhere in the body

Time: 5571.98

and then you're able to sit much more still with your hand,

Time: 5575.13

you're able to perform the surgery with much more precision.

Time: 5577.72

You are able to write with much better handwriting

Time: 5580.46

and for those of you who engage in public speaking,

Time: 5583.6

if you ever too nervous,

Time: 5584.84

that's why pacing while you public speak helps

Time: 5587.02

if you're nervous,

Time: 5587.853

that's why bouncing your knee behind the podium

Time: 5590.15

works as well.

Time: 5590.983

That's why nodding your head and gesticulating can help.

Time: 5593.34

It's not a matter of,

Time: 5595.557

"Moving energy out of the body."

Time: 5597.1

That doesn't actually happen,

Time: 5598.4

what it is you're engaging those premotor circuits

Time: 5600.97

that are sending through commands.

Time: 5602.36

It's like trying to stuff,

Time: 5603.4

a bunch of stuff through a funnel,

Time: 5605.05

and it creates this tension,

Time: 5606.67

so you're giving it an outlet for the neural circuitry

Time: 5611.01

to be able to move something

Time: 5612.37

so that you can keep other components of your body

Time: 5614.64

and your mental attention engaged

Time: 5617.51

and locked onto something what we call focus.

Time: 5621

One thing related to this whole business of blinking

Time: 5623.26

and focus and training yourself to focus

Time: 5625.52

and not blinking, et cetera, is that most all of the drugs,

Time: 5631.08

Ritalin, Adderall, and recreational drugs

Time: 5633.71

that increase dopamine,

Time: 5635.15

even coffee and tea and other forms of caffeine,

Time: 5639.51

they tend to make us blink less

Time: 5641.76

and when we get tired, we tend to blink more.

Time: 5644.56

Now this is sort of a duh, right?

Time: 5647.27

But being wide-eyed with excitement or fear

Time: 5650.59

or with your eyes, barely being able to keep them open,

Time: 5655.37

now it should make perfect sense that these shutters

Time: 5657.59

on the front of your eyes,

Time: 5658.5

they aren't just there for winking

Time: 5660.34

and they aren't just there for cosmetic purposes.

Time: 5662.98

They are there to regulate the amount of information

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going into your nervous system

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and they're there to regulate how long

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you are bringing information into your nervous system

Time: 5674

and in what bins, how widely or finely

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you are binning time is set by how often you blink

Time: 5680.96

and how widely or specifically

Time: 5684.44

you are grabbing attention from the visual world is set

Time: 5686.78

by whether or not you're viewing things very specifically

Time: 5688.92

like a cross area through a soda straw view like this,

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or whether or not you were in this panoramic

Time: 5694.05

sort of whole environment mode,

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this kind of fisheye lens or wide angle lens mode

Time: 5700.54

and in fairness to the pharmacology and the circuitry,

Time: 5704.12

while dopamine and heightened levels of alertness

Time: 5707.78

and excitement tend to make us blink less and attend more.

Time: 5712.84

There's actually a study that's looked at

Time: 5714.58

the other neurochemical systems

Time: 5716.89

and drugs and how those relate to blinking

Time: 5719.41

and so this will all be obvious by the title of the paper

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I'm about to share with you.

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This is a paper entitled,

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"Decreased spontaneous eyeblink rates

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in chronic cannabis users,

Time: 5729.97

evidence for stride or cannabinoid, dopamine interactions."

Time: 5734.15

Okay, I'm not going to go into all the details here,

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but one thing that is somewhat surprising is that

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many people with ADHD use or abuse cannabis,

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you might think, well, why would they do that?

Time: 5747.11

Because I thought that a increase in dopamine

Time: 5750.55

is actually what's going to lead

Time: 5751.56

to heightened levels of attention

Time: 5752.73

and that's what these people in children crave.

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Well, it turns out that cannabis also

Time: 5757.79

increases dopamine transmission in the brain,

Time: 5760.77

but because of the other chemicals,

Time: 5762.87

it increases namely serotonin

Time: 5764.51

and some components of the cannabinoid and opioid system,

Time: 5767.53

it creates that kind of alert, but mellow feel

Time: 5773.13

and again, here I'm not a proponent of this,

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I personally am not a THC or cannabis user.

Time: 5778.02

It's just not my thing

Time: 5780.12

and obviously it's illegal some places

Time: 5781.81

and so you have to determine that for yourself

Time: 5784.04

it does have medical purposes in some places it is legal,

Time: 5788.38

but THC increases dopamine and increases neurochemicals

Time: 5792.24

that can also create a state of calm.

Time: 5794.14

So it's that sort of middle ground

Time: 5795.97

and this paper has a beautiful demonstration

Time: 5798.5

whereby not just while people are using cannabis,

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but depending on how long they've been using

Time: 5804.93

cannabis across their lifespan,

Time: 5806.88

the rates of eye blinking change.

Time: 5809.16

So if you look at the number of years

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that people have been using cannabis on a regular basis,

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either daily or up to excuse me, weekly, or up to daily,

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what you find is that for people

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that have not been using cannabis at all,

Time: 5822.76

or have only been using it for about two years,

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their rates of eye blinks are much higher

Time: 5828.26

than people who've been using it chronically for 10 years.

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In other words, people

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who may be using cannabis for 10 years,

Time: 5833.42

don't blink very often at all.

Time: 5835.44

Now cannabis has well known effects in depleting memory,

Time: 5839.53

but it does seem to engage the focus

Time: 5842.67

and blinking system in a way that increases focus.

Time: 5845.63

So basically what I'm saying is

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marijuana seems to increase people's focus,

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but then they can't remember what they were focusing on.

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Something I'd like to discuss just briefly is the so-called

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interoceptive awareness that's present in people with ADHD,

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both children and adults.

Time: 5860.97

Interoceptive awareness is one sense

Time: 5863.69

of one's own internal state heartbeat,

Time: 5866.46

breathing contact of skin with a given surface, et cetera.

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For a long time, there was this hypothesis,

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this idea that people with ADHD,

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were just not in touch with how they felt

Time: 5877.61

that somehow they weren't registering

Time: 5879.41

all the stuff that was going on inside them

Time: 5881.44

changes in heart rate and so forth

Time: 5882.99

and so they were behaving in a way

Time: 5884.9

that was dysregulated or appear dysregulated,

Time: 5888.79

and that if they could just learn to attend

Time: 5891.4

to their internal state better,

Time: 5893.24

that somehow they would function better in the world.

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Now, before we described a process,

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literally a 17 minute interoceptive exercise

Time: 5903.11

that does seem to lead to improvements

Time: 5905.86

in one's ability to focus for a longer period of time.

Time: 5909.94

However, it's very unlikely that that was due to

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increasing interoceptive awareness per se.

Time: 5917.37

It probably wasn't because people gain a much heightened

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or improved ability to understand

Time: 5924.25

what's going on internally.

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In fact, you can imagine how that might actually

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prevent one's ability to pay attention to things

Time: 5929.96

in the outside world.

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So while there is benefit to just sitting there

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and being in stillness, as they say,

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or focusing on one's breathing and internal state

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for sake of then accessing information

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in the external world,

Time: 5941.93

a really nice study called interoceptive awareness

Time: 5946.52

and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder

Time: 5948.62

explored whether or not interoceptive awareness

Time: 5951.14

was different in people with ADHD or did not have ADHD

Time: 5955.832

and the findings were essentially that there's no difference

Time: 5960.2

that people with ADHD, children, and adults,

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they are aware of what's going on inside them

Time: 5965.35

just as much as anyone else's

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and the typical measure of interoceptive awareness

Time: 5969.87

is one's ability to count their own heartbeats.

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This is actually challenging for some individuals

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and very easy for other individuals,

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regardless of their attentional capacity.

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Some people just can really feel their heartbeat

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without taking their pulse other people cannot

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and these studies are pretty straightforward to do.

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You ask people to sit there and to count their heartbeats,

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and then you are monitoring their heartbeats

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and you get to gauge how accurate they are.

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So it's important to understand that people with ADHD

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are in touch with how they feel.

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It's really a question of whether or not

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they can take the demands that are placed upon them

Time: 6006.76

and enter a cognitive state of mental state

Time: 6009.43

that allows them to access the information

Time: 6011.22

they need to access

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in other words, whether or not they can focus,

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but it is absolutely wrong to think that

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the child that's getting up 11 times during a short

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six minute interaction at the table,

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or whether or not a child who

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somehow has to venture off every moment

Time: 6026.27

or a coworker of yours

Time: 6027.64

who's an adult who's constantly fidgeting

Time: 6029.43

or moving things around that somehow they are unaware

Time: 6031.5

that they are oblivious,

Time: 6032.41

they're not oblivious to how they feel.

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Chances are they're very challenged in the situations

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that they're in

Time: 6037.353

and they're doing everything they can to try

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and regulate their attention.

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So I think it's an important study to highlight

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because it really underscores the fact that

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something else is going on

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and that something else has everything to do

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with this ability to coordinate

Time: 6049.6

these tasks directed networks,

Time: 6051.22

and to coordinate that in the proper way

Time: 6053.93

with that default mode network

Time: 6055.7

and that is a process as you now know,

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that's regulated exquisitely by certain neurochemicals

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and in particular the neurochemicals, dopamine,

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norepinephrine and serotonin,

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and a fourth one I'd like to throw into the mix,

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which is acetylcholine,

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which is very vital for cognitive focus.

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So now I want to switch back to talking about

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some of the drugs that are typically used

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to access those systems, prescription drugs

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and I want to talk about some of the new and emerging

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non-prescription approaches

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to increasing the levels of dopamine,

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acetylcholine and serotonin in the brain

Time: 6088.13

using various supplement type compounds,

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because several of them are showing

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really remarkable efficacy

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in excellent peer reviewed studies.

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So before moving to some of the newer atypical compounds

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and things sold over the counter,

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I'd like to just briefly return to the classic drugs

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that are used to treat ADHD.

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These are the ones I mentioned earlier,

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methylphenidate also called Ritalin,

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Modafinil or armodafinil is another one and Adderall,

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again, all of these work by

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increasing levels of dopamine and norepinephrine.

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Typically they're taken orally in pill form,

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or sometimes in capsule form

Time: 6131.65

the dosages that are appropriate vary,

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according to severity of the condition

Time: 6137.34

for a given person and the age of the person.

Time: 6140.89

This is a complicated landscape for each individual.

Time: 6144.24

They have to figure out the pharmacology

Time: 6145.76

that's best for them.

Time: 6146.99

Some individuals are even layering long

Time: 6150.34

or time to release Ritalin with Adderall in smaller doses,

Time: 6155.16

it can get quite complex or it can be quite straightforward

Time: 6157.81

if you are really interested in these drugs

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and how they work

Time: 6161.26

and you'd like to get a glance at a table of all the results

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from all the studies of which there are now hundreds,

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there's an excellent review about these drugs and their use

Time: 6174.06

and their comparison to similarly structured drugs

Time: 6177.27

in particular MDMA and cocaine and amphetamine,

Time: 6181.53

meaning Street Amphetamine

Time: 6183.03

to really illustrate the similarities

Time: 6185.17

of action and some of the problems associated

Time: 6188.56

with long-term use.

Time: 6190.27

I don't expect you to read this article in full

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I'm here so that you don't have to go read these articles,

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but in case you want a ton of information,

Time: 6197.1

the paper is Esposito et al Frontiers and bio-sciences,

Time: 6200.74

it's an excellent, excellent

Time: 6202.81

review of the entire literature.

Time: 6204.68

It is quite long.

Time: 6206.74

I can put a link to that study in our caption,

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and it essentially describes all the studies

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that have been done, peer reviewed and published,

Time: 6215.97

and it refers to these drugs in an interesting way.

Time: 6219.14

It doesn't just refer these drugs as for treatment of ADHD.

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It actually refers to them using language that ordinarily

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I'm not very fond of, but I'll agree to here,

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which is so-called smart drugs or nootropics.

Time: 6232.74

It also covers caffeine, which again as I mentioned earlier,

Time: 6236.88

increases dopamine norepinephrine

Time: 6239.37

and to some extent serotonin,

Time: 6241.89

but what I like about this review so much is that

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in putting, these drugs of abuse,

Time: 6247.04

methamphetamine, and cocaine, right alongside these drugs,

Time: 6249.61

like Ritalin and Adderall and also caffeine,

Time: 6252.37

we start to realize that the distinction between

Time: 6255.13

drugs of abuse

Time: 6255.963

and the distinction between drugs of treatment

Time: 6258.02

is actually a very fine and sometimes even a blurry line

Time: 6261.75

and in thinking about whether or not one wants to use

Time: 6265.44

these prescription, I want to emphasize prescription,

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not drugs of abuse,

Time: 6268.533

but prescription drugs

Time: 6269.51

for treatment of one's own attentional capacity.

Time: 6273.23

I think it is important to understand

Time: 6275.29

the extent to which they all carry

Time: 6277.14

more or less the same side effects.

Time: 6278.62

The one exception being caffeine caffeine side effects

Time: 6281.75

can be anxiety if you ingest too much of it, insomnia,

Time: 6284.7

if you drink it too late in the day,

Time: 6286.34

but typically it will not cause the major side effects

Time: 6289.44

of the other drugs,

Time: 6290.92

such as high propensity for addiction and abuse.

Time: 6295.595

Amphetamines of any kind as well as cocaine

Time: 6298.55

can cause sexual side effects

Time: 6300.68

because they're vasoconstrictors.

Time: 6302.604

So, men have trouble achieving erection,

Time: 6306.53

there can often be the intense desire or libido for sex,

Time: 6311.97

but an inability to actually perform.

Time: 6314.37

So that's an issue with any kind of stimulant.

Time: 6316.99

So these drugs are not without their consequences.

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In addition, and here I'd lump caffeine back into the mix.

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In addition, they almost all carry cardiac effects, right?

Time: 6327.77

They increase heart rate,

Time: 6328.88

but they also have effects on constriction of blood vessels

Time: 6332.83

and arteries and veins and so forth in ways

Time: 6334.95

that can create cardiovascular problems.

Time: 6337.57

Now, caffeine is a bit of a complicated one.

Time: 6340.54

I talked about this on a podcast long ago,

Time: 6342.65

but I'll just remind you that it turns out

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that if you are caffeine adapted, in other words,

Time: 6347.18

if you are used to drinking caffeine

Time: 6349.3

then the ingestion of caffeine,

Time: 6351.28

most often will cause vasodilation who actually allow more

Time: 6354.33

blood flow through.

Time: 6355.57

However, if you are not caffeine adapted,

Time: 6357.73

it will cause vasoconstriction

Time: 6359.619

due to an increased stress response.

Time: 6362.16

So if you're familiar with caffeine,

Time: 6364.22

caffeine can actually have a little bit more

Time: 6366.25

of a relaxation response

Time: 6368.09

although if you drink enough of it,

Time: 6368.923

it will make you amped up.

Time: 6371

These other drugs, almost always lead to vasoconstriction,

Time: 6375.05

increased heart rate dilation of the pupils, less blinking,

Time: 6378.22

heightened levels of attention,

Time: 6379.89

which looks very much like stress

Time: 6382.05

and at its extremes looks very much

Time: 6383.99

like the effects of street drugs,

Time: 6385.23

like cocaine and amphetamine.

Time: 6387.29

Because of the large amounts of

Time: 6388.39

dopamine that released in the brain.

Time: 6390.62

People tend to crave that state over and over

Time: 6393.35

and yet with each subsequent use

Time: 6396.26

are able to get less and less

Time: 6398.01

of that euphoric feeling

Time: 6399.41

or that really, really focused feeling.

Time: 6401.33

So one thing that's being explored quite extensively now

Time: 6403.56

in the treatment of ADHD are drug schedules.

Time: 6407.76

Whether or not people should take Adderall every day

Time: 6411.72

or every other day,

Time: 6412.8

whether or not they should take it

Time: 6413.83

only every once in a while,

Time: 6415.16

whether or not young children can take it just a few times

Time: 6417.76

and engage in behavioral training of the sort

Time: 6420.44

that I talked about before, where they're doing,

Time: 6422.99

maybe it's a 17 minute meditation type exercise,

Time: 6425.99

but more likely it would be the movement

Time: 6428.13

followed by the visual focusing,

Time: 6430.43

cause that's only done for 20 or 30 or 60 seconds.

Time: 6433.04

Why would you do that?

Time: 6433.873

Well in a chemically enhanced state,

Time: 6436.49

your brain is more plastic.

Time: 6437.85

The circuits are able to modify and learn better.

Time: 6442.574

That's the optimal time to engage in focus

Time: 6445.84

in a very deliberate way.

Time: 6447.37

So just taking a drug and expecting

Time: 6449.33

focus to just work at any point

Time: 6451.19

and being able to turn focus on and off at will,

Time: 6455.09

that's an unrealistic expectation, right?

Time: 6458.01

More likely the best use of things like Adderall, Modafinil,

Time: 6464.02

armodafinil and Ritalin is going to be

Time: 6467.33

to combine those treatments with behavioral exercises

Time: 6471.5

that actively engage the very circuits

Time: 6473.36

that you're trying to train up and enhance

Time: 6475.37

and then perhaps I want to highlight perhaps

Time: 6478.01

tapering off those drugs

Time: 6479.4

so that then one can use those circuits

Time: 6481.57

without any need for chemical intervention.

Time: 6484.47

So despite any controversy that might be out there,

Time: 6487.15

I think it's fair to say that

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the consumption of omega-3 fatty acids

Time: 6492.26

can positively modulate

Time: 6494.22

the systems for attention and focus.

Time: 6496.65

So then the question becomes how much EPA,

Time: 6500.53

how much DHA does that differ for,

Time: 6503.29

what's helpful for depression, et cetera

Time: 6505.81

and actually it does differ

Time: 6507.9

in reviewing the studies for this

Time: 6509.32

it appears that a threshold level of 300 milligrams of DHA

Time: 6514.29

turns out to be an important inflection point.

Time: 6517.2

So typically fish oils or other sources of omega-3s

Time: 6521.098

will have DHA and EPA

Time: 6523.95

and typically it's the EPA

Time: 6525.86

that's harder to get at sufficient levels,

Time: 6528.17

meaning you have to take quite a lot of fish oil

Time: 6530.15

in order to get above that 1000 milligram

Time: 6532.38

or 2000 milligram threshold to improve mood

Time: 6535.73

and other functions.

Time: 6536.68

But for sake of attention,

Time: 6539.28

there are 10 studies that have explored this in detail

Time: 6542.4

and while the EPA component is important,

Time: 6545.44

the most convincing studies point to the fact that getting

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above 300 milligrams per day of DHA is really where you

Time: 6552.493

start to see the attentional effects.

Time: 6554.29

Now, fortunately, if you're getting sufficient EPA

Time: 6556.5

for sake of mood and other biological functions,

Time: 6560.43

almost without question,

Time: 6562.61

you're getting 300 milligrams or more of DHA.

Time: 6565.24

So that usually checks that box just fine.

Time: 6567.84

What's interesting is that there's another compound

Time: 6570.08

phosphatidylserine that has been explored for its capacity

Time: 6575.12

to improve the symptoms of ADHD.

Time: 6577.68

Again, I don't think this is any direct way,

Time: 6579.74

but rather in a modulatory way,

Time: 6581.88

but it appears that phosphatidylserine

Time: 6584.76

taken for two months for 200 milligrams per day,

Time: 6589.69

was able to reduce the symptoms of ADHD in children.

Time: 6592.98

It has not been looked at in adults yet as,

Time: 6595.43

at least as far as I know,

Time: 6597.27

but that this effect was greatly enhanced

Time: 6600.61

by the consumption of omega-3 fatty acids.

Time: 6603.57

So now we're starting to see synergistic effects

Time: 6605.71

of omega-3 fatty acids and phosphatidylserine

Time: 6608.93

again that was 200 milligrams per day.

Time: 6611.21

This is something that sold

Time: 6612.28

over the counter in capsule form, at least in the U.S.

Time: 6615.25

there were two studies,

Time: 6616.49

both were double-blind studies.

Time: 6618.31

I carried out for anywhere from one to six months on both

Time: 6621.87

boys and girls and it really was boys and girls,

Time: 6623.78

not men and women.

Time: 6624.79

This was kids age one to six or seven to 12,

Time: 6628.86

and it was a fairly large number of subjects.

Time: 6632.16

So 147 subjects in one case in 36 in the other,

Time: 6635.57

the takeaway is that getting sufficient levels of EPA

Time: 6639.28

and particularly there's 300 milligram threshold of DHA,

Time: 6642.81

plus, if you are interested in it and it's right for you,

Time: 6646.76

200 milligrams of phosphatidylserine

Time: 6648.97

can be an important augment

Time: 6650.44

for improving the symptoms of ADHD.

Time: 6653.51

You'll also find literature out there

Time: 6655.4

and many claims about so-called Ginkgo Biloba,

Time: 6659.29

which has been shown to have minor effects

Time: 6661.81

in improving the symptoms of ADHD,

Time: 6664.08

not nearly as effective as Ritalin and Adderall.

Time: 6668.881

Ginkgo Biloba is not appropriate for many people.

Time: 6672.49

I am one such person, I don't have ADHD,

Time: 6675.49

but when I'd taken Gingko, even at very low doses,

Time: 6679.33

I get absolutely splitting headaches.

Time: 6681.69

Some people do not experience those headaches,

Time: 6683.44

but it's known to have very potent vasoconstrictive

Time: 6685.793

and vasodilating properties that vary depending on

Time: 6689.88

when you took the compound.

Time: 6692

So for those of you that are exploring Ginkgo Biloba,

Time: 6695.77

and you will see a lot of claims about Ginkgo Biloba

Time: 6698.06

for attention in ADHD definitely take the vasodilation

Time: 6701.784

vasoconstriction headache issue into consideration.

Time: 6706.03

So I'd like to talk about the drug Modafinil

Time: 6708.46

and the closely related drug armodafinil

Time: 6710.95

that's AR Modafinil.

Time: 6713.15

Because Modafinil and armodafinil

Time: 6715.53

are gaining popularity out there,

Time: 6717.37

both for treatment of ADHD and narcolepsy,

Time: 6720.3

but also for communities of people

Time: 6723.81

that are trying to stay awake long periods of time.

Time: 6725.95

So it's actively used in the military by first responders,

Time: 6730.03

it's gaining popularity on college campuses

Time: 6733.14

and people are using it more and more as an alternative

Time: 6735.48

to Adderall and Ritalin and excessive amounts of coffee.

Time: 6740.65

It does increase focus and to a dramatic extent,

Time: 6744.52

Modafinil typically was very expensive,

Time: 6748.24

I don't know if it's still this expensive,

Time: 6750.12

but when one has a prescription for it,

Time: 6752.59

it could still cost as much as eight or $900

Time: 6755.62

even $1000 a month.

Time: 6757.894

Armodafinil is a far less expensive version,

Time: 6761.98

that's chemically slightly different than Modafinil.

Time: 6764.94

Regardless of price

Time: 6765.88

people are taking Modafinil and armodafinil.

Time: 6768.635

Want to emphasize that unlike Ritalin and Adderall,

Time: 6772.55

Modafinil and armodafinil are weak dopamine

Time: 6776.33

re-uptake inhibitors,

Time: 6777.78

and that's how they lead to increases in dopamine.

Time: 6780.15

So, whereas Ritalin and Adderall, amphetamine,

Time: 6782.61

and cocaine lead to big increases in dopamine

Time: 6785.34

also through re-uptake mechanisms and so forth

Time: 6787.91

Modafinil is a weaker dopamine re-uptake stimulator

Time: 6792.83

and so what that means is that it leaves

Time: 6795.15

more dopamine around to be active at the synopsis,

Time: 6797.75

the gaps between neurons,

Time: 6799.91

however, it also activates other systems.

Time: 6802.09

It acts on the orexin system,

Time: 6804.28

which is actually a peptide that we talked about

Time: 6806.43

in the episode on hunger,

Time: 6808.45

because it regulates hunger and appetite,

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and it regulates sleepiness and feelings of sleepiness.

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In fact, the, excuse me, orexin

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also called hypocretin system,

Time: 6817.74

the orexin hypocretin system

Time: 6819.36

is what's disrupted in narcolepsy.

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That was the important discovery of my colleagues,

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Emmanuel Mignot and Seiji Nishino

Time: 6826.63

at Stanford some years ago,

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they identified the biological basis of narcolepsy

Time: 6830.99

and it's a disruption in the so orexin hypocretin system

Time: 6834.84

and Modafinil is one of the

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primary treatments for narcolepsy.

Time: 6838.14

It also has these other effects on the dopamine system

Time: 6841.64

and on the norepinephrine system,

Time: 6843.93

even though it doesn't lead to quite as intense levels

Time: 6848.5

of dopamine and arousal and focus,

Time: 6851.38

it does have the property of raising levels of attention

Time: 6854.027

and focus, and that's why people are using it.

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So it's a somewhat milder form of Adderall.

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Armodafinil for some people works as well as Modafinil

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and as I mentioned before,

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it's much lower cost for other people it doesn't.

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I have an experience,

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meaning I do have an experience

Time: 6870.32

that I'll share with you with armodafinil.

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A few years ago,

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I was suffering from jet lag, really terribly

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and I was traveling overseas.

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I went to a meeting to give a talk,

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I took half of the prescribed dose of armodafinil.

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It was prescribed to me.

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I took that half dose and I gave my lecture

Time: 6891.25

and then I stayed around to answer questions

Time: 6893.17

and then four hours later,

Time: 6896.09

a friend of mine came up to me and said,

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you've been talking for four and a half hours,

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and they're only a few people still here.

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Luckily there were still a few people be a lot weirder,

Time: 6905.67

if the room was completely empty,

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'cause it wasn't being recorded.

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So I have firsthand knowledge

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of the sorts of cognitive effects that it can create.

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I personally would not want to be in that state

Time: 6916.49

for sake of studying or learning

Time: 6918.16

or for doing this podcast, for instance

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and I can honestly say that today,

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all I've adjusted is some coffee

Time: 6925.58

and some Yerba latte tea and some water.

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I'm not on any of the compounds that I've described during

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the course of today's episode.

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You might ask why I took half the recommended dose

Time: 6936.1

of armodafinil and the reason is that I'm somebody who's

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fairly hypersensitive to medication of any kind,

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what you find if you look in the literature,

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is that about 5% of people

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are hyper hyper sensitive to medication.

Time: 6950.86

They require far lower doses of any medication

Time: 6953.93

than other people in order to experience the same effects.

Time: 6956.59

I'm somebody that I think has,

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or modest a hyper if that sort of oxymoronic statement,

Time: 6962.15

but a modest hypersensitivity to medication.

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So I've almost always been able to get by,

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on taking less of whatever was prescribed for me

Time: 6970.9

and feel just fine

Time: 6971.92

or in this case to feel like it was still too much,

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it turned out that the right dose of armodafinil for me

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was zero milligrams.

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Now you may notice that

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I haven't talked much about acetylcholine.

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Acetylcholine is a neurotransmitter

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that at the neuron to muscle connections,

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the so called neuromuscular junctions

Time: 6988.88

is involved in generating muscular contractions

Time: 6990.88

of all kinds for all movements.

Time: 6994.12

Acetylcholine is also released from two sites in the brain.

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So a little bit of nomenclature here again,

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feel free to ignore the nomenclature,

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but there is a collection of neurons in your brain stem

Time: 7003.72

that send projections forward,

Time: 7005.1

kind of like a sprinkler system

Time: 7006.6

that's very diffuse to release acetylcholine

Time: 7010.06

and those neurons reside in an area or a structure

Time: 7013.68

that's called the pedunculopontine nucleus, the PPN

Time: 7017.26

and then there's a separate collection of neurons

Time: 7019.38

in the basal forebrain called

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unimaginatively nucleus basalis the nucleus at the base

Time: 7025.75

and they also hose the brain with acetylcholine,

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but in a much more specific way.

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So one is sort of like a sprinkler system

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and the other one is more like a fire hose

Time: 7035.43

to a particular location

Time: 7036.51

and those two sources of acetylcholine,

Time: 7039.96

collaborate to activate particular locations in the brain,

Time: 7043.81

and really bring about a tremendous degree of focus

Time: 7046.54

to whatever is happening at those particular synapses.

Time: 7049.74

So it could be a focus on visual information

Time: 7052.02

or auditory information,

Time: 7053.23

if you're listening closely to what I'm saying right now,

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and you just heard closely

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step out from the rest of my sentence,

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no doubt there was acetylcholine

Time: 7061.31

released at the sites in your brain

Time: 7063.22

where the neurons that represent your recognition

Time: 7066.59

of the word closely occurred, okay?

Time: 7069.29

So now you have an example and you have an understanding

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and hopefully a picture in your mind

Time: 7072.53

of how all this is working,

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not surprisingly then drugs that increase cholinergic

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or acetycholine transmission

Time: 7079.845

will increase focus and cognition.

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One such compound is so-called alpha GPC,

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which is a form of choline and increases acetycholine

Time: 7089.97

transmission dosages as high as 1200 milligrams per day,

Time: 7094.66

which has a very high dosage spread out,

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typically it's 300 or 400 milligrams spread out

Time: 7099.61

throughout the day have been shown to offset

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some of the effects of age-related cognitive decline,

Time: 7106.26

improved cognitive functioning

Time: 7107.49

people that don't have age-related cognitive decline

Time: 7109.6

that's a very high dose.

Time: 7110.98

Typically when people are using alpha-GPC to study

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or to enhance learning of any kind,

Time: 7116.93

they will take somewhere between 300 and 600 milligrams

Time: 7120

that's more typical.

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Again, you have to check with your doctor,

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you have to decide if the safety margins

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are appropriate for you

Time: 7127.12

obviously you'll want to check that out,

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but alpha-GPC is effective in creating

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more focused by way of this cholinergic system,

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It stimulates acetylcholine release

Time: 7136.79

from both of those locations,

Time: 7138.94

the PPN in the back of the brain and nucleus basalis

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in the front of the brain.

Time: 7144.3

There are two other over the counter compounds

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that are in active use out there for treatment of ADHD

Time: 7151.56

and in use for simply trying to improve focus

Time: 7155.541

and the first one is L-Tyrosine

Time: 7157.66

it's an amino acid that acts as a precursor

Time: 7160.29

to the neuromodulator dopamine

Time: 7162.37

and now knowing everything you know about

Time: 7163.317

dopamine, attention and the circuits involved,

Time: 7165.82

it should come as no surprise as to why

Time: 7167.9

people are exploring the use of L-tyrosine for that purpose.

Time: 7171.31

L-tyrosine does lead to increases in dopamine.

Time: 7175.71

They are fairly long lived and L-tyrosine can improve

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one's ability to focus, however,

Time: 7182.87

the dosaging can be very tricky to dial in.

Time: 7186.11

Sometimes it makes people feel too euphoric

Time: 7188.75

or too jittery or too alert that they are then

Time: 7191.51

unable to focus well.

Time: 7192.957

So the dosage ranges are huge,

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you see evidence for 100 milligrams

Time: 7198.63

all the way up to 1200 milligrams.

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It's something that really

Time: 7201.733

should be approached with caution,

Time: 7202.75

especially for people that have any kind

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of underlying psychiatric or mood disorder,

Time: 7207.56

because dysregulation of the dopamine system is

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central to many of the mood disorders such as depression,

Time: 7215.42

but also especially mania bipolar disorder,

Time: 7219.08

schizophrenia, things of that sort.

Time: 7221.03

So it's something that really should be approached

Time: 7222.68

with caution, nonetheless, in exploring what's out there

Time: 7225.97

and even some studies online

Time: 7228.918

that were done in either animal studies or human studies,

Time: 7232.55

it's clear that L-tyrosine is being explored for that

Time: 7235.91

purpose as is PEA and Phenethylamine,

Time: 7239.41

which is a essentially PEA, but some related compounds.

Time: 7243.91

So there's a whole class of dopaminergic

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or dopamine stimulating supplements

Time: 7248.8

that people are using to try

Time: 7249.74

and get their dopamine levels up and again,

Time: 7252.06

it's kind of a fine line between too little enough

Time: 7256.51

and too much.

Time: 7257.42

If you want to get the literature on

Time: 7259.61

those two compounds there, I will refer you to

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this great website at examine.com just as it sounds

Time: 7267.11

and you can put in L-tyrosine or PEA,

Time: 7269.8

and you can get the details on that.

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But I highly recommend also going to their section on ADHD

Time: 7274.68

to see how those particular comment OENs relate specifically

Time: 7277.8

to ADHD and cognitive focus.

Time: 7280.95

And last but not least

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in terms of these different compounds,

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I do want to mention the Racetams.

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These are somewhat esoteric

Time: 7290.4

and probably most of you haven't heard about them,

Time: 7292.64

but some of you probably know a lot about them

Time: 7295.37

and they are becoming more popular.

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They go by names like New pepped and things of that sort.

Time: 7300.65

The Racetams. are illegal in certain countries.

Time: 7303.8

They are gray market in other countries,

Time: 7305.7

and they are sold over the counter in this country,

Time: 7308.93

in the U.S. so they have different margins for safety

Time: 7314.32

you definitely need to consult your doctor,

Time: 7316.55

especially if you have ADHD,

Time: 7318.66

but new pepped has been shown when taken,

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at 10 milligrams, twice daily can be more effective

Time: 7326.01

than some of the other Racetams.

Time: 7327.83

What is Noopept? Noopept taps into the cholinergic system,

Time: 7331.01

the acetylcholine system in ways, very similar to alpha-GPC,

Time: 7334.76

but seems to have a slightly higher affinity for some of the

Time: 7338.35

receptors involved and can lead to those heightened states

Time: 7342

of cognitive capacity

Time: 7343.1

and there are these studies one in particular,

Time: 7346.069

comparative studies of new pepped,

Time: 7348.04

Racetams in the treatment of patients

Time: 7349.41

with mild cognitive disorders

Time: 7351.315

and brain diseases of vascular and traumatic origin.

Time: 7354.34

That's a mouthful.

Time: 7355.19

What this study basically points to

Time: 7357.55

is the fact that people who are experiencing some degree

Time: 7360.82

of inability to focus due to prior concussion

Time: 7364.15

or some vascular event, a stroke or a schemey of any kind,

Time: 7367.84

because neurons need blood,

Time: 7369.1

when the blood supply is cut off to neurons,

Time: 7370.95

or when there's a bleed in the brain.

Time: 7372.8

Subsequent to that, often

Time: 7374.81

there are challenges in maintaining focus.

Time: 7376.76

This is very common for people who have done sports,

Time: 7379.12

where there's a lot of running into each other

Time: 7380.65

with your head like rugby football, hockey, and so forth,

Time: 7384.36

but also people who have experienced head blows

Time: 7386.15

or often overlooked is the fact that

Time: 7388.46

most traumatic head injury is not actually from sports,

Time: 7391.41

even football it's from things like construction work

Time: 7394.13

from high-impact work of that kind.

Time: 7396.64

So there does seem to be some efficacy

Time: 7398.56

of new Pepped and Racetams. and things like it.

Time: 7402.62

It's an emerging area and as I mentioned in the U.S.

Time: 7405.53

these things are sold over the counter.

Time: 7407.37

Again, you have to figure out if it's right for you,

Time: 7409.66

but they are beginning to show some promise,

Time: 7412.9

and I'm intrigued by them because of the way

Time: 7415.67

that they tap into the cholinergic system,

Time: 7417.7

which is both directly involved in focus,

Time: 7420.397

and the ability to focus,

Time: 7422.43

but is also important for things related

Time: 7425.79

to age-related cognitive decline.

Time: 7427.67

So a decline in cholinergic transmission or acetylcholine

Time: 7431.32

as we call it in the brain is one of the things

Time: 7434.32

associated with cognitive decline

Time: 7435.297

and it does seem that increasing cholinergic transmission

Time: 7438.4

can offset some of that cognitive decline

Time: 7440.42

and perhaps even more so in conditions

Time: 7443.28

such as vascular damage or concussion to the brain.

Time: 7446.31

If you're interested in atypical treatments for ADHD

Time: 7450.86

compounds or improve focus and related themes,

Time: 7453.32

and you like reading about this stuff,

Time: 7454.96

there's an excellent review article

Time: 7456.52

that I can refer you to it's

Time: 7458.22

by Ahn et al, AHN it was published in 2016

Time: 7462.6

so it's a little bit behind the times,

Time: 7465.647

although it's surprisingly comprehensive given that,

Time: 7467.71

which lines up all the various drugs that I've discussed,

Time: 7472.55

Racetams., and Adderall and Ritalin,

Time: 7474.59

and various forms of dopaminergic agents

Time: 7478.12

and cholinergic agents spells out whether or not

Time: 7480.64

they are sold over the counter by prescription,

Time: 7483.36

and really lines them up in all their effects,

Time: 7485.23

their drawbacks, et cetera.

Time: 7488.16

I'll refer you to that study.

Time: 7489.4

It's available in its full length form online for free

Time: 7492.414

it's Hen et al the journal is neuro plasticity,

Time: 7496.64

neural plasticity, 2016

Time: 7498.95

should be very easy to find if you put those keywords in,

Time: 7501.43

and while it is a review,

Time: 7502.68

it is a very comprehensive review

Time: 7504.41

and if you're really into this stuff,

Time: 7506.12

and you also want to learn a thing or two about

Time: 7508.65

how these things interact with neurofeedback, et cetera,

Time: 7511.48

there's some information in there as well.

Time: 7513.47

I know I've already covered a lot of information,

Time: 7515.57

but there is one more category of technology

Time: 7518.52

for the treatment of ADHD and for enhancement of focus

Time: 7522.56

in anyone that I would like to emphasize

Time: 7526.03

and that's transcranial magnetic stimulation.

Time: 7528.92

Transcranial magnetic stimulation also called TMS

Time: 7531.98

is achieving increasing popularity nowadays

Time: 7534.62

for the treatment of all sorts of neurologic conditions

Time: 7538.41

and psychiatric conditions.

Time: 7540.2

It is a non-invasive tool,

Time: 7541.85

it involves taking a coil it's a device with a coil

Time: 7545.52

that's placed over particular locations in the brain,

Time: 7548.97

and then sends magnetic stimulation into the brain

Time: 7553.22

and it can actually pass through the skull

Time: 7554.57

without having to drill through the skull

Time: 7556.55

and nowadays can be used to both

Time: 7559.19

lower the amount of activity

Time: 7560.87

or increase the amount of activity

Time: 7562.55

in specific brain areas.

Time: 7564.74

It's spatial, precision is not remarkable.

Time: 7569.84

That doesn't mean it's not of use,

Time: 7571.2

but it is not a super fine green tool, okay?

Time: 7576.24

It's not a canon, but it's also not a needle.

Time: 7579.46

It is somewhere in between.

Time: 7581.2

It can direct the activity of particular brain regions

Time: 7583.85

at particular depths and as I mentioned,

Time: 7586.45

it can increase or decrease that activity.

Time: 7588.45

So for instance,

Time: 7589.49

I've had a TMS coil placed on my head,

Time: 7591.16

not for therapeutic purposes, even it was,

Time: 7593.93

I wouldn't tell you, but rather just for,

Time: 7596.64

well, I'm a neuroscientist

Time: 7597.99

and I worked in a lab with one for entertainment,

Time: 7600.24

exploratory purposes, please don't do this at home.

Time: 7604.12

It was placed over my motor cortex,

Time: 7606.75

which generates voluntary action

Time: 7609.26

and it was a coil that at that time

Time: 7612.23

could only inhibit neurons

Time: 7614.11

and so what I was doing as I was moving objects

Time: 7616.67

around on a table, just like I am now,

Time: 7618.47

it was actually a pencil, not a pen

Time: 7620.33

and I was tapping the pencil

Time: 7621.98

and then the TMS coil was turned on and for the life of me,

Time: 7625.4

I could not move that pencil, okay?

Time: 7628.57

Because it was inhibiting my upper motor neurons

Time: 7631.51

in the portion of my cortex

Time: 7632.97

that controls voluntary activity.

Time: 7635.59

As soon as the coil was turned off,

Time: 7636.96

I could return to tapping the pencil again,

Time: 7639.94

nowadays it's possible to stimulate motor cortex

Time: 7643.18

or any area of the brain with some degree of precision

Time: 7646.18

that could create the impulse to move

Time: 7649.55

without actually making the decision to move.

Time: 7651.69

So you can literally engage certain neural circuits

Time: 7654.81

and therefore behaviors and certain thought

Time: 7656.86

and emotional patterns

Time: 7658

by way of transcranial magnetic stimulation.

Time: 7660.436

This has far reaching and vast implications,

Time: 7663.85

as you can probably imagine

Time: 7667.01

in discussing ADHD with a colleague that uses TMS,

Time: 7670.75

what they are doing is they are taking the TMS coil

Time: 7675.4

to children and adults that have ADHD,

Time: 7679.27

and they're using it to stimulate the portions

Time: 7681.95

of the prefrontal cortex that we talked about earlier

Time: 7684.75

that engage task directed focused states.

Time: 7688.62

So rather than using a drug

Time: 7689.96

that generally increases dopamine,

Time: 7691.247

and some of the other chemicals involved

Time: 7693.12

there you using directed TMS stimulation of the circuits

Time: 7697.31

and fortunately, I was quite relieved to hear this,

Time: 7700.49

they are combining that with a focused learning task.

Time: 7704.06

So they're literally teaching the brain to learn

Time: 7705.94

in a noninvasive way, no drug at all

Time: 7708.81

and right now there are experiments clinical trials

Time: 7711.59

going on, comparing TMS of this sort

Time: 7714.11

to the drug treatments of the sort that we described earlier

Time: 7717.57

that engaged these circuits

Time: 7718.69

through pharmacologic mechanisms.

Time: 7720.16

So very exciting times for TMS,

Time: 7722.719

very exciting times for pharmacology related to ADHD

Time: 7728.06

and for enhancing focus in general

Time: 7729.75

and when I say very exciting times,

Time: 7731.58

I mean, no drug is perfect,

Time: 7733.46

but the constellation of drugs that's out there

Time: 7737.25

is getting much larger,

Time: 7738.92

but because they tap into different aspects

Time: 7741.32

of their circuitry,

Time: 7742.153

I do think that we are well on our way

Time: 7744.06

to identifying the ideal combinations of drug treatments,

Time: 7746.87

technological treatments,

Time: 7748.01

and behavioral paradigms for increasing focus in both

Time: 7751.36

children and adults with ADHD.

Time: 7754.13

And as a final final point,

Time: 7756.65

I also want to mention something about technologies

Time: 7758.98

that are making it harder for all of us to focus,

Time: 7762.14

regardless of whether or not

Time: 7763.24

we have pre-existing ADHD or not.

Time: 7765.36

You can probably guess where this is going.

Time: 7768.8

Everybody nowadays seems to have a smartphone.

Time: 7771.18

I'm sure there are a few individuals out there

Time: 7773.25

that don't have a smartphone.

Time: 7775.54

Nonetheless, most people have them.

Time: 7777.16

Most kids want one, as soon as they can get them

Time: 7780.09

and they are small, they grab our attention entirely.

Time: 7785.91

But within that small box of attention,

Time: 7788.56

there are millions of attentional windows

Time: 7791.86

scrolling by, right?

Time: 7793.16

So just because it's one device that we look at

Time: 7795.17

does not mean that we are focused,

Time: 7796.8

we are focused on our phone,

Time: 7798.63

but because of the way,

Time: 7800

in which context switches up so fast within the phone,

Time: 7803.4

it's thought that the brain is struggling now

Time: 7806.43

to leave that rapid turnover of context, right?

Time: 7809.54

Many, many shows, many, many Instagram pages,

Time: 7812.19

many, many Twitter feeds many, many websites.

Time: 7814.23

Basically the whole world,

Time: 7816.5

at least in virtual format is available

Time: 7818.5

within that small box.

Time: 7820.16

Unlike any other technology

Time: 7821.59

humans have ever dealt with before,

Time: 7823.12

even though there are trillions

Time: 7825.37

infinite number of bits of information

Time: 7827.15

in the actual physical world,

Time: 7829.28

your attentional window,

Time: 7830.53

that aperture of constriction

Time: 7832.74

and dilating that visual window

Time: 7834.91

is the way in which you cope with all that

Time: 7836.62

overwhelming information typically.

Time: 7839.14

Well within the phone,

Time: 7840.64

your visual aperture is set to a given width

Time: 7844.01

it's about this big,

Time: 7845.04

typically the phone seem to be getting bigger,

Time: 7846.74

but nonetheless, it's about that big

Time: 7848.97

and within there,

Time: 7851.13

your attentional window is grabbing it near infinite

Time: 7854.6

number of bits of information, colors, movies.

Time: 7857.3

If a picture is worth 1000 words,

Time: 7859.12

a movie is worth a billion pictures,

Time: 7861.45

the brain loves visual motion

Time: 7863.54

and so the question is,

Time: 7867.04

does that sort of interaction on a regular basis

Time: 7869.38

lead to deficits in the types of attention

Time: 7872.01

that we need in order to perform well

Time: 7873.61

in work, in school, relationships, et cetera

Time: 7875.69

and the short answer is yes, it does appear so

Time: 7879.2

we are inducing a sort of ADHD

Time: 7882.17

and while the studies on this are ongoing because prominent

Time: 7885.12

use of smartphones really took off right around 2010

Time: 7887.93

and we're only in 2021 longstanding studies take time,

Time: 7893.56

which is essentially to say the same thing as long standing.

Time: 7896.91

There are some studies and one in particular

Time: 7899.1

that I'd like to highlight

Time: 7899.933

one was actually carried out pretty early in 2014.

Time: 7902.9

This is a study that explored smartphone use

Time: 7906.08

at the time they called it mobile phone use,

Time: 7907.97

but smartphone use and inattention,

Time: 7910.67

difficulties in attending in 7,102 adolescents

Time: 7916.94

that's a huge study,

Time: 7918.02

a population based cross-sectional study

Time: 7921.3

and you will be probably surprised and somewhat dismayed

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to hear that in order to avoid this decrease

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in attentional capacity,

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adolescents needed to use their smartphone

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for less than 60 minutes per day,

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in order to stay focused and centered on their other tasks.

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Otherwise they started to really run

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into significant issues.

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So 60 minutes is not much,

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I've a feeling that most young people

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are using their phone more than 60 minutes per day,

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I know I am.

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I think for adults,

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the number's probably higher meaning if you're an adult,

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I'm going to just extrapolate from what I read in this study.

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It seems that probably two hours a day on the phone

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would be the upper limit beyond which

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you would probably experience

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pretty severe attentional deficits.

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I'm a big fan of Cal Newport who wrote the book "Deep work."

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He's also written an excellent book,

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"A world without Email."

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I've never met him, but I'm a huge admirer of his work

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and I will paraphrase something that he said

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far more eloquently than I ever could,

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which is that the brain does not do well with constant

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context switching, meaning it can do it,

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but it diminishes our capacity to do meaningful work

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of any other kind.

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And so Cal, as I understand is very

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he's our computer science professor

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at Georgetown, by the way,

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is very structured and very disciplined

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in his avoidance of cell phone use.

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I think we're all striving to do that.

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I'm not here to tell you what to do,

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but I think whether or not you have ADHD or not,

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if you're an adolescent limiting your smartphone use

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to 60 minutes per day or less

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and if you are an adult to two hours per day or less

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is going to be among the very best ways to maintain,

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just to maintain your ability to focus

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at whatever level you can now and as I always say,

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most of the things that we get recognized

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for in life success in life, in every endeavor,

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whether or not it's school relationships, sport,

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creative works of any kind are always proportional

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to the amount of focus that we can bring that activity.

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It is important to rest of course, to get proper sleep.

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But I stand behind that statement

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and I leave you with that study about attention

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and cell phones and how cell phones are indeed eroding

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our attentional capacities.

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So I realized I covered a lot of information about ADHD

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and the biology of focus and how to get better at focusing.

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We talked about the behavioral

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and psychological phenotypes of ADHD.

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We talked about the underlying neural circuitry.

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We also talked about the neurochemistry

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and we talked about the various prescription

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drug treatments that are aimed at that neurochemistry

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and aimed at increasing focus in children

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and adults with ADHD.

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We also talked about over the counter compounds,

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the role of particular types of diets and elimination diets

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and we talked about interactions between these various

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features in dictating outcomes for ADHD

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and enhancing focus in general,

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we also talked a little bit about emerging neurotechnologies

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and how certain technologies like the smartphone

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are no doubt hindering our ability to focus

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and put us at greater risk of developing ADHD at all ages.

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I do acknowledge the irony and somewhat the contradiction

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of doing a two hour plus episode on ADHD

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If indeed, people who are watching this

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have challenges with attention,

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I want to emphasize that this podcast,

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like all of our podcast episodes

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are timestamped for a specific reason.

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They are designed to be digested

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in whatever batch one chooses, right?

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You don't have to watch or listen to the entire thing

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all at once however,

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if you've gotten to this point in the podcast,

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I want to thank you.

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I do hope that you've learned a lot about this condition.

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I hope you've also learned a lot

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about your own capacity to focus

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and things that you can do to enhance your focus.

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We even talked about a tool that takes just

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one 17 minute session to enhance your ability to focus

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thereafter, presumably forever.

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